I shall be voting for the Tory candidate, Michael Howard.

I do however applaud Tony Blair for his strength and conviction when it comes to ridding the world of genocidal dictators...

Our violence is in our genes, any person that is in a stressful enviroment becomes more violent.People who suffer poverty or are forced to work or any situation involving survival have more violent attitudes.Sometimes the stress of surviving turns into violence...

I guess that is all obvious enough, then there is competition for spiritual survival, people who believe that infidels will go to hell, and yet are so ferverently opposed to the idea that they could end up sharing paradise with them, they want to at least kill them or make them suffer here on Earth...

What about the escape of the Bath Party scientist who made it out of Iraq and told the CIA about Saddam's WMD programme, aimed to be attatched to scuds ?

Saddam drops scuds on Israel, 'learn from history and try not to let Suddam repeat it in a more lethal manner' seems a reasonable aim of a Country like Israel trying to protect it citizens.

Where is the proof Israel's Mossad was involved in deceiving the U.S. i mean it sounds like 'pass the buck' to the 'scapegoat' we all use when the going gets tough.

I know the professor at Oxford came under pressure for what he did.I think he resigned from an aspect of his duties as a result.I don't think he should have been allowed to keep his job at all.

The trend of ostracism towards Israeli academia is 'new wave' anti-semitism
to replace 'old' anti-semitism in academia like holocaust 'revisionism'.
Intellectualizing 'hate' is abhorrent.

How can Israeli teachers and students be blamed for Israeli politics !

I think i almost prefere straight up anti-semitic thugs that burn down and attack our schools and Synagogues to those that disguise hate in an 'intellectual' guise.

So,

Jersalem has been the holy capitol to the Jews for around 2974 yr's.
Jerusalem has been holy to the Christians for around 2004 yr's.
Jerusalme has been holy to islam for around 1500 yr's.

Who has the prior claim ?

The Jews.

At 12/1/03 11:38 PM, NewEvolution wrote: The problem was that it wasn't only the Jewish holy land; it was also holy land for Islam. So we basically kicked thousands of Palestinians out of their houses and holy land, and said "sorry, we say this area is now Israel." :

Israel was formed and Jerusalem was built by the Jews, in their holy land, before Islam even existed.Islam came about around 6oo A.D, Jews built the holy Temple in their capitol Jerusalem in 97o B.C.

Do the math, the Jews holy city come 157o yr's before Islam is created.

There have always been Jews living in Israel.

The term 'Palestine' was invented by the Romans, who siezed the land and the Jews were persecuted, murdered and exiled.

The Jews settled all over the world, mainly in Europe.

The Jews had been persecuted in Europe throughout history, had been exiled from every European country like Spain during the inquisitions and the pogrom mass killings in Russia and then the holocaust, so the U.N gave them back their homeland.

At 11/27/03 09:12 PM, THE_HULKSTER wrote: : I don't support the Holocaust, but it's been blown WAY out of proportion to support the whole "OGMF JEWS HAVE SUFFERED SO MUCH THEY NEED A SAFE HOMELAND" argument.
I could rant about it for hours, but I think I will cut this one short.: :

How can you in all honesty, in a calm and loving frame of mind towards the human race, think such terrible things ?

How can the mass gassing of pregnant women and infants and old people, done on the basis of 'racial hate' and done to millions with the goal of killing all of them, NOT give those people the right to somewhere safe to live ?

How can this be 'blown out of proportion' ? there is no 'proportion', such a crime transcends 'proportion'.

Imagine your Mother, Father, Sister, Brother, all your cousins and Grandparents lived in a neirbourhood where they are going to be killed, you KNEW they were all going to be wiped out, say by some killer infectious plague from which nobody escaped.Would you not even try to help them to get Airline tickets to find a safe place to go ? Would you really just say, 'i think you should all stay, face the plague and see what happens' ?

If so, you are a psychopath.

At 11/26/03 08:24 PM, JudgeFUNK wrote: :

WHOA! NO REASON?!!! How much do YOU know about Nazis? Have you any idea of what "Mein Kampf" was about? The entire idea of the Holocaust stemmed from rich Jewish bankers taking advantage of post WWI Germany. Now, I think this is more of a confusion between a race and the rich, but there is overwhelming evidence that the majority of bankers in Germany post WWI were Jews, and that Germany was being screwed unmercifully by the post war treaty.

Don't get me wrong, I don't support the Holocaust. I think it was a horrible period in history that will stain the name of Germany for all time. However, the rich bankers DEFINITELY deserved a comeuppance. My problem was when the turnabout didn't stop at the rich, but spread to demolish the entire Jewish race. After all, poor Jews couldn't be bankers, so there was no way they were responsible for the downfall of the German economy.: :

I cannot believe you are putting the mass gassing of pregnant women, infants and children, old women and men down to 'confusion' between the rich and race, on the part of the Nazi's.That 'poor' Jews could not be bankers, what about infants !?!

Don't get me wrong i can see you agree that the holocaust was evil, i just think your use of words are slightly offensive.I believe that the killing of the 'rich' is wrong, no matter how they make money.
My Family that were killed were rich, does that somehow make it ok ?

Israel have never commited genocide, yes they supported the Christians in Lebanon who killed around 15,000 civilians, but it was not planned or carried out by Israel.Yes Israel have humiliated the Palestinians, but never genocide (by definition genocide is the plan and execution of intent to wipe out an entire people) like the Nazi's.

I hope they get that old Nazi so he isn't allowed to forget what he did.Following orders is no excuse to avoid punishment, it is a mitigating factor but not an excuse.

At 11/26/03 11:10 AM, bringerofbadinfo wrote::The Jewish holy book doesn't teach forgiveness.: :

I know that if you had read Torah you would see that Judaism does teach forgiveness.
It teaches Jews to forgive others, to ask G-d for forgiveness for other people who sin against them, to ask G-d to forgive ourselves and for others to forgive us.

If you knew anything about Torah you would realise how wrong the statement you made really is.The world 'forgiveness' is key to Judaism.

As far as the political situation stands, Israel has waged war, civilians have died as a result, it was done to defend her right to exist, the Nazi's just killed for nothing, there is a big difference, in my opinion.

At 11/26/03 05:44 PM, Zalbun wrote: : As A Jew Im appaled at your comments. People like you are the reasons Jews get a bad name. Go listen to your Streisand.: :

My last post implied i had said this comment to you, which isn't how i argue politics.

Also i corrected you, when you had already corrected yourself.

Why am i ignorant to Christianity and Islam because of my beliefs ?

I have great respect for the Bible and the Koran, i had thought Muhammed had been to Jerusalem, many Muslims maintain he was there, but how can you say i am ignorant due to one contentious point ?

What do you think should happen to Jerusalem ? As you are a Jew, i am interested in another Jewish perspective, as most Jews want to keep the holy City while others are willing to divide it with the Palestinian's for the sake of peace.

Do you have another perspective ?

At 11/26/03 05:44 PM, Zalbun wrote: New Religions? I thought Christiany was, say about 2004 years old. SInce then is that modern

As A Jew Im appaled at your comments. People like you are the reasons Jews get a bad name. Go listen to your Streisand.:

Do you mean since 'when' is that modern ?

- I am saying Christianity is modern compared to Judaism which is in it's 5764th year, it was not meant to be disrespectful in anyway, just an historical observation.

There are in my opinion other monotheistic religions that are as old as Judaism, but Christianity is 'relatively' modern in 'comparison'.

Yrushalayim was founded by the Jews and the 1st Holy Temple was built there before Christianity and Islam even existed !

Now Christianity and Islam both want control of he Jew's holy city because of Jesus' and Muhammed's experiences there, how does that equate to kicking the Jews out of THEIR holy city ?

Does anyone have one good reason why should the Jews be forced to give it up so these new religions can benifit at the cost of the Jewish people ?

Many Arabs in Israel in 1949 were descended from immigrants that went there in the early 19oo's in an attempt to counteract the Zionist movement that started mid 18oo's.

Lets remember the Muslims did not want the Jews to go to Israel and the immigrations were part of the Jihad to keep them out.

Pre-185o there were just a 25o,ooo thousand Arabs in an Israel that was producing very little in all economic sphere's including horticulture & agriculture, very unlike the fertile Israel of today.

Now in the West Bank and Gaza there are over 2.4 million, even though they claim they were forced into exile.

Almost 3oo injured and over 20 dead.
Most of the dead and injured were passers-by, muslims.So far 5 of the dead are identified as Jews and 50 of the injured.

I am on the Islamic forums today to try to make them understand that murder does not get you into 'paradise'.

There was also an arson attack against a Jewish school in Paris today.

I wonder if Turkey will hold up against the Islamic fundementalists, they are being punished for recognising the State of Israel (since 1948) and wanting to join the E.U.

Since my Family are Jews from Turkey, i have to extend my sorrow to the Jewish community there.

It is a very sad day today.

I think Israel and Turkey are definately being considered.

When people say Israel is going to be bad for Europe they don't maybe realize that theyre in the top 20 richest states in the world, so Europe wants them because they are having economic problems and think expansion will help the E.U.

Turkey would be very good for Islamic relations, i don't believe that Euope is ready to include Turkey yet, but maybe...

Russia wants into the 'big Europe' plans but seeing as Putin is now locking up Jewish businessmen (Yukos scandel) at gunpoint because they support real democracy (funding the political opposition) makes me think Europe is better off without them...

At 11/9/03 07:58 PM, Anti_Society wrote: I dont think its right that just to get along people should be brought up under the same religion as that of their parents. A religion is what you live by, it shouldnt be decided by the family you are born into.:

In Judaism blood has spiritual properties and is relevant to your soul and reincarnation.
For example in Judaism a convert's children are not born as Jews, but also need to re-affirm the faith in a similar way to a non- Jew who undergoes conversion.

Religion is not just the rules you live by, as you say, but Religion is also an insight into your spiritual past and future according to Judaism.It is a pathway to the child's infinite spiritual potential.It is also a set of moral values , cultural tradition and history that a parent is inevitably going to pass onto the next generation.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but i believe that Religion is something a child can benifit from, and like i say if it is done in a positive way that encourages dissent and freedom of Religious observance and does not hate on others, i can't see why not.

I think it is good to bring up your children to share your Religion, so you can eat together, pray together and celebrate holidays together.

If they rebel against it, then i think it is important not to be too dogmatic or you could do more harm than good.

When people let their kids die for their Religious beliefs, that is wack (like to deny blood transfusions).

If it's all about positive spiritual nutrition and no guilt trips i think it is a good thang.

Islam wants to regain the Territories they once ruled over from the Ottoman period, that coupled with the Jihad of eliminating the infidels...

Do we really not want to target them now and let them get WMD ?

Russia needs Iranian oil, so Iran may end up with WMD in exchange.This is what the World should be worried about.(Bush had better share the spoils of Iraq before it's too late).

I know which side i would like to live under and it doesn't involve giving up my playstation.

Maybe we are all antennas for receiving infomation concerning future events, but we often supress it or don't know how to process it due to lack of training.

Bierman has done some experiments on RSI using MRI technology, but it is, so far, inconclusive.

~ spooky ~

I am sad today,because 19 were killed and 55 injured.

A female bomber, thinking she is en route to paradise, blew up innocent people, including infants today.Her bloodstained soul, (let it never rest in peace) is why we need the wall.

We are just o.23 % of the World's population, we must build this wall, to protect ourselves from this holy jihad.

For anyone that cares, please go to Islamic Forums today and post your disgust at these tactics.

The infidels are in Yisrael baby, and we are here to stay, so deal with it...

I think China has the capitalism bug and will deal with North Korea, if it comes to a showdown.

I think it will under the present regime.

Maybe they will be placated with a capitalism dummy if they get a regime change, an internal coup prehaps...

If Palestine will not police the suicide bombers, then the onus falls on israel.

They want to destroy the Jew's (not just the entire State of Israel, but in the name of Allah, they want to kill all the infidels).

It is a Holy War against the Jews.If they win America is next, and before you know it, you'll get your eye's gauged out and your hands chopped off for watching soft porn...You won't be allowed to have music and you'll have to pray incessantly from dawn to dusk.AND they will even destroy the internet as Allah doesn't like free-thinkers...

Wecome to the World of fundementalist Islam.:eek:

At 8/31/03 10:59 AM, GridLock wrote:What's the difference between a Jew and an elephant? An elephant eventually forgets.

I have never been afraid of Jews. They hide behind the protection of foreign governments and strike at their enemies and then go running home, too afraid to meet them on the field of battle.:

I think it is very bad to say such things, why would we forget about our Families gassed in the camps, it is recent history for us, living history.It is very sad when we see our old relatives remember these times, so we are not to be compared to an animal because people remember.

I will pray for you because i think you are projecting self-hate and if you thought in a deep way, you would regret the things you say...

If your Mother and Sisters were gassed to death, you would be sad and remember also, luckily for you it is something you cannot even imagine.
If you go to a Jewish old peoples home, you will meet them, with the tattoo on their arms and their tormented minds, plagued with terrible memories.

Also why do you say Jews hide behind foreign Goverments ? The U.S Aid makes up less than 3% of our defence budget ! And we have never lost in war.In fact we have been around for 5763 years and won many wars...

Everything that exists, exists because it is God's will that it exists...

God manages the Universe so flawlessly we invented science to try to desribe his will...

e.g. Apple falls to ground because it was God's will.Archimedes says "eureka".

I exist because it is God's will, i have a conciousness because it is God's will.I have freewill, even though God knows how i will use it and when...

Apart from the water supply cut, lets not forget Eqypt and Syria had Russian tanks headed for Israel before we declared war on them !!! And Russia were painting Syrian flags on arial bombers, and yes, we have photographic evidence.

Eqyptian Gold was Pharoah Gold and Jews are descended from two of Pharoah's daughters, so even "if " Jews did take Gold, it was OURS.

Did the Swiss not really just use the 'Eqyptian claim' as a counter-claim due to Swiss bankers finally having to pay compensation to Israel for hidding the Jews Gold (including teeth) for the Nazi's ?

I wonder how many Swiss banks are Arab-owned ???

If any are Arab-owned, i am just glad that the West are using other tax-friendly states instead now and that there is a massive withdrawl of money being invested in Swiss Banks...a trend that i hope ruins their economy that is built on the blood of Jews...

Anti-Semitism has flourished in Europe for centuries, i think it is almost subconcious...

Most European people would never 'come out' as anti-semites, and probably would not imagine themselves to actually be an anti-semite, even if they hold anti-semitic preconceptions and attitudes.

For example saying Jews use the Holocaust card is an anti-semitic statement, as there are 1st generation survivors in their late 20's that suffer the legacy of suffering, within their Families, everyday, and to trivialise this is disturbing to them and those of us who are 2nd generation survivors.

We do not play cards, we suffer to see our loved ones have multiple breakdowns due to the mental torture that they have endured in the extermination camps.

The anti-semitism of Europe is shown in 'The Merchant of Venice' - Shakspeare.The Jews have been systematically exiled from every European country, inc the U.K in 900 AD.In Shakspearean Times they were hated by the Christian Europe for 'Usury' (The pratice of money lending for interest).
Jews were mass hanged in the U.K due to the blood libal cases (Christians said they used the blood of Christian children for rituals), even women and children were hangedin the U.K.

Maybe because the U.S is such a young country, they haven't yet the history of anti-semitism that we have in Europe.Yet the U.S is a Terrorist target because of the Jews and it's foreign policies related to Israel i.e. Sep 11th...

I went to see an Israeli film the other day in London, there was Terror threat, so there were 10 police in riot gear outside.When i walked home i felt fear, this is what anti-semitism is...

Idi Amin was a fervent anti-semite who broke off ties to Israel in the early 1970's and helped the Palestinians hijack a plane of innocent civilians and land it in Uganda.

So then he escapes to the Jew hating fellow States of Iraq and Syria, finally settles in Saudi with a huge weekly allowence for his hate crimes towards the Jews and sips mint tea with his 4 wives...

I think the anti-Americanism in Germany today is born from two sources in the Germanic psychie.
Firstly their economy is in a downward spiral and they want aid from America (?) as in the E.U they are suffering from various policies.
Second there are alot of anti-semites and they blame America for the continued survival of Israel.

I thought that the U.S has WMD in South Korea, so there is a deterrent v North Korea ?

I sorry i have no time to do searches right now, i know that in Archeology, it is established that a Jew's scull is different to other Arab's sculls, as they are different to a European or African.I don't really give a shit, it is just to show that the Jews are a race of people and not just a religion.

Conversion since the holocaust is up to 3o %, as post-war baby-boom Jews were scared to be Jews and wanted to assimilate (3o %inter-married)and Jews who are 1/4 Jewish were allowed to immigrate to Israel, as Hitler would have killed them, so Israeli policy was to accept them.

Anyway's this topic has exhausted itself.

nice to speak with y'all on this stuff...