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I'd say Kingbastard, because he has a sound that is entirely his own, regardless of what genre boundaries he crosses over, thought it is mostly electronic, he can do guitar, and he can do hearbreaking singing, well maybe not that bad mate :P
Serious tho, good artist with a large volume of work, sadly now missing from the portal.
If you like electronic music tell me and i'll think about giving you my email address :)
You're more likely to get it if you are uk based, as i want the guy to do well here :)

At 4/10/05 12:17 PM, insanatic wrote: If you were to record multiple instruments for a song, in detail what hardware and programs would you use? I have used Audacity and some decent mics and just put them in the back of the computer in the mic input. The quality isn't that good though. What would you do for this? What would you use?

I personally would use the best mic's available, but i know fuck all about that. You need to get quality of sound best first, not volume as you can boost or lower than in a mixer afterwards. Get an idea of what volumes the mics can take at what distance. It will differ from instrument to instrument.

Record all instruments separately whilst listening to a metronome to get the timing about right.

Remaster each instrument to get the sound quality the best for each instrument, then add volume envelopes if necessary etc.

How much you have to dick about with mixing depends how good a live artist you are,

At 4/10/05 09:46 PM, Grim_T wrote: I use it for audio recording only, so yeah. I don't have a midi, so I can't use it for midi sequencing. I just use it also for the mixer included on the "audio" menu. It includes a bevy of effects, which is cool.

Oh right, not seen that yet i dont think, not sure. Like i say SX2 nearly made me cry so i got acid instead. Is Cubase/is 5 worth the moolah?

At 4/10/05 11:09 PM, Cronoze wrote: id help but i dont understand what your saying

LOL

Am i crap at talking or is english your second language?

Thanks for the comment anyway, made me smile.

At 4/10/05 11:44 PM, fli wrote:

How soon do you need it doing for? Only its 5 am here and i'm supposed to be in college in 4 hours.... since its too late to go to bed, i'll have a go now if you like.

At 4/10/05 11:44 PM, fli wrote: I recorded from this Vinyl plastic thing at the library, and it has that horrible noise sound. It's an books on "tape" of A Modest Proposal by Swift. I need this file as a lesson plan (for school) so I would like to have it more or less decent.

For 5 bucks I need 1.) remove as much noise as possible, 2.) Chop it up in smaller approximately 3 minute tracks, and 3.) Make it generally better. I tried to use Audacity, but I suck at fixing audio...

The file is about 26 minutes long. Anyone intrested?
It's 5 bucks only, but for the work's effort-- why the Hell not?

If you have already recorded it, i'll have a go for practice, forget the 5 bucks, it'd cost you more to get it to me, as i'm in the uk. email it to jollycakes@hotmail.com

At 4/10/05 06:43 AM, _Nevyn_ wrote:

At 4/9/05 05:30 PM, SpamWarrior wrote: Brings me on to the issue which someone raised earlier. It is nearly always something small and fluffy that is getting 'liberated'. Rats, mice, rabbits.

they also use monkeys, dogs and cats, fish, birds, bats, insects, snakes...

Indeed, but not as many people would give a shit if the fluffy ones were ok and unharmed.

All these creatures if left unchecked could actually eat all the food in the world in a century or two, just based on sheer rate of breeding. I'm glad nature has natural controls called the relationship between predator and prey.

no they cant. nature will always balance stuff. (exept ifsome dumb animal makes holes in the atmosphere!!) if the rabbit eats to much, the plants will probably make some kind of a venom to supress the rabbit population. it has happened before.

I did mention nature has controls, what i mean to say is that these species are in no danger of extinction, as they are bred and breed easily to be tested on. The point is, without medical testing, soon WE could be extinct, and then if there was some kind of problem affecting nature, such as an undesirable mutation with worldwide impact, there would be no one left who understood to do anything about it.

None of these motherfuckers seem to care about the more savage animals.

i care. i care as much for a crocodile then a fluffy rabbit. the only animal i dont care about is a bee. (i hate those ;_;)

Heh, i dont either, but i dont care about the emotions of animals.

I've yet to hear of a crocodile getting liberated, or a killer whale, or a type of mosquito getting rescued.

it happens, they just dont put it in the newspapers. believe me, animal activist are saving mosquitos, wild dogs, scavengers, etc....

Possible, suppression of knowledge is widespread. I'm still yet to hear of it tho, I seriously hope no one is dumb enough to save a creature that has been experimented upon in a lab, that is known for spreading infectious diseases. If they get caught they should be shot dead for endangering large amounts of humanity. There are two reasons to save mosquitos from labs
1. You are a retard with no sense of the risk involved to yourself and humanity.
2.You know the risks, and dont care because you seek fame or power through a biological weapon.

I know 2. sounds insane, but no one knows what goes on in these labs, exactly what the research truly is.

Its all based purely on the "aaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww" factor.

thats human nature.

Indeed

At 4/9/05 06:13 PM, Damien_FLAGG wrote: Nature doesn't care about souls, whether they exist or not.
Look, I'll say it again...everything is nature. If humans, by being animals, are a part of nature...then what mankind does to it's enviroment is not just completely normal, but actually expected.

no, what mankind does to animals is different. if a fox kills a rabbit, he is going to eat them. humans do the same thing, they kill animals to EAT them. animal CRUELTY is if a human kills a animal for no reason. he isnt going to eat the animal, or use anything of the animal, so the animal was needlessly killed. that is animal cruelty, and its completely different from what animals do.

Indeed, unneccessary cruelty is wrong, i entirely agree. Where we disagree is on that definition it seems :)

We're the top of the food chain, because we've advanced (in many aspects) leagues ahead of every other species. That makes us no less a part of nature...but having that status, as ultimate head of the food chain, carries expected roles. We're consumers, and users.

i dont think humans are on top of the food chain. in seas, the orca is on top, and on land, it varies from area to area. sure, humans eat all animals, but they do it whit the help of machines. the human being itself cannot kill a bear for example, so the bear stands above the human.

The human being one one one would find it diffitcult to beat a human based on brute strength. This is why we evolved brains and group tactics to deal with food and predators. If you regard a sharp stick as a machine or tool fair enough, i get your point.
We are superior to animals, and the proof is because we beat them long enough to evolve even more.

At 4/9/05 06:13 PM, Damien_FLAGG wrote:

At 4/8/05 01:10 PM, SgtSandbag wrote: Although I think animals should still have basic rights, I want to respond to what Damien Flagg wrote about humans being animals. Indeed we are animals, but we are capable of abstract thought.

So the fuck what? That does not change our status as animals.

Last time I checked, a dog can't ponder the universe or decipher emotion or complex problems. Also, humans are the only animals who theoretically have a soul, so that sets up above most life.

Nature doesn't care about souls, whether they exist or not.
Look, I'll say it again...everything is nature. If humans, by being animals, are a part of nature...then what mankind does to it's enviroment is not just completely normal, but actually expected. We're the top of the food chain, because we've advanced (in many aspects) leagues ahead of every other species. That makes us no less a part of nature...but having that status, as ultimate head of the food chain, carries expected roles. We're consumers, and users.
What humans do to animals is no different than what animals do to animals. Our knack for sentience and cognitive thinking does not make us any more responsible than any other organism, on this planet.

Those in charge have responsibilities to carry out. As the dominant life force we must look after the planet and not allow all animals to become extinct. This doesnt mean we cant eat them or experiment on them. In fact, by doing animal testing we help ourselves live longer, and hopefully we'll get the intelligence to not damage the planet and destroy all life on earth.

At 4/10/05 09:52 PM, SkyCube wrote:

At 4/10/05 09:48 PM, King_Hammurabi wrote: One thing that I don't understand is why most college professors tend to be left-wing. It makes no sense to me. Most college professors are rich, so I would expect them to be right-wing, but this is not the case. What do you think is the reason that most college professors are left-wing?

Well because they're all brainwashed by the heathen liberal media duh!!!!11 It's soooo obvious!

LOL

I dont know who your victim is or what youre point is, but that was funny.

Most likely college profs are hippy types who saw through the capitalist system, and believe the best way is to transmit left wing values. They may help a little, but the fact that they've gotten rich under a capitalist system dilutes the message.

At 4/10/05 11:12 PM, Cronoze wrote: theres a band called flogging molly if you edit out where they start singing on 1 of there slow songs you could prolly get up to 30 seconds of cool calm music

As much as a i love flogging molly, i dont think irish folk-punk rock (better than it sounds!) would suit this is bull, as he is a an electronic artist.

At 4/10/05 09:56 PM, Grim_T wrote:

At 4/10/05 04:51 PM, SpamWarrior wrote: stuff

Heh. I have only gotten bruises from Aikido, but that's inevitable, as ppl aren't perfect. And I haven't gotten my ass beat in a fight since I got to fourth kyu, though I'm nowhere near perfect. And our style is a softer style of aikido (we follow T.K. Chiba shihan). We don't hurt ppl that often, it's just that yonkyo puts pressure on the nerve nexus in your forearm/wrist for omote, and puts pressure on the side of your bone on ura.

i've got a gammy wrist from a rollerblading accident, so its all painful. The limb pain i can take, its just the spine pain that really scares me. Moral of the story, never mix psychedelics and martial arts, its never a happy ending.

At 4/10/05 10:40 PM, Elfer wrote: Just to address the classic "Who would do such and such skilled job when they could be a pin monkey instead" point, I want to say this. I personally would take the harder job.

Even if it paid the same as a sandwich construction agent, I would still go into chemistry, because it's what I'm good at, it's what I'm interested in, and it's what I'd like to go on to do for a living.

There are motivations for personal achievements other than monetary gain.

I'm glad i'm not alone in this view. The factor that can drive you is boredom.

Assume that everyone gets the same pay, therefore people will get bored of doing shit jobs, and would want to learn something more interesting. Those who are clever would perhaps get fame, get a theory or something named after them like all science and inventors before them, and perhaps an extra bit of food or something.
Rewards are not wrong, but seeking satisfaction dependent on from material goods is just plain sad.

At 4/10/05 08:17 PM, JohnRice wrote: Pro-Life all the way. Its the moms frickin fault that she laid up and got laid by some dude and finds out that shes gonna have a kid. Thats what condoms are for. She should have to have the kid.. No innocent baby deserves to die.

I think you're either in the wrong thread, or severely out of your depth. Do not attempt to hijack this thread, or the moderators will be called. Please start your own topic elsewhere, unless you can make your views relevant to the topic. Thank you.

At 4/10/05 08:29 PM, SpamWarrior wrote:

At 4/10/05 03:57 PM, Grim_T wrote: Are cubase and cubasis the same thing? I dunno. I have almost mastered it, but I'm not sure if I've completely mastered it, yet I have the time to post and record.

Heh, disregard my comment about producing then :) Its the Mac Version of Cubase it seems.

How long have you been learning it for?

Also what can you do with it, in laymans terms? I've seen the midi sequencing, but i get lost in the madness of all these crazy words i've never seen before

Maybe its cos it was SX2 i saw, which i've heard is complicated and shit.

At 4/10/05 03:13 PM, corupthamster1 wrote: i would use all my amps with my mixer hooked up to my comp and acid

Please correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought acid was a mixer? Maybe you use two, or maybe i'm getting lost in terminology.

At 4/10/05 08:47 PM, NicknamedByron wrote: Well, I've decided on Grim_T. One look at his profile tells me he's perfect for this. Thanks for the other offer though.

Heh its ok, i was offering to produce the track he makes for you, for him if you see what i mean, But he has the skills necessary anyway :)

help me fix my barbie girl remix? I know myself that the chords i use are dischordant, but i have no formal music training and am willing to learn.

I still dont get why people are downloading it, they must be tone deaf.

Anyone who helps must have background in punk and pop, or both, which is commonly called emo :P.

At 4/10/05 03:57 PM, Grim_T wrote: Are cubase and cubasis the same thing? I dunno. I have almost mastered it, but I'm not sure if I've completely mastered it, yet I have the time to post and record.

Heh, disregard my comment about producing then :) Its the Mac Version of Cubase it seems.

How long have you been learning it for?

At 4/10/05 07:47 PM, Grim_T wrote:

Go to the audio portal if you want some music. However, if you are absolutely certain that there is no music in the portal (goth section, anyone?) then I'll be happy to do it. I do typical corpsepainted black metal music, with a hard and grinding feel to it, with extensive guitar solos. If you want me to give you music made especially for your series, email me (check my profile for email address)

Hey grim t, do you use progs? If not i'll be happy to produce the sound for you. If you do, curses, i need the practice.

You might think i might not know what black metal is based on my audio entries, but trust me i know :)

At 4/10/05 07:49 PM, BigLundi wrote: the more i come here, the more i see that ne of the more popular styles is TaeKwonDo

i find that odd, maybe it's just people around here, but people who have taken TaKwonDo around here have gotten their asses kicked in actual fights. maybe it's just their self-discipline or something.

Maybe its just me, but people dont realise that boards do not hit back. Indeed, gaining toughness of limb can be good, and power. But arrogance and complacency is what will get you killed.

Maybe the people who do tae kwon do who get battered are doing the wrong art for them?

I'd be interested to see a tae kwon do master versus an aikido master. both are equally fearsome, but if both follow form, who would win? The standard answer is that neither can win, as both have seen nirvana and way of the universe.

Eg, the tae kwon do master could break the aikido's nose in about 3 seconds, yet the aikido man could in theory counter it and snap the punching arm in three places.

It'd be a gloriously horrible victory for small weak shortarses :)

At 4/10/05 07:42 PM, Rooster349 wrote: I'm going to include your responses this time, in quotes.

At 4/10/05 03:09 PM, SpamWarrior wrote: Welfare? Generous Contributions? now this is what i call bullshit to the highest degree.
The money was almost certainly under what is owed by the west. Would you go mad if you had the sudden responsibility and privelege of millions of pounds? Probable.

Even if we did "owe" Africa something, we gave them that money and made them dependent on it. Damn, I read a great book about it but I forget it's name. It was something about from Cape Town to something or other. "Reading anything other than Marx and Mao is against my religion. And yes, we owe Africa half our GNP because teh capitalist system make them the slaves"

Yeah, so lets give a load of money and guns to people, watch them go insane and then say its their fault that the power went to their head. They learned soemthing from us, whether we like it or not.

This leads to the prejudice that the Black Africans are entirely responsible for their own situation, when they have been exploited the most publicly in slavery. If they had received what they were owed, which would have been education and machines in exchange for the raw resources, it is much less likely. Mind you, it would've also been wrong to force our views on them, so i think we should've left them the fuck alone.

I never said that black africans are to blame. I blame charities that give the man fish rather than teaching them how to fish.

You cant fish if you cant move, because you've not eaten for two weeks.

Capitalism vs. Communism. Let's tally the numbers of death and see who wins. Here it comes. "But those societies weren't communist! They were just greedy men who were capitalists in disguise."

Well done for demonstrating that you have a memory. Would you like a lolly?

There would be more people able to live, and have access to material if the wealth was redistributed humanely.

Thus taking away all incentive do be anything but average. If the manager got paid the same as the fry cook, no one would be the fry cook. "that is because mankidn has been brainwashed by the capitslist values and only looks out for his own greed." Hey, man is what he is.

man is what he has been told to be. Anyone else is classed as criminal, insane, or scrubbers.

:: :

Uh. What? Why are we talking about oil companies? Oil companies don't by from us because we intimidate them. They buy from us because we keep their pitiful economies afloat. "That's not true. Capitalism kills millions and oil is their main feul."

You think they'd rather not charge as much as they could? Under the system, if not as evil as i say, they would have enough to look after themselves.

These things must happen simlulataneously to work : The rich must be overthrown, and their grip on resources removed. This means that then the wealth could be distributed to ALL the workers, so that EVERYONE has a better quality of life, except for the ex-rich.

Not going to happen. Public opinion does not look unfavorably toward the rich, primarily because we have an abundant middle class. Most people would read your arguments and think you're a kook. I'm most people. "Plz spare the ad homo. The America may not overthrow their rich, but the wolrd will overthrow teh Amerrca, and then we'll distribute the federal deficit evenly."

There is divide of opinion amongst the people. This suits the system fine. The fact that the middle classes exist does prevent revolution, as they're existence fools the poor.

I changed your words because you were repeating yourself. The system of economics is not part of "the system," it just has been, like physics, waiting to be discovered. Adam Smith looked at it from a philosophical viewpoint and came to the

Wow, a lackey of the system wrote a book.

Speculation. This point of view is taught by the ruling class.

You think I'm a member of the ruling class? I'm a poor college student who can't even pay my taxes. And let me tell you, the "ruling class" here at the university are a bunch of pinkos like yourself. "they have still ben tanted by the capitalist teachings and white men. they are greedy cuz they have money for teaching."

I could never know if you were ruling class or not, but thats irrelevant. You think the ruling class are the professors and staff? They are but tools.

No, starved to death because it's more humane. "omg you hate the poor" I was just quoting the left on the Terri Schiavo case. "oh" Meanwhile, you still haven't explained to me who's going to be up for doing more work for the same amount of pay.

Its the right that refuse medical advances like stem cells, but since its all fake anyway, it doesnt really matter.....

People who are not blinded by greed. Read.

Nope, you refuse to accept even the possibility that you are ruled by people who are unselfish and wrong. That is subjective.

I know the country is ruled by men, and men aren't perfect.

Yes?

Also "I wouldnt want it to" subjective opinion.

No, it's a fact.

It is a fact that it is your opinion. In no other way is it fact.

I am able to objectively look at the capitalist system, see that it's imperfect and has flaws, and then objectively decide that it's the best system by far. "wot? how could you not want to work for the same pay as everybody else all day long? that's totally mind-boggling. You must be brainwashed by the trainers of capitalism."

I cannot help but agree with my own views, strange as it sounds....

Wow, you predicted my response! How incredible that i have stuck to my political opinion and have not been shut up by a lackey of the state! Pleb, all you capitalists are predictable, it is how you are controlled. but i still try anyway....

I know that communists wouldn't shut up even if they knew how. It must give you a great feeling of superiority to know that you are really smarter than everyone else because you haven't been fooled by the capitalist ruling class. How very objective of you. "yeh that's me. I'm teh smrtest."

People who see through the system are not happy. They do not jump for joy. Communists are mostly shut up, because their heart is broken by mans stupidity.

At 4/10/05 04:04 PM, Grim_T wrote:

At 4/10/05 01:48 PM, SpamWarrior wrote: Done karate, left it dont know why, got up to yellow belt.

Took up aikido. Aikido kicks arse, but i got my arse kicked one practice and my spines never been the same since. I will go back though.

Aikido is the best art for the smaller weaker, faster man, at least thats the message i get from it :)

Aikido rules. I'm fourth kyu. Do you have any bruises from doing Yonkyo? I do. Plus the various bruises from getting thrown into the wall and getting occasionally brakefalled without being prepared, my fault. What is your dojo's name? And what shihan do you guys hail from?

Heh, i cant reveal it, as it would give away information about where i live, but i dont think any of the official places like us. We're no Yoshinkan anyway. We're a "soft" style only place. I have no bruises from aikido cos i tried doing a forward roll from moving, and landed on my head. My spines not quite right yet. LOL at "soft" style. The soft style movements are the ones that break arms :)

I never got bruises from the twisting mostions, but the grip of some of the people was severe.

At 4/10/05 02:47 PM, Rooster349 wrote:

At 4/10/05 01:31 PM, SpamWarrior wrote: EVERY job in society has just as much importance as any other job, though i have less credit for beauracracy and those that manipulate figures.

Bullshit to the highest degree. A doctor is more important than the guy who delivers my pizza.

I concede on this one, but it does not damage my point about cleaners and doctors.
Although, could a doctor who liked pizza work as well if pizza boys didnt exist? Scratching at stones, i know...

Everyone wants some. Go tell the people who are starving in africa, or the streets of Brazil that you have these things and are happy with it.

Welfare and generosity is what ruined Africa. They are a welfare state due to the generous contributions from the US and other Western nations to International charities.

Welfare? Generous Contributions? now this is what i call bullshit to the highest degree.
The money was almost certainly under what is owed by the west. Would you go mad if you had the sudden responsibility and privelege of millions of pounds? Probable.

This leads to the prejudice that the Black Africans are entirely responsible for their own situation, when they have been exploited the most publicly in slavery. If they had received what they were owed, which would have been education and machines in exchange for the raw resources, it is much less likely. Mind you, it would've also been wrong to force our views on them, so i think we should've left them the fuck alone.

Capitalism exploits mans sense of boredom created by his own intelligence. Boredom is a strong motive force to do anything, as it can grate as much as physical pain.

I don't see your point. Regardless of what causes capitalism, the point is that it works.

Works to benefit the rich, and caused and causes the deaths of untold millions of people wherever its gone through time.

No, not better off. Existing, not living. Slaving away so that those at the top can sit back, drink they're million dollar wine and smoke their uber-expensive cigars.

As opposed to getting the same amount as everyone else for menial jobs, or not working at all. Talk about "existing, not living."

There would be more people able to live, and have access to material if the wealth was redistributed humanely. Better than some having all, and others not even having life in my opinion, but them i'm a bleeding heart socialist who cares about mankind as a whole. Blow me.

For themselves? It is possible to run a business ethically.

Yeah, most businesses do. Just because some of the employees are impoverished doesn't mean that they aren't an ethical business.

Nah, they dont. Oil companies are the parts of the machine that "buy" another countries oil, the military of another is what encourages the sale. Thats a large business, run unethically on the scale of a country.

OH NO FUCKING HELL WORKERS WANTING MORE THAN THEY GET! THEY MUST BE GREEDY AND SELFISH!

I didn't say that. I just said that a price increase in wages would mean a price increase in the particular product they make, which would have consequences for the lower income consumer.

These things must happen simlulataneously to work : The rich must be overthrown, and their grip on resources removed. This means that then the wealth could be distributed to ALL the workers, so that EVERYONE has a better quality of life, except for the ex-rich.

I admit it. I have no idea what I'm talking about and it's evident by my arguments. I promise to take an economics course before I bother debating with you again.

Good lie. The system of economics is part of the system. Why do you seek to change my words, you lackey? Can you not debate with them as they are? I credit you for having some imagination however.

You riddled me about why they would in communist society. Why do you refer to what happens in capitalism as an answer?

Because they wouldn't do it in a communist society.

Speculation. This point of view is taught by the ruling class.

False assimption based on capitalist teachings. That is all i can say. I'm so much smarter than every capitalist even though I have no knowledge of economics.

Nope. Socialism has not happened because it is not the riches interests, who originally seized power by violence. Proof? Slavery, Conquest.

It's not anybody's interests. Not in my country. Not even the leftists want socialism here. I don't want a uniform society where everyone gets paid the same to do different work.

That is communism. Socialism is working on a tiered pay system, and those who cant get work get benefits. Notice i say CANT work, not doesnt want to. Perhaps you think these people should be shot?

How witty of you to remove what you have no answer for. Yes i removed yours because it was distracting from what i actually said

I have no answer because your statement is so mind-bogglingly stupid that I can't even respond. You can't remove thinking objectively from anyone. I have fully, objectively thought about socialism and communism, and I have come to the objective conclusion that it's a bunch of bullshit, and even if it could work, I wouldn't want it to anyway.

Nope, you refuse to accept even the possibility that you are ruled by people who are unselfish and wrong. That is subjective.

Also "I wouldnt want it to" subjective opinion.

You think its a bunch of bullshit because you have been TRAINED by the capitalist system, so well, that you dont even see the stick anymore, just the carrot.

I know what you're going to say, so just don't respond anymore. You're going to say, "Ah, see, you think you're thinking objectively but your mind has been corrupted by the false teachings of capitalism and other western values." Like religion, I'm sure. Pitiful and predictable.

Wow, you predicted my response! How incredible that i have stuck to my political opinion and have not been shut up by a lackey of the state! Pleb, all you capitalists are predictable, it is how you are controlled. but i still try anyway....

At 4/10/05 06:50 AM, DJRunaway wrote:

At 4/10/05 04:04 AM, Seizure_Dog wrote: Newgrounds is a Flash site first and foremost.

So no. I don't think it's a good idea.

Conservative Thoughts there seizure. Ofcourse this is a flashpage in the first place, but if Tom and Wade would do it good... They could make this THE audio place on the web... Would bring in ALOT of people :) (I never really watch flash anymore, just here for the AP!)

The last flash i watched was based on the quality of its homemade theme tune - Calderbank by EdibleCastle. Make of that what you will. I saw the flash because calderbank was top spot in pop,

Thing is, flash is the places main niche, whilst the music is important, there other sites with more, more skilled artists on.

At 4/10/05 01:53 PM, commanderkai wrote:

Regarding your incredibly witty and effective signature file, at least there is a figure for how many have died under this fake communism.

There is no way of knowing how many people have died directly because of capitalism, whether its through overwork, starvation, or opposition to the machine, in earlier times.

This is because the ruling class control knowledge. I do not think i am rebelling against the system by writing these messages, i am only informing people of an alternate point of view. Only when their starts to be a growth in the people who believe in the theory, will there be any chance of danger to myself. As it is, my continued existence proves that i am wrong to people who have no concept of subtlety.

At 4/10/05 01:53 PM, commanderkai wrote:

At 4/10/05 01:42 PM, SpamWarrior wrote: Sure humans arent perfect, but shouldnt we strive to be better?

Yes, capitalists strive to make themselves better, and due to their hard work and innovations, society benefits as a whole. We wouldn't have come this far in our civilization if we didn't have people inventing or thinking or discovering etc so they could make more money. Look at the Queen of Spain that paid for Christopher Columbus' (spl) trip to North America. You think she did it for her people? No, she did it to find a cheaper way to trade with China, and due to her greed for wealth and power, hundreds of millions of humans are living in the Western hemisphere.

And hundreds of millions have died. Capitalists who are not ruling class think they are working to make society better, when they are encouraging slavery. Sure, a capitalist did something that had some benefit, entirely possible. This is part of the system which gives with one hand, takes away with the other.

Another way of looking at it is they eat the work of the people, and then shit on them.
Do the poorest have access to the luxuries of the rich? Not except through "crime"
So they want what the rich want, and get imprisoned for it.
Any that do manage to make it through the system are allowed to succeed, to give the illusion that we live in a meritocracy.

Done karate, left it dont know why, got up to yellow belt.

Took up aikido. Aikido kicks arse, but i got my arse kicked one practice and my spines never been the same since. I will go back though.

Aikido is the best art for the smaller weaker, faster man, at least thats the message i get from it :)

I think the problem is that anyone who is trying to master cubase hasnt the time to post, and those that have mastered it have no time too post because they are too busy getting on with some kind of career.

Good programme, but i'm none too sure what its actually possible to do with it.

It looks a bit like Fruity Loops and Acid in one programme, and since i know nothing about fruity loops, i cant help :S

At 4/10/05 01:28 PM, Catsofthebase wrote: You can argue this into the ground, it doesnt change the fact that Socialism doesnt work in large civilized populations. There isnt any conspiricy theory behind this either. Human nature just doesnt allow for a perfect society.

Imperfect humans+perfect society=unworkable equation.

Entirely wrong outlook. There is conspiracy theory, and that is the ruling class blatantly and obviously control the people. Even me sitting here typing these views has been taken account of, as communism has been successfully discredited in many peoples eyes.

Sure humans arent perfect, but shouldnt we strive to be better? You cannot have one without the other ie agree, but we can strive to reach it.

At 4/10/05 12:43 PM, Elfer wrote:

At 4/10/05 12:08 PM, SpamWarrior wrote:

At 4/10/05 09:53 AM, Elfer wrote: No, the problem is people. See, sometimes I go outside and talk to people, and I realize things.

Exactly what the ruling class wants you ALL to think.

The ruling class wants me to think that I go outside and talk to people? Sweet.

Happy to misread to try to make me look stupid? I'll make sure i dumb down my comments for you to understand. The ruling class, wants THE PEOPLE to think that THE PEOPLE are the problem, and human nature.

Anyhow, in case you didn't notice, I have no real liking for the ruling class. I do think that their unnecessary wealth should be used to help the poor.

Ah, the happiest sight for capitalism. Socialists arguing with each other. Oh well.

However, I also realize that an immediate revolution is not always the best way to go about things. In a situation where social attitudes and the entire structure of an economy need ot be change, it's often more advantageous to make it a gradual progression.

It is easier, if it was possible. But it will take centuries of fighting for it throught the political system, if it'll happen at all. Since i mistrust the ruling powers i'll be happy with revolution thank you very much.

If you really want to help people out, teach your children that helping humanity is more important than having piles of money for yourself.

I will do so gladly, when i have children. Too young and angry for that to happen right now.

The fact of the matter is that socialism will not work while greed and selfishness are as prominent as they are now. No, this isn't propaganda perpetrated by the ruling class in order to put down the proletariat, it's a logical deduction by way of common sense.

Indeed, but they are only this prominent because the ruling class controls peoples minds. It only takes a small minority of greedy people to make people have doubts about the people as a whole, and by proxy, themselves.

People think i'm insane and talking about mind rays or soemthing. Nah, fuck that, that wont happen for a few centuries or millenia.

Mind control is achieved by educating people to behave in a set way, and punishing them if they dont do what you want them to. In this way, they are doing what you want by setting everyone else a message. "do as your told, or you'll be in trouble"

It is the carrot and the stick. The carrot = being allowed to enjoy material goods
The stick = imprisonment, torture, death. These can be sanctioned by the state, or in 'first world' countries, just allowed to happen.