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At 11/20/09 05:01 PM, madzakk wrote:

At 11/20/09 04:21 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 11/20/09 03:35 PM, madzakk wrote: You got this from Faux News......LOL

You misspelled Fox News... What's wrong with Fox News? They are probably the only decent news network left. The others all make shit up and twist quotes out of context.

I spelled it right....look up the word "faux" in the dictionary. Fox and MSNBC are not news, they're infotainment.

MSNBC is infotainment, you are right on that one, but Fox IS news. In fact, I would go so far as to say it is the only REAL news source left. Certainly not "Faux News :/"

At 11/20/09 03:35 PM, madzakk wrote: You got this from Faux News......LOL

You misspelled Fox News... What's wrong with Fox News? They are probably the only decent news network left. The others all make shit up and twist quotes out of context.

At 11/20/09 02:52 PM, Prinzy2 wrote: There's a lot of money in global warming, everybody going green means that people spend a lot of money and these scientists get to keep their jobs in research. My understanding of it was that there was a general climate change cycle every 40-60 years.

I'll bet you're right! The truth is, man made climate change is a hoax and a massive number of scientists are lying to keep the popular misconception alive as "scientific fact". I realize it is a benefit our economy desperately needs, but it is a terrible day indeed when the very integrity of science and the Nobel Peace Prize breaks down.

Damn you science, you cheap whore!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,5760 09,00.html

It seems some clever hackers broke into the servers of some British scientific community and exposed e-mails in which scientists got together and secretly agreed to hide evidence of lowering global temperatures and such. This makes perfect sense as we actually had snow in the fall out here in Pennsylvania a month ago, which is NOT normal. If anything, we need a few more holes in that ozone layer to fight the war on global colding.

I applaud these heroes for exposing what common sense conservatives have known for a long time. Global warming is a hoax and these scientists should have all their degrees revoked. It is nothing short of a terrible crime that the Nobel Peace Prize was given to people like Al Gore. Seems like integrity is lost on scientists these days :(

At 11/20/09 01:55 PM, gamekillereater wrote:

At 11/20/09 01:15 AM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 11/19/09 02:24 PM, gamekillereater wrote:

You've just proved my point, you're a bigot.

You must be trolling. I suppose I am a bigot for hating murderers and rapists too huh?

First of all, give some links to back it up. Second of all, even nowadays you have books that are fiction but still pick a current situation, so even those have historical significance if time passes, meaning that the Bible isn't that special when it comes to historical significance. And I happened to know that the Bible is a collection, like

There is always the great wikipedia,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_a nd_history

Or something a little more professional,

http://www.christiananswers.net/archaeol ogy/

I do think logical and I'm not stupid, I can recognise sarcasm...
And it happens to be that you're the one being stupid right now, Christianity came after Judaism and before the Islam, making it not that special that Jesus is seen as a Prophet in the Islam.

Your point being...?

Now for jewish texts, most of these miracles were in texts that got in the Bible, I believe that there are several jewish books/documents also present in the Bible, such as The Old Testament.

Again, your point being...?

None of that in anyway invalidates the fact that acts of God have been witnessed and recorded.

Heaven is a reward, it's spoken of as a paradise, where only followers of Christianity are allowed. Meaning that you'll get a reward for being Christian.
And it's pretty clear to see that you've been heavily indoctrinated, seeing as you keep on saying that it's the truth, yet you aren't able to think outside the box or even back up your claims.

1) Christ specifically says you need only place your faith in Him and be saved. HE paid for our sins, we don't earn anything. What Christians do when spreading the truth is purely selfless and without reward.
2) Why do you say I cannot back up my claims? Have you done any reading at all? Have you not done your homework on what the Bible even is? Have you bothered to watch the video I posted already? Forgive me for assuming you were intelligent to do your own homework on the subject, there are certain facts I assume you already know.

First of all, you ignore the fact that he could've been crazy or have another reason to keep on telling a lie. Yet, if he was the son of God, or even part of God, as the trinity suggests, why didn't he respawn and stay to guide the people? That's just weird.

To write Him off as crazy is a lazy attempt to explain something without actually explaining it. He was certainly cogent enough to heal the ill, gather followers, etc... And He DID rise again from the dead, that is what Easter Sunday is all about. He whole purpose for why He died was to pay the price for our sins. As for why He didn't stay after that, all I can say is it is not our purpose to understand Him. It is OUR place to serve GOD, not vise versa.

Or he doesn't exist, and every thing that happens is just a matter of chance, and has a rational reason behind it. Not giving any signs of existence, isn't being vague or overcomplexity.

God has given many signs of His existence. Read the Bible and pick out numerous miracles (many of which are also recorded in jewish texts as well if you still hate the Bible). Moreover, many people who have been revived from clinical death have reported alarmingly consistent accounts of what comes next (I personally believe God allows this as warning). I end by saying once more: it is OUR place to serve GOD, not vise versa.

I'm sorry, I forgot that it was written by multiple writers, such a thing can happen. Yet my second claim still stands. "Thus making it unreliable, and you seem to have lost the track of what is reliable, for something to be a fact it, you should be able to reproduce it, none of the events described in the Bible can be reproduced."

So you recognize that the books in the Bible are written by many different people from different time periods and places, yet you still believe there is some coherent conspiracy among all the writers to invent some kind of a lie? Archeology backs up much of the Bible, and jewish texts corroborate many of the acts of God listed within. You have no proof whatsoever with which to declare the Bible unreliable.

He would not have died anyway. According to the accounts of the disciples, Paul took off a Roman solder's ear to protect Jesus until He told him to back off and gave Himself up willingly. Pontius Pilate offered the people a choice: I will release a murderer (Barabas) or Jesus. It was clear that while Pilate did not believe Jesus, he did not want to kill Him. The people left him no choice. No, it is abundantly clear to those who know the historical facts that only one possible explanation fits these events.

I don't even understand what you're saying here. But I'm quite certain that my claims still stand, since a series of events can't take away the chance that he was crazy or had an unknown reason to keep on with the possible lie. Or maybe he was just bluffing, thinking that he might still convince them.

Again, you are reaching for an answer instead of taking the most logical explanation. Writing Him off as crazy is a lazy attempt to explain something by not explaining it. He was perfectly cogent when He healed the ill. According to the accounts left by the disciples, he drew crowds to hear Him speak. His disciples left their lives behind to follow Him, so you know He was convincing and passionate. If He were babbling incoherently and bouncing off of walls, none of this would have been possible.

Prove to me it is the truth, spawn Jesus in my bedroom. See? You can't, therefore you can't prove anything. And lots of people die daily, regardl

I cannot spawn Jesus because I do not command Him. You act like I should be able to give orders to God Himself or He doesn't exist. Such is what happens to one's ego when they go atheist.

Indeed, lot's of people DO die daily. Those that are revived from clinical death have spoken of their experiences. Despite coming from many different backgrounds, some good people, some bad people, from different locations, etc... the accounts are alarmingly similar. The fact that many people die daily and the adherence of society to Christianity has slipped further and further away only makes this issue more and more alarming. I mean you no ill will, but I sincerely hope that one day, you too will have a near death experience and be revived from clinical death so you too can see what others have already seen. Only then, will you see why this matter is taken with such seriousness.

At 11/20/09 01:24 PM, Im-A-Pirate wrote: Inform him that's he not funny.

What are you talking about? Stephen Colbert is awesome.

I never eat at Burger King anyway. In fact, I refuse to eat at fast food joints of any kind because I value the sexayness of my sexayness. Fast food is nothing but grease, salt, and fat which is very bad for my sexay figure. Salt will make you put on loads of water weight overnight. Did I mention that I am very sexay?

At 11/19/09 02:24 PM, gamekillereater wrote: 1. Homosexuals shouldn't even be dragged in this conversation, since nowadays we live in a society where we accept people for who they are. Studmuffin7, you're a fucking bigot, paedophiles are dangerous to society, and necrophiliacs are mentally ill, homosexuals are harmless, I know it scares you, but most homosexuals are normal people who just have the equal sex as their partner.

The only bigot here is the one who thinks its cool to engage in rampant debauchery and rebel against the very fabric of right and wrong. There really isn't anything more to say here.

2. The Bible itself doesn't count for evidence simply because it has no other written documents supporting it.

In case you are not aware, the Bible is a collection of books. It is a compilation of many documents and historical records. Even if you are a heathen, the mainstream historians will tell you that the Bible holds considerable historical significance.

3. The fact that these cities have existed doesn't say anything about the trustworthiness of the Bible, for all we know it could've been some fiction written by some guy.

And I suppose all the other guys who lived in different parts of the world in different time periods were in on this little conspiracy. They were all so stupid weren't they? I mean the wall of Jericho, the plagues on Egypt, the parting of the Red Sea, etc... Every single one of those miracles, many of which are also mentioned in jewish and muslim texts by the way, must have been made up for the same purpose huh. (In case you didn't catch it, that was all sarcasm).

Seriously, think logically or stop talking. If something doesn't add up, don't post it.

4. You keep bringing up the hell threat, I find the idea of a hell and a heaven a very unlikely.
And another thing I will add to it, is that you kept calling me a person with a inflated ego, sort of claiming that only christians know compassion and selflessness, but the idea of a Heaven is actually some sort of a reward which you get at the end of your life(and Hell some sort of a vengeance), making all their help not really that selflessness since what they're expecting is a reward.

Why do you say it is unlikely? Besides the Bible, it has been witnessed by many who were revived last minute from clinical death (or even death in extreme cases). Try actually watching the video I posted twice before you speak on this matter further as I prefer to argue with educated minds.

And nobody "earns" Heaven. The teachings of Jesus are very clear. Accept Him as your Savior and be saved. That is it! That's all! None of us deserve Heaven, in fact we ALL deserve Hell. It is only because of the sacrifice He made for us that we are allowed to go. Do you really think I'm expecting a reward for my efforts in spreading this truth? Cuz I don't.

5. Jesus keeps getting put into this conversation, most of the time to attempt to make us feel guilty. First of all, crucifixion was a normal death sentence back then, so it wasn't like he was only given this death. Besides that, how do you even know other than the Bible, that Jesus performed these miracles and if he truly was the son of God, why did he go back to heaven and not just stay here in order to guide the people, what you're basically saying is that he was like "Fuck this" and left.

At what point did I ever say Jesus left? I specifically said He was crucified. And I do not bring it up to make people feel guilty, I bring it up to prove a point. Jesus could have easily avoided this extruciating death penalty if He would have simply shut up as told. The fact that He refused and went through with it all is proof that 1) He must have been telling the truth and 2) He really did die for our sins. No one indoctrinating Jesus into believing He was the Son of God, He said that. And nobody makes up a lie like that only to die for it. I bring it up as evidence that yes, Christianity IS more likely to be true that atheism.

6. In the current conditions the world is in, it's hard for me to believe that there would be a benevolent God, world hunger, global warming, wars and the list goes on. Now, some will say that he didn't cause these things, but even so, it doesn't really seem that big of a priority to him to stop it.

Don't bother trying to understand God. Such is not our place. We are only here to serve and obey Him. That is it.

The Bible is a historical account of people who were there. Even if you don't accept it as the Word of : God, it still possesses considerable historical value. Even to a heathen, that IS a reliable source of
information.

No, to my knowledge the Bible was written several years after the events and written by 1 person, making it a one person's view of it. Thus making it unreliable, and you seem to have lost the track of what is reliable, for something to be a fact it, you should be able to reproduce it, none of the events described in the Bible can be reproduced.

Well you are mistaken. Talk to a historian. Even a nonChristian historian will tell you the Bible was NOT written by the same man. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John wrote their individual books when they were with Jesus, Paul wrote Romans, Moses wrote some of the earlier ones I think, but they were written by individuals who lived in different time periods. The Bible is a compilation of all these books. You cannot simply make something up (Bible was written by one man) and claim it as evidence. Don't believe me? Go do some reading and come back.

Maybe he was crazy or something, or knew he would die anyway, because if he stopped preaching, he would be seen as a betrayer and a liar, which would also lead to his death. Or maybe he was still trying to get the people on his side. Bottom-line he could have had plenty of reasons.

He would not have died anyway. According to the accounts of the disciples, Paul took off a Roman solder's ear to protect Jesus until He told him to back off and gave Himself up willingly. Pontius Pilate offered the people a choice: I will release a murderer (Barabas) or Jesus. It was clear that while Pilate did not believe Jesus, he did not want to kill Him. The people left him no choice. No, it is abundantly clear to those who know the historical facts that only one possible explanation fits these events.

I totally believe you, I will get my coat and you'll show me the gate, right? Right? You're prone to get delusions and hallucinations about things that are dear to you, and besides try to imagine all of the people that have died in over 20,000 years or 3000 years as most Christians believe, and imagine them being put into 2 rooms, hell holding the most, you know how impossibly large they have to be? Good luck, trying to find your loved ones in heaven.

I'm sure I probably don't have all my loved ones in Heaven, that is why it is so imperative to spread the truth and not be so lazy and apathetic about it. People like you are more interested in a watered down version of Christianity because you are more concerned about making your practices fit within the confines of your daily life instead of vise versa. But as you so elegantly pointed out, most people now probably haven't accepted Christ as their Savior, many such people are on their death beds now. What the world needs is more men to stand for the truth and spread it, despite the disdain and anger it seems to invoke in others (like the OP).

At 11/19/09 12:00 PM, blazer133 wrote:

At 11/19/09 11:22 AM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 11/19/09 07:30 AM, xXShortEmoKidXx wrote:

At 11/19/09 01:06 AM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 11/18/09 07:02 PM, xXShortEmoKidXx wrote:

At 11/18/09 06:37 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 11/18/09 06:22 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:

At 11/18/09 06:13 PM, xXShortEmoKidXx wrote: I don't know what to believe in anymore.

At 11/18/09 06:16 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:

What do you mean it has no relevance? It is probably the most relevant thing in this entire discussion! Why would He allow Himself to suffer so unless He was serious about His teachings? I use that to counter the claim that there is no compelling evidence for Christianity.

he was serious over a lie, heTHOUGHT there was a god, ansd he beleived his lie to the point that it killed him

Nobody told Him or indoctrinated Him into believing He was the Son of God because He was the one who started such teachings. And, if it were all a lie as you suggest, why would He stick with it and be crucified? I mean surely if it were all a scam of some sort, it isn't worth dying for. Where's the profit in that? As I said, it doesn't add up. Think a little harder on this matter.

Actually, it IS too sinful to comprehend. Do you really think He would willingly allow Himself to suffer for no reason whatsoever? I cringe at the thought of the nails, let alone everything else. Seriously, just think about things.

he did not want anyone else to suffer, he was a saint. but he was NOT the son of "god." He was a normal human being like you or I with his vision clouded by HIS OWN lies of religioun

See above response. How did Christ's dying on the cross prevent suffering in this life? Truth is, it didn't. The blood Christ shed for us on the cross was to prevent us from suffering the Hell we all deserve in the next life. And really, you honestly think He died for a lie He made up? Any four year old from any household (Christian or otherwise) could tell you that doesn't add up.

The Bible is a historical account of people who were there. Even if you don't accept it as the Word of God, it still possesses considerable historical value. Even to a heathen, that IS a reliable source of information.

yes, but how much of it is a lie? they could have written anything in thaat old book. He think it's all true, but do we really know for sure?

What would be the purpose of such a thing? The parting of the Red Sea and the plagues on Egypt for example. This are not only documented in the Bible, but in jewish texts as well. If you were around then and witnessed God do that, would you really feel like messing with Him and making shit up?

At 11/18/09 06:17 PM, Mecha-Bear wrote:

Oh no, diversity. I bet you hate Jews and blacks too, you bastard.

Why would I hate jews and blacks? My stand against filth does not equate to a hatred for diversity. Funny how you make comments like this, then accuse ME of twisting other people's words.

So you think jews and blacks are filthy then? they'er people too yea know. skin colour has nothing to do with there personality. and jews... well, it's a religoun just like christananity, you guys really have no right to call them filthy.

What are you talking about? I never said jews and blacks are filthy. My stand against filth is against sin, against homosexuality, against pedophilia, against heathenry. YOU are the one who put jews and blacks in that category. Try actually reading my post deuchbag, it specifically says my stand against filth has nothing to do with jews or blacks.

Anyone who uses the word "homophobe" has instantly revealed themselves to be ignorant of the issue. To call me a homophobe is to say I am afraid of homosexuals. I am NOT afraid of homosexuals, rather I stand up against it as a vile and unrepentant lifestyle of sin. Pedophiles disgust you right? Necrophiliacs disgust you right? I put homosexuals in the same category.

It's a mental illness, it's been explained many times over. it's not thier fault.

It doesn't matter. Kleptomania is a mental illness too, but theivery is still a sin. Some people are prone to violence too. I'm not saying any of us are perfect, we all have plenty to repent for. I'm just saying, sin is what it is, despite how you feel about it.

Whose to say Christianity isn't false? I am a Catholic, but I often stop to wonder 'What if I'm wrong?'

Oh yes, that makes perfect sense. Jesus allowed Himself to be humiliated, beaten to within an inch of his life via whipping, had nails driven through His hands and feet, these nails held Him up on the cross, He was left that way in the sun for days, He was given vinegar when He asked for drink, and finally the Romans had to use a spear to the ribs to finish Him off. Of course, none of this would have happened if He stopped preaching, but since Christianity must be wrong I guess He held to His invented teachings and died for nothing. The miracles witnessed in the Old Testament were also equally meaningless too I guess.

Yup, all meaningless. He may have gone through all that, but what if he was wrong? dying for a lie? (bad example but what ever.) take the halo series for emaple, the prophits thought that firing the rins would take them to a new land, but in reality that were just going to kill every last liveing thing in galaxy.

You have yet to explain the gaping hole in your logic I've been pointing to since this topic started. Why would He make up a lie and die for it? Nobody would do such a thing. It doesn't make sense. And I'm afraid I have never played any of the Halo series before so I cannot attest to that, but from what you tell me nobody died because they refused to back down from the truth. A galaxy died because of other people's ignorance yes, but they didn't have the choice to live if they agreed to shut up. Such was the choice given to Jesus and He took the whipping and the crucifixion.

Because I am revealing a flaw in your logic. Perhaps you are not aware of this, but if Jesus had stopped with His teachings, He would not have been crucified. Answer me this: why would He continue to preach His teachings and suffer unless He were actually telling the truth! This is a question I ask of all nonChristians because the ONLY logical answer is that He was for real. Nothing else adds up.

He was blind to the truth, he made up a religion and believed in it so much that he thought it was the truth. he dies over lie.

You honestly think that makes sense don't you? Nobody makes up a lie and actually believes it. For the love of all things sacred THINK!

It is not a threat, it is a reality. Again, I post this as educational value. A great many people who have been revived from clinical death, and were atheists prior to their experience, report remarkably similar experiences. You can chalk it up to loss of oxygen in the brain, lunacy, whatever; but the truth is hallucinations and delusions are not shared! Assuming you are not too stubborn to see the truth, see this!

Yes, but even if you are an atheists, there are still thoughts of religioun bouncing around in your head, and probable just before they die, they think of that shit and thats where the hallcinations come from.

Besides. actions speak louder then beliefs. what if you are an atheists but you were a saint to all those around you, would you still go to hell because you idn't believe in some fake higher being?

Based on what the Bible says and what these people (some of them WERE very good people) experienced, I would say yes. Not because I want it to be so, but because that is simply how it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSgH2AHkf kw&feature=PlayList&p=01652508A34E808B

At 11/19/09 03:53 PM, xXShortEmoKidXx wrote:

At 11/19/09 11:22 AM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 11/19/09 07:30 AM, xXShortEmoKidXx wrote:

At 11/19/09 01:06 AM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 11/18/09 07:02 PM, xXShortEmoKidXx wrote:

At 11/18/09 06:37 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 11/18/09 06:22 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:

At 11/18/09 06:13 PM, xXShortEmoKidXx wrote: I don't know what to believe in anymore.

At 11/18/09 06:16 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:

You can't just say "ZOMG Jesus died for your sins!!!" in order to prove the existance of Christianity. Maybe Jesus was the almighty holy son of God before whom we should all fall onto our knees and beg for forgiveness from, and maybe he wasn't. You need more proof than the fact that he died, alright? A LOT of people died on the cross.

You are missing the point entirely. Jesus would not have died on the cross if He had taken the warnings He was given about not preaching, but He continued. If you got arrested and the police said you would get the chair unless you stop talking crap, you probably would. Unless of course, you were standing up for the truth. The others who got crucified were murderers/theives/political enemies/etc... they were not given the same kind of choice. And if they were, there is no doubt any one of them would have taken the deal.

Actually, it IS too sinful to comprehend. Do you really think He would willingly allow Himself to suffer for no reason whatsoever? I cringe at the thought of the nails, let alone everything else. Seriously, just think about things.

Maybe he DOESN'T THINK HE'LL SUFFER, dumbass. It's not half as unbelievable as rejecting gravity, because it's been proven to be true. Christianity, on the other hand, hasn't been. I'm not saying it's false, but you can't say it's true.

Watch the video I posted twice already that pretty much DOES define Hell as being as real as gravity. Until you educate yourself on this matter, you have no room to discuss it.

But you couldn't possible know if there WAS a God because you don't know for sure what happened either. Sure, there's the bible, but can you prove THAT is a reliable source? Not exactly.

The Bible is a historical account of people who were there. Even if you don't accept it as the Word of God, it still possesses considerable historical value. Even to a heathen, that IS a reliable source of information.

Actually, I look at it the other way. I don't look at it as a source of information, but as a source of moral support, like what to do when I'm in a rough patch in life. For the record, Heathen is an incredible offensive term for someone who isn't a Christian. Try going to Iraq and calling a group of Muslims 'Heathens' and see just how many times you get shot lol.

You can look at it as a source of moral support, but you cannot deny its historical value. Mainstream historians by career will attest to its historical value. This is not a matter of debate or opinion, it is established fact. And yes, nonChristians ARE heathens. I use that term because people have gotten desensitized to matters that SHOULD be shock and awe. And I cannot help the the fact that the Middle East has become a heathen mess.

At 11/18/09 06:17 PM, Mecha-Bear wrote:

Anyone who uses the word "homophobe" has instantly revealed themselves to be ignorant of the issue. To call me a homophobe is to say I am afraid of homosexuals. I am NOT afraid of homosexuals, rather I stand up against it as a vile and unrepentant lifestyle of sin. Pedophiles disgust you right? Necrophiliacs disgust you right? I put homosexuals in the same category.

Homosexuals are completely different than pedophiles or necrophiliacs. Pedophiles have sex with children either against the child's will (rape), or the child doesn't understand what is going on. Necrophiliacs have sex with dead bodies, not because they love the dead bodies, but just for sexual relief. Homosexuals have sex with people of the same gender, but they do it with people they love. SOME homosexuals have permiscuis (spelling?) sex with several partners, BUT the same practice also exists within heterosexuality.

I'm not denying that all three are different, I'm saying they are all equally offensive.

Congratulations, you went to go see The Passion and you know what happened. What in the fuck does that have to do with what I said?

Because I am revealing a flaw in your logic. Perhaps you are not aware of this, but if Jesus had stopped with His teachings, He would not have been crucified. Answer me this: why would He continue to preach His teachings and suffer unless He were actually telling the truth! This is a question I ask of all nonChristians because the ONLY logical answer is that He was for real. Nothing else adds up.

Maybe he was crazy, maybe he lied about being the son of God so people would listen to him, or maybe it was some other reason taht we can't even fathom. However, while it is incredibly logical for Jesus to be the son of God, athiests have every right to not believe it. First Amendment, bitch.

I'm not saying they lack the legal right to believe it, I'm saying it is foolish at best. If I wanted to walk off the roof of a building because I didn't believe in gravity, would I be breaking the law? No. Would I be dumb as Hell? Yes. Same line of logic works for those who don't see the simple spiritual truth in front of them.

It is not a threat, it is a reality. Again, I post this as educational value. A great many people who have been revived from clinical death, and were atheists prior to their experience, report remarkably similar experiences. You can chalk it up to loss of oxygen in the brain, lunacy, whatever; but the truth is hallucinations and delusions are not shared! Assuming you are not too stubborn to see the truth, see this!

I know there are people who die and come back, but then again, it still COULD have been a delusion, or a hallucination, or lack of oxygen, or something otherwise. We don't know. No one does, until they die and go to Heaven or Hell (near death experiences don't count).

I'm still waiting for you to explain to me how a delusion can be SHARED. How is it possible for hundreds (documented) and probably thousands (total) to have such "hallucinations"; all with the same experience. If you actually bothered to watch that, you would see people from all walks of life and various beliefs having similar experiences. Coincidence? I think not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSgH2AHkf kw&feature=PlayList&p=01652508A34E808B

At 11/19/09 07:30 AM, xXShortEmoKidXx wrote:

At 11/19/09 01:06 AM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 11/18/09 07:02 PM, xXShortEmoKidXx wrote:

At 11/18/09 06:37 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 11/18/09 06:22 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:

At 11/18/09 06:13 PM, xXShortEmoKidXx wrote: I don't know what to believe in anymore.

At 11/18/09 06:16 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:

I DO accept that Jesus was crucified, but I just want you to stop using that in arguments when it has no relevance to the argument whatsoever, which you have done several times here.

What do you mean it has no relevance? It is probably the most relevant thing in this entire discussion! Why would He allow Himself to suffer so unless He was serious about His teachings? I use that to counter the claim that there is no compelling evidence for Christianity.

He's saying that he doesn't believe Jesus was the savior, and therefore did NOT die for his sins. Or is this just too sinful to comprehend?

Actually, it IS too sinful to comprehend. Do you really think He would willingly allow Himself to suffer for no reason whatsoever? I cringe at the thought of the nails, let alone everything else. Seriously, just think about things.

But you couldn't possible know if there WAS a God because you don't know for sure what happened either. Sure, there's the bible, but can you prove THAT is a reliable source? Not exactly.

The Bible is a historical account of people who were there. Even if you don't accept it as the Word of God, it still possesses considerable historical value. Even to a heathen, that IS a reliable source of information.

At 11/18/09 06:17 PM, Mecha-Bear wrote:

Oh no, diversity. I bet you hate Jews and blacks too, you bastard.

Why would I hate jews and blacks? My stand against filth does not equate to a hatred for diversity. Funny how you make comments like this, then accuse ME of twisting other people's words.

I just hate people who use religion as an excuse to hate gay people. If you don't agree with what they're doing, fine, but don't be a homophobe online.

Anyone who uses the word "homophobe" has instantly revealed themselves to be ignorant of the issue. To call me a homophobe is to say I am afraid of homosexuals. I am NOT afraid of homosexuals, rather I stand up against it as a vile and unrepentant lifestyle of sin. Pedophiles disgust you right? Necrophiliacs disgust you right? I put homosexuals in the same category.

Whose to say Christianity isn't false? I am a Catholic, but I often stop to wonder 'What if I'm wrong?'

Oh yes, that makes perfect sense. Jesus allowed Himself to be humiliated, beaten to within an inch of his life via whipping, had nails driven through His hands and feet, these nails held Him up on the cross, He was left that way in the sun for days, He was given vinegar when He asked for drink, and finally the Romans had to use a spear to the ribs to finish Him off. Of course, none of this would have happened if He stopped preaching, but since Christianity must be wrong I guess He held to His invented teachings and died for nothing. The miracles witnessed in the Old Testament were also equally meaningless too I guess.

Congratulations, you went to go see The Passion and you know what happened. What in the fuck does that have to do with what I said?

Because I am revealing a flaw in your logic. Perhaps you are not aware of this, but if Jesus had stopped with His teachings, He would not have been crucified. Answer me this: why would He continue to preach His teachings and suffer unless He were actually telling the truth! This is a question I ask of all nonChristians because the ONLY logical answer is that He was for real. Nothing else adds up.

Remember, the average lifespan for guys is like...76 years? Eternity is eternity!

Again, trying to convince nonChristians by threatening them with Hell.

It is not a threat, it is a reality. Again, I post this as educational value. A great many people who have been revived from clinical death, and were atheists prior to their experience, report remarkably similar experiences. You can chalk it up to loss of oxygen in the brain, lunacy, whatever; but the truth is hallucinations and delusions are not shared! Assuming you are not too stubborn to see the truth, see this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSgH2AHkf kw&feature=PlayList&p=01652508A34E808B

At 11/18/09 07:02 PM, xXShortEmoKidXx wrote:

At 11/18/09 06:37 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 11/18/09 06:22 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:

At 11/18/09 06:13 PM, xXShortEmoKidXx wrote: I don't know what to believe in anymore.

You can't prove it, but you can't disprove it. The same can be said about every single religion or ideology that ever existed. Bravo, Shilock. Don't try to persuade people with 'what ifs' and 'maybes' alright?

What is your problem? ARE YOU SERIOUS??? Either you lack the forethought necessary to understand the implications of what you are trying to say or you are purposefully trying to mislead people.

At 11/18/09 06:16 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:

There is no proof whatsoever that he was crucified. I believe he was, because I just do, but you can't say that he was, because other than the Bible, which has several flaws in itself, there is no recorded history of it, and no body to inspect.

Actually, there is written proof. The disciples recorded it happening. Even if you dislike the Bible, it DOES have historical value in this regard. Moreover, Pontius Pilate and the Roman Empire kept records of such executions. Finally, the jews kept record of it as well. Even if you are a heathen, the accepted fact among historians is that Jesus WAS crucified.

Sounds reasonable. I see no reason why he needs to acknowledge Jesus if he doesn't want to.

Maybe in your warped mind it sounds reasonable, but what it is REALLY saying is "I'm good all on my own. Jesus suffered and died to save me but I'll dismiss His gift because I am just that righteous by my own merit."

Really, you need to stop trying so desperately to deny what is so blatantly apparent.

No. By saying there is not God, that is saying that he doesn't KNOW what happened, or that there was a big bang, or some shit like that. Making accusations like that makes you look like a huge asshole. You disgust me, you sick fuck. You spew lies and twist people's words around to make others believe what you want them to. No, you are not a man of God. No God would want you.

No, in order to say there is no God you would have to know what happened, otherwise you would not know for sure there was no God. This is as basic as logic gets so if you don't get that then just stop typing. As for the rest of the commentary, I have never read anything more backwards in my life. YOU and the others on this thread are the ones that are twisted. One even stated that religion should be abolished because he thinks moral decay is equivalent to advancement. Name one lie I have stated thus far. Your failure to understand what people are saying does not mean I am twisting words, it means you don't understand the issue.

At 11/18/09 06:17 PM, Mecha-Bear wrote: They are fucking over our world. If we didn't have religion, the world would be a better place.

Actually, they are not taking over the world. That is why homosexuals are allowed to marry.

Oh no, diversity. I bet you hate Jews and blacks too, you bastard.

Why would I hate jews and blacks? My stand against filth does not equate to a hatred for diversity. Funny how you make comments like this, then accuse ME of twisting other people's words.

That is why we are legally bound to tolerate it when false religions exist all around us.

Whose to say Christianity isn't false? I am a Catholic, but I often stop to wonder 'What if I'm wrong?'

Oh yes, that makes perfect sense. Jesus allowed Himself to be humiliated, beaten to within an inch of his life via whipping, had nails driven through His hands and feet, these nails held Him up on the cross, He was left that way in the sun for days, He was given vinegar when He asked for drink, and finally the Romans had to use a spear to the ribs to finish Him off. Of course, none of this would have happened if He stopped preaching, but since Christianity must be wrong I guess He held to His invented teachings and died for nothing. The miracles witnessed in the Old Testament were also equally meaningless too I guess.

The world would be a better place if people would just accept the very simple teachings of Christ and put an end to other false religions like atheism.

Agreed, so ALL we need to do is put all people of other religions into death camps. Sound familiar?

Remember, the average lifespan for guys is like...76 years? Eternity is eternity!

True, but can you prove Heaven or Hell really exist? No, you cannot. While at the same time, I can't disprove you, you can't just say something and make it so. You aren't God.

You are right, I am not. If I was, Hell would not exist. But I am not, and it does. Perhaps you should consider what those who have been revived from clinical death have witnessed, assuming you even care to hear the truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSgH2AHkf kw&feature=PlayList&p=01652508A34E808B

At 11/18/09 06:46 PM, gamekillereater wrote:

At 11/18/09 06:41 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 11/18/09 06:24 PM, gamekillereater wrote:

At 11/18/09 06:16 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 11/18/09 05:58 PM, gamekillereater wrote:

At 11/18/09 05:46 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:

You're talking absolute bullshit now, not believing in a God =/= overinflated ego.
And God isn't the answer, it's just adding another layer on this cake we call the universe, since who created God?

Excuse me? So you are incapable of being civil and logical so you start posting profanity?
If a person refuses to accept that God exists because they are too selfimportant to believe there could possibly be someone more divine than themselves they are egotistical. If a person believes they don't need Christ's sacrifice to be saved, they are self-righteous and insane.

Nobody created God, He is God. There was never a point in time in which He did not exist. The universe did not exist until He made. it. He is the alpha and the omega.

At 11/18/09 06:43 PM, gamekillereater wrote: I've refrained from quoting the entire thing again, but I like to point out a few things.

1. Many people had witnessed it according to you, but I highly doubt there are any sources from around
that time, besides the Bible, to confirm it, since most people couldn't write back then.

How does that purport to explain anything? Many people HAVE witnessed it, how else would they have written accounts of it? And of course the fact that many were illiterate back then restricts the number of primary sources we have. How does that change the fact that the Bible itself is a wealth of historical account of divine intervention and activity?

2. The fact that archaeologists find old stuff from around that period and it's being claimed holy or at least gets connected to Jesus is nothing new, since those archaeologists aren't stupid, if you say that it's holy it greatly drives up the price in those auction houses, and besides, Jesus, if he lived, would be unrecognisable making it impossible to identify him.

It isn't "claimed to be holy" it is of historical importance. Sodom and Gomorrah are cities the Bible makes reference to. Archaeologists have found it. Lot's cave is mentioned in the Bible. It too has been found. The fact that these places are found provides backup to what the Bible says about them.

At 11/18/09 06:52 PM, Mecha-Bear wrote:

At 11/18/09 06:37 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 11/18/09 06:17 PM, Mecha-Bear wrote: They are fucking over our world. If we didn't have religion, the world would be a better place.

I never said they are taking over the world, I said fucking over. They still are restricting society, if religion was banned everywhere, we could advance in ways you couldn't dream of. Go fuck yourself, you ignorant prick.

The only ignorant prick here is the one that assumes moral decay = advancement. When you say restricting society, what you are referring to are the moral guiderails that a respectable society should possess. You still think in terms of this life don't you? What would make my life most pleasurable now. Well the average lifetime is around 76 years or something, and the time you spend either in Heaven or in Hell is eternal. Anyone with half a brain knows this isn't a difficult decision.

At 11/18/09 06:24 PM, gamekillereater wrote:

At 11/18/09 06:16 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 11/18/09 05:58 PM, gamekillereater wrote:

At 11/18/09 05:46 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:

1. I do not think I'm God, if that's what you're implying, in the grand scheme of things I don't matter, but I don't believe in some puppetmaster that directs everything.
2. The Bible is not an evidence, it has been written by Man, and is nothing more than a theory, I can write anything down and claim it as evidence, but that doesn't mean it is.

1. I'm not implying anything, you flat out said yourself "I am my own god" in your opening post. If you don't believe in a higher power, then you are thereby declaring yourself to be as high as it goes. No matter how you slice it, your ego is overinflated.

2. Much of the Bible has a considerable amount of historical and archeological evidence to back it up. From Sodom and Gomorrah to Lot's cave, much of the sites where Biblical events took place have already been found. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John followed Jesus during His time on earth. Their books are therefore a primary source of historical information regarding the teachings of Jesus. In fact, many of the books of the Bible are written by those who have personally witnessed the parting of the Red Sea, the resurrection of Jesus, and other such miracles. Sure you could behave like an atheist and say "People were stupid back then", but that would only reveal your own egotism.

At 11/18/09 06:22 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:

At 11/18/09 06:13 PM, xXShortEmoKidXx wrote: I don't know what to believe in anymore.

Don't worry about what the faith is called that you believe in. If you want to pick different theories from different religions and mesh them together in a way that makes sense to you, then that's your prerogative. It's what I do.

You do realize that according to the Bible, those who do not accept Jesus Christ as their Savior will spend eternity in Hell right? Even if you cannot prove Christianity scientifically, you cannot disprove it either. Would you rather risk spending an eternity in unimaginable pain and sorrow just for some additional pleasure in this life?

At 11/18/09 06:16 PM, studmuffin7 wrote: The only person trolling here is clearly you, and the evidence is the Bible.

Circular logic.

"The is a god because the bible says so. The bible is true because it's the word of God."

More proof than just that. The site of Sodom and Gomorrah has already been located by archeologists. Those who walked with Jesus during His time on earth kept historical record of His teachings in the Gospel. Many people witnessed Him perform miracles. He then allowed Himself to be beaten to a bloody pulp and nailed to a cross. Pontius Pilate didn't want to, he thought Jesus was just a crazy man, but Jesus refused to take back His teachings. Ask yourself why He would allow Himself to be whipped to within an inch of His life in public, then have nails driven through his hands and feet and be held up by them on a cross that is pretty high up off the ground. When He said He was thirsty they gave Him vinegar. Why would someone go through all that unless... could it be... they are telling the TRUTH!!!

More to the point, atheists DO claim there's a greater being...THEMSELVES! You heard the topic starter say it himself, he is his own god. Can you even think of an example more concieted than that?

I don't think that's what he meant. I think he meant that he is the only one in control of his life, as opposed to the will of a god.

No it was very clear what he meant. By saying he is in control of his own life, he is saying there is no one for him to answer to in the next life. He acknoledges no Scripture, nor the teachings of Jesus who DIED one of the most horrible deaths imaginable, for his salvation. Don't you see? By saying there is no God you are saying "I am the ultimate power in the universe, no other power exists". No matter how you slice it, atheism = EXTREME egotism.

At 11/18/09 06:17 PM, Mecha-Bear wrote: They are fucking over our world. If we didn't have religion, the world would be a better place.

Actually, they are not taking over the world. That is why homosexuals are allowed to marry. That is why we are legally bound to tolerate it when false religions exist all around us. The world would be a better place if people would just accept the very simple teachings of Christ and put an end to other false religions like atheism. Remember, the average lifespan for guys is like...76 years? Eternity is eternity!

Humans will always find something to fight about.

No argument there.

At 11/18/09 05:58 PM, gamekillereater wrote:

At 11/18/09 05:46 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:

You're obviously trolling, because if it was the truth, where's the evidence.
And don't respond with the bullshit that we can't disprove it either, since atheists aren't the ones claiming that there's a greater being.

The only person trolling here is clearly you, and the evidence is the Bible. More to the point, atheists DO claim there's a greater being...THEMSELVES! You heard the topic starter say it himself, he is his own god. Can you even think of an example more concieted than that?

Perhaps you should stop cock blocking and being so overprotective of your skanky sisters. Is it cuz you're jealous of how much play they be gettin'?

At 11/18/09 02:23 PM, BioEthanol wrote: Hmmm.... Homosexuality used to be despised and disgusted by people much in the same way peadophilia is viewed today. But now people are much more accepting of homosexuality including myself, i do hope that Paedophilia does not become more acceptable much like homosexuality.

Well it is nice to know that there are limits to how far into the toilet society will sink, but I don't think homosexuality should be so tolerated either. Both pedophilia and homosexuality are flat out disgusting and their very existence is offensive to me. I know this is supposed to be the land of the free and all but seriously, fuck you (in reference to fudge packers and kiddy lovers, not you).

To the Topic Starter:

You have no right to be pissed off at others who spread the truth. It is others who should be angry at your destructive and offensive behavior. When you say "I am god of myself..." you are demonstrating quite clearly why atheists are fooled by their own overinflated egos. Consider the size of the planet relative to the rest of the known universe (and beyond) and once you realize just how small and insignificant you are, trying asking yourself once more if you are really as self important as you say.

This isn't so much a prank call per se as it is a hilarious way to torment a telemarketer. It was performed by the one and only Tom Mabe and frankly, it is a gem!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un_PjRXV5 l8

Israel is hated because it is composed of Jews living in an area surrounded by sand monkeys. More to the point, the sandmonkeys honestly believe that Israel sits on top of their holy land. The US provides Isreal with the weapons/aircraft necessary to keep these beastmen at bay while they resort to terrorism and other such pissing and whining. They keep trying to put a spin on things, telling people Isreal is not a country but an occupation force. However, the US and the UN recognized Israel as a country since the end of WWII and it has been ever since.

Area 51 is just an airbase for experimental aircraft. The United States enjoys having the most superior military & espionage aircraft in the world and they want to keep it that way. They continue developing, test flying experimental craft out there and keep it secret so no other countries and learn the technology for themselves.

Any and all talk of aliens is fun to believe in, but utter bullocks. If you honestly think the US is killing aliens and using alien technology to make aircraft for the sake of world domination you are an idiot.

At 11/17/09 06:37 AM, johndeepdale wrote: That was all just shit, you're an idiot!

The only idiot here is you, for the topic starter is politically correct on all counts. Go learn something before you speak jerkwad.

The problem is that you define progress as some vague, abstract construct of happiness and what not. The truth is, those of us who aren't lazy, drop out, pieces of shit define human progress in terms of technology and knowledge. Why? Because we are a curious race. When we look up to the stars, we wonder if we are alone or what is out there. For that reason, the people who are worth a damn will become scientists, doctors to help others in need, military personel to protect our interests, etc...

Those who are intellectually/physically lazy or just plain less than the rest of us amount to nothing more than menial laborers and whiners. Go back to your John Mayor records and leave the progress of humanity to those who are better than you.

At 11/13/09 09:05 PM, letiger wrote: Maybe they're gay?

Umm... duh, of course they're gay. THEIR RUSSIAN!!! Get with the program you dumbass motherfucker.

The whole notion of a "sex change" irritates the hell out of me. When you go in for a so called sex change you are NOT actually changing your sex. All you are doing is mutilating your genitals. A man is still a man, a woman is still a woman, no matter how you mutilate yourself or how many hormone shots you take. People who undergo such operations need to be ostracized by society.

So by now you should all know about the tragedy at Fort Hood Texas. What you may not know, is that the tragedy could have been prevented. How you ask? Let's look at some of the things Hasan did prior to the event.

1) Hasan prepared a 50 slide presentation entitled "The Koranic View of Muslims in the Military". In this presentation he basically stated that he was a Muslim first and a solder second.

2) He was warning his own fellow Army doctors and superiors that he was basically a ticking time bomb that some of his doctors and colleagues thought he was. He was citing Koranic chapter and verse for jihad. He was warning against what he called - so-called adverse events. In other words, other events over the last 10, 15 years involving Muslim soldiers gone wild, because they could not reconcile their adherence to Islam with their duty to protect our country and their fellow soldiers.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,5745 47,00.html

This should have raised some flags but it seems people were so worried about being politically correct that nobody said anything. 13 PEOPLE ARE DEAD AND 30 OTHERS ARE WOUNDED BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE TOO DAMN WORRIED ABOUT BEING POLITICALLY CORRECT!!! This just pisses me off immensely. If you suspect the man of being a ticking time bomb, detain his ass!

This just proves how fucking immature this nation has become. So what is so and so called you a nig*ger. Who cares if a man tells a woman to get back into the kitchen. What does it matter if a Muslim gets detained longer in the airport to ensure everyone else's safety. People need to grow the fuck up and get over it.

That is why I enjoy driving through "ethnic neighborhoods" and shouting racial slurs through a megaphone in an attempt to desensitize people to it. Only then, when people get some fucking hair on their balls, will I be satisfied.

Your thoughts on my rant?

I microwaved a bowl of my diarrhea before. Didn't smell very good :/