ahhh its the crusades all over again!!!

At 7/28/07 10:51 PM, EndGameOmega wrote: I have read the bible, and I've not come back with this belief. If you honestly believe this, then prove it. If you do somehow manage to do this it will simply confirm that freewill dose not, and can not exist in a predetermined universe.

you want me to look up the example i used with blair? i will if you would like.

That's not what you said, and was not what you where implying, your back pedaling.

Ok, this doesn't further your cause in any way shape or form. The world is still deterministic, and god knows the future, therefor there's no freewill. Saying god's logic is beyond ours, means little. In fact it detract from your own argument, and implies that god is deranged, Logic is logic.

who are you to say what i was thinking? and why would you accuse me like this. it obviously doesnt advance my point .
i just dont want for anyone to argue a point that has no relevance just because i worded myself wrong.

i know for a fact that the govt doesnt own Boeing Aircraft which is where US gets almost all of its aircraft.
the govt wants companies in the US to do well because that improves our quality of life. decades ago the govt could have just bought out boeing and saved some money but instead they buy from boeing as just another consumer.

At 7/28/07 08:51 PM, Drakim wrote: Yes, my point, God could do anything he wanted with logic, but that would also mean that you cannot use logic when talking about God. To think that God would behave good because he is good is a logical argument. God might behave evil and lie a lot despite being good. There is no logic, so it doesn't need to be connected. The Bible could just be one big lie, and when you ask why he lied in the Bible despite being good, there is no answer. There is no reason to why he made the bible a lie. Abosultely no logic.

well first off i read all of both of your posts.
and this is my fault all along.
you misinterperated what i meant and with good reason. i apologize, i didnt realize i wasnt clearly presenting my thoughts.

what i mean is that God is not outside of logic, but his logic is outside of what the human mind can comprehend. does that make sense? i hope so.
Gods logic is lightyears beyond our own. imagine all the minds of a mensa convention put together compared to the mind of a sheep.

once again i apologize i didnt do very well communicating what i was thinking.

At 7/28/07 04:48 PM, Drakim wrote: If God is outside logic, then we might as well all be atheists, since we are logical creatures, and God would be completely irrelevant to our lives.

wow all you said was a lot of rambling crap. God is God. he can do as he wants with logic.
i try to refrain from personal attacks but you my friend are ignorant.

PS:
just for the record, i agree the whole peanutbutter thing is ridiculous.

At 7/28/07 01:39 PM, EndGameOmega wrote: That doesn't matter. God could be in time or out of it, and actually you'd have a better argument if god was in it. What matters is that something can know the future. This by the very nature of geometry and logic, prevents freewill.

Yes, which means things move in a predetermined way. Being the objects in the film reel may give the illusion of freewill, but thats all it is, an illusion. Being that things are completely deterministic means that the world will unfold in a completely predefined way. The only way you can argue this is if the future isn't defined, which means it isn't known, by god or anything else.

yes the the future of the world is predetermined. just read the bible and you know that true.
but you cant say that you havent made all your choices. every choice youve ever made has been made by you and no deity. him knowing what you will choose has no affect on freewill.
and please dont think i dont understand what youre saying. i understand exactly what you mean. and in a human mind thats perfect logic. but you see God is beyond logic. just as God is beyond time, which logic says is impossible.
it doesnt matter what i could say to advance my arguement, the bible says God is beyond time and thats why i said it.
if you read the bible, specifically daniel, john, and revelation, youll see that the world is predetermined just as in the bible it pretty directly says that blair will be the voice of the UN.
see thats future being told. but that did not change the choices blair made to get that position.

At 7/24/07 10:06 PM, EndGameOmega wrote: Which means the future is determined. What part of that don't you understand, if something can see the future, then the future already exist; therefore no free will. Your comparing it to a film reel proves my point. Have you ever watched a movie and saw the characters do something different? No of course not, because it's already been recorded. In order for god to be able to look at any moment of the film reel it would already have to be written, and is therefore immovable, and therefore no free will.

no, see youre missing the key element that to God there is no "time"
nothing which what i meant my a film reel he can see all of time just like you can see a whole movie at once by looking at the film.
but in what way does God know what youll choose affect your freewill?
say someone asked you "endgame would you like a cup of pudding or would you like me to bite off your nipples?"
well i would know that of course you will say you want the pudding (i hope)
but i did not affect you decision at all just because i know what you will choose.

At 7/25/07 11:39 PM, kingdarkeyes wrote: I would like to ask, just how can a psychic be created?

actually any psychic gets their power from satan (from a christian standpoint)
the bible says there will be no more righteous man-formed miracles.

At 7/27/07 04:11 AM, Demosthenez wrote: Now tell me what is more important, singling out a few policies you dislike and then deciding a country is not worthy of allegiance because of it, or realizing that all things combined, both the good and the bad, your country is worthy of your support so those that come after you can enjoy the same life you have.

o dont get me wrong, i love america and most of what it stands for.
i do and will support my country. im going into the US navy as soon as a graduate.
i just dont want to pledge my lifelong support of everything america will satnd for in the future.

people say im not a patriot because i dont like saying the pledge of allegiance.
but i just thinks its stupid to pledge allegiance to some worldly thing like a country.
doesnt it seem dumb to pledge your allegiance to something thats policies could change any day and possibly contradict what you believe.
allegiance is a lifelong loyalty. and there may be times in my life where i really dont want to be loyal to the wishes of this country.

technically that US Navy SEAL that jumped on the grenade to save his comrades commited suicide.
but if you are a christian then you could say technically jesus commited suicide because he had the power to not die but he was giving his life to save us.
and the bible says that there is not greater love in the world than for one to give his life for a friend.

yea i see it as suicide because you still made the choice to end your life.

At 7/25/07 07:00 PM, Woozyj wrote: Hmm.. never thought of it that way.
I mean, it's completely true. And I'm sure all of this happenes because of racism and sexism. It's really to bad how much people blow things out of proportion.

i thank you for being twice as mature as most people on here and being open to accept some points others make.

i truly think everyone should be treated equal but no matter what happens in society, people will think they deserve more. its just human nature.

At 7/26/07 06:58 PM, MalacodaAligheri wrote: using a hard edge feels like the only way to make a point stick. Euphemism leads to ignorance of the problem, and I have no pity for anyone who chooses to ignore a problem unto apocalypse.

now that is one thing youve said that i can definately agree with.

At 7/26/07 03:11 PM, morefngdbs wrote: That's all your capable of isn't it.
Snide , stupid remarks.
Malacoda, makes some good points, you are incapable of rebutting, so you spew a stupid come back.
why not head over to the general forum, remarks like yours are all over the place there, you'll fit right in.

but see if i made an intelligent rubuttal, which i assure you i am capable of, you probably wouldnt comprehend anything i said.
therefore i used an example to make sure that even the ignorant people can understand how idiotic their original attempt at making a valid point was.

At 7/26/07 02:39 PM, MalacodaAligheri wrote: (Adoption is no guarantee of a happy life for a child.)

theres no telling if anyone will have a happy life. so lets just kill all fetus' before theyre born, that way we can make sure they wont have an unhappy life.

At 7/24/07 09:15 PM, Woozyj wrote: It's all the same, almost everybody is on a level playing field now, I don't know why every problem or fault must fall back to racists and racism.

i agree with everything you said except this.
society has gone beyond level playing feild. now women, minorities, poor, and rich people have it better.
women and minorities get scholarships and even have universities just for them. poor people get free money from the government, and rich people are just rich.

if you are a middleclass white male, you are royally screwed.
actually you just have to work to earn everything instead of things being handed to you.

imagine if someone opened a whites only college. there would be huge rioting and it probably wouldnt even be allowed to open. but its fine to have a blacks only college huh?

At 7/25/07 12:54 PM, morefngdbs wrote: Fair, WTF just how low is your I.Q.?
Sorry, but your child who is in school ,is now considered by the law to be a person with all rights under the law. Depending on their age they may be exempt from certain rights ie;drivers license for children under age etc but I degress.

you said that the parent had the right to kill the human fetus. well therefore the parent should still maintain the right to kill their human infant. ever heard of the Fetal Stage? its a stage of human life. just like Infancy Stage or Pre-Pubesent Stage.
all are stages in life. to say that a parent has a right to murder their children but only in one stage of life is ridiculous.

So as long as stupidity (your claim to murder a child in school) isn't followed your assinign idea of killing a sentient being does not compare to killing a small group of cells that may or may not remain viable.
Plus Bill Crosby has already done the skit about killing your asshole kid then going with to bed with the wife & making another one that looks just like 'em.
;
Women involuntarily abort on their own all the time.
A girlfriend of ours just lost her second child. She wants a baby, her womb isn't being cooperative.

At 7/25/07 02:45 AM, GAHaaron wrote: I think of the human fetus (or any fetus while we're on the subject) as a parasite. It would not be able to form/live without a host to feed off. They are no better than ticks.

uh.. did you not souly rely on your parents up until atleast 2 years of age?
there can be no discretion on when a fetus becomes "alive" because it is always alive.

CONSCIOUSNESS:
so what you guys are saying is that if a baby is born severely mentally retarded, theres no telling wether is is conscious or not, so its ok to kill it because even though its alive, its not conscious.

so it would be ok to kill someone who was unconscious right?
cause even though they are alive they arent "consciously alive" therefore its ok to kill them.

At 7/25/07 11:15 AM, morefngdbs wrote: I believe the simple logic to a double homocide if a pregnant woman is killed has been overlooked by you guy's.
Only the female carring the fetus can decide whether she wants to keep it , or abort it.
If someone else makes that decission,< ie kills her & or the fetus> Then the full weight of law comes into effect.

but if that logic is fair then it is fair to say that i will have my kid put to sleep because he got a bad report card. being as i am the parent i hold the rights to my childs life.

doesnt sound to good does it?

At 7/23/07 08:25 PM, TheDreamingMan wrote: whites have far less hardships than blacks.

wow thats one of the single most unintelligent things ive ever heard.
i didnt know it was a hardship to get scholarships because of race. i didnt know it was a hardship to get jobs that you dont deserve just because youre black.
man, sounds real tough huh?
any man in the united states can become wealthy regardless of race. its about will. if you dont work hard you live in poverty.
so since you say poverty is a hardship for minorities maybe they should:
1. get a valid USA id.
2. get a job.
3. work.
4. dont do drugs.
5. dont get involved in gangs.
6. dont do any illegal things.

if any man does that he can live a wealthy life.

but you said it is like a parasite. it grows, it eats, it lives.
even if it grows like a plant. it does still grow.
and it cannot be classified as anything other than human. therefore its human right?

At 7/24/07 07:15 PM, tony4moroney wrote:

At 7/24/07 07:10 PM, The-JefFlet wrote: i dont understand why its considered a double homicide when a pregnant woman is killed,
yet its not homicide to kill a fetus?

That's because that embryo hasn't developed consciousness yet. Its not alive. As someone said previously, scientifically its actually a parasite. The law does however prohibit abortion after a certain time (sorry can't recall) and that's when its considered developed and alive.

but it is infact alive. therefore even if it is a parasite it is murder.
murder is defined as ending ones life. which is exactly what abortion is.
it doesnt matter if it is in a parasitic stage of life. it is still human. until science can come up with another name for the species that is an embryo it is human. therefore abortion is the murder of a human and thus proves abortion is homicide.

At 7/24/07 07:28 AM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Can i try?

The idea that a dynamic status of the natural setting of the planet earth selects whichever traits are most suitable for survival through the beleif that any specie physically and mentally well designed to survive in it's enviorment will have a generally better chance at producing off spring which in turn would create more of that specie with that particular feature; the more pronounced the feature the better the hypathetical chance of survival and the better chance it has of producing offspring which is what enhances the trait itself.

The general explanation to decifer the reasons as to why

Specie's of various kinds share similar traits with different specie, but are never-the-less different.

the theory of evolution is a paradox in it self.
because whatever it was that we "evolved" from had to be able to adapt to a very harsh and changing enviroment. therefore the creature, or cell, or dna strand or whatever we came from was able to survive better than humans. therefore the theory of "evolution" is much closer to explaining devolution.

At 7/23/07 09:28 PM, EndGameOmega wrote: Ok, so fine Daniel can't count no big deal right? Then how do you explain 5:30-31 "That very night Belshazzar was slain, and Darius the Mede took the kingdom... ". This makes the accusation that Darius the Mede took Belshazzar life, when it was Cyrus the Persian.

um, where in that quote does it say darius killed belshazzar?

Lastly like I've said before to others in this kind of argument, you can not have a valid prophecy and still have free will. Ether the future is unwritten and we can shape and make out own destiny or we can not and are doomed from birth to our fate. Prophecy = Know future = No free will. You can't have it both ways.

no like ive explained before, God looks at existance as if looking at a movie film reel. therefore we are making our own moves just like people in movies. God just has the power to look at any frame in time.

i dont understand why its considered a double homicide when a pregnant woman is killed,
yet its not homicide to kill a fetus?
either way the law is wrong.
either abortion is legal and its only one homicide charge to kill a pregnant lady.
or abortion is illegal and its double homicide.

At 7/13/07 12:00 PM, tony4moroney wrote: Well the Bible is the word of God right? Apparently the Bible and therefore godcondones slavery. So hey, why not?

the only slavery that happens in the bible is if one group of people conquer another group of people.
or if someone is sold into slavery by their guardian.

At 7/12/07 11:17 PM, Samen wrote:

just have unmanned space shuttles carry chunks of the polar icecaps out into space!

How would removing Ice cool down the planet? :S. Shouldn't we do the reverse?

but if the ice stays it will melt and cause giants floods and stuff.

hell yea get that fat tard out of US.
hes made millions of dollars by lying. that stupid mammoth.