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At 11/20/10 05:31 PM, Ashman wrote: i shall also contribute

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At 11/20/10 04:26 PM, liljim wrote: Just because the rules have changed, it doesn't mean that there's going to be a hyperbole of gloom. The people who go to the flash forum go there because they're keen on learning flash, the people who go to the audio forum, likewise.

The same goes for the poeple that visit the art forum; in addition, they come here because they like the way the forum is run, they like the community that is active here, they like the general `culture` that the art forum houses.

I think the kind of exclusivity of people having to have some artistic merit and posting a picture to prove it before asking relevant questions is backward and not what any forum should be about.

And thats exactly why your question was answered regardless of you breaking that rule.

At 11/20/10 04:20 PM, Rachy22 wrote: I really like the colour pink, but why are you people posting pictures of willies?
I dont understand why anyone would want to see a collab like this, i wanted to draw a horse.
Do i have to draw the line from the top and work down?

Nah you can basically do anything, if it breaks a rule you can just remove the rule.

At 11/20/10 04:10 PM, TaykronGames wrote: Hi,

I made an animated sonic ring as part of my collection of free graphics to be used on your personal and commercial games.

Description:
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Sonic Ring Animations in 4 sizes and 30 frames each one:
16x16, 32x32, 64x64, 128x128

All files in PNG with alpha channel
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¿What you think?

You can find this and more useful graphics in the website of my sign.

I like the pic, but you arent supposed to post a starter pic anymore...
I think its great you are doing this for free, most artists are egotistical bastards that dont care about anybody else; I know I hate every single one of them with every fiber of my being.

At 11/20/10 04:07 PM, EJR wrote: It shouldn't be that way at all. No one should feel like they're doing something wrong by posting a simple, discussion-worthy question.

I totally agree with you, but this is something that has on multiple occasions been discussed in the lounge. As it is I think the advantages of the rule outweigh the disadvantages. Serious art discussions have in the past taken place both in the lounge as well as in threads created for these discussions. the discussion started just thought of creating a picture depicting the topic of the discussion. PROBLEM SOLVED!

At 11/20/10 04:04 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote: Is the cock joke enhanced by a bigger cock? The bigger the cock the bigger the punchline? What about micro-cocks? Are they as funny as jumbo cocks?

Are ball jokes out of the question?

These are questions that keep me up at night.

I call my cock bigjim, get it? cause im small jim and my cock is big lolol

I picked mine because its a mockery of liljim`s username

At 11/20/10 03:35 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote: I love how when last time liljim made a thread without a starting picture, Ben brought up the rules, liljim slapped him, and that was the end of discussion.
Now, in this instance, Leggy brings up the rules, liljim slaps him, and then everyone jumps on the bandwagon and starts a fucking riot.
But why?
What causes such a downward spiral into chaos and disorder?
What causes people to just lose their sense of humanity and revert into beasts of the wild, feeding and fighting with no rational thought.
I don't know whether to laugh at how ridiculous the forum has become, or whether to cry and the fact that it lies in ruins.
The forum has become the perfect model of a downward spiral into pandemonium and madness.
Is everyone too proud, so proud in fact that regardless of it they are wrong, they will still keep fighting?
Is everyone too proud to reach a compromise, an agreeable state where issues can be sorted out and the flames of hatred quenched?
Do I feel this way because I was away when the chaos started and was thus not lured into the burning wrath?
Or do I feel this way because I still retain a sense of morality and, although I love shenanigans, I feel that I could not ever stoop to such a level?
A war of words has become childish, and while each side may raise valid issues, it's become more a game of Red Rover, but neither side is winning.
Although an art forum reg, I'm an outsider on this discussion and I just await to see what happens.
I regret that I have but one post to make for my forum.

well jon, Although I partly agree with you, I also think there is
A: a huge difference between the two seperate events, this time, Jim removed the rule about startingpics so that he was in retrospect not breaking any rules.
B: Any normally functioning state can in wartime navigate away from certain otherwise desirable regulations for the sake of fighting a war. Ill leave it up to you to draw the parallels. True, noone wins in a war, but sometimes you lose more not going to war.

At 11/20/10 03:37 PM, liljim wrote: Then how in the hell has me asking for help turned into this mess?

It wasnt about you asking for help
and frankly, you were only told about the rules after four poeple had answered your question. Furthermore legolass didnt only point to the rules, he ALSO answered your question.

The mess you are talking about is the result of you removing rules as you see fit just so they suit your particular needs in that particular moment.

At 11/20/10 03:23 PM, liljim wrote: Aside from General and Clubs & Crews, pretty much every other forum supports people who're asking for help. If the art community is so secular that you refuse to allow any slight change to the behaviour of the forums or jump down the throats of anyone asking something that's actually on subject, then I am glad that I don't have any involvement in it.

I think that you think this is about you not posting a starter pic. THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU NOT POSTING A STARTER PIC! THIS IS ALSO NOT ABOUT US NOT WANTING TO ANSWER QUESTIONS!

AND he is SO humble!

At 11/20/10 02:35 PM, liljim wrote: ... I don't know the first thing about art.

At 11/20/10 03:11 PM, test-object wrote: Kraig, you suck at starting discussions because you don't give controversial examples.

Wim Delvoye made this piece: Cloaca. It's a machine that basically makes shit like the human body does. You can buy a bag of shit for a shit-ton of money (see what I did there?) and he gets sponsored by the government for it.
Is this still in the name and sake of art or not, in your opinion?

Lets keep this clear poeple, this is the art forum, so its for discussion of art. government sponsorship is obviously a political issue

At 11/20/10 03:05 PM, LegolaSS wrote:

At 11/20/10 03:02 PM, Ashman wrote: hey legolass i know you know the answer so what paints do i need :P
what do other people use, i cant paint with this rubbish iv got

depends on what your painting..

GEEZZ POEPLE! THIS IS WHAT THE POLITICS FORUM IS FOR! GOSH!

I really think this discussion should be placed in the politics forum!

At 11/20/10 02:51 PM, gmanthesandwhichking wrote: Mah ink is gone, how am I supposed to finish mah butiful pitchure?

Your ink was outdated so I removed it

At 11/20/10 02:57 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote: What is the nature of art? Can art be defined? Can you ever classify something as "not art?"

sips tea

Discuss.

ooh thats a very good question cause everyone knows that unlike other things, art is not regulated by rules and all!

At 11/20/10 02:49 PM, Kakashi1930 wrote: But since Liljim knows all, lets follow his logic. Why don't we let all of the tourists from other countries barge in and take over America's polls and vote for our next president? That should be fun!

Following jims logic we can just get out our rifles and shoot them all in the heads! cause like the rules against that are outdated anyways.

At 11/20/10 02:45 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote: I want to become a computer graphics designer, i am bad at art so I need a tablet. Where can i find a good tablet for cheap? kthxbai.

You dont need a tablet, cause there is absolutely no need to be able to do art to be an artist! In fact, noone should do art if you want to be slightly artistic

At 11/20/10 02:27 PM, Nae wrote: I can't do water color paints. it's hard. will you halp me!?

You could just change the rules so that you can; thats what I always do!