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At 2/18/04 07:26 PM, Kyle_22 wrote: The U.S.A. may be number one, but it will never be as efficient and effective as a pack of suicide bombers.

It has been proven that Terror is actually an ineffectual weapon if the people of the country attacked has the intestinal fortitude to effectively strike back against it. The question is does the US have that intestinal fortitude? We did not have it in Vietnam and we lost. However, after 9-11 we did make a good showing for about 2-3 years, but now it appears our resolve may be cracking. If this resolves cracks, then our military will be impotent.

As for Isreal vs US, Isreal would not have a prayer. They really don't have troops that are more combat proven than the US. They have not really fought in any major conflicts since the 70s, and what action they have taken has been as an arrogant occuping force or brutal police force. Meanwhile we fought a war with Iraq that lasted 10 years (Saddam was constantly firing upon our aircraft between 1995 and 2003) and we fought a war in Bosnia. This leaves out a number of minor and major battles that US forces have been involved in (such as the Battle of Mogadishu which a group of 100 US Spec Ops forces actually won an impressive victory over a force outnumbering them 10 to 1 at least). So I'm sorry to say I think the US would wipe its ass with Isreal if such a conflict did arise, without resorting to as much force as we put into Iraq.

So does anyone know why Illwillpress is pulling the Nuerotically Yours games? Is it a space issue?

At 2/20/04 01:55 AM, miket311 wrote: hey is it bad if i find the current state of affairs in the world a mixture of boring, ironic, and not worth my time?
I think im going to make my own country, ill ban bullshit.

So then does this mean that you yourself will not be allowed to speak under your own regime!!

At 2/16/04 12:44 AM, launderedculture wrote:

At 2/13/04 02:10 AM, TheMason wrote:

Second, you are completely off on guessing who I am, but I will not hold that against you. I certainly am a punk, but I am no punk kid. I am 26 years old, with a college degree in communication (with a strong propaganda and communication theory background).

So I'm off in age and formal education level, however your outlook on this topic has all the intellectual power and finese of those 14 & 16 year olds posting on the subject. My degree is in Political Science with a concentration on International Relations (and a minor in history) furthermore I am actively pursuing a MA in Strategic Intelligence with a Concentration in Counter-terrorism.

Third, the US supported the Taliban in the past. The US was able to look past the Taliban’s repressive regime as long as they served our interest.

This is simply not true you are morphing one group in with another. We supported the Mujahideen, not the Taliban. The Taliban came to power once the Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan, then with the Reds gone, so did we). In short the Taliban came to power after we stopped military aid to Afghan fighters. This simply sounds good for your argument, but does not support the reality of the situation (come on, you should know this with "a strong propaganda and communication theory background"). This trend has been well documented by those interested in and in the know about the Islamist movement from all political stripes.

Forth, education comes in many forms not just schools. Television, radio, missionaries, “aid”, church; the point is America is extremely good at spreading its culture

Okay, the Taliban made it punishable by death to spread religious ideas that did not agree with their own. TV and radios were exceptionally hard to come by in Afghanistan. In fact most modern forms of communication were outlawed as being immoral and contrary to the Sharia. Any missionaries in Afghanistan walked a very thin line and if they did anything more than supply humanitarian aid (ie-food and medical care) they faced the DEATH PENALTY.

In short, the Taliban effectively cut-off any means we had of outside influences reaching the "hearts and minds" of the Afghanis.

So in conclusion what I said previously still stands:
You need to read up on the situation because even when you think you are making a point you only make yourself look more like the fool.

At 2/13/04 11:42 AM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 2/13/04 02:10 AM, TheMason wrote:

:: Well, what we do is stop providing military aid to that country, and depose the Government. Fine. So what about the countries with legit governments (I know there aren't many, but can't we halp them)?

The Regimes NOW may have to be removed my force, and most of them probably will. It wouldn't help if the US and the rest of the 1st world didn't stop installing the dictators in the first bloody place.

Bum,

We did not install the Taliban or even Saddam Hussein (even though we ONCE gave aid to Hussein in the 80s, he was supported more through the Soviets than the US). And especially in regards to the Taliban (the regime central to this thread) we never gave them ANY military aid.

However you do have a point. I believe Isreal deserves less military aid from the US and the rest of the world.

At 2/11/04 10:13 PM, XoneCase wrote:

XoneCase, get your ignorant ass out of this forum, ok?

Damn kid, why you gotta be hatin'? I ain't no fool and I ain't ignorant.

They why not say something intelligent, using the english language correctly?

Hey Stryker good to see you back and posting!

Dating advice was funny once he got onto the women!! (You know of whom I speak lifey!)

I wanted to laugh my ass off when he was talking about f*ck them and letting them die of some disease!

Computers in the Korean library SUCK!! SLOW to upload from NG!

Talk later,
TheMason

At 2/12/04 04:24 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

:: Education will stop the war. Educate the people in the third world, and they will prosper without our help. TYhat being said, aid won't hurt.

You liberals with your rose-colored glasses keep missing the point! How do you spread education when a third-world country's government is pointing an AK-47 at anyone who tries to bring civilization and prosperity to their little kingdom? Especially when Europeans have brought so much death and destruction to the rest of the world?

There are people in these lands who want peace and a education, HOWEVER they are FORCED by their domestic regimes into ignorance! The REGIMES will only be removed via force. It is sad and sick, but it's reality.

HOWEVER,

I'm sorry that I do not think that what is going on in Getmo is that harsh. Back in the day these guys would REALLY be tortured. Hell they would do worse to an American they captured. In fact I believe they have a leave no prisoner alive policy.

At 2/7/04 09:08 PM, red_skunk wrote: concentration camp
n.
A camp where civilians, enemy aliens, political prisoners, and sometimes prisoners of war are detained and confined, typically under harsh conditions.
A place or situation characterized by extremely harsh conditions.

I stand corrected, and take a big slice of humble pie (something I hate to do!)

At 2/11/04 08:48 PM, launderedculture wrote:

:: I never said those people were uneducated. But they do need to be taught western ways in order for them to prosper in this world. Its sad but true. We could have resolved the situation without war. We could have stopped it before it happened.

Since you are a military man, I don’t blame you for disagreeing with me. War mongering is the only way you can save your job.

Here's a few things you missed in my post. In Afghanistan there was NO diplomatic way to resolve the situation (this does not come from my being in the military--I will address this later). You have to look at the Govt. over there. The Taliban WOULD not let Western ideas take root. Schools over there were only allowed to teach Religion, and not a look at all religions but a Medievil form of Islam. The Taliban ruled the country through the use of violence and intimidation and destroyed as many of the non-Islamic cultural treasures (the Buddhist Statues at Bimi being the most dramatic) as they could. They used UN money to build a soccer stadium (what it was intended for) and then used the stadium as a place to hold inhuman (not just inhumane) executions of people who committed such crimes as being a woman who worked to put food in their children's mouths. Do you really believe that they would have just rolled over and allowed Western viewpoints to "infect" their pure Islamic culture? You obviously have ZERO understanding of the realities of the situation on the ground. Try learning about the history of Islam, and Afghanistan before you post again.

As for my opinions coming from being military & job security. I do not plan on staying in the military. I have a college education and some exciting job prospects in the civilian world that I'm going to take advantage of as soon as my enlistment is over.

I do not like war, I do not like going to war. I do not want to go halfway across the world, leaving behind those friends and family that I love and live in shitty conditions. I do not want to miss out on my daughter's life and growing up. I am the last person who wants war. I want it to happen less than you do.

HOWEVER I do not live life looking through rose colored glasses that do not allow me to see reality for what it is. Unlike you. You say you are 79 (Ha!) on your profile. You are in reality probably some 12-17 punk kid who does not have the education, maturity and/or experience to be posting on a topic as complex as this. OR you are some College student (a Junior at MOST) who is so full of himself, piss and wind that you cannot see that you do not know jackshit. All you really know about world affairs is regurgitation from your mommy & daddy. Please grow-up and then start polluting cyberspace with your ill-informed drivel.

You are a f*cking moron.

At 2/11/04 08:56 PM, lifey wrote: You better or I will have to kick both of your asses!!!! Lucky for me I have really great husband! :)

Tell him I need him over here, I've got a few Phillipina's trying to become the next ex-Mrs. Klenke!

At 2/10/04 02:47 AM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 2/10/04 01:51 AM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: I wonder if it's fair to restrict the ownership of assault rifles and other military grade weapons. Suppose the Government goes corrupt, could a handgun protect you against a SWAT team? Maybe those stockpilers are the only chance we have?

Are you actually paranoid about this? I get a little worried about people who vote, then think their government will go corrupt.

Sorry Bum, this is just a little residue of having to live under the oppressive colonial regime of your country (and just think we are largely the same race as you, I'd hate to be a African or Indian under your "Empire").

As for the topic of assault weapons, they are something that has a certain look that the media loves to prey upon when in reality they are not the problem. Handguns and shotguns are used in FAR more crimes than AK-47s or UZIs! And yes you can effectively hunt with an AK-47 legally and without destroying the game animal!

At 2/8/04 02:32 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: Purely out of interest, in the past year, how many times have the following things occurred?

a) Your home has been burgled in the middle of the night.
b) Your home has been burgled in the middle of the night, by a guy with a gun.
c) Your home has been burgled in the middle of the night, by a guy with a gun, who then proceeds to attack or threaten you or your family?

Also purely out of interest:

d) Have you ever fired a gun
d ii) If so, at what?
e) Do you own a firearm?
e ii) If so, what?
f) Has your firearm (if you have one) ever came in useful in protecting the security of you or an immediate member of your family/close friend?

Purely so that I dont get asked this, my answers are:

a) 0
b) 0
c) 0
d) no
e) no
f) N/A

a) 1
b) 1
c) 1
d) Yes
d ii) .270 hunting rifle, .303 hunting rifle, shotgun, SKS, AK-47, UZI, Mini-14, M-16 (not the AR-15), 9mm handguns, .45 handguns, .22 rifles and handguns, competitive air-rifle.
e) Yes
e ii) a 7.62x39 hunting/home defense rifle
f) Yes

Bum, I hate to say it but who cares what your opinion is on this. You do not know what the hell you are talking about, your only talking to hear yourself speak.

At 2/10/04 10:32 PM, -Jamster- wrote: What in your opinion is the best way to either reduce or to discourage the acts of Al-Qaeda.
I personally have no idea.

1. Continue on in Iraq as we are. (Saddam was a major distabilizing factor in the Middle East). By next year we should have only a token military presence in the region (withdrawl has already begun), taking much of the wind out of bin-Laden's sails.

2. Try to normalize relations with Iran. Unlike Iraq, there are people in power in this country that seem willing to talk and open to diplomacy.

3. Lean on Isreal to stop atrocities against the Palestinians and work to create a Palestinian state. From there we may be able to broker a peace with the Arab states. (Especially if that war criminal Sharon leaves power).

4. Decisively take out al-Qaida camps and compounds. This will require military action and stuff being blown up and people killed. HOWEVER, once radicalizied to this point this is the language most of these people understand.

5. Increase human intelligence in third world countries, especially in Islamic Africa where bin-Laden has been known to operate (such as Somalia and the Sudan).

At 2/11/04 02:21 AM, launderedculture wrote: Would could fight them with education. Think of how many lives could have been saved in Afghanistan if we dropped schools instead of bombs. It would take longer to convert them sure, but having someone 'want' to join your side, rather than being 'forced' too is a lot more rewarding in the long run.

Wow, your post succiently describes why liberals should not be allowed anywhere near National Security. "Drop schools instead of bombs", sounds good but does not reflect reality. It only demonstrates just how fundamentally ignorant (DO NOT read stupid or unintelligent, instead read "uninformed") you are about this issue!

Furthermore, do you really think that we had to convince that many Afghans to join our side instead of the Taliban? The Taliban was an oppressive regime imposing power by FORCE! They ruled with Sha' ria (Islamic fundamentalist law) and the Koran in one hand, and an AK-47 in the other! The Taliban did not accept any authority higher than God, and thus did not submit to international opinion.

Furthermore, the people in other Arab countries who join al-Qaida tend to actually be from middle- to upper-class families with good education. bin-Laden almost finished a degree in engineering before running off to fight the Soviets in the 1980s and his chief Lt is a Pediatrician from a esteemed Cairo family.

It is easy for people to think of terrorists as being uneducated or backwoods but often they tend to be of above average IQ and/or well-educated.

At 2/10/04 02:25 AM, DarknessRules wrote:

At 2/8/04 05:27 PM, XwaynecoltX wrote:

At 2/7/04 09:05 PM, DarknessRules wrote: Wazup from the far away place of the strang wether

And what would that be???

~X~

that would be the western side af the US where the wether changes every 2 minuts.

Sounds nice (I'm originally from the Mid-West), now I'm livin it up where for about $8.10 (10,000 local currency)/per drink an attractive woman will sit with you!

Don't worry Lifey, I'll keep your hubby on the straight and narrow while he's over here! lol (I'm going to get a scathing e-mail or reply for this aren't I?)

At 1/20/04 02:05 PM, Stuporman wrote: Nahh, you're right...it's always been going on. Many a treaty has been broken by the US in the past. The US's catchphrase has been "we do what we damn well feel like doing and we're ready to kick ass if you think otherwise" ever since we told King George III of England to go screw himself.

Yes we are the bad guys.

We have broken so many treaties concerning research into illegal weapons and weapons testing (unlike the pure Soviet Union and their massive biological/chemical weapons program [in violation of the CBT] and the righteous French [who detonates nukes whenever and wherever they please regardless of treaties covering nuke testing]).

The truth is we are cleaning up a mess made by most of the other powers of this world who destroyed themselves between 1910 and 1945 so completely that they could no longer control the vast colonies and empires they had built up.

As for Getmo being a "concentration camp" your word usage is misleading (purposely perhaps?). We are not gassing the prisoners, nor are we killing them like cattle. We are treating them harshly (when compared to a law-abiding citizen) but these are people who indiscriminately murder innocents in Jihad to cleanse the world of infidels!

Why don't you go live in these countries ruled by the Sha' ria and then see how you like it. The people at Getmo are not good people.

Just wanted to say hey from the land of the Juicy!

TheMason

Stryder,

Sounds like fun up in NC! As for anti-Clock banter, what I meant by "flaming" was going to a pro-Clock website and making a total ass of ourselves like "Punktastic" has done and one or two others on our board.

Hatter clock, if you truly are a fan of Foamy as well as the clocks welcome.

Well peeps the next time you hear from me I'll be in Sunny South Korea!

TheMason

Statement of Purpose and Against Flamers

Okay it seems as if we are getting some people out there who do not understand the purpose of this club. I started this with the intention of having a place where people who are fans of Nuerotically Yours and Foamy to be able to post about Foamy and interact with other people.

This is not a tyranny where people will conspire to destroy the clock crew or other people who dislike Illwillpress. In fact if you like NY and the clocks you are welcome here. We are not mobilizing to destroy other people's creations. We will however discuss issues related to the portal and if there is a sense that something unfair is about to happen (ie-Suggestion Box getting turd of the week) we will try to counteract such things.

This is a fan club open to all who like Foamy, we are not hurting or threatening anyone who dislikes the whole Nuerotically Yours scene. While most of us do not like the Clocks, we are not campaigning against them nor are we flaming their fans and we would appreciate the same courtesy. HOWEVER if you flame in our "Club House" you will be dealt with harshly. The skulls of those who have flamed stand upon pikes outside our gates as warning to those who would flame (or drama aside, look at the responses to those who have flamed before).

If you wish to have an INTELLIGENT discussion on why one is better than the other please leave your emotions at the door.

Thank you,
TheMason

At 2/1/04 02:49 AM, Black_Shade wrote: you're the retarded one you fucking retard, if you make a FOAMY PROTECTORS! WOW IM SO COOL! it will just give more hate towards you and foamy, this problem has already been solved, and all you dumbasses who joined should kno ur only hurting the squarl. i mean gold clock already gave you the 1 2 3 about foamy, and i kno there will be more, and the problem might happen again.

Black shade, please do me a favor and stop writing where people can actually read it! Your ability to produce coherent and intelligent thoughts and concepts is lacking as well as your command of the English language to express them.

1) You cannot put a sentence together correctly (ie: it will just give more hate towards you and foamy, [if I was your English teacher I would give you an F]). On your profile and BBS signature when you are talking about "Shadow's and Shade's" you are using a( 's) which denotes possive instead of plural (you should have used shadows and shades). Again an F.

2) You cannot spell even simple words (ie: kno, ur, squarl). Yet another F.

Your profile says that you are only 14. Judging by your ability to write, you have yet to pass Junior High or grow pubes. Also about your use of profanity, ("you fucking retard") do you suckle at your Mommy's tit with that mouth? How many times a day do people tell you that you were a waste of a perfectly good BJ?

(Lesson: Do not run with the big dogs, you are still a pup; with no pubes)

At 1/31/04 03:40 PM, red_skunk wrote:

At 1/31/04 10:25 AM, bumcheekcity wrote: Just out of interst, what's the name of this film?

I think it's called "Christ Film"

Actually it is called The Passion of the Christ. The studio is making a real effort to allow church leaders to screen the film before its release in Febuary. Most of the reviews I have seen or heard from local church leaders is that they were blown away and moved by the description of the last 12 hours of Christ's life. Supposedly it is the closest adaption of this part of the bible to the actual text.

The controversy is centered around some Jewish leaders fears (based upon history) that this could be used to flame anti-Semetic feelings because the idea that Christ was killed by the Jews has been used to justify atrocities such as the Holocaust (I know that it was not Hitler's driving force).

As for me I do not know if I wish to see it or not. I was raised Catholic and as an adult have studied religion and other ways of faith inside and out of Christianity. Since it adheres strictly to the modern Bible I personally feel that I will be disappointed of all the things that will be left out (such as Christ's marriage to the Magdelene, who was NEVER a prostitute).

At 1/25/04 04:54 AM, bumcheekcity wrote:

:: The fact that planes even have 'courses' to fly on is stupid. We should just point them in the direction of their destination and tell them to get there.

As someone who serves in the Air Force and has gone through pilot training, you just came across to me as someone who is very stupid. What you describe in your second sentence is a course, the very thing your first sentence describes as stupid!!!!

Secondly, monitoring a aircraft en route is a very sensible thing to do! If there is an emergency it allows emergency responders to get a better fix on the aircraft's location (vital if it goes down over the ocean or some remote area!). Secondly with the heavy amount of airtraffic over the US it allows for safer flying by setting up a system whereby one may predict when and where other aircraft will be sharing the same airspace!

Sorry Bum, but this post shows just how little you know.

At 1/29/04 03:32 PM, Funktastic wrote: This thread has the biggest conglomeration of fucking morons I have ever seen gathered in one place. Please have a real life meeting so I can kill you all at once. Thanks to you I lost 6 million brain cells just browsing this thread.

Wow I am really and truly scared now! According to your post you are 18 and a student which means one of two things 1) You yourself do not have a HS diploma yet or 2) You are just a freshman in college full of piss and wind and think you know it all. Which you do not (please do not try to attack my level of education or intellect, or that of my friends, because I would hate to disembowel your ego publicly).

This only adds to the intimidation factor! I, along with the others in this thread, am being threatened with death from someone who is probably a scrawny little geek who is either still on his Mommy's tit or just popped it out of his mouth to go to college! That is really frightening when at least three of us in this thread are currently serving on active duty status in the military and dealing with little piss-ants such as yourself is something we do on a daily basis. If we were to meet all in one place, I can assure you that it would not be us leaving in a body bag.

You are a f*cking moron!

So please do not post on this thread again. You are not welcome as long as the only thing you wish to do is flame and contribute nothing to any of the conversations that may be occuring in this club. Consider this your official notification.

SRAKeats, please e-mail me before you respond to funktastic.

At 1/26/04 06:45 PM, stryker12000 wrote:

:hes never posted on newgrounds before, so whenever I get him to do it, please make him feel welcome, his name is Banethebax (bax = bat fox?) thanx

No problem dude! We look forward to greeting him!

At 1/24/04 07:09 PM, stryker12000 wrote: Korea eh? I heard that the more southern the easier, more northern more work... Also heard that the rock soldiers are insanely disiplined.

I'm going to be Southern-most so that's a good sign!

I'd have to say that Elf Dreams is my favorite. It reminds me of my ex-wife's fascination with Legolas from LOTR, and well since she lives in a reality of her own I wonder if she's ever actually met him!

Nice new banner Stryker and I like your BBS message!

That's cool man! I'm getting ready to go to Korea, maybe I'll get a few war trophies there!

At 1/22/04 09:08 PM, K-Rizl wrote: I believe the 9-11 attacks were acts that were let happened(did i say that right?).

reason 1: The highjackers got on the planes with box cutters, and subdued everyone on that plane. (WHAT?)

Up until 9-11 Aircrews were trained to keep passangers calm during a hijacking because until then terrorists used airplanes they hijacked to make demands. IF they wanted the planes to blow-up, they just blew them up without hijacking them. Flying them into a high-profile building was not considered impossible just highly improbable.

reason 2: After previous information about the attacks no airports raised security, or even heard about it (i heard).

I hope you realize that you are making little sense here. Are you saying that we had forewarning and airport did not pay attention if they even got the word? Or are you saying that news of the attacks were slow getting around after the attack? As for the first possible question, do you realize just how much noise is out there for counter-terrorist intel agents to comb through? When it comes to intelligence we are not omnipotent and cannot keep tabs on every potential terrorist (which is probably every man, woman and child).

reason 3: Airlines aware of planes off course for like a hour or something (when the air force claims they can bring anything down in under 16 minutes).

When on alert status the Air Force and Navy CAN bring down anything in about that time. HOWEVER on 9-11 we did not have any units on alert status on the East Coast. All of our jets were armed with training munitions and thus effectively unarmed. It would take us a minimum of 15-30 minutes to reconfigure an aircraft to a posture that it can shoot something down.

reason 4: Companies moved out of the buildings shortly before the attacks.

You should make this "irrationalities" instead of reasons. You are talking about a TRADE CENTER that played host to THOUSANDS of companies! Think about it, a high turnover rate is something that is to be expected!

reason 5: That whole taking money out of the stock exchange or somehting.

What the hell are you talking about here?

PS is this a subject that already came up?

Your reasons are irrational and uninformed. You should not go around expressing opinions that are based upon too much time immersed in fiction and fantasy. Learn about how things really work (instead of watchin TV or Movies) and then express yourself. Until you do that you are a fucking moron.

At 1/24/04 10:58 AM, The_Unknown_Project wrote: It's amazing to see how a bunch of underrated (and overrated) people who gave in to having 'comedy' clock-related names, can wax offensive on people who have a hyperactive, egoistic anthromorph for their 'lord and master', and vice versa.

To some extent I actually agree with you. The foundation of the Foamy-Clock "war" is stupid. No one is forced to watch the clocks or Foamy, however I think it does come down to petty jealousy. If we have the skills to use our computers to write on BBSs we should have the maturity to let ppl enjoy watching what they wish without having to take pot-shots at them.

HOWEVER: I do not think that it is right to organize ppl into trying to blam something just because a group of ppl on the portal do not like Illwillpress. I think that this is why Suggestion Box recently received TTOTW, not because it was way below Illwillpress' standards.

If it wasn't for the Clock Crew's petty sniping I don't think that I would have started this group.

Hey Stryker, see if you can get an AK rather than a M-4, much better gun and the US now has a surplus in Iraq!