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At 11/27/12 04:54 PM, DaDanDawg wrote:

Hey sorry for striking a bone, but I wanted to get honest feedback, if I actually have bad music, then I want to know how to be better, and I havnt heard anything negative about my music, in fact I've been hearing just the opposite. The reason I posted here was to get some exposure and to see what people think about my music, so sorry if I struck a bone or something, I just want to get better

You know, I didn't respond to you earlier, because everyone complains about zero bombing all the time. But when you started the topic, I actually checked out your profile, and I saw that at the time you only had 2 songs up, with a total of 5 votes. If your songs dropped from 4s to 2s, that means only 2 or 3 of those 5 votes were actual 0s. I won't call that bombing. If I look at your profile now you have about 25 votes in total and your scores are even lower. Maybe by complaining so much over nothing gave yourself negative exposure. I also saw you wrote some very negative reviews where you gave halve a star to songs that in my opinion weren't too bad (at least better than your own). It's not surprising if you made some enemies with your reviews. The most likely explanation however is your songs just aren't as good as you think, just no one cares enough to tell you. I didn't vote for your songs because I feel sorry for you and I don't want to freeze the score at the 2 it's at, because that's I'd vote. If you want constructive criticism, I'll tell you this; Keep in mind what key your song is in and don't use notes that donâEUTMt fit that key. Use good sounding and preferably original chord progressions. These things are important for understanding your own songs. If you don't know why your song should be good, it probably isn't. Don't just learn tips and tricks from google or youtube. Pick up a book about fundamentals of music. Or take lessons. Be original. Nothing against dubstep, but you're not the first to make it, and a lot of people who do are beginners that arenâEUTMt very good. Make yourself stand out from the mass. If you write "best" among your tags, be sure not to disappoint. Good luck and keep improving.

At 11/28/12 03:10 AM, bassfiddlejones wrote: Does anyone have any experience with this VST? It seems pretty fantastic from the demos. I'm wondering if it's worth the cash. Even the normal articulations seem to be really high quality.

Orchestral String Runs

I don't have any experience with that plug-in. It seems expensive for what you get. I mean you can get a complete DAW for that price. But I've had my eye on it for some time, because I know some good professional musicians use it. It's probably good. Is it worth all that money? BTW the same brand as a plug-in for woodwinds that also appears to be extremely good. It's 700 dollars for just a bunch of woodwinds. Top of the bill, in two meanings of the expression. Makes me wish I had money.

Ow wait. you're from rpgmaker, not rpgamer. my bad. Anyway I like rpgs, I make music, and I'd want my music in other people's rpgs I'll check it out.

Sounds interesting. I've made two remixes for an rpgamer contest several years ago. About seven or eight years ago I guess. I will check it out, and see if I have time to make some music for you.

I'm in too. I'd like a song with a fairy tale or fantasy feeling. It doesn't matter to me what instruments or genre. Or else chip-tune. If neither of these things are your style, just do what you're best at, and surprise me.

It's VaeVIKTUZ I nominate.

He's the very definition of underdog. His tracks are always so good, He uses life instruments. It doesn't sound overproduced, but not too noisy. Just a very human and honest sound.

He's been here on Newgrounds for one and a halve year, posted plenty of songs, and up till today he's still very active. I heard he's been on the front page once and rightly so, yet he's only got 8 fans, and gets way too little reviews. I guess he just doesn't ask for attention enough, but he certainly deserves some credit based on his music.

Please put him on the list.

Propellerhead Reason 5.0, an extremely old version of Sony Acid, and the first version of ReBirth.One (though I seldomly use it anymore since it's so old it doesn't integrate with other software). I have various versions of Cubase, but they are so old, buggy, stripped of functions and or complex that I don't use them either.

Reason is a cool program if you're used to it. Unfortunately it doesn't support vst, so I don't use any. I use as many other samples as I can. I have a Yamaha psr 3000 keyboard, a Tascam US-144MKII audio interface, and a Sennheiser microphone, to record external audio.

I've worked with protools as well. It's okay, and you can use vsts with it.

A new and propper version of Cubase would work very well too. Wish I had one.

At 11/25/12 09:56 PM, Yoshiii343 wrote:

So referring to the image Buoy linked, it explains how mare flat/sharp keys of a certain note are there, over varying octaves then?

It tells you how many flats or sharps there are for each scale/key (per octave).

Btw when I say key I mean scale, not an individual key on an instrument. (Confusing? Yeah.)

Now modulation's something else that I don't get. How does it work/What the purpose of it?

Modulating can have many different meanings in music. It depends on the context. Generally it means to change pitch (to transpose). Like if a song is written in E flat, it's based around the E flat scale/key. If you want to play it in D, you need to shift each note halve a tone down.

You can also modulate within a song. In some cheesy pop-songs they repeat the chorus, but they transpose it a few tones upwards. This is for an uplifting effect or something.

On key instruments there often is a modulation wheel. This is to add vibrato, and has nothing to do with the aforementioned definitions.

I think there are more meanings of the word modulation, but those are less common and I don't know all of them.

At 11/25/12 09:27 PM, Yoshiii343 wrote:

At 11/25/12 04:02 PM, sweet21 wrote: I just learned the circle of fifths. It looks hard but it really isnt.

Since I'm not exactly well-read on music theory, would you mind explaining this (in plain English, if possible)?

not gonna Google this because the internets are scary

You use it to modulate things.

At 11/25/12 09:27 PM, Yoshiii343 wrote:

At 11/25/12 04:02 PM, sweet21 wrote: I just learned the circle of fifths. It looks hard but it really isnt.

Since I'm not exactly well-read on music theory, would you mind explaining this (in plain English, if possible)?

not gonna Google this because the internets are scary

I think it's sort of a scheme for how many flats ore sharps there are in each key. You can use it for some other things as well, but I don't remember much of it.

I'm hard too.

At 11/24/12 09:19 PM, Cowherd wrote: When I read the title of this topic, I thought it was going to be about music and the environtment lol. I dunno how. Maybe making remixes is good for the envrinment, because it's recicling? Just a joke.

Nah, but it is an interesting topic I guess. I don no when you can reuse music, and when not. I'm not into that legit sh* But people do it all the time. Remixes, covers, remakes and all. And all music sounds alike, nothing is ever new. In medieval times nobody put their name on anything. It didn't matter if people used other peoples work. It was all for the greater good, and for everyone to enjoy. You can't trace back folk songs to their creator. And they're reused all the time.

It's different nowadays. People want to have a name for themselves. They want to be acknowledged. You have lawsuits for every single top 40 song, because everything always sounds like a 100 other songs. People make their own problems. I get it though. A man has to make a living. But why so uptight about this?

What do you mean by "laws" in music? Physical laws? Are there natural laws that cause certain music to be good or bad? Or do you mean man made laws?

Maybe everything about music is man made anyway, and has nothing to do with nature... Maybe we only like music because we are used to it. After all music is different in each culture. Many people only like music they're used to. That belongs to their culture or group, or hood or whatever. Like a religion or something. It connects people within a group, but seperates them from others.

Maybe it's a bit of both if that's possible. There are natural reasons why humans like music, as well as cultural. Difficult man.

Anyways interesting topic after all. A lot deeper than I thought at first. Or am I overthinking it? Nah, I think not. Hope this thread gets more messages. I usually don't read threads, but I may keep checking this out.

Peace.

Thanks for your input Cowherd. Glad you like to think about these things like I do.

Maybe you're right. The song stealing problems are partly there because people are being too agitated. I think most of the time it isn't actual plagiarism at all, but just a coincidence. But you have to stand up for yourself as well. I think the solution lies in the middle.

As far as song re-usability goes, I'm still not sure. I think it depends on the situation. There may not be a concrete right or wrong about this.

With "laws" I mean certain rules you have to take into account when you write a song. The things that make music sound "good". Like music instead of noise. I think part of these laws are cultural, some are natural, but there isn't a clear distinction. People like to divide things into two categories; cultural (manmade) and natural (not manmade), yet the distinction is completely artificial. Biologically seen, humans are animals too. There is such a thing as "human nature". I think humans are still driven by their primal instincts, reproduction, eating, sleeping fighting etc. A lot of our sophisticated cultural things, are still based on primal instincts. For example, instead of just eating we dine.

Btw even though music is different between cultures. There actually are very much similarities as well. Perhaps these similarities are closest to the "natural laws" behind music.

Maybe music does exist to connect people. That seems to be at least one of its functions. Good point.

That does not explain how music came into being though. Some people say music is simply a side effect of language with no significance. Steven Mithen (in the book I wrote earlier about), says music would share many similarities with proto-language. Which is the ancestor so to speak of both our current language, as well as our current music. It's pretty complex and difficult to describe in short here. If you're interested you should read the book. It seems very plausible to me, although Mithens makes some bold statements about the origins of our language, that many people don't agree with. Then again, Mithens didnâEUTMt completely make it up, many scientists support what he says as well. People generally just don't agree much about the origins of our language. It's a rather vague area.

We'll see how long this thread survives. DoesnâEUTMt seem to be very popular yet. I sure hope to hear some discussions here, because I like to learn more.

At 11/24/12 09:11 AM, MetalRenard wrote: I guess your biggest issue at the moment then is the fact that NG doesn't give you the possibility to deactivate downloads. That would allow you to showcase your work but not allow others to use it. Maybe different licenses (all rights reserved) would be cool too, though I don't think it's worth getting into that debate.

Also, I agree that the video seems to only skim the surface of what is a massive topic - why we like only certain combinations and not others, though that is still very much up for debate over all. I have seen a few TV programs about why we like music culturally speaking, but I've never seen anything that discusses why we like music "naturally" or if we do at all...
Interesting idea.

People use songs even when it's not legitimate. Too bad, but you can't stop it. The only thing you can do about it, is not publish songs anywhere, but that won't get your name out.

I'm reading a book about why we like music from an evolutionary point of view. It's called The Singing Neanderthals by Steven Mithen. Pretty interesting I think. I heard about another book called This Is Your Brain on Music by Daniel Levitin, which explores more of the neuroscientific side. I'd be interesting to learn about other good books about the topic.

At 11/24/12 03:18 AM, MetalRenard wrote: Should you upload it to NG?:
This depends on your arrangement with the game creator. Firstly, are you being paid? Are you being paid -enough- for them to have an exclusive license for your music? Whenever you allow someone to use your music you should make if official by creating your own license that you and they sign. This should legally outline any and all uses of the music, costs and limits of your agreement.
If your agreement is for non-exclusivity then you can whatever you like with the music once you've written it, you're simply giving them the rights before anyone else (and if you're nice you'll wait at least a month before you let others use it, just a suggestion for ethics).

Will we ever run out of music?:
I think you'll like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAcjV60RnRw

Good points. In my case I'm not getting paid for any of those projects. If I were getting paid, I'd be willing to give them more privileges. I don't have any contracts or official agreements either, nor any non-verbal agreements. Those things would make a difference.

You're right too about it being more polite to wait until a while after the project release to let others use a song. I intend to do that. Generally at least. Though one of the people I spoke to said and I quote "it might, in fact, never be finished." I think it would be a huge waste of time if I get him his soundtrack, and he decides not to finish the project after all. If that happens I will let others use the songs anyway. Once again, I'm not getting paid, I'm not under contract, I don't owe him that much.

I've seen the video on the audio forum lounge. In fact that's what the link in my opening post leads to as well. Very interesting indeed. You can go on forever about that topic. I don't think the video goes enough in depth about certain things. The presenter says there are only certain patterns and melodies we enjoy, but he doesn't argue about the causes for and/or of this. How come people value music so much? Does it have a purpose? Is it a side effect of something else? I find these things interesting.

however, there's some melodies that can seemingly be recreated without ever hearing it before...

Hmmm I think what you mean has to do with there being certain "laws" in music. Most songs use only seven maybe eight different tones, three different tone lengths, and the number of chord and melody progressions that sound right are also limited. I guess a simple melody can be created twice independently.

Over the past days in the audio forum lounge I and some other people were talking about plagiarism, and whether or not certain elements of songs were stolen from another. We came to the conclusion most songs at least sound alike, because of musical laws based on what people like or what not (or maybe what people like is caused by laws in music).

More recently there was a discussion in the audio forum lounge, about whether we will eventually run out of new music to make

If you're interested in the topic watch here

But that is actually not even what I want to discuss here. (At least not directly.)

Lately I have become quite involved with making music for video games. A little more than I can handle perhaps.

One person asked me to make ten different songs for a game, and I think it will become plenty more even. I asked if I could adapt songs I made earlier as well. Some songs would fit perfectly, I'm not sure if I could make anything better and it would save me time. But no. He said he wanted only new songs.

I can understand that. At least a little bit. Once a song is used for something, it has gained a meaning. For example; If you use the Mario theme song in game, every player will think itâEUTMs a Mario rip off. If your project has music specifically made for it, it will come across as much more sophisticated. It has a certain benefit not to use pre-used music, and to not use music for anything else later on.

It made me think though. When exactly is a song new? If you made it yesterday? If you haven't used it before?

Sometimes people even use your songs without asking. As long as I'm credited that's fine by me. But can it do harm as well? Does it ever mean no one else can/would use it anymore?

Can you still put a song in the audio portal, on soundcloud or wherever, after you made it for a specific project?

Here on Newgrounds there are songs in the audio portal that are used in tens of different projects. That doesn't seem to be a problem. In many professional films or tv shows they use scores specifically made for it, as well as songs that had been in existence long before. The soundtracks to Quintin Tarrantino films entirely exist of pre-existing songs, and that's actually one of his trademarks.

A song can mean a lot of different things for each listener, and can be used for many different things. A film, game or whatever could work with many different soundtracks as well. Take the film Legend. The European release has a soundtrack by a different composer than the US release does. Some like the one, while others like the other.

What do you people think? When is it okay to re-use music, and when not?

At 11/23/12 04:19 PM, cweb85 wrote: So I want to record my songs off my keyboard for publishing on youtube, and I want it to create the sheet music as well. There are a lot of programs out there, and I wanted to ask what would be good for a beginner. I want to connect to my laptop via USB and;

1. record the audio
2. get the sheet music
3. possibly add very small effects, like a slight echo
4. mix it with video

Any suggestions? From what I see there aren't good programs that both make sheet music and record songs (unless you go with high expense packages). I'm looking to spend less than $150 hopefully.

Thanks for your input!

Recording audio and getting sheet music are two entirely different things.

Keep in mind that if you talk about recording audio, you need the actual audio output, whereas for sheet music you'll need midi output.

Also, as far as I know you cannot record the audio of a keyboard through USB, but my knowledge might not be up to date about that. There are microphones nowadays that you can connect directly to your computer through USB, without the need of a audio interface. Maybe it's the same for modern keyboards. Make sure the USB is the actual audio signal, not midi. If not, use an actual audio output. This will be jack plugs most likely. If jack plugs do not fit in your audio input on your computer (which is most likely the case unless you have a really advanced soundcard), use an external audio interface in between, and connect the audio interface to your computer through usb. Most computers have a mini jack audio input. The cheapest way to connect your keyboard to your computer is to use the mini jack in, and a cable with one mini jack end, and one end that fits into your keyboard audio output (an L and R tulip I think. That's the white and red one). Note that this will drastically decrease the audio quality.

To record audio, and process it, you can use any software you want. I heard Audacity is a good free one. If you want to spend money on it, Cubase, Soundforge and Protools are pretty good. The latter are probably too expensive and advanced for what you want to do with it. By no means should you spend more money that you need to.

Sheet music is a different matter. You'll need the midi output. On modern keyboards (less than 10 years old) you can probably use usb for this. You need software that supports midi to record midi too. Cubase and Protools are examples of these, as well as most other advanced DAWs. To get the sheet music however, you're better off with notation software like Sibelius, or something cheaper. Most if not all notation software supports midi. Do not expect to get nice sheet music just by recording off the bat. You'll need a lot of work to get recorded midi to become neat sheet music. As a matter of fact, I advice against recording the midi at all. Instead start writing out the sheet music in your notation program right away. This seems like a chore (and it is), but it's the fastest by far.

sent messages to them all and i cant get a response :S
anyone can direct me to royalty free chiptunes? :(

Don't know about royalty free chiptunes. There are plenty of chitunes on newgrounds, by artists who are willing to let you use their music. One artist I like very much and who allows others to use his work is FantmomenK. If you like his work, you could try to contact him. He's here on newgrounds, as well as on youtube, bandcamp, soundcloud, twitter, myspace and many more.

You could try finding good chiptunes in the audio portal, or try to google some musicians. I know (of) a few, but I donâEUTMt know if they allow you to use their songs.

Good luck.

At 11/15/12 08:35 PM, gavkay21 wrote: Dunno man just cool ones i should check out

The number of plugins you could use is endless.

I use Propellerhead Reason. You can not use vst plugins for that, only samples, but it is a very versatile program in itself, you can get any sound out of it you want, so you dont really need vst plugins. You can rewire it with a lot of other programs though, making it a very advanced plugin in itself. Also there are many sample and preset refills for Reason available. Just look at the Propellerhead site.

Another cool program by Propellerhead, that you can use as plugin is Rebirth. It is an emulation of the legendary Roland TR 808 drum computer. This is I think the most used drum computer of all time. It has a very characteristic sound, that does not sound like an acoustic drum at all, but most electronic drum computers try to sound like this one. Rebirth also has the successor to the TR 808, the TR 909. Not as characteristic, but nice if you want a different sound. It also has a double TB 303 bass. You can create some very phat synth basses with this one, as well as nice or weird sequences. It is also available for the iphone and ipad.

If you are looking for vintage sounds, that still work well in modern music, try finding vsts for a Moog synth, a Hammond organ, and a Fender Rhodes electric piano. Rumpelrausch Taips ZR3 and B4 Organ are good Hammond organ vsts. Lounge Lizzard EP 2 a good Fender Rhodes. Minimoog V and Modular Moog V are nice Moog vsts. There are tons more.

Symphony of Voices by Spectrasonics is still one of the best sound banks for choir and voice samples. Works well with symphonic music, metal, dance or anything you want.

A vast instrument sample library is Kontakt 5 by Native Instruments.

Extensive libraries for symphonic samples are ProyectSam Symphobia 1 and 2 (2 has no samples from 1) for general orchestral samples. True Strike 1 and 2 for percussion. Cinesamples Cinebrass CORE and or PRO for brass sections. Orchestral Tools Berlin Woodwinds for woodwinds. Orchestral Tools Orchestral String Runs 2 for strings.

AudioEase Altiverb 7 gives you superb reverb for many type of environments, including symphony halls, but also sport stadia, catherdrals, clubs, rooms, outdoor, digital reverbs or many other environments.

I hope you will find what you are looking for.

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/499768At 11/14/12 04:17 PM, DJSh3P wrote:

Hello I am looking for a person who could make some music for my new game. It's retro pixel game. If your thinking that this game is going to be awful and just not worth time. Yeah well your wrong. I put full effort into my games including every last graphic detail to polish the game. Even making the engine more improve so it satisfies all my community. And fans,

If your interested in helping me make this game possible then please. I am just looking for 1 or 2 users on newgrounds who could make some amazing retro style music. Even if you don't think your good enough atleast join with bravery.
Thanks for your time.

If interested, or have any questions then you can add me on skype: rockgangster2

You can use any of my songs. What exactly are you looking for?

8-bit or 16-bit?

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  Happy Bits by SourJovis

  Kirby-esque song in 8-bit

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  4.74 / 5.00

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  Loop

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  Video Game

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  8-bit genesis by SourJovis

  Intro song in 8-bit to an in the making web-series

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  4.57 / 5.00

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  Song

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  Video Game

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  946 Views

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  Quest for 16-bit by SourJovis

  Song in 8-bit early 16-bit era style

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  4.52 / 5.00

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  Song

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  Dance

  Popularity

  388 Views

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Or just a song in retro style but with a more modern sound?

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  Battle of the Bits by SourJovis

  Song in retro video game style, but with modern sounds.

  Score

  4.60 / 5.00

  Type

  Song

  Genre

  Pop

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  1,398 Views

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You can look at any of my uploaded songs, and see if there's anything to your liking. If you're looking for something specific, let me know what you need. Maybe I have something like that, or I can make it.

At 11/14/12 01:02 PM, Chronamut wrote: it might mean your song is poopy and they simply don't want to tell you.

Haha, so true! Though there are a lot of people eager to tell a song is "poopy"!

Generally, the more work it is, the less people do it. It's a reversed pyramid construction. People start to listen. May or may not listen to the end. Could then vote. Would then write feedback. In my experience, views>downloads and votes>reviews. Though some people review but don't vote. I guess it's just the way it is. If you canâEUTMt change it, youâEUTMll have to accept it.

At 11/14/12 10:23 AM, gavkay21 wrote: What cool plug-ins should i get. Some cool effects ones

Could you be more specific? You mean for music I assume. What programs do you use, and what plugins do they support? What kind of music are you going to make? With effects you mean effect devices (EQs, compressors, spreaders, noisegates, distortion, chorus, phasers, vocoders, etc) fx samples, software instruments, or something else? What kind of plugins are you looking for (VST, sample refills, presets or other)? Do you have anything in mind?

At 11/14/12 09:27 AM, Chronamut wrote: 3rd place winner in pumpkin carving contest :)
http://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/chronamut/demented-mr-ull man-pumpkin

Congrats! Great work! Looks a lot like the "real" Mr Ullman.

At 11/13/12 10:51 PM, The-iMortal wrote: Wut? Just reformat your hard drive. Viruses cannot effect any other components of your computer, except the data on your hard drive. A reformat deletes everything on that hard drive, and once you re-install your OS, you're good to go.

That's the cheapest solution. Might also be the best. If you think it's still worth it, by al means do. You can extend the life of a computer by keeping software up to date tremendously, reformatting and replacing hardware components that slow your computer down by buying new ones. Doing so is much cheaper, than buying a new one every x number of time.

However you can not do this infinitely. Eventually computers gets too old. Will not be able to handle up to date software. If you have to replace important, expensive or just many hardware at once it's time for a clean start, and buy a new one. Of course you can transfer anything you want (that's still worth it) from your old computer to the new.

Reformatting only gets rid of the viruses, but if a computer is full of viruses, there may be underlying problems. Those must be fixed as well. Out of date computers with an out of date operating system drivers, are more vulnerable to viruses. Reformatting is a lot of work, and there's no guarantee your computer will come out as good as it was before. Some programs may not reinstall (for reasons known or unknown), settings and preferences may be lost.

You'll have to look at how old your computer is, what you'd have to do to get it up to date, how much it is to buy a new one, how much money you have, and then decide for yourself what you think is best.

At 11/13/12 04:06 PM, LiquidOoze wrote: My PC is fucked up

So about a week ago I successfully got rid of the ukash virus, but now some other problems have returned, problems that kinda make my connection to the internet worthless.
First of all, Google Chrome isn't working and I've heard that has something to do with Google Chrome itself so I can't help it. Also sice a few days Internet Explorer has been giving me a runtime error everytime I go to a website that is not Google and no matter how many times I reset it to its default settings it keeps crashing. I've also tried this Microsoft FixIt thing but that didn't help either.
This basically means that I'm depending on Mozilla Firefox at the moment. Right now it's the only browser that lives up to its name (it let's me browse the interwebs) but it's got a shitload of problems as well. First of all, no matter how many times I set Google as my homepage, everytime I open Mozilla it links me to this 'certified-toolbar' thing, which is basically the same as Google but I just find it obnoxious that I can't simply change my homepage. Furthermore, when I used Mozilla for the first time in years again I obviously had to upgrade some of its add-ons, but for some reason my Adobe Shockwave for Director add-on refuses to overwrite its older file with its newer file so I keep getting a message that my version of Shockwave is 'vulnerable'. Last but not least, I DID manage to upgrade Flash Player to its latest version but it still won't work, which in a nutshell means that I can't use Youtube, SoundCloud, Bandcamp and Newgrounds (except for spamming the AFL with stuff like this).
Also I can no longer open files with Windows Media Player and I also can't change any of my computer's security settings like Windows Firewall (which is turned off atm).

Basically I'm just watching my computer die. Luckily FL Studio and all its plugins still work.

That's rough. Your problems are quite common. Too bad they all happen at once on the same computer. I had the Ukash virus some weeks ago too. Took me halve a day to get rid of it. On my parents computer both Chrome and Explorer are broken, and can't be reinstalled. Firefox is the only browser that still works. Same as with you. They too have a problem with flash. Maybe firefox and flash don't work well together. I heard a lot of problems regarding that combination (and real player). What works for my parents is, after they try to reinstall flash, it suddenly works again. They have to do that each time they restart the computer though. And I say try to reinstall, because the installation stops at 50% and gives an error. Still it gives flash just enough of a boost to work again. Maybe this works for you too. Otherwise you could try Oprah. I have no experience with that browser, but I heard some good things. Otherwise you'll have to buy a new computer. But then you have to spend some cash, and days installing all of your programs, with no guarantee everything will work again. Good luck.

At 11/12/12 03:40 PM, Buoy wrote: music
some music is good
literally good, man (3:42)

I wonder how that sounds to foreigners though?

Everyone is a foreigner :) But I'm not Norwegian if that's what you mean, and I don't understand what's said. I like the music anyway. IâEUTMve heard of the Kaizers Orchestra before, but I havenâEUTMt got any of their albums. Thank you for reminding me about them.

At 11/10/12 10:06 PM, guitarmandan wrote: Yes, thats the one. I did a harmonic and melodic analysis of the two songs and its pretty creepy how similar they are. I agree with what you said though... but I suppose there is no way to really prove if it was direct copyright infringement or a happy coincidence... but theres a part of me that still believes it is just TOO close for comfort to be a coincidence... in music you pretty much have three aspects: Rhythm, Melody and Harmony... La Vida is like a 95% match on all three... except its in a different key. The tempo and rhythm are exactly the same, the chord progression is the same... the melody is about 95% the same... the only major difference is key and we all know how that stuff works.

Apologies for the lengthy response.

You never know for sure that's true. It might be infringement. Still I think it isn't... Like you said there are a lot similarities. However, all of them can be explained by common song writing "rules".
The difference in key doesnâEUTMt say anything. That's true. If you play a song in a different key it's still the same song. But the same can be said about the tempo. It's still the same song, whether you play it fast or slow. So the fact that the tempo is almost (Viva La Vida being slightly faster than I Wish I Could Fly) the same, doesn't mean anything.
The chord progression is almost the same that's a good point. Viva La Vida has a basic VI VII III i scheme, while I Wish I Could Fly is an interesting variation on that scheme. Both schemes share 11/14 to 10/12 notes depending how you look at it. However the VI VII III i scheme is extremely common. Even Never Gona Give You Up has more or less the same chord progression (Fmaj7 G Em Am this is VI VII V i. So a V instead of a III, but those chords share 2 out of 3 notes so the scheme of NGGUU has 10/12 tones the same as La Vida, just like I Wish). There are a lot of songs sharing the same chord progression.
As far as the melody goes. The first three notes of I Wish I Could Fly are the same as the three notes of the verses of Viva La Vida after the anacrusis, but the rest of the melody is totally different. The melodies are up to 50% the same at the worst parts, though much less over the scope of the entire songs. Less than 20% I estimate. ThatâEUTMs a small number since there are only so much tones to choose from and there is a bias towards certain tones based on key, chord progression and rhythm.
At first glance both songs seem to have a similar rhythm. Both with a certain swing. That in itself isn't uncommon. When you play one song over the other, you hear it just doesn't sound right. On closer inspection there are several differences in rhythm.
I'm not even talking about the differences between the songs. The lyrics, the instrumentation, the mood, the style, the theme, etc. These things count too.

It's difficult to express similarities in percentages, but if I have to put numbers on it:

Chord Progression 80%
Melody 20%
Rhythm 50%
Overall Feel 20%

That makes a total of 42.5%. YouâEUTMd get an average of 20% for comparing two random songs. 80% or more for comparing a song to a shameless copy. 42.5% would be an unfortunate coincidence. Apparently enough to cause a stir.

At 11/9/12 08:27 PM, guitarmandan wrote:

At 11/9/12 08:51 AM, SourJovis wrote:

At 11/8/12 07:30 PM, guitarmandan wrote:

At 11/8/12 05:34 PM, Sequenced wrote: Apparently, Psy's Gangnam style copied off of LMFAO's sexy and I know it's bassline.

dang.

And Coldplay stole one of Satriani's tunes and a bunch from other artists. No one seems to care....

Because there are tons of false rumours like that (this band broke up, that artist died, she's a guy, etc), only these don't hold up for a second. People have ears, internet and brains, so they instantly find out it's not true.

Except that it is true. Satriani took Coldplay to court over it. They settled outside of court for an undisclosed amount.

Are you talking about If I could Fly VS Viva La Vida? Sad it had to come to a lawsuit. Music simply has certain rules as to what sounds good and what not. Which means there's only so much you can do, and everything has been done before. Coldplay always stays close to those rules, which is what makes Coldplay so popular. It's easy to grasp. Unfortunately that also makes Coldplay sound like everything else. There are Colplay singles that are accused of copying more than 10 different songs at once. That's simply not possible. Even I once got a comment by someone who thought Coldplay stole a song I'd covered (follow the link to see). My conclusion was that both songs were build around the same musical principles, and therefore sound alike. I don't believe Coldplay ever intentionally stole anything. They're just not very original. The same goes for If I could Fly and Viva La Vida. Both songs sound different. The similarities can be explained by shared musical laws. Btw Satriani wasn't the only one who claims Viva La Vida was the result of plagiarism. Cat Stevens said Viva La Vida was taken from his Foreigner Suite. You can compare both songs here I don't think it's even possible to copy the melody and chord scheme of the chorus from two different songs at once. Like I said; Just a result of shared musical rules.
As for the bass line of Gangnam style and Sexy and I Know It. I just don't hear it at all.

At 11/9/12 12:02 PM, jpbear wrote:

At 11/9/12 10:49 AM, Sequenced wrote:
Trance parties are better. ^__^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8G8cdbPmp8&feature=g-user-c

ya sureeee ummm....

Also no one gives two shits about zeppelin stealing 3/4s of their early discography

Dude! That video is disgusting!