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scroll through all his 9 pages and check for the low scores (alot of it are zero's) he's got alot of good clear abusive ones

At 6/21/03 10:58 PM, Newgrundling wrote:

Also, I just found a load of abusive reviews in the current Turd of the Week - you guys may want to check it out.

hmm alot of abusive (I assume) votes, but none really were abusive in my opinion. What is this? I mean voting on them will get your whistle broken

At 12/27/07 11:51 AM, YoungAndWise wrote:

At 12/27/07 06:24 AM, Tomsan wrote:

At 12/26/07 10:58 PM, YoungAndWise wrote:

At 12/26/07 03:03 PM, Tomsan wrote:

At 12/26/07 02:54 PM, YoungAndWise wrote: Define me what you consider free will and I will gladly prove you wrong.

yes good question, thats always important, but I would define it as; being able to have a choice which could never be calculated, beforehand, because it is not subject to matter.

That's not free will, that's called acting completely randomly.

hmm why so?

Because every action has a reason to be.

Well I noticed youre just 15 yo, and thats ok, but it seems your not really understanding the points i am making. But Ill give it a friendly try again.

My defenition of free will is that the choice you make cannot be predicted to the exact.
Why do you find that "acting completely randomly" ?
because: "every action has a reason to be" ???
that just doesnt make any sense.

Even when a computer or a person could calculate which is the most likely thing a person would do in certain situation, that person still has the ability to choose what he wants to do.

The computer wouldnt calculate 'the most likely' it would calculate the precise. When something could calculate an outcome before it happened, in my opinion the free-will factor is gone

That is impossible. No computer can ever calculate what will a person do exactly, because free will exists. There can be a percentage or estimate of what will the outcome be, but the result is unpredictable.

Yes ok you believe in free will thats fine, but its no good to postulate your OPINION like it is fact(however I did some of that to), I explained WHY I think our actions can be predicted, if youre just gonna react to my examples by: "thats not possible because free will exists" then the discussion will soon get stuck, try to reason a bit.
Why are you so sure free will exists? how do you know?

An example will sufice:

A computer caculates at what time you will feel tired and will go to sleep. If the computer tells you when it is going to happen, you have the choise to do it at that time or to do it at another. If the computer doesn't tells you at what time you are probably going to sleep, it still is your choise if you go to sleep at that time.

if you are informed about the outcome it will influence you so that the outcome will be something else.

Not necessarily, no.

yes necessarily, comon weak reaction. When a computer that would be able to calculate your excact reaction it needs ALL the data to the moment you are about to react. If you are going to change that course of happenings by giving information about the choice, then a new reaction will automatically form, very logical so a new calculation can be made.

The choice will be different, but still predecided.

No.

YES!!!!!!!! no its ok if you dont think so, but maybe you would care to elaborate.

The choise CAN be different, if you choose it to be different. And that's where free will comes in.

SO if you choose that your choice should be different then your initial choice that is where free will comes in? yes I agree, to the funny sentence, but I am nearly saying that there is no such thing as free will.

for a computer to make predicitons it should have all the input to the point it will make a prediciton (so it cant really predict into the future)
when we would be able to know all factors on a very precise level (this includes weather, exact temp, solar explosions etc.) then we could maybe extrapolate everything and build a future telling machine, but thats so hypothetical. btw you would need a com the size of the moon to calculate such things I guess

That is impossible, because time exists and therefore things can change and alter the possible outcomes.

Well atleast your thinking with me. The example is very hypothetical, so yes very unlikely, but not impossible (assuming free will isnt real, and thats what I am assuming just to make sure for you). When knowing all the factors (and I mean ALL) you can extrapolate this, for example when I know the action some-one is going to make then I will know the reaction of someone else and then the reaction back of someone else etc etc etc, so then you could calculate all actions of all humans into infinity (or just the next century). This would create the future picture.

Also, there will never be a single course of action, there will always be an infinity of possible choises. What can be predicted is the most convenient one, but not the one that will be taken.

yes you more or less already said that; but your just completly evading any point I am trying to make.
Ill get to it below

And to give you a solid fact: People commit errors, but it's they don't know it before they commit them. Therefore, people have the free will to commit then without knowing it, and a computer couldn't predict such an illogical thing to do.

Ok clearly you and I dont believe in the same thing it boils down to just a simple thing.
I do not think that the mind (consisting of free-will, choices) is subject to matter, so it is inseperatable of the body.
When you accept that the mind is just a creation of billions of nerve endings communicating then you will agree that there is only one reaction to a certain input, because its hardware. certain electrical signals are given stimulated by certain visuals, hearings taste touch words etc those electrical signals can be predicted right? when I hold a pic of a naked women infront of you I could measure the signals given from the eye to where-ever your brain likes to dump some endorfines. So now then, when I know all your nerves their locations their functions their connections, I know all the inputs, and I know how strong the inputs are and how the inputs will be spread along your brain and which hormones neurtransmitters will be released, I know what electrical current will spread through parts of the body, etc etc etc Then I can predict your action to the precise, because there is only one route it will take. not infinite.
We can give certain electrical stimuli to cats targeted on their brain, which will make them walk or yawn or even miauw! so we can already predict to some extend what a cat will do if we are going to stimulate a certain area of their brain.

now feel free to react, but plz dont just say: "thats impossible" "NO thats not true" without elaborating

sorry heres the jpeg of the arab version:

At 12/27/07 09:26 AM, Kenzu wrote: I need someone who speaks arabic to translate a sentence for me into Arabic, French and Spanish!

"Socialist World Republic"

How to write that in Arabic?

well in french its: république socialiste du monde
in spanish: república socialista del mundo
in arabic: %u0627%u0634%u062A%u0631%u0627%u0643%u06 4A%u0651%u0629 %u0639%u0627%u0644%u0645 %u062C%u0645%u0647%u0648%u0631%u064A%u06 29

I guess you could have figured that out on your own, with all the magic of internet and all

At 12/26/07 10:58 PM, YoungAndWise wrote:

At 12/26/07 03:03 PM, Tomsan wrote:

At 12/26/07 02:54 PM, YoungAndWise wrote: Define me what you consider free will and I will gladly prove you wrong.

yes good question, thats always important, but I would define it as; being able to have a choice which could never be calculated, beforehand, because it is not subject to matter.

That's not free will, that's called acting completely randomly.

hmm why so?

Free will is being able to choose what to do, taking decisions.

agreed

Even when a computer or a person could calculate which is the most likely thing a person would do in certain situation, that person still has the ability to choose what he wants to do.

The computer wouldnt calculate 'the most likely' it would calculate the precise. When something could calculate an outcome before it happened, in my opinion the free-will factor is gone

An example will sufice:

A computer caculates at what time you will feel tired and will go to sleep. If the computer tells you when it is going to happen, you have the choise to do it at that time or to do it at another. If the computer doesn't tells you at what time you are probably going to sleep, it still is your choise if you go to sleep at that time.

bad example, if you are informed about the outcome it will influence you so that the outcome will be something else. The choice will be different, but still predecided.
for a computer to make predicitons it should have all the input to the point it will make a prediciton (so it cant really predict into the future)
when we would be able to know all factors on a very precise level (this includes weather, exact temp, solar explosions etc.) then we could maybe extrapolate everything and build a future telling machine, but thats so hypothetical. btw you would need a com the size of the moon to calculate such things I guess

At 12/26/07 04:28 PM, Latecks wrote: Start bowing, you fucks.

well considering you post type, I beg to differ

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Topic: Typical newgrounds hotties
Posted: 11/10/07 12:35 PM
Forum: General

sdf

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Topic: most hardest game levels
Posted: 11/10/07 11:46 AM
Forum: General

At 11/10/07 11:44 AM, firedragonman1 wrote:

At 11/10/07 11:41 AM, LateckS wrote: "Do Not Flame The Noob" level: firedragonman1
That's hard.
we were all noobs at some point,

dddddddddd

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Topic: most hardest game levels
Posted: 11/10/07 11:41 AM
Forum: General
"Do Not Flame The Noob" level: firedragonman1

That's hard.

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Topic: I am awesome.
Posted: 11/10/07 11:37 AM
Forum: General

At 11/10/07 11:03 AM, alicetheDroog wrote: Now, this is a story all about how
My life got flipped-turned upside down
And I liked to take a minute
Just sit right there
I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel Air

gay

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Topic: -->Kitty Krew+Star Syndicute?<--
Posted: 11/10/07 11:29 AM
Forum: General
At 11/10/07 10:59 AM, alicetheDroog wrote: Atom Association.
That's all I gotta say.

ddddd

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Topic: I'm a machine
Posted: 11/02/07 03:44 PM
Forum: General

IMCOMPETENT BEING YOU ARE

WILL AM DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR LANGSPEEK

YOUR SHIP ARE IS CRASH

SPOFF

SPOFF

SPOFF

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and it goes on and on, infact youre a fucking LOSER

At 12/26/07 03:09 PM, CerpinTaxt wrote:

I agree to a certain extent with reflexes, but I mean, you can't possibly argue that all responses to external stimuli are without a certain degree of freedom of choice. There isn't enough evidence in the field of neuroscience to support such an assumption.

No thats true, there isnt, but their is evidence based on labanimal tests.
I myself have done some animal studies (not on this area of expertice). I used 5 mousestrains each with 12 animals. The mice, within one strain, where genetically the same, and where kept at the most possible similar conditions (their housing was exactly the same etc).
between strains there was much difference, but within strains the mice acted soo insanly similar. the different mice within a strain almost followed the exact same routes within the tests. They waited and reacted at the exact same periods at signals given.
Because my personal believes are that the mind isnt seperatable of the body, it is very logical to assume that the mind works in this way. Our consience deceives us by letting us think we have a free will/choice, while we actually dont

At 12/26/07 03:14 PM, BazookaNinja wrote: An individual brain/conscience presented with a certain sensory experience at a precise moment and place will react in a particular and singular way. That should be obvious. Does that mean that we're computer-esque beings that react in predetermined ways? I don't think so at all, but I can see how you would think that.

You put it very well, but if you believe it will react in a particular singular way, how can you then not believe we react in a predetermined way? isnt the first contradictory to the other?

At 12/26/07 02:54 PM, YoungAndWise wrote: Define me what you consider free will and I will gladly prove you wrong.

yes good question, thats always important, but I would define it as; being able to have a choice which could never be calculated, beforehand, because it is not subject to matter.

At 12/26/07 02:54 PM, CerpinTaxt wrote: So, basically what you're trying to argue is that due to the biochemistry in our brain, we will ALWAYS choose a specific, predetermined outcome?

yes indeed, there is some undeterminable factor in the quantum mechanics, but that does not really influence it on the nerve scale.

At 12/26/07 02:49 PM, Hellian00 wrote: You forgot the Human Element: Choice. No computer could calculate that. It creates infinite possibilities and outcomes. So, no computer will ever be able to calculate what a human will do to 100% precision. They can, however, calculate a percentage of a certain outcome, but not ever to 100%.

No I said there is no choice. A certain input will always give 1 possible output to the most detailed precision. When I would ask you a question(e.g. in real life) your reaction could be calculated; the answer, but also the movements wou will make during the answer etc. Its all just a bunch of nerve endings that will react, there is no choice.

At 12/26/07 02:52 PM, Corky-D wrote: I am posting a message that has been decided before I even typed it.

yes it has. Sounds ridiculious maybe, but if you think about it (which is already predecided if you will) its not that strange, if you atleast dont believe in god and that kinda crapp.

For every (inter)action you have experienced in your life; all movements you made every single thought that has ever crossed your mind, formed and still is constantly forming your brain (even this text), and since all the different neuron connections form your whole being, attitude behaviour etc. you really have NO free will at all.
A super computer could calculate every single thing you would do; movement, speach etc, when given all the input. obviously this isnt possible(yet).
It is difficult to accept because we experience life as if we have free will, but every choice you make is really pre determined.
Sad actually, since it means that you dont really live your life, you are just riding it.

see how this will do in general

comon, I dunnot wanne be an topic jumper but I am

here we go again
pathetic really from someone with 5k+ posts

At 12/21/07 05:44 PM, Randy74 wrote: Prostitutes are for sad men that can't girls...tsk tsk.

or for busy buisnessmen who dont have time to court a lady; or for people who just want to have sex and not a whiny bitch afterwards

Well with the new year coming closer I thought it was just about time for a fresh and new, Good Intentions thread.

So Post them here and maybe even keep us updated.
Oh and be welcome to troll, its fun.

Mine are:

- gettin my arsche bleached
- gettin a colonrectal washing (I really want it for some reason)
- Fucking that hot chick from college (although thats gonna be a challenge; stuck up bitch that she is)
- Kill Oprah (and dr Phill while I am at it)
- set the house of a clairvoyant person on fire
- Fight religion (albeit in my own community) even harder (dont hate)
- reduce playing games on the PC with 30 min/day
- increase playing on the PS3 with 3 hours/day
- buy my brother a russian wife ( he NEEDS to get laid)
- acually read the fucking book before an exam instead of reading the powerpoints.
- shave my balls for the third time
- dont forget to take a dump at home (coffee + fag is like laxative times 10; thats not fun while attending a 2 hour presentation)
- waste my '08 summer on starcraft2 ( I am so excited!)
- and last but not least I have to stop smokin these fuckin cigarettes!

At 12/21/07 05:12 PM, The-evil-bucket wrote:

At 12/21/07 05:12 PM, Unclemonty23 wrote: School was the worst 12 years of my life...

I doubt it.

lol

he is gonna be your future friend!

I just aced my exam today feel hyper as shit

also against short range missiles launched from boats close to the US coast line?

Oh and the titles are misleading they dont really disprove any arguments of cellardoor nor do they really support them

since you guys are still heavily debating here is some interesting background information.

Holes in the Missile Shield

Star Wars: Still Buggy

Just some background. I especially like the first, I ended up reading all 6 pages.

At 12/20/07 03:24 PM, PantyWipe wrote: cellardoor6 is owning the fuck outta yer thread bro.

FACTS, LINKS, VIDEO, ETC.

All youve come up with is wild bullshit.

LINKS OR GTFO.

Well he did give sources, but they cant be checked. Asumming he is NOT making it up I would definatly chose his opinion then that of cellardoor.
and to add, I did some reading on this subject this afternoon (some reading not much) and it said that ICBM are very hard to target by the current missile shields. They do not work very well. So actually he is right.
Scuds can be blown out of the sky by patriots, but they go wayt slower and come from lower altitudes (some other factors aswel).
ICBM shield exist, but that doesnt say they work. btw if you actually read the links Cellardoor gave (and I doubt you did) you would for example see that the THAAD tests failed 8 out of 10 times!
as far as the video go. big deal thats not to convincing.
Still musician dude is not completly right, missiles can be shot out of the sky, but cellardoor isnt completly right either by impliying its a good working effective system.

missile shield and their added value are heavily debated and even tests have a low succes rate.

anyway

I am enjoying your little discussion very much, although in this case I am unable to choose sides. I personally was under the impression that missile interception was easily done, and well Cellardoor showed some evidence, but ofcourse this doesnt prove everything. I dont think musician is lying about his relatives however its easy to do on the internet.
Maybe I, as cellardoor so often accuses people of, am just brainwashed by the liberal (or whatever) media and this time he is to..

anyway I am, not really an expert on this area, but dont the new age ICB's have mutiple warheads that can be dispatched at any time? So when shooting 10 ICB's, having 10 warheads per bomb resulting into 100 warheads each with his own destination, would that be to much for any interception program? I dont know I am just asking.

At 12/20/07 12:26 AM, Bolo wrote:

At 12/19/07 06:04 PM, Tomsan wrote:

At 12/19/07 05:58 PM, Bolo wrote: What has Putin done this year, besides snub the US a few times?



I don't see why he deserves it any more than any other world leader.

well maybe you should actually read the article then.

You cut out the reasoning in my post.

I had to my reply was to short.

I read the article, and I still see no reasons why Putin is the most "influential" man in the world, by any stretch.

Well thats weird to me it was pretty clear. But anyway I think he is the most powerfull man walking the earth right now. His power fastly surpasses Bush's because putin isnt bound to so many others

At 12/19/07 05:58 PM, Bolo wrote: What has Putin done this year, besides snub the US a few times?



I don't see why he deserves it any more than any other world leader.

well maybe you should actually read the article then.

could be a funny discussion, but you have to elaborate.

At 12/19/07 03:07 PM, iiREDii wrote:

At 12/19/07 01:32 PM, Deragos wrote: I live in a border city, and all my life i have notcied how little by little, illegals are cramping our schools and workplaces. They use our schools as child day-cares while they go off and make some money. At the end of the day, they return to mexico, and use the money they earned HERE over THERE.

what business of your is it where anyone spends or earns their money?

Its not perse his buisness, but it can definatly frustrate him seeing money earned in one country being constantly spend in another. If everyone would do that, the country would get into serious problems. So he has got a point (assuming its true)

i was christmas (no offense to those who believe in some other religion) shopping the other day, at an already packed mall to see SO MANY mexicans (and those of you who will probably try to point out that i am a racist, stfu, because i happen to be a mexican myself, a LEGAL). What really gets to me is that they dont have to pay taxes; they go to this booth at the entrance and show their reciepts and get their money back.

why should anyone have to pay taxes? sounds like sour grapes to me.

I am not really familiar with the whole american tax system, but I can imagine that when people are using social services like schools, and others on a regular, if not everyday, basis it would be weird for them never to pay taxes.

i work at a fast food restaurant, and i constantly frustrated by the fact that EVERY sunday morning, so many people come in who CANNOT SPEAK ENGLISH. I have family in mexico, and it is aggravating to know that NOT A SINGLE FORM OVER THERE IS IN ENGLISH, which is a load of (excuse my language) bullshit, since we have VOTING ballets in several languages.

i do not enjoy language barriers either.

i wouldnt go to a foreign country and not speak a single word of their native language (or in the US's case, most USED language), and ask them to speak english.

of course not, thats called courtesy. Noone is aksing you to speak Spanish though.

not completly true, if he is able to speak spanish his boss will definatly make him speak spanish if there are alot of spanish-speaking customers. Also he is just pointing out he finds it ridiculous people not even try to speak the language.

its true killing ants is a good way to waste time