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No, they were not conquered. And it's "!Kung".

They weren't conquered huh? So tell me all about how the Black
!Kung were ruled over by the white !Kung for decades.

I've never read it. Can I find it online or can I just get it in a bookstore?

The only way I can possibly see your society working is if every single person in the world decided at the exact same moment to do away with hate, greed, and war. So tell me, how are you going to do that?

Where are these !Kung now? Botswana and Namibia

That's like saying the Roman Empire is alive and well because we still have Italians. whatever egalitarian society they had is gone. Look at South Africa. It was totally controlled by whites until Apartheid ended only a few years ago. All three countries currently have a Strong Central government. Your Point about Europeans not having contact with these people is ridiculous. Of course they only made contact recently, otherwise their society would have been destroyed much earlier. That is why your society of total equality will fail. As long as their is one person or one nation willing to disrupt universal equality, the entire system crumbles. The Kung people were conquered by the Imperialist powers because their society was too weak, too primitive and had no real organization.

At 5/2/04 04:00 AM, RedSkvnk wrote:

At 5/2/04 03:57 AM, The_General_Public wrote: Hey guess what, there's a word for that era, PREHISTORY.

Fine. The !Kung of south Africa. Up to fifty years ago, had no structural inequality system in place.

And look at them... This only goes to prove my point more. Where are these !Kung now? Where are the great cultural achievements of the !Kung? Where is the church of !Kung? Have these people benefitted society in the least? And most importantly, where are the !Kung? their primitive society was obliterated, as is to be expected, they are gone. This is how the world works. Its not nice and cuddly, but its the only way. All we can do is make the best of it.

Government covering-up the fact that Americans have bravely died in the line of duty depsite the pleas the families of the soldiers have levied that the coffins be shown on TV so that the american people can see the sacrifice of their loved ones-GOOD

At 5/2/04 02:26 AM, RedSkvnk wrote:

At 5/2/04 02:17 AM, The_General_Public wrote: Give me an example of how I'm wrong.

Tens of thousands of years with humans in small egalitarian hunting-gathering bands with no chosen leader good enough for you?

Hey guess what, there's a word for that era, PREHISTORY. You declared that you had historical proof that humans have a tradition of being able to over-come greed, since the only example you can give is of a possible society that existed before the dawn of Civilization, one can only assume you have no facts to back up your claims Plus, we have absolutely no idea what happened before the advent of writing, the closest thing we can do is look at the behavior of our closest relatives. Chimpanzees, gorillas and nearly every primate species have a rigid power structure with a solitary male on the top, and a broad power base of loyal,weaker, younger males. Naturally, if Chimpanzees don't even have an egalitarian society, what could possiblty posses you you think that our ancestors did besides the poorly-worded essays of a few former Yale students? Most of the evidence that we do have(and by evidence, I mean hardly more than educated guesses) seems to point towards patriarchal societies in the Paleolithic through the Neolithic eras. So show me, give me one example showing a model egalitarian society ANYWHERE in the histroy of the human race.

From what I've heard of him, Napoleon was the ultimate General. I think he would've won Waterloo and if it wasn't for the little known historical fact that he wasn't at Waterloo to command his troops directly(which he excelled at, in truth he was miles in a barn suffering an acute case of hemhoroids*sp*)

At 4/30/04 10:35 PM, RedSkvnk wrote:

At 4/30/04 10:30 PM, The_General_Public wrote: If there is ONE thing that all people share equally its greed.

Your opinion is duly noted, and discredited by history.

Give me an example of how I'm wrong. I can give you plenty more. The Russian Revolution is a perfect example, the poor Russians serfs rise up against the corrupt Romanov Dyansty and the nobility, then what? The Bolsheviks take Control and become the New Nobility. They didn't improve their lot in life one bit. They just created a new ruling class to oppress and brutalize them even further. If the poor in America did revolt, there would be someone there to take advantage of the power vacuum and become the new rulers. Absolute Power corrupts absolutely you moron, it isn't poor=good rich=bad, its nearly impossible to resist the temptations of avarice and power when its presented right in front of you as it would be to all these poor "revolutionaries".

At 4/30/04 09:45 PM, Zalbun wrote: Why don't we just make a minimum wage for anyone employed in the US. I mean, wouldn't employers lose their incentive?

You read Maddox don't you? I think that's a good idea, but also acknowledge that it is unfair for illegal immigrants to "steal" American jobs. So I think immigrants should be paid as much as regular Americans, but corporations should be allowed to fire an employee on the basis of legal status if they arent already. That way we get a hispanic middle class, and no American-born citizens lose jobs. If the immigrants work harder than a natural-born citizen the solution is simple: shape up, before Japan's economy took off, American-made cars were rusty death-traps, but finally when we got some competition, our auto-makers rose to the challenge and started making first-rate vehicles. I also think that English should be made the official language. The language barrier is not hurting Americans as much as its hurting Latino immigrants. If they never learn english, they'll never get a job outside the janitorial and custodial paths. one of our greatest hurdles as a society is our failure to integrate different cultures and minorities into the American melting pot as we were once able to so long ago. In the nineteenth century, America was much different. Everyone had to adapt to the Anglo-Saxon protestant work ethic that settled this country. If America was settled by Muslims or Catholics(I am one so don't get offended) I think America would be far worse off today than it is now. But in the 21st century, new minorities(Africans, Latinos) have replaced the Irish and Italians of the past, and these minorities aren't being integrated into out society as fluidly as the earlier ones. And when different peoples of the same country are separate, our own nation is divided. and a house divided cannot stand.

Well, from a genetic standpoint I guess it is possible, Homo Sapien Sapiens and Homo Sapien Neanderthalis DNA is remarkably similar. In fact the difference is only a few chromosomes greater than the difference between that of modern humans of European and African descent. But most paleo-biologists would agree that while the Neanderthal brain was slightly larger than that of a human, it was poorly equipped for critical thinking and verbal skills. So yes, it is remotely possible that African people aren't as intelligent as caucasians in the most commonly tested fields(articulation, problem-solving) while exceling in other categories, but I find this all unlikely and that the main reason for prejudice of Africans results from the relatively primitive African tribes discovered by Europeans hundreds of years ago.

At 4/30/04 09:35 PM, RedSkvnk wrote:

It would be a way to redistribute the wealth. And why do you think the homeless would 'become the upper class'. Since when have they yearned to wipe their asses with dollar bills and drive gold-plated hummers? They just was food, a job and a place to live.

Well thats ridiculous. Save the "Please Sir can I have some more" argument. If there is ONE thing that all people share equally its greed. Let's say that the homeless all were given weapons. If they had the oppurtunity they would without a doubt try to become the upper-class, the top dog, doing anything to the contrary would go against every fiber of what our evolution has made us. A socialist government where all people are equal is impossible, humans are born with ambition. Capitalism just takes advantage of our deadliest vice and uses it to some good.

At 4/27/04 08:13 PM, ThePatrioticAmerican wrote:

At 4/27/04 08:10 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: They're no more sick than you.

Did you even read my article? Being gay is a disease. If we let them marry, then they'd destroy the sanctity of marriage. wake up.

Tell us then about sancity then, you sanctimonious bigot, do people with and cancer destroy the sanctity of the human gene pool? And how is homosexuality a disease when it technically does no harm? a disorder maybe, but not a disease.

At 4/27/04 08:09 PM, ThePatrioticAmerican wrote: I knew you'd all be blinded anyways.

Typical, anyone who intelligently dissents from a patriotic American's point of view is blind and wrong.

At 4/27/04 07:54 PM, FatherVenom wrote:

At 4/27/04 06:10 PM, The_General_Public wrote: Perhaps we're all looking at this the wrong way, [...]

This may be news to you, but this isn't a new idea.

I know its not a new idea, but since nobody brought it up, I figured why not hear what you guys had to say about it?

Perhaps we're all looking at this the wrong way, Maybe the government should abdicate its right to sanction and define marriages, stepping in only when pedophilia is likely to occur. I'm actually against this idea, but I figured bringing a new idea into this tired old argument couldn't hurt. and btw, I am without a doubt that homosexuality occurs often in nature, I say with a straight face thatr bi-curious mallard ducks live in my backyard.

And Edwards has the charisma that Kerry that Kerry apparently lacks

The book "Deception Point" would be a great read for someone interested in this topic. It concerns the privatization of NASA. In the book a group of wealthy entrepeneurs are angry that although they can launch a communication satellite into space at a miniscule fraction of what it takes the government , they are always outbid by NASA which always offers a much cheaper price since it merely uses our tax dollars and has no interest in profit. The book was written by Dan Brown(Da Vinci code guy) so chances are that just about everything he describes is accurate, since he researches to an insane degree before he gets a book published.

Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
-Winston Churchill-

They don't think before they speak-The U.S. provides more hate than any other country. Including anti-semitism, hate out for people of french background, hate crimes like genocide, and hate for immigrants.

I'm sorry, but that is simply ridiculous, Americans are not Rwandans, we do not "Exterminate" ethnicities and cultures that we deem undesirable. Americans may seem bigoted and closed-minded when it comes to the matter of immigrants because we have been in fact historically OPEN with immigrants. No country in the history of the world has had so many immigrants pouring into it at a give ntime than America during the 19th and 20th centuries, many people welcomed these foreigners but some of course were too accustomed to the old order to see that these new Americans were a good thing, not a horde of parasites leeching at our jobs. If other countries were in our position, I doubt many of them would be as hospitable, take England for instance, in recent years Immigrants from the middle east and india have decided to call Britain home, and already there are hate crimes being perpetrated against them. Americans today are frightened about Mexican culture "corrupting" our lifestyle, but as long as these Latino immigrants learn the English language, America will be stronger and more tolerant than ever.

Americans are just masters of Realpolitik. We do advance our interests interests in economically poor nations with abundant resources, but the fact is that we need to. if America suddenly renounced its position as sole superpower, what do you think would happen? It would be naive to say that all conflict would suddenly end and that we'd all hold hands in brotherhood and love, lets look at the statistics, the two countries with military budgets even close to ours are Russia and China. So really, do you want a failing democracy and a communist nation with nukes and millions of disposable troops policing the world?(they would police it, they wouldn't just stay put) Wouldn't you rather have a democracy? Imperfect as it is? The Bush administration is taking steps to prevent America that I don't agree with such as the patriot act and the literal suspension of habeas Corpus on many Arab-Americans, but I don't think Bush is Augustus and I don't think that America is Rome. We still have free speech, we can't have nasty old pop-stars flashing cameras during the super-bowl, but we can still declare what we believe in to the public, and the public can react however we want, being called a communist for voicing your opinions is wrong, but banning people from calling you a communist for voicing your views is just as deplorable.

actually a number of events in the bible have been corroborated in other historical texts from the time. Say for example, the Babylonian siege of Jerusalem, of course the Babylonian story is slightly different and more self-serving. I think that many of the rules and laws in the bible that are abhorred by liberals and moderates today made much more sense thousands of years ago. Say homosexuality, for the ancient Israelites, producing children was the number one priority, mainly because they had a primal urge to keep the Jewish race alive and strong, now gays represented the exact opposite of those ideals, they didn't produce children and were more vulnerable to venereal diseases(which could be seen as a punishment in the Jews' eyes. And also because Homosexuality represented pagan worship in neighboring countries. the Kosher diet as well is noteworty, Pork was a risky food to eat back then, it was unhealthy, and if cooked improperly you could get very sick from eating it. today we have medicine and sanitary cooking conditions, today we have more homeless children then we have responsible straight couples, and we also have better treatments for STDs. so with many of the rules, we should respect the good intentions of our ancestors but at the same time we shouldremember that times have changed in the past millenia. I do believe in God, not Zeus, not some bearded man on high, to be frank I don't know what I believe in, but their is something out there, I'm sure.

I'm kinda new to newgrounds and also a Final Fantasy fanm so naturally right away I watched the Final Fantasy parodies right away. But one thing confused me, one of the titles on the the Final Fantasy page is called Final Xtasy, by TOXiC, I'm guessing that what he did was just remove it from the site and just put a stupid little dancing stick figure in its place, but when I decided to look at the reviews for his final fantasy parodies the reviewers were very hostile towards him and mentioning something about his death, and the "Authors Comments" were well cryptic to say the least. Things like "I'm satisfied" "finally" and "Toxic is dead, he was an idiot, hurray" so could somebody explain what this is all about? whether he's alive, why everone hates him, and why his comments don't sound like they were written by him? Thanks