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a friend of mine just got back from zimbabwe in africa and he told me abit about their right to defend property, apparently you are fully within your rights to kill someone with a gun as long as youve given them a warning shot, no matter where they are on your property, inside or on the lawn, my friend was witness to this rule in action. also apparently what a lot of people will do, is shoot the trespasser, and then fire another shot into the air, simulating a warning shot.

im all for defending your shit, but killin a guy over material things just seems wrong to me.

driving to me isnt a right, a right is something you cant take away from a person, driving is a convenience that you have to earn, its a privelage.

so absolutely they should be forced to take driving tests if they are over a certain age. dont they already? whats the age on that in the states?

arrr i wish i knew how the quote reply thing works lol

At 6/21/11 02:49 PM, Yorik wrote: Because it's not reasonable to expect a petite physically handicapped person to be able to defend themselves against Shaq

well you probably wont like hearing this but im pretty against genetic weakness as well, in a fair stand up fight shaq would deserve to win, for being a better human being. its a slap in the face to evolution of you make it that easy to kill the best of us.

"Ban it because you don't need it" is never a good idea to ban anything.

i totally agree with you on that one, in fact i think i said something similar somewhere. but people with guns are the problem and your saying people with guns are the answer? true self preservation is a strong motivation to get a gun, but on principle, you should just let the coward shoot you, just cause everyone has one doesnt mean you should.

This is retarded.

:whoa dude, bit harsh

For starters, not everybody can own dogs, especially large dogs. Not that it's a bad idea, it's simply not reasonable for everyone.

:did you just say owning a gun is more reasonable than owning a dog?

Second, I can't believe you are actually more willing to chop someone up with a machete than to shoot them with a gun. You obviously have no combat experience. You can't possibly even imagine how much blood comes out in hacking and stabbing situations, and it's always right there in front of you, probably getting all over you, surely getting all sorts of germs and diseases that less than reputable home invaders are bound to have all over you and your floor, not to mention the trauma involved in the intimacy of bladed melee combat, and if he also has a weapon of any kind you both will most likely die. It is a horrible, horrible thing that is not recommended for anybody, even those with actual training in such things.

i like this one... yes i am absolutley more willing to be in a fight for my life with a weapon that i can fully control, as if its an extension of my arm, no i have no formal training but hey, ive got even less experience with firearms than i do with blades. i can most certainly imagine the mess a stab victim creates, or how much blood pumps out from a stumpy neck, yes its right there in front of me, as it should be. so its fear that makes you feel you need a gun? not something i suffer from these days. its a personal matter killing someone, your taking their life away, seriously do you get that? that person isnt alive anymore, with guns its just far too easy to kill, and impersonal to boot. i dont think my life is any more important to anybodies, and neither should anyone else, this is why guns exist i think, arrogance. as for both of us dying? like i said in a close quarters setting i think a man who knows his surroundings, and has a knife has an advantage over a burglar with a gun, get in close from a shady area then knife him up good while avoiding the shooty part of the gun, its quick and silent, if the burglar had a knife itd actually be a fairer fight lol.

At any rate, a hockey stick is not sufficient for home defense... At least get a baseball bat, what the hell are you thinking?

:well your obviously not canadian, id rather fight with a hocky stick than a baseball bat and for the same reasons youd rather fight with a gun over a knife, i dont like how heavy baseball bats are, im a quick an light kinda guy, with a hocky stick id of smacked you around the head 3 times before youd get one swing in with the baseball bat, thats called range. but this is all just personal prefrence

Finally, shooting someone with a gun and hitting someone with an instrument is NOT equivalent and NEVER will be. A home invasion is going to be close quarters, sure, but it doesn't necessarily have to be IN YOUR FACE close quarters. 7-10 yards is a completely reasonable possibility in most homes, even apartments, and most striking weapons aren't going to be of any use farther than 1-2 yards. You always want your enemy as far away as possible, no exceptions. It vastly limits their options for harming you. If you have a gun drawn on someone about 3+ yards away they can't do a single thing without your permission. You can react reasonably to any movement they make. It is stupid to think that this isn't a desirable or NECESSARY advantage.

sorry but i refute this information, youre making a lot of absolute claims about ideal settings, well my ideal setting is close and personal, so close in fact id be hugging the burglar, im a student of greco roman wrestling, so i actually prefer it in your face, and in my own home you better believe im waiting for you to get as close to me as possible before letting you know your reasonable reaction time with that gun is worthless now. some guy on lock stock and two blah blah blah said it best with "guns for show, knives for a pro" guns are loud and showy, knives your more likely to use cause its quiet, and you could proabbly play on that with the guy, employ some mental warfare.

but a gun? still dont see why thats at all neccesary... oh riiight.. cause some assholes invented them ages ago and swingin dick walker texas rangers wanna be cool... so basically the only reason we need guns is cause... we already have guns... thats almost a paradox.

I already explained why we need guns

:dude.. we dont NEED guns. theres actually very little we as a species neeeeeed. do you get what im sayin? why do people like me who just wanna get on with living, have to curtail to those who want war? thats rhetorical i know why, its cause you guys have guns, and people who speak out get shot lol... funny world we live in.

What is wrong with loving the history of firearms anyway?

whats wrong with loving the history of slavery? or the history of hitler?

Stupid, no comment.

well it was sarcastic, but recently a woman was shot in the woods by drunken macho assholes, much like the ones i described, shes dead now cause they couldnt be fucked confirming what they were shooting at, shed be alive if the restrictions i gave were in place.

So you see how guns can create peace?

:create peace? i dont think so buddy, we are in a state of war, at all times, guns keep all people from one side from dying, but in the middle, eveyones still dying, peace comes when guns arent needed, and i fight for the principle. would die for it too.

:Vermont where anybody can be carrying a weapon at any time without any license whatsoever? If you're a super smart hombre that values their life you would want to be in a place that is going to offer you the least resistance.

just cause your right, doesnt mean its right buddy, wheres your will to stand up for what should and not what is?

History proves this time and time again. Why do you think Mexico is so fucked up right now? Because hardly anybody is legally allowed to own any type of firearm whatsoever

man you love throwing guns at problems lol, there shouldnt be guns there in the first place, is my poin

heres to failing worlds!

dammit this isnt over, im having far too much fun, but my job hours are done an i dont have access to the computer anymore... will be continued

yorik i think your idea of the reality of the matter may be different to my view, cause in my reality only very obscure things are impossible, like flight without the use of wings or jet packs, spontanious ice cream, and fire breathing land whales... im saying that in any situation that you feel yourself or your family could at all possibly be in danger... there is a way out, and without a gun too.

for me its this, im kept humble by people who are able to do exactly what i just said, accomplish something without a gun, and the gun doesnt have to be a gun, it could be god... as in an alcoholic spends a few months in AA and finds jesus... id have a butt ton more respect for the fuck up who takes years to do the same but on his own. and if gun people challenged themselves in the same way guns wouldnt exist, its just a lazy rock throwing machine anyway, bring back swords

oh one more thing to add to that, if you honestly feel you need the extreme protection of a gun? i suggest you find a realtor instead, theres always alternatives, people just arent willing to make sacrifices... which is ironic considering the responsibility you just took when getting the gun.

i think guns should be banned, kept only for big game hunting, oh and planetary defence, cause i dont speak for aliens. people like you an me though? why do we need a gun at all?

honestly how often have you been walking down the street when a couple of tough lookin hombres step outta a dark alley an yell draw! usually if someones pullin a gun on you, they dont really wanna give you the chance of fighting back, hence the gun in the first place.

home defence? well a couple of german shepards and a hockey stick do well for me, knowledge of my own house gives me the home team advantage. if i REEEALLY felt it worthy id get an alarm system to beef it all up, maybe even trade in the hockey stick for a machete. now lets say the guy gets in, how much higher are your chances with a gun anyway? i step around a corner that im familiar with and shoot him in the head, or i step around the corner that im familiar with and crack him in the head with said hockey stick or machete, results are basically the same, and id say actually... that home defence is pretty close quarters anyway, your probably better off with a blade or stick or something like that.

but a gun? still dont see why thats at all neccesary... oh riiight.. cause some assholes invented them ages ago and swingin dick walker texas rangers wanna be cool... so basically the only reason we need guns is cause... we already have guns... thats almost a paradox.

so my reply is yes stricter gun control, people should have to take an objective iq test before being given a firearm, and then prove they arent a macho dickhead by carrying a pink training water pistol around everywhere they go for a year, they must also yell "Squirt" everytime they shoot something with it.

i get it though, im the only person left in the world who makes sense, and as fond of peace as i am, i do value my life, i realise that even if i convinced all but one person in the whole world to give up their guns... that one person would still have guns... and hes probably a dick.

my world fails in real life.

sorry this ones my favorite...

3. October 1998: A Terrence Dickson of Bristol,
Pennsylvania was leaving a house he had just finished
robbing by way of the garage. He was not able to get the
garage door to go up since the automatic door opener was
malfunctioning. He couldn't re-enter the house because the
door connecting the house and garage locked when he
pulled it shut. The family was on vacation. Mr. Dickson
found himself locked in the garage for eight days. He
subsisted on a case of Pepsi he found, and a large bag of
dry dog food. He sued the homeowner's insurance claiming
the situation caused him undue mental anguish. The jury
agreed to the tune of half a million dollars.

http://club.myce.com/f1/actual-lawsuits-
you-will-laugh-your-off-56459/

theres a whole buncha lawsuits in that link that will show it does happen... albeit these ones are pretty silly

is it? we found their bodies too but are they really there? i mean REEEALLYY there?

btw thanks for responding to my comment about the subject lol

saying possessions dont go with you after you die is disagreeing with a whole lot of ancient cultures... but thats for a different thread.

life is all about choices, and accepting responsibility for ones own actions, of course the society we live in today undermines that idea every chance it can, my opinion is, if you CHOOSE to break into a persons house and take that which they have worked hard to earn, then you are also CHOOSING to take what comes with it, and if that happens to be a pissed off homeowning texan with a revolver, then hey buddy, you made your bed, now lie in it.

the answer to your question my friend is maybe.

maybe there is a god and maybe there isnt. Is there a christian god? that i highly doubt... the christian god is portrayed as being very human, with feelings and desires, this is far from a perfect and godly image isnt it? but a force or creature that allowed our world to evolve in the beginning, possibly some kind of unintelligent catalytical being that has spurred on evolution.

but the truth is this, even is there is a god, it seems that it doesnt want us to fully recognize its existance, and so there is no possible way of being able to tell if it is real or not, hell even just the possibility of there being a god renders all human endevors moot, all our studies and research and technological advances are pointless in a "god guides the world" senario.

ill tell you this though pal, regardless of there being a god or not you shouldnt be worrying about it, its beyond human comprehention either way, the absence of god doesnt mean the absence of good... so if you are truely worried about it, just do your best to be a good person anyway. any god WORTH worshipping will be intelligent enough to realise that despite you not believing in him, you still did your best in life.

i just think its pretty ignorant... naive... to think that our universe is simple enough for there to be such a black and white element to it, God. nothing i know of our natural world tells me that anything is that simple.

but hey like i said... no way of knowing untill he pokes his head down from the clouds and says "hello im real".

Right, but this guy hardly even lived in Canada. He spent most of his life in Europe.

still governor general of canada dude

He was a British subject stationed in Nova Scotia - this makes him Canadian?

at the time canada didnt exist, doesnt mean there wasnt a sense of individuality, im talking about the canadians before canadians, like the patriots werent actually americans untill they got their independence

Keep 'em clean, fellas. Us lady-types really appreciate it.

no offense there, but lady types should keep outta penis policy lol, i wont jump in your vagina, dont jump on my rod haha

hahaha youre right, it is funny, we burned down your white house! hahahaha hilarious

Odd, I always thought that was during a series of British raids along the coast. Oh wait, that's correct.

bush didnt invade iraq himself, he had his army

Governor-General Sir George Prevost of Canada ordered the attack on the whitehouse, more like asked permission, using british troops

At 1/9/09 10:59 PM, CommisarGaunt wrote: yeah, you guys talk all kinds of shit as if you could beat us in a war or some shit, which i actually look up when i need a laugh.

hahaha youre right, it is funny, we burned down your white house! hahahaha hilarious

At 1/9/09 05:59 PM, GarvielLoken wrote:

At 1/9/09 01:36 AM, TheGuyAtYourWindow wrote: im all for equality but the irish can get fucked, contribute something to society or get out of earth!

Well we have contributed to Law enforcement, the formation of labor unions, and we had more Irish die in the civil war than any other single ethnicity. almost 1/4 of the men who died in the civil war

oh yeah one more thing... so ill blame the irish for police brutality, hospital strikes leading to patient death, and who cares if you died in the civil war? why were they fighting? it was their choice, get over it

At 1/9/09 05:59 PM, GarvielLoken wrote:

At 1/9/09 01:36 AM, TheGuyAtYourWindow wrote: im all for equality but the irish can get fucked, contribute something to society or get out of earth!

Well we have contributed to Law enforcement, the formation of labor unions, and we had more Irish die in the civil war than any other single ethnicity. almost 1/4 of the men who died in the civil war were Irish.
One might say that without the Irish Obama would not be in the Presidency. As far as reparations go if you want to look at groups that were oppressed in America I would rate it as such.....
1.African Americans 2.Native Americans 3. Us Potato sucking bastard the Irish

if ya read on youd see my other post saying i was joking...

no one deserves reparations, cause nothing happened to you, sure maybe your ancestors were treated a bit shit but who the hell cares? seriously, it was like 200 years ago, get over it, im sure some guy probably stole my great great great grandfathers cow or something, but am i gonna go chasing that dudes grandchildren with a stick saying hey gimmie a cow!

as if white people are gonna say to blacks... "you know what, youre right! lets make a deal, we'll be your slaves for a few centuries so its all even"

id be down with owning a slave, no more mowing the lawn

At 1/9/09 10:05 PM, Yamor wrote: I think Obama may actually help America, he will at least be a better president than that good for nothing Bush was.

hey now, bush, both bushes in fact, were good for something, showing the US how NOT to act. you americans got too comfy, and now you all gotta pull together and fix the recession, fix global warming, and fix your education system... itll be a good building exercise for you as a nation

So what you're saying, is you want to be 13 or 15 years old when your dad comes to you and says "hey son, your mom and I were talking, and we were wondering if you would like to snip some skin off your penis, what do you think?" That and we (wife and I) were told by a couple Dr and a few nurses that the pain is more intense the longer you wait for the procedure.

yeah thats what im saying, itd be the same as getting a vasectomy, localized pain killer, you wouldnt feel a thing, the anesthetic wouldnt be harmful cause you wouldnt be a baby!

For one, you do need your middle toes, you would fall over without them. Now your pinky toe, he is actually useless and probably next to go in our evolutionary cycle. Secondly, I don't think any religion should overpower the legal system. If cutting off your babies toes is legally unacceptable, then it should be illegal everytime. Religious people use their religion to get around traditional laws.

except youre wrong, i was in the ambulance when my cousin chopped his middle toes off, and the medic guy told him he was lucky it wasnt the big or little one, caus ethose are the main toes for balance, and next to go evolutionary is our tail bone. that last bit we are agreed on.

Better chance of negative lasting effects from beating your child than there is for circumcising him.

not if i just smack him once

I would say it's easier by about 2.5 seconds. Religion likes circumcision because it stops you from handling your dick. Cuz it's common knowledge that handling your dick leads to masturbation, which leads to homosexuality (yes that was sarcasm). The cack is one of natures most important creations, I can't see nature fucking that up.

if youre not a dirty scuzzbag then you got nothin to worry about.

Yeah at pretty much every time, people have thought that the end of the world was going to come about during their own lifetimes or shortly after.
Same shit is going on now too. Global warming, nuclear war, global pandemic and so on.

true but each generation the conditions worsen, our technology gets better and we get a little closer to species suicide, does that have a word? like genocide but self inflicted.

its more than just Y2K the robots will attack sorta thing, the planet itself is becoming uninhabitable, faster than what we can evolve to handle, lol and you can bet when the planet is set on fire, theres gonna be catholics runnin around saying i told you so, claiming the end of the world is gods doing, theyd probably be proud of it too

If you have an african parent, or an african-american parent, you are now african american.

lame, what if your parent is a white south african?

off topic but why is barack considered african american? his father was from kenya yeah, but his mother was irish, not to mention his father left when he was like 2, hell he practically grew up in indonesia anyway. so seriously, is it just cause his skin colours darker than most?

No, I cannot see any president in a depressed economic climate like this thinking anything like a reparation payment is a good and necessary idea. Everyone who wasn't receiving a check would rise up against him and want his ass. So no, he won't. But we will probably get more stimulus checks.

that was a joke about the irish btw... black people who didnt know anything about the politics of the 08 election and voted for obama purely because hes black, may be pissed off that he WONT be giving reparations, and so there may be a shit storm in any direction you look, 09 will be a good year to wear goggles

At 1/9/09 12:33 AM, GarvielLoken wrote: I should not have to learn a new language to be able to perform my chosen career. English is the native tongue here so we should not have to cater to people who have immigrated here the government sponsors English as a second language programs(ASL). So I guess what I am trying to say why do we cater to people who are not citizens when it alienates people who are?

so youre a cop, and you come across a dirty mexican, hes speakin portugese or some nonsense, obviously hes a terrorist.

so i guess what i am trying to say is, if you cant handle the situation youre in, you shouldnt be a cop, some situations will require you to deal with a foreign language, whether its dealing with illegal aliens or not

move somehwere else, and dont bitch

im all for equality but the irish can get fucked, contribute something to society or get out of earth!

obamas not gonna be assassinated, he cant be killed, hes a robot put in power by the true rulers of the world, seriously guys think about this...

smokey room with men in suits sittin around a big round table with tvs all around them showing world events happen.. an old guy with a big mustache clears his throat an leans in to say something.. "i have an idea of who can be the next president, and this time he wont be a complete retard... he'll be a ROBOT!" everyone looks at the old guy an start murmuring to eachother, some fat japanese guy stands up and says "mya roboticu companu hasu the techunologyu to do suchu a thingu!" the old guy then continues.. "then its settled... and just for kicks, we'll make him black, and his name will be Barack, cause it sounds like Iraq, Obama, cause it sounds like osama, Hussein, cause i have no confidence in american intelligence

circumcision sucks if its done to a baby, something like that shouldnt be decided by anyone but the person involved.

if you are for circumcision then how far would you go? say i have a 4000 year old religion that demands my babys middle toes be cut off, you dont need them, and itll be easier to clean between the big an little toe now. would you be for that?

if you wanna get circumcised thats cool, only cause YOU want to though, not your parents or anyone else, that is a serious breach in free will. just cause they dont remember the pain doesnt mean something wrong didnt happen, ill go beat my newborn cause he'll never remember it.

PS. why do people keep saying circumcised dicks are easier to clean? seriously ive never once looked at my foreskin in desperation cursing how filthy it makes my penis