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At 10/7/07 05:21 PM, jfella91 wrote:

yes agreed so god created us, he has a plan for us, but that still doesnt rule out the ability of free choice.

There, you agree that God created us and has a plan for us. Therefore, if we commit a sin, its part of God's plan for us

it can be, but doesnt have to be. free choice

We did the sin because it was in our nature to do it, we were too curious, mischievous, etc.

thats a well discussed topic, that is indeed how he supposivly made us, but including the free choice. And its up to us to make the right one. and christians believe that by following him, you will make the right choices, and if that fails you can always ask for forgiveness.

I've heard many times and I'm sure you have heard Christians say things along the lines of this as well: "Well, I guess he/she did it because it was all a part of God's plan.", however, the Bible says we go to hell for sinning.

I honestly never heard a christian says this(i dont like them) , but its irrelevant 'what people say'

If you agree that in Christianity God has a plan for us, then you must agree that we do certain actions, positive and negative, as part of God's plan. Therefore, you would logically agree that going to hell for sins wouldn't make sense and that that is a huge biblical contradiction (among many others) .

Yes, and also feel this is contradiciton, but again it so suceptible for interpretation. for example, god may 'write off' non-believers. He supposivly gives every person a relevation, if one does not react on that how would he still be a tool of god, for he has been given free choice.

the fact is that the whole static plan versus free choice in itself doesnt seem logical. I dont think christians think there lives are completely controlled by god, more steered, especially when you listen to him.
he has a plan for us, a plan is not an outcome.

you can raise a child with a plan, but succes is not certain.

At 10/7/07 05:12 PM, shadowchaotailsevil3 wrote: What kind of candy do you like to eat?

I like to chik-o-stik

Butterfingers
vannila flavored candy

shut fez.

/hyde

yeaah those silly monkeys

oh id like to add, that your initial interpretation (first post) is absolutly not mine when I read those bible passages. and i am an atheist even

At 10/7/07 04:36 PM, jfella91 wrote:

At 10/7/07 04:25 PM, Tomsan wrote:

At 10/7/07 04:20 PM, jfella91 wrote:

At 10/7/07 04:15 PM, Tomsan wrote: So you gave a wrong quote and you didnt disprove anything.

In case you didn't know, there are many, many different versions of the Bible.

ok just show me your source, and ill decide the credibility

http://www.cslewis.org/journal/?p=14&pag e=8

This is most definatly a bad source, for its a preach, so bad source, but also its a wrong chosen source by you.

your source:
You are not merely a pawn in a cosmic chess game between God and Satan. You can make choices. You can make choices to respond to God's call for significant service. As Ephesians 2:10 says, you are God's masterpiece, his work of art, "created in Christ Jesus to do good works which God prepared in advance for [you] to do"

So it says you can make youre own choices so its not all god, he can have a plan for you, but you still have a freemind, thats what your source says.

oh and this is not similar to your quote

http://www.cbn.com/family/datingsingles/

singles-happyforothers.aspx

again horrible source, and not with your quote, only a part of it.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:vx2 dB-q1A_0J:ftp.ac3inc.com/gbc/form_12/SGA .%2520email%2520version.doc+%22to+do+goo d+works,+which+God+prepared+in+advance+f or+%5Byou%5D+to+do.%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=
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couldnt get this workin

http://wrf.ca/comment/article.cfm?ID=235

just a little bar chattin, and I couldnt find your quote there

Do you remember your own quote? it was:

In fact, that's why you are who you are. He has made you unique. Your gifts, passions, abilities, personality, and experiences make you uniquely you. You are designed by God "to do good works, which God prepared in advance for [you] to do." (Ephesians 2:10)

totally different

All those pages, when speaking of that quote, say something along the lines of we were created in God's liking, or Jesus' liking.

yes agreed so god created us, he has a plan for us, but that still doesnt rule out the ability of free choice.

I would say end of discussion. that is why the who religion structure is almost untouchable.

welcome to the beautifull US of A where guns are like underwear, nearly everyone wears them, and no one is fond of taking them off (?!?!lozwtf)

At 10/7/07 04:20 PM, jfella91 wrote:

At 10/7/07 04:15 PM, Tomsan wrote: So you gave a wrong quote and you didnt disprove anything.

In case you didn't know, there are many, many different versions of the Bible.

ok just show me your source, and ill decide the credibility

At 10/7/07 04:03 PM, LegendaryMatt93 wrote: I don't cheat, because you will not learn anything by doing it, and it can have dreadful consequences...

thats what seperates the boys from the men!

At 10/7/07 03:49 PM, jfella91 wrote:

Oh right, I forgot to mention that this (In fact, that's why you are who you are. He has made you unique. Your gifts, passions, abilities, personality, and experiences make you uniquely you. You are designed by God "to do good works, which God prepared in advance for [you] to do." (Ephesians 2:10)) quote disproves Grammer, also.

ooh very open to interpretation, BUT I dunno where you got your quote 'cause this is what I got at ephesians 2:10

bible ephesians 2:10

So you gave a wrong quote and you didnt disprove anything.
Anyway, I am an atheist so I will never be good in evading bible meanings, but I think grammer can easily explain your given quote (which isnt in the bible i believe)

At 10/7/07 02:33 PM, Grammer wrote:

At 10/7/07 11:38 AM, jfella91 wrote: If God created us exactly the way we are, with all our specific personalities and problems,

But he didn't. Therefore, I deny any conclusions you came up with with your erroneous assumptions.

Good day, sir.

I just knew I would see a grammer post here! yeah
but for once I agree with you in this case

sorry for useless post

At 10/7/07 03:33 PM, LinhClone1 wrote:

in your opinion, what are disgusting things about Vietnamese, man?

well mostly youre eating habits.
and as far as sexual behaviour goes, from what I understand is that you all talk dirty, so you will probably not be any different.

I didnt really mean to offend you though, like I said vietnamese people are very friendly, but just a little different

yeah I cheated my way all trough highschool and now in the uni. I am not proud of it, but not ashamed either

mmwah, so so

seriously, I was in vietnam doing research last year, and you people all disgust me. So theyre probably right, but theyre not a hair better.

I did like you people as persons (u just disgust me)

lookin at user pic

:: emo

not interested

thats hawt

At 10/7/07 03:13 PM, skykid10 wrote:

The disbalance of the whole time and space will destroy and the Universe will implode.
What if maybe Bread was frozen in a freezer then i might eat it??

lol...

what if wiis were racist? lol

I really wanted to answer the question, but its to hard, for I cannot comprehend it.

I like turtles

fuck a ginger and you burn in hell

and I am not even kiddin, burn you shall

so you never replied with quote?

thats just funny

At 10/7/07 12:09 PM, PikaRobo wrote: Wii

really the wii is the most disappointing console ever

I forced myself watching the whole clip, keeps you on the ground i guess, makes you appreciate our easy lives somewhat more.

But it was pretty sickening, especially the laughter

I for one, simply think the third reich would have crumbled anyway, with or without US involvement.
hitler had no recources.

oh and havent read a +5 cellardoor post; youre still the most narrowminded chauvinistic bigot on the i-net (atleast youre #1 in something)

people who are proud of being white or black for that matter are insane, how can you be proud on something you are born with. its the same as being proud having green eyes.

On topic:

I think we white people have to put up with the inequality around racism, I mean be glad youre white it brings alot of comfort.

At 9/30/07 11:58 AM, ZachMM wrote: WHERE MAH TACOS AT!?

I soo loved that one

sucxk my cock you phat whore

lets not

any regular user would be banned for such a useless thread

At 9/23/07 11:26 PM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: We used military force to take down a corrupt, evil dictator and bring Democracy to Iraq.

Hmm democracy isnt everything you know. Maybe some countries are better off with a dictator who atleast kept order and relative peace.

At 9/26/07 11:28 AM, Gul-Dukat-DS9 wrote: It is not very likely that the International community will do shit about it. See, they didn't do shit about Cuba, Darfur, Uganda, Tianang Men, Venezuela, and so on...

what do you propose to do the?
much more then sanctions isnt really possible, and sanctions there are