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per gallon?

gasprices high????
lol you americans dont know how good you have it. We pay 1,8 us dollars per LITER of benzine. I think a gallon is what you calculate in, and I thought a gallon was 3.8 liters, so that would be 6 dollar and 84 cents per gallon.... what do you pay?

But the example you used is not really valid I think. I use drugs and drink alot especially at party's, but it has nothing to do with being part of the group. I really only use it because I want to and because it gives flavour to the party. if I dont feel like doing drugs I dont.

At 7/2/06 11:40 PM, -Rainmaker- wrote:

My dad is also a Vietnam Veteran, he never did have "mental" problems,

How do you know? maybe he has trouble sleeping at night or maybe he has nightmares every night he is just hiding it, but then again I dont know your dad

well I am a psycho then

At 7/2/06 03:49 PM, FightingForFreedom wrote:

I The United Nations is also full of corruption and scandals. In addition, the United Nations does not take a firm stance against terrorism or oppression. Nor does the United Nations perform its chief task of marinating global peace. Lastly, the United Nations does not respect national sovereignty or international law. Therefore, it is necessary that the United States separate itself from the United Nations.

I am sorry I didnt read your entire post I am 2 tired, but the conclusion is kinda weird.. the UN is corrupt?? really?? how so??
and yes they are not as aggresive as america but thats a GOOD thing, war is a BAD thing.
and about the sovereignty or international law, I think your very wrong with that it is the US that doesnt respect these things

The Official Bush Topic

how did you look anyway

fun I finished the game though it was pretty hard and I didnt had time to do lvl 2

whats a subway?

At 6/28/06 11:33 AM, nationOrange wrote: - If someone had access to your computer what would they find?? If this was true in real life, I :would never get laid.

Because??

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At 6/26/06 08:26 PM, WadeFulp wrote:

Thanks. We have some real dumb asses using these forums, but we already knew that didn't :we? :)

You are kinda NOT a very nice person.. why are you so aggresive on this subject?
Oh and its kinda gay to debate like this while regular users can only post 4 times in a half an hour and you can post as much as you want.

Whats wrong with you?

What I mean to say is: I do believe its a plane BUT your perception on the photo's are insane

OMFG they let the three disappear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
! maybe it was a bomb and people would see tha three and thing how come a three would still be unharmed if a freakin plane crashed the spot

I mean I can do this shit to wade!!

Well I guess it was a plane, but your photos are not really confincing...

-I dont see the wing marks you so clearly made red ??? wtf do you see there?
-your image of the plane on scale... well dont tell me thats a boeing.
-your pile of rubbel really REALLY doesnt show plane wreckage

but I think it was a plane.

ok I believ you, I was just wondering

Ok I am really not a big fan of conspiracy theories etc. but this story was kinda well set up. I allready saw the footage of the plane crashing into the pentagon, and I found that it was of a very bad quality. I thought it was strange not more footage was made, then I found THIS short clip.

any thoughts?? or is this just BS

At 6/20/06 07:55 PM, DarthTomato wrote:

you DO realize that guns aren't the only deadly weapons on earth, right? It's just the :easiest to use.

I do whats your point, you think killing rate will not drop when people use knifes to kill?? I think not. A gun is only made to kill

well if you stop eating fat I can surely promise you you will lose weight

you may lose some weight but you will STILL be unhealthy.

lol you totally altered your own metafore

the words of a person who wants to ban guns. and there should be SOME standard of :decency. you wanna cry about crime? who commits crime? the immoral, the ignorant, and :the insane. your arguement is as weak as it is silly. if a person doesn't have morals, then :he will commit crimes, with or without guns, having a gun just makes it that much easier. :take away their guns and they will turn to another weapon, perhaps a bow or a crossbow, :or maybe even a slingshot. you can kill someone with a simple $5 slingshot from a sporting :goods store.

Ok so this is extually what you are saying, but you are pretty sure on this subject, why? OFCOURSE killing rate will drop if you bann guns its not really a question. people will also like you said get other weapons, but the getting caught rate will be much higher and murdering will be less attractive for someone to do, why is this so hard to see??

you should learn to think for yourself. you hear your favorite politicians' speeches and act :like god himself is speaking to you. Sure the swiss men are all part of the military and they :have standard issue guns with 24 standard issue bullets. and the situation in america vs :switzerland not only CAN be compared they SHOULD be compared.

Whats that all about me listening to my favorite politicians??? I dont get that..WTF are you talkin about?
but whatever, I have read your bbc article, and indeed when you read it it sounds comparable, but its not. I have, believe it or not, some relatives in swiss and I come there often. It is not to compare with america for the regulations are so stricked. in america it is not. to add the fact that swiss can handle this is good for them america cant so you can still bann it.

No, i'm NOT saying america is as good as switzerland, its the opposite. Switzerland should :serve as a model for the rest of the world. its not what they HAVE, its what they DON'T have, :like, moral decay, and a dead culture. culture in america is as dead as the monitor you're :staring at. it may have lots of pretty colors and its flashy and nice, but.. ITS DEAD!

I agree

:there is no life in american culture. and its getting WORSE.

America never had a real culture you are to young

:instead of trying to snatch away law biding citizens weapons, try spreading morals and put :a stop to the depravity that has swept most of the industrialized world. Prove me wrong. :Prove to me that teaching morals won't help a thing. Prove to me that cracking down on :drug dealers, stopping the :importation of narcotics, and limiting profanity in music won't :change a thing. Sure, you're probably gonna call me a Facist and a Hitler, but you know. if :the morals america once might have had didn't go down the toilet, then things would be a :lot better off, and banning guns will only make a minor improvement.

Ok so now you suddenly swich over to morals, its ok with me, its a good thing to better morals, but wouldnt it be a great idea to combine this with a gun bann?? I see it as a moral standard not to be allowed to have a thing made for killing people!
and about the music thing thats fuckin retarded, you wanna bann heavy metal first and bann guns later??? thats like totally insane maaannn

Lemme guess, you're gonna point to japan and say, "They have no guns, and they're doing :great!"

Again WTF ya talkin 'bout????

yeah i know it's ironic that i would be referring to a link from the BBC... but still... read it. it :proves you wrong on several things.

well it really didnt.

here ya go

facism is not the same as dicatorship.

At 6/22/06 05:40 PM, jlwelch wrote:

That said, I will agree that it is fruitless to argue about this as we are both unyielding, but I would highly reccommend that you actually visit our country before making such a stance. It seems pretty clear that the rest of the people on this forum agree with me and for someone who stated that "the wife of Clinton" was a president and described our police as "trigger happy cowboys" I think you really know nothing of the US other than what you have seen in these conspiracy theories. In short, don't put such an extreme viewpoint on the US until you have actually visited it and actually considered world politics in her shoes.

I visited the US twice and will be there next year again... I didnt mean that hillary was president, but she will be running for it and has a very good chance winning it. I know pretty much about american politics, probably more then alot of americans themselves. not everyone is agreeing with you, thats just a weak thing to say, and even if it where true it would still mean nothing.
Its btw not an opinion from me alone, many highly educated people, from abroad or americans themselves recognize these problems only most of them wont make a direct link with facism. maybe they do think that, but are afraid to make such a bold statement.
I am not saying you are the new nazi germany, I am only saying that you do have some facistic features. it is stupid to always make a comparement with germany for they were extreme! the US is milder.
So I am sorry to say that I have a pretty good view on america and I am sorry that my opinion does not resemble yours. Why do you think america's popularity is lower then ever?

oh and if you want to know, i've been to: Colorado, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, California. did you see all those states?

I am not gonna argument all your points 'cause you didnt really change your statements (obviously) and I am not gonna reject them again with my same arguments like you just did, you just wrote it in a different line....
btw you selected small portions of my arguments to argue against, getting things out of context is not a very nice thing to do

At 6/22/06 02:10 PM, jlwelch wrote:

At 6/22/06 11:45 AM, jlwelch wrote:

14 POINTS OF FASCISM

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism

It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.

You are taking a good thing like patriotism and faith in one's country and distorting it into :something entirely different. Hell, John F. Kennedy himself even said "Ask not what your :country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." I agree wholeheartedly.

Dude the only thing I can say, this nationalism in germany was the main motor behind WWII.. and also against modern wars. But you as an american are to blind to see this

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights

The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite... Sounds familiar?? no?? Guantanamo bay??

:Second, Guantanamo Bay is a

prison for suspected terrorists and is absolutely necessary during our current times. You :can call this facist if you want, but considering how well the extremists have treated our :solders and civilians (reporters) who were captured, I would even vote in favor of the use of :torture to procure information. You do not pamper an enemy that beheads your fellow man. :If you think that is evidence of facism, then I advise you move your head to the side abit so :you can shove this up your ass as well.

hahaha my point precisely

A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when :domestic needs were acute... You dont get this point...

No I do get the point and I fully understand what you are trying to say. What I am saying is :that we give too much money away to welfare and unemployment as is when the job :section of the newspaper is still overflowing. You may think it is a disproportional amount :of money to put into the military, but that is your perogative, and considering current :events, it can be argued that it is necessary. Much of our troops are still occupying Iraq and :now Iran and North Korea have their own WMD program which is especially threatening to :the US, and as usual the UN would rather scratch their asses and write nasty letters than :do something about it because they know the US will eventually pay the expense to clean :up the mess. At least England and a few other countries had the decency to lend a helping :hand, but remember, America is not the world's maid.

So stop acting like one, and again it is just normal for you to give such a response you are the american.
And again you are arguing in a circel. It doesnt really matter if your army 'really' needs soo much money, it is the fact that you do and go to war that make you fall into the point that makes you a facistic country. Hitler needed to invest enormous amounts of money in his amry to. I hope you understand this.

Again with this "political elite" buisness. First of all, anti-abortion is a moral stance and one :that I happen to agree with.

And because of YOUR moral stance, some woman that really really really doesnt want a child 'cause it would FUCK up here whole life and she herself doesnt have any problem with abortion cant have one... that is really stupid and sooo yesterday

Second, it is ignorant to call everyone who opposes gay marraige as "homophobic". :Homophobic means to be afraid of them, and many stand against them because they still :hold some things sacred that society has yet to defile.

did I say that?? No! but this hanging on hanging on on things some hold sacred and which is also supported by the goverment is a phenomena in facism the subject of this text remember. I mean you can explain things why, but it doesnt make it not count.

7. Obsession with national security

Inevitably, a national security apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints.

Oh, right, it is oppressive and treasonous to defend your country and to make morally :difficult decisions whether to arrest a suspected terrorist etc... in order to try and prevent :another disaster. This is what you don't seem to get...national security IS an issue in this :country. It took Pearl Harbor to wake us up before and it took 9/11 to wake us up now.

This is an example of pulling my text out of context, but anyway once again you are just giving in that you excually agree with america being facistic. AGAIN it doesnt matter if you have a good reason to do it, the fact THAT you do it makes you facistic. funny guy

No they did not find WoMD maybe some rockets but so what??? foxnews just plainly LIES and so does your goverment

Again, do you have evidence? And if you actually read the link you would know that WMDs :were found, chemical weapons and so on. You are just too stubborn of a liberal or :antiAmerican to admit that the liberal hype that lasted for a year or more has suddenly :been undermined and thoroughly disproven.

this is stupid to discuss everyone knows america's attack on iraq was a major mistake, america is taking every oppurtunity to try to show it did had some use, but sorry the whole world knows you where wrong!

At 6/22/06 11:45 AM, jlwelch wrote:

8. Religion and ruling elite tied together

In the United States, the majority rules (that is how a democracy is run).
Because our president is christian it must therefore follow that the majority
of people (who bothered to vote) hold the same values. Thus, religion is not
a problem. "Ruling elite tied together"...WTF?!?!?! We live in a democracy, we
have no king and queen or whatever you mean by that.

Unlike communist regimes, the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elite’s behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that the ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the “godless.” A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite was tantamount to an attack on religion. you see the danger in that|??

9. Power of corporations protected

Let me guess. You are upset because we do not tax the corportations heavily
enough so that we can give the unemployed more free handouts. Well,
comrade, if it is socialism you want, hook up with a socialist nation. In America
you earn what you get. Or at least it used to work that way...before the days of
welfare and handouts.

I know to little on this but your response is stupid and not on the point

10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated

Ok...that makes no sense whatsoever. First of all, what do you mean by "Power
of labor"? If you mean worker's rights, there are already a number of unions
in place. Many of which spend more time trying to get more pay than actually
getting the job done.

Again I know to little on this subject in america

11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts

As a major of biochemistry who is specializing in NMR spectroscopy I have no
idea where you are getting this "disdain and suppression of intellectuals" from.
I don't know about the arts, but I do not recall ever having my work
suppressed by anyone.

Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.
As a major in biomedical science I know for a fact that research in america is heavily resticted, but if this has something to do with facism I dont know. BUT what about the censorship in micheal more and numerous other things

12. Obsession with crime and punishment

Every country has to deal with criminals. Blow it out your ass.

Most of these regimes maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse. “Normal” and political crime were often merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or “traitors” was often promoted among the population as an excuse for more police power.
Your country has the highest prisoner rate in the world, you are the only 1st world country that still allow death penalty and your police force are often trigger happy cowboys that can get away with it.

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption

Proof please?

ok

ofcourse this is just a stupid conspiracy site, but I think its likely in america. btw the fact that both bush senior and junior become the most inmportant man in the world is kinda funny aint it. and now the wife of clinton becomes president, wow that kinda a coinsidence(?). if you know the right people you can get the highest positions, that kinda corrupt to

14. Fraudulent elections

ROFL. LOLZORDS. You expect me to believe that US elections are
fraudulent without proposing any proof whatsoever? Come on...I may enjoy
reading sensible conspiracy theories now and then, but this is more ridiculous
than the founding of scientology! Well...maybe not that bad...but still pretty bad.

I agree I dont think america has suffered fraudulent elections YET! but still where there is smoke there is fire

The United States is nothing like Nazi Germany. I suggest you actually endeavor to read about the conditions of that period in history as you are clearly confused.

I disagree america is a facistic nation, not as bad as nazi germany but they where the most extreme version of it. I think america is rot

NOTE: The above 14 Points was written in 2004 by Dr. Laurence Britt, a political scientist. Dr. Britt studied the fascist regimes of: Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile).

Dude why are you flaming him, he is only showing the 14 points which makes a country a facistic state, he is not really arguing about the points. Some intelectual guy made those 14 points so its no use debating about it, did you even see the movie he linked to??

At 6/22/06 11:45 AM, jlwelch wrote:

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14 POINTS OF FASCISM

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism

Nationalism is a good thing and does not make one facist.

From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights

Ever hear of the constitution my uneducated friend? Unless you plan on
accusing the United States of having concentration camps or some other
ridiculous crap I don't understand how you can compare the human rights of
the United States with that of Nazi Germany.

The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation. Sounds familiar?? no?? Guantanamo bay??

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause

Perhaps you have not noticed, but Muslim extremists attacked the trade
center, terrorized London, and Osama Bin Laden now outright calls for jihad
on the US. With this in mind, Al Queda and Muslim extremists are not
scapegoats, they are descriptions of the suspect.

The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and “terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly. This america does not do yet on the scale of nazi germany but what about iraq, why again did bush attacked him, was it maybe because he needed someone to blame for 911?? and he couldnt find osama who had never been to iraq, so yes america fits in this point

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism

Again, we have been directly attacked, the first time we have been attacked on
our own soil since Pearl Harbor. I would expect our military to put up an
assertive front.

Ruling elites always identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite. You dont get this point, you can have a military but your nation is investing ENORMOUS amounts of money into this army, and there are alot of internal problems america should solve, so again america fits in this point like a glove.

5. Rampant sexism

Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses. well on this issue america is somewhat bettering themselves but things like gaymarriage etc are still a no no you are a very conservative nation quite gay

Not present in the United States. End.

6. A controlled mass media

With the exception of Fox, I would say most news reports are predominantly
liberal. If there is a controlled mass media, it is the liberals that run it, not our
current leadership.

Dude you dont know what your talkin about, america's news networks are sooo extremely subjective not normal, you should try europian news stations one time you will find it amazing (and boring) america's goverment has still alot of influence on these stations

7. Obsession with national security

Yes, how dare we worry about protecting ourselves. I mean, the Muslim
extremists have been known to terrorize our embassies in the past, they
recently attacked symbols of American development on our own soil, we have
confirmed WMD's in Iraq now (source below) and soon we will have to worry
about Kim Jung Ill's WMD program, and possibly Iran. You know, with all things
considered I think the United States has every right to be concerned about
national security.

Inevitably, a national security apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting “national security,” and questioning its activities was portrayed as unpatriotic or even treasonous.
No they did not find WoMD maybe some rockets but so what??? foxnews just plainly LIES and so does your goverment

to be continued

At 6/19/06 06:04 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote: Not going to happen. War between China and North Korea, maybe.

hmm maybe I missed something but as far i know china and north korea are doing just fine there closer to allies then enemies

At 6/20/06 09:22 PM, theradicalone wrote:

Lol, yeah It's kinda like a reflex or something, I guess people (or at least me) really hate being thought of as gay if they arn't.

your being thought of as gay (alot)?? thats fucked up

sorry for the quote stupidity

At 6/20/06 07:55 PM, DarthTomato wrote:

mm hmm, right. you know what? they tried this with narcotics, and yet, people are being busted with them on a DAILY BASIS! do you REALLY think banning guns is going to disarm criminals?

Yes ofcourse this happened in history so many times!

this is as stupid as saying "if i cut out this one thing from my diet I'll lose weight!" ok, and what about being more active? "not necessary!"

well if you stop eating fat I can surely promise you you will lose weight

how about, instead of banning guns we teach people some MORALS? this generation is screwed, but if we teach the children good morals instead of letting them fall into every fad that comes around, like Rap and dressing like a slut, then we might see some peace come to the world. banning something only makes people want it more.

So you want a nice facistic state where dresscodes are present and you cannot listen to the music you want... GOOD IDEA hitler wanted that to

oh and plz reply on my earlier post about how you where wrong on the swiss gun rules

At 6/21/06 04:17 AM, Athlas wrote:
(don't start about switzerland, it's been said a million times.
You can learn from Switzerland how gun restriction isn't necessairy, but it also shows how it's simply not working out in the US)

and I am saying a million times that you cannot compare swiss with the US it is sooooo different just uncomparable