At 3/8/10 12:10 AM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote:
not really fucking unrealistic one thats not how EOD (Explosive Ordinace disposal) disarms and disposes of explosives, two you just can't go and hit another fucking soilder and get away with it. three when your in EOD you can't take off the suit.
That wasn't the point of the movie.
Also, I'm fairly certain that everything the SSGT did in the film wasn't things that he could "get away with".
I'm in the military too and I obviously called bullshit on the sniper scene, but I wasn't exactly going to give the film too much props for getting things 100% perfect in terms of military lifestyle and SOP.
You are too focused on the minor details that you missed the point entirely. I mean if you want to get into it how about calling bullshit that they have a XBOX 360 in 2004 for some reason.
It's not entirely accurate, get over it.
I mean, how about I start picking apart Avatar for its accuracy? I feel like debating the combat styles of those mechs. It's obvious that those Private Security Marines weren't handling their large hand cannons according to Large Hand Cannon SOP.
Looks like Avatar got snubbed for all the major awards and The Hurt Locker rightly got what it deserved.
It really was a great film.
At 3/7/10 10:02 PM, rubberducky7 wrote: I'd be so pissed if avatar wins somethings other than effects! The plot was so retarded! I'm not sure what should win however, just not Avatar, District 9 was pretty good...
The Hurt Locker was one of the most amazing films in a long time. THAT should win the Best Picture.
God, Steve Martin and Alec Baldwin are not funny.
At 3/4/10 04:25 PM, adrshepard wrote:
But let's just say you're right. If they've earned them, why do they need legislation to receive the benefits? Just a procedural practice, you say? How many extensions have the unemployed "earned" so far? 2? 3? Why stop there? Think of how many people we could "help" if we just guaranteed them unemployment benefits for life?
Do you know how an unemployment office works?
They don't just give you money. They also help you look for a job. You have to take said job if you qualify for it and if you don't then you are denied benefits.
I know because a friend of mine just got off of his unemployment. He was active duty military in Iraq, came back to reserve status, applied for unemployment and then got a job thanks to the office. End of story.
Besides they cut you off after a certain point and people don't just ride the system getting free money.
By the way.
Am I the only one who thinks its a shitty excuse to say that all the DLC will explain all the plot holes?
I DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE EXPLAINED IN YOUR 10 HOUR SHIT FEST YOUR FRENCH MOTHER FUCKERS!
In three responses.
Okay, to be honest I know exactly what is going on with Jim Bunning and the fact that he's just a douche.
I decided to formulate a new theory involving the Internet and Political Discussion.
The theory will be called The Health Theory. What is it? I'll explain:
The Health Care debate has gotten intense and seems to have exploded into new level's of discussion that spills over onto the internet. While I focused a lot on political discussion everywhere on internet forums and chatrooms there seemed to be an interesting pattern. Every single discussion eventually devolved into a discussion about Health Care. No matter the discussion eventually someone will mention Health Care and that will be the somewhat focus. Even if the political discussion has nothing to do with the Health Care debate it WILL be talked about in some way or another.
So, in full, The Health Theory is this:
If you talk about anything political the discussion WILL devolve into a discussion about Health Care. No exceptions.
Why, oh why, did he try to stop the expansion of unemployment?
I'm trying to wrap my head around this and can't figure out why since many Republicans seem to be fairly angry with the man as well.
If someone could explain to me the deal with Bunning and the unemployment benefits extension then by all means have at it.
I'd really like to know.
At 3/3/10 01:46 PM, bangyouredead wrote:
A little too close?
If my mum ever said anything like that to me, I think I would kill myself.
Okay, I guess that's a bit over the top..
I was about to say...no one is that close to their parents.
At 3/2/10 09:52 PM, Tribalbeat wrote:At 3/2/10 09:51 PM, NinjaDonut wrote: Keanu Reeves.He almost ruined Dracula for me.
BEYUDAPEST!
This topic is ironic.
Yes, that's it.
Global Warming causes people to Murder.
I don't think you realize how stupid this topic is.
I figured out it is going to be a bad day today?
Know why?
It's a bad day when, having a conversation with your mother, she inadvertently lets you know that she's sexually frustrated.
NO REASON I NEED TO KNOW THIS MOM!
MUST BLEACH BRAIN NOW!
I think is Quantic Dreams wants to make another game like this then maybe they should focus on the story not being so bad.
That could be a major complain in the long run.
Trust me, if Heavy Rain was made into a film it would be laughed our of the theater's by critics.
At 3/3/10 02:39 AM, Stoicish wrote: Also, I'm apparently not the only person pissed off with the plot:
Speaking of the game's dishonesty, let's get to the most duplicitous crime the game commits. While a player character being the killer is predictable, it could still have worked quite well and even been hailed as a masterpiece, were it not for one major problem: the game allows you to read player characters' thoughts. Throughout Heavy Rain, you are constantly able to press a shoulder button to read Shelby's mind, and not once does he EVER mention the fact that he's a child murderer, which you'd think would be a predominant thought in the mind of a child murderer who murders children. In fact, he thinks only like a detective trying to catch the Origami Killer. Yeah, that's what he's pretending to be, but why is he pretending it to himself?
Sorry, forgot the link to the review: http://www.destructoid.com/why-heavy-rai n-has-lowered-the-bar-for-game-narrative -165426.phtml
Also, I'm apparently not the only person pissed off with the plot:
Speaking of the game's dishonesty, let's get to the most duplicitous crime the game commits. While a player character being the killer is predictable, it could still have worked quite well and even been hailed as a masterpiece, were it not for one major problem: the game allows you to read player characters' thoughts. Throughout Heavy Rain, you are constantly able to press a shoulder button to read Shelby's mind, and not once does he EVER mention the fact that he's a child murderer, which you'd think would be a predominant thought in the mind of a child murderer who murders children. In fact, he thinks only like a detective trying to catch the Origami Killer. Yeah, that's what he's pretending to be, but why is he pretending it to himself?
At 3/3/10 12:26 AM, Gagsy wrote:
Yes it is JUST a video game, so why are you raging so much about one game that you never have to play again? You were misinformed about the game and fail to understand the storyline, that's your issue.
You know, I'm actually insulted that you assume I hate this game because you think I don't understand the storyline.
I know exactly what you are thinking. "Man he just likes stupid FPS and Final Fantasy. Doesn't know how to appreciate good games."
I understood the storyline completely. Shelby was trying to cover his tracks while at the same time investigating the millionare son who copied his killings. His motivation behind all of them was an attempt to find that ONE father who will do anything and everything to save the life of his child. Even though that motivation doesn't make sense or reflect ANY of the original suspects I have a problem making the killer a main character for the reasons I mentioned above.
I'm in his mind therefore I should know what he's thinking and I should know he's the killer.
Also, now that I think about it, how the fuck did that reporter manage to figure everything out? They don't bother explaining that to us.
I just DIDN'T like the story. You know...I might have been able to forgive this game if I thought this was the most amazing story ever. Really, I would have.
But it wasn't. I'm glad you liked it and could appreciate it in some way, but I couldn't. I didn't enjoy the so called "gameplay" nor did I enjoy the absurd story.
So it falls short in my eyes.
I hate this game. That doesn't make me a stupid gamer nor does that mean I have bad taste.
It just means I hated this game.
I hate to throw the whole, 'That's My Opinion" argument up, but really...it is. It's my fucking opinion and you don't need to be condescending about just because you get a stiffy anytime someone DOES mention Heavy Rain.
You are, by the way, being very condescending as some sort of defense mechanism to defend the game. It's like you are defending your wife or something.
"I'm sorry if you don't think my wife's jokes are funny...I can't help it that you are too stupid to understand them."
I just want to point out how ridiculous you are being.
At 3/2/10 04:31 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote:
Is all liberals do is take things people say and twist them? How did you get "no government should spend and amount* of money" out of, "if we don't fix these spending bills there won't be a future for anyone?"
Is all you do is assume that if someone disagrees with you that they are liberal?
I think I elaborated my statement well enough so a sleep deprived gorilla could understand it. People don't want to see their hard earned money wasted.
That's fine, but put an emphasis on why you think its a waste of your money rather than use a talking point.
At 3/2/10 03:16 PM, VGmasters wrote: If this is what you call a review, then it's the most idiotic review for a game I have ever seen. All it is is just bashing the game. You say it's an interactive movie and not a game, well an interactive movie IS a type of video game, like Dragon's Lair.
Dude...Dragon's Lair fucking sucked too. So that fact that you base your opinion off of that tells me that you'd consider anything to be a game as long as you can use the controller.
So there's not ONE thing that's good about it? I find that very hard to believe. I'm surprised you're actually 22, because people around 13-16 make these kinds of reviews all the time, they like to hate on a game instead of making a real review, which this isn't. I never played the game and from what I can tell I think it is great, cause of all the rave reviews it's got.
I was pissed, but there are a couple of good things. The graphics are good and the plot is engaging at points (the Shelby shootout scene is pretty cool), but I think it falls apart due to some major plot holes. Depends on how you enjoy a game. If you can take all I said and think that's fun then by all means have at it friend.
Like I said, this is not a review, it's just a rant on why you hate this game, there's a big difference. You're better off playing games that focus more action, cause this is an adventure game. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it shitty.
A review is a set opinion or "rant" from one person who will tell you to either buy the game or not. I mentioned every single aspect of the game from my point of view and then gave a clear opinion at the end. It sucked in my eyes and can't understand the appeal to anyone.
By the way, don't defend a game you haven't played yet. That's just stupid.
At 3/2/10 01:13 AM, Gagsy wrote:At 3/1/10 09:58 AM, Stoicish wrote: Things like, " I've got to hurry and find Shaun." What? Why? You kidnapped him! Why do you need to save him? We are in your head, but you don't know it so who are you fooling?He never once thinks that you idiot. He thinks clever things like "I haven't been sleeping right since the killings started again."
Wrong, I remember specifically at one point in the game where he thinks, "If I don't hurry little Shaun is going to die."
He thought that. He did.
Also, it makes you seem petty and ridiculous if you are going to call me an idiot. It's a video game, not your fucking Jesus.
At 3/1/10 12:38 PM, Dudeslikepie wrote: are you serious Heavy Rain was amazing
but i just suppose it wasnt your type of game then
I should point out that if people played Fahrenheit and hated it then they won't like Heavy Rain. I should have expected the same thing, but I guess I got something different.
Seriously girls, do you even know what you are doing?
Stop trying to do what man have perfected over thousands of years. You CANNOT Fap! I'm sorry, but there is not equality in that work place.
At the very best you are Squikers (you know...Squik Squik Squik).
But that's nothing compared to Fapping.
You fail.
Go back to the kitchen!
At 3/1/10 04:55 PM, poxpower wrote: It's a terrible movie that redeems itself at the end.
BECAUSE OF TITS
It kind of made me forget about the stuff that happened before that point.
You know...
BECAUSE OF TITS
Doesn't matter.
My countries second Amendment says I can own one so...
BLAST AWAY! WOO HOO!
You live in Denmark and obviously don't understand America.
It's a cultural difference between the two countries and you don't need to impose your ideas onto our country.
Douche.
It's an old 80's flick.
I must say I have never been so confused in terms of my sexuality until after I watched that film.
I was, of course, snapped back to reality when there was a showing of tits. So, at least I can be happy about that.
...
TITS!
Health Insurance Company to US Govt: HELP US! WE ARE COMPLETELY BROKEN!
At 3/1/10 02:48 AM, Lost-Chances wrote:
Wa wa, I want to shoot shit.
Well, it's obvious that you have walked into my review with certain expectations. That is that I am OBVIOUSLY an idiot and only like first person shooters. Taking that assumption I am going to assume that you are hopelessly in love with this game. Which is fine, but to assume I am stupid for hating it means that you are a hopeless fanboy with nothing better to do with his time than to defend games he loves.
Investigating might constitute to gameplay.
What investigation? You don't do much that the game doesn't "let you".
Pathetic.
They don't.
Apparently you don't like adventure games.
Below you are going to say that Heavy Rain is an interactive movie. Yet, right here you just said that it was an adventure game. Which means in a few short lines you are about to contradict yourself.
It's a tired plot? I can't name a game or movie which is closer than "a son has been kidnapped and the father has to find him".
Ransom, and that was off of the top of my head.
Funny enough, it's been advertised as more of an interactive movie than a real video game. Point null and void.
See, you just contradicted yourself. It's not a null and void if I happen to hate those elements and assume that they constitute a good game.
This is the part where you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. You die with a character and you can completely alter the ending. For example, if Jayden and Madison die (or Jayden didn't find the clues and Maidson dies), then Scott will confront you after you've got your child out. You then choose to kill him and Ethan is shot by police when he leaves.
Good, then that means I didn't have to try...did I? I can decide on one scene just to watch Jayden get his ass kicked by Mad Dog or I can do something about it. The fact that this game gives me the choice to SET MY CONTROLLER DOWN AND DO NOTHING denotes that there is something obviously wrong. You didn't really prove your point, but rather helped prove mine.
No, you don't get shit. You're too stupid.
Why? Cause I hated a game you love? Obsession is also an obvious form of stupidity. Calm down dummy.
Looks like someone didn't solve the puzzle of who the murderer of until it was told to him.
No, I got the "good ending" and I still hated it.
Yes yes, it's silly and the analogue stick doesn't work for altering movement well...
Again, it was advertised as an interactive drama, not a game. Don't you listen?
Yes, but the term "interactive" denotes that I am actually doing more than what is allowed.
No, it's not.
Opinion crossroad. On the one hand you love it, but I hate it.
Listen to the damn story. His brother drowned because his father couldn't be fucked to save his brother from his foot being trapped in a pipe for rain water. So he went around testing fathers to see if they would be willing to go through the trials to save their son. This is explained after you (because it's obvious) fucked up on Jayden and either accused Blake or quit all the way until the end.
No no, I got it. I saw that scene where the little kid said Scotty and everything. Which made me go, "What the fuck!? HE'S THE KILLER!? ARGHAGADAHGA!" Seriously, that pissed me off.
He covered his crimes up by making himself seem innocent while collecting the evidence everyone has on him.
Why didn't he bother collecting that envelope he sent to Ethan? OH snap! Another plot hole.
Here's a basic concept: If you played as Scott, went around the back and watched Scott kill his friend for no apparent reason, you'd probably quickly realise that he's the killer or at least something was off. So, yes, the scene was cut and put in later.
That's still bad narrative. The people making the game should have made it happen in some cut away scene. Instead they totally fucked up in attempts to mask the fact that he's the killer. This would be like reading a book where a third person narrative told you everything that happened, but went back a changed a few details in the ending. This doesn't work well for visual stories and I'd be just as pissed if it happened during a movie. Actually, probably more so.
Oh yeah, of course he's going to think that.
Let me explain to you, in a narrative, just how a first person narration works. I (me the reader, watcher or player) are in the mind of Scott Shelby. In a book if you are in the mind of a character this means that you know everything that he is thinking. In the Dexter books they CAN be about Dexter going to work, loving on Rita and taking care of his sister, but they aren't. You know why? Because we are in the mind of Dexter. We know that he has killed people. It's always on his mind.
While, in terms of story, Heavy Rain is different the concept is the same. We are in the mind of Scott Shelby and never ONCE does his mind go to the fact that he knows where Shaun is. No because suddenly it switches in and out of first and third person narrative without provocation. Suddenly, I'm in the mind of the character, but when it's convenient I'm not? How does that work? Explain that to me. Explain to me that if you were a killer that you wouldn't once think about the people you killed or the child that is about to die or about the past.
To make this kind of narrative worse is that when you DO think about things they are kind of counteractive to what Scott's intentions are. That would be fine if he was saying it to other people, but he is thinking to himself. Things like, " I've got to hurry and find Shaun." What? Why? You kidnapped him! Why do you need to save him? We are in your head, but you don't know it so who are you fooling?
It just seems odd and completely out of place when he is the killer. A bad way to tell the story. Then again I study literature in college so I could be too stuck up about how stories are told. To the average person this is a bombshell and an interesting twist.
To me it's stupid and a horrible way to tell a story.
Likely explained in later DLC.
DLC? Seriously? That is a pretty flimsy excuse and unlikely. Also, if they bother to explain it in DLC then that kind of pisses me off more because they should have done it during development.
Invalid point, although I laughed how flamboyant Jayden sounds in some scenes. It's like a
Well, when a game intending to be as immersive as Heavy Rain it seems like a good point. I am supposed to be drawn into every little detail of the game and story. That kind of fucks up when I'm playing an American character who doesn't sound very American (all the voice actors are British or French). In fact listen to Ethan at some points. He speaks plain as day at some points, but in others there is just something wrong about his tone and the way he says some words.
I'd say the ending was worth it.
Meh, I was underwhelmed.
I'm glad you did, as opposed to the time being used to jack-off and laugh at anime programs with a mouth full of crisps.
Assumptions make a ass out of you an muptions.
I'm sure he'll love it.
Maybe he will, I dunno. Probably not seeing how we pretty much share the same tastes.
What kind of gamer do you think I am? Some Halo loving ADD riddled XBOX live player? Hell to no. I hate Halo.
I am aware that there is a Heavy Rain topic, but I don't think my review will fall in the line of that discussion.
I hate this game. I hate the idea that anyone liked this game. I hate hate hate HATED this fucking game.
I hate the so called gameplay and it's assumption that moving a stick or just pressing a button at the right time constitutes a game.
I hate the voice actors and their inability to pronounce the word "Origami"
I hate the plot and the massive FUCK plot hole that it leaves wide open that a third grader would be able to spot.
I hate the controls and the idea that moving with R2 was considered to be a good idea.
I hate Heavy Rain.
I banked on the hopes that Heavy Rain would be a good game. Most critics hold Heavy Rain to a high standard with most of the scores being a 8.5 to 9.5. That is good considering most games I play that is scored that high I consider to be good games. They missed the mark on this one in the worst kind of way.
Heavy Rain stars four main characters that you play. Ethan, Madison, Scott and Jayden all of which are stuck together in this plot to find the Origami killer before he lets Ethan's young son Shaun die. Now, let's get this out of the way. The plot is tired, but the way they tell it is pretty good. Up until the point where you actually find out who the Origami killer is in which case the plot doesn't hold itself up anymore and you begin to hate every aspect of it.
Now, let's tackle the gameplay first. This is not a video game. Fuck you, this is not a video game. This is an interactive movie in every way. Here is why it is NOT a video game. Heavy Rain has you move your character around, but that is pretty much all the control you have over their actions. Anything else is you just reacting to something that is happening to your character and the plot develops around that. This would be, I guess, okay if the plot didn't suck. Yet, this still leaves out the fact that this game is very linear and only requires you to react when you want to or if required. In theory you could not touch the controller at all (except when you need to walk) and the game will play out.
That is fucking retarded. This is why it is an interactive movie and not a video game. In which case movies usually cost $25 and I want a $35 refund.
Someone tried to tell me this was an Adventure game, but NO it is not. An adventure game can have the same elements as Heavy Rain, but you are usually more involved. You have an item list or you solve puzzles or both. In Heavy Rain you do no such thing. You only do what the game allows you to do which seriously limits the gameplay elements and my patience.
Also, whoever thought moving around using R2 needs to be shot between the eyes. That is NOT very fun. They could have just replaced all the motions required for action with the left analog stick rather than have me use both. The idea that I need to use to the left one to move my head is just stupid and unnecessary. It requires more work and leaves for clunky gameplay.
To finish with this point; any emotion of excitement I had with this game wasn't a result of actual gameplay, but rather a emotion I was feeling as if I was watching a movie. There is one scene in the game where Scott comes gunning for an old billionaire. You, of course, press the right buttons to trigger your gun, but that wasn't really gameplay. It felt more like I was just interacting with a movie. It was cool, but not a game.
Now, the plot.
It's stupid.
SPOILER ALERT!
Scott is the Origami killer. The funny thing is that there is not hint that he may be the killer. Instead we are left with a gaping plot hole to explain WHY he is the killer.
First, why would Scott want to investigate himself? He had every reason to cover up his crimes in the end and yet he went through all the trouble to bring someone along with him.
Second, you have control of Scott most of the time when you play him. There is an instance where Scott kills a friend of his to cover his tracks. However, you have complete control of Scott when the murder happens and do not see him do it. However, later on it just decides to let you know that Scott DID kill him.
HOW THE FUCK AND WHEN THE FUCK DID THIS HAPPEN!?
Lastly, in terms of narrative this really sucks. Because we are all in a first person narrative. We are in the minds of the characters and we know everything they are thinking. Therefore if we know everything Scott is thinking then we should figure out that he is the FUCKING KILLER! In fact you press L2 to go into their mind to figure out what they are thinking. Oh wait a second, where is the thought where he goes, "I'm the killer by the way. You just wasted $60. Go jerk off now and cry bitches cause these French developers are making bank off of your hard earned money."
Also, one of your characters Ethan, has blackouts and it is revealed that he may possibly be the Origami killer. However, they don't bother to explain where he is during those blackouts and the possibility fizzles out for a new one involving Scott. Yet, they still don't bother to explain where Ethan is during the blackouts and why he is holding an Origami figure. This is a major plot element and they essentially throw it away.
Also, who the fuck picked these voice actors? The child actors suck...I mean horribly. It seems like someone told them, "Read this before you can watch TV." The adult actors aren't any better. For example, Jayden, is a British man really trying hard to sound American. So when he talks it sounds distant and almost Bostonian, but not quite American. Also, everyone pronounces Origami as Oryigaymi and I'm pretty sure if this game took place in Boston that everyone would pronounce words weird. This, however, seems to be the only word that people can't seem to pronounce right and it's kind of annoying.
The ending kind of fizzles out and becomes something boring and uneventful. After all that work and going through the 10 hour game you get an ending that isn't even worth your time.
So in the end...I wouldn't waste my time with this game.
I hated this so much that I'm sending it to a friend who lives in New Hampshire and overnight package with the game. Just so he can know how bad this game is.
I also just don't want it in my house anymore. I hate it that much.
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