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Well bonelesses have probably always given you extra height, but we have just not needed to use them. Two sofas? Classy. Does it have its own TV? And those chairs....y'know comfy chairs. What happened to your foot? I heard that Gangs of New York was full of pointless violence....sounds good. I saw Two Towers with Dad on Sunday...quite frankly it's a horrific attempt at the story. THERE'S NO WALKING!

Chicken Curry tonight! Woo hoo(the same as that turkey one dad made)
Seeya

I've got to say it, the reason that America is overweight is Capitalism. Rightwing Economic thinkers assert that competition lead to improvements in cost and technology. There are also other effects, it leads to a lowering of quality where they can get away with it. Take McDonalds, the beef they use if just full of shit, taken from diseased cows, why? Because it is cheaper and they can get away with it! People eat there because of the taste, not because of the quality. It's the same with most products, it doesn't matter if it is loaded with fat and other shit, as long as it tastes nice!

Pornography is the root of evil. Yes, this is not a one-night process. it takes years for a rapist to grow.

Pornography can not be the root of all evil in itself. Your case is that its effects are evil,(not something I agree with) but pornography can have no effects if it is not seen. Therefore, the person who looks at pornography is evil.

Also, is it evil to make porn...or fun?

Canadians are santimonious schmucks who have an inferiority complex. I am sorry that your neighbor to the south "Us Glorious Americans" invented the first commercially viable lightbulb, the steam engine, mass produced the car, radio, television...not to mention saved the whole damn world...TWICE.

I think the steam engine was actually produced by the English, and the TV by a Scot. As for saving the world, hah. America didn't do much in WW1 apart from speed it up, and in WW2, while they did more, they did a lot lot less than Russia.

The fruits of Canada are what? Icehocky and a a state run HMO.

Basketball.

They should praise Jesus, and look to him for answers.

Yeah! Brillant answers which combine vagueness with lies! Or none at all(depending on your view of Jesus's answers.)

You do know they didn't start conscription! You were tricked!

Is it possible to have universal health care and not pay redicules taxes?

Very possible, cut back on defence spending.

If you don't like that idea then I challenge your idea that you would have to pay ridiculous taxes.

It is bad to call yourself durin's Bane because the Balrog took Gandalf away from the Fellowship and most likely resulted in the following breaking up of the fellowship. Which, if it hadn't happened would make it a lot easier to make into a film!

The word you were looking for was "Thiest".

I hate to tell you this, But Hitler was a better general than any current american general.

That doesn't say much for the generals.

I don't like the man, but the truth is, he was a political and military genius.

Hitler made some big big tactical mistakes. He was an efficent dictator, but he wasn't a brillant military mind.

Slowly I put snow in my mouth so he won't see me breathing
I aim for the eye
Then, slowly I squeeze the trigger
BANG!
(Then later you find out he missed and his grandfather shoots it "Forgive me grandfather, forgive me!)

Moving on...where the fuck did Leicester spend £74 million?! I mean they must have had money saved up already for the new ground instead of going and guessing they'd be in the Premiership for the net few years. Yeah, torquay won 3-1, but we still haven't got our top striker back...from wherever he is. your questions seem pretty easy(you best have mentioned Clause 4 in your Labour answer!) And what do you mean room on the floor? Isn't there a fucking sofa? And another thing, does it have a bath?

Things are fine over here, I had quite a few hours cut from my week with teachers being off. I re-read LOTR(all of them) in 10 days, which was pretty good going. Clearly I'm not adopted. And as for Tony Hawk's you have to do bonelesses to gain the extra height.

Wah! I can hear dad trying to sing "my kind of town" with his usual broken lyrics.
Anyhow, best be off
El Terro!

Great points, Slizor.

OK Since he didn't even post on this PAGE, i'm gonna assume that was a typo and you meant me, cause you followed my arguement...in which case thanks.

Hey, if people want to complimeant me when I didn't say anything I don't mind. Anyhow, how come this topic is STILL going...hasn't calmius left?

No I wouldn't. It is the people of a country who must bring about change.

In the United States the people control their government through elections

Hah, an election every four years really scares people!

but in countries like Iraq the people lack this power and their only means of governmental change is revolution. In the modern age revolutions are very difficult when the government is infinently better armed than the populous.

Well that's what happens when you arm people like that.

So, to stop him possibly killing thousands of people, you want to go in and definatly kill thousands of people. Hmm.

Look at the long term. Over the past twenty years Hussein has killed tens of thousands of his own people over the next twenty years he will likely kill tens of thousands more.

What could this war on Iraq unleash though? Imagine, you see some hornets attacking someone...so you go and hit the hornet nest. Lovely idea.

You overestimate Iraq's power.

No, my analogy is refering to the Middle East.

Nato dealt with them in two weeks in 93.

1991.

How long would it take this time with the just the United States....three weeks maybe four?

Speed is not indicitave of deaths. I'll have a look, but I think Iraq lost 150'000 people in the last war. Don't hold me to that figure though.

I'm not for the war that Bush and Co are pushing for, because I know how it will end. People dead and another Dictator. I'm against Saddam, but it doesn't mean I'm for a unilateral American invasion.

I would prefer if we just shot the bitch in the head personally. Someone would take his place but hopefully they wouldn't be as big a psychopath as Saddam.

Yes! That is what I want! I don't like Saddam, but I don't like unilateral US involvement! I want a Humanitarian Nation-building campaign. To set Iraq up properly.

You know the phrase "A person of their time"? Like the founding fathers of America had slaves...because they were people of their time? These are people of their culture.

A person of their time is an excellent phrase. I ask you why are Muslims unwilling to be people of their time and join the modern age? They feel secure within their own ignorance.

Swayside would you please stop using your blanket terms such as "Muslims" or "Arabs", this is not a matter of being PC, just C. Is the "modern age" a euphimism for America? Or can you actually define it? Would it be such ideas as say...not using capital punishment?

What I mean by the term "ass-backwards" is that the manner in which it is practiced in the Middle east is over a thousand years out of date.

How so?

Subjugation of women, stonings, intolerance of other cultures, intolerance of other religions, etc, etc.,

Where is this intolerance of other cultures and other religions? Palestinians are both Christian and Muslim, yet they get along fine.

Oh thats great he was attacking the building. Thats some great logic there Slizor. So if I nuked the Vatican I could claim I was protesting the Catholic stance on birth control and that the million casulties were just an unfortunate side effect. You really are a jackass.

So, he strikes the WTC, the Pentagon and attempted to attack Congress....hmm, economic, military and political....strange that. Of course he could have just attacked a more populas place than the WTC.

I'm not saying that he wasn't trying to make a point by where he attacked. But I don't see how his intent affects the fact that he murdered thousands of innocent people.

Intent is a very big part of morality.

he really wanted to make a statement he could have attacked the statue of liberty which is as powerful a symbol of America as there is and he wouldn't have killed nearly as many people. But instead he turned full passenger jets into bombs and used them to attack targets filled with innocents. Face it the man is a sick son of a bitch, far from the hero to his people that you seem to think he is.

I do not and never have supported OBL, do not try to put me on his side. I sit in a grey area thinking everyone is wrong.

Indeed, I apologise. But the Daisy Cutter is an indiscriminate weapon along with the cluster bombs dropped...

Both the cluster bomb and the Daisy Cutter have a very large radius of destruction however they aren't used near civilian populations.

*cough* Yes, of course not!

You had no right to. Like Britain has no right to remove your corrupt government.

If the Taliban was a popularly elected government you would be right. However they took power through military force and didn't hold free elections.

Saddam holds elections, is he a popularly elected government? Ariel Sharon is popularly elected, is he not corrupt?(If you don't agree with this, imagine it is any of Italy's leaders)

Heh, you try to put me on bin Laden's side. I seek not to apologise for what he did, but to point out what you did. And you have tried to avoid what I said. There is a dubious link between bin Laden and the Taliban.

The link between the two was dubious however we gave the Taliban the chance to continue their existence if they let us search for Bin Laden. They refused and they fucked themselves over.

The Taliban offered to hand bin Laden over THREE TIMES!

e took down an assemblage of corrupt fascists and helped to institute a democratic government. How can you call that a bad cause?

It is not a democratic government, however, I have little information on it due to the media blackout. Nice!

How dare you!? This would mean adding more of the crippling weight of beaurocracy to companies. As it is now, stifling the economy! YOU WANT TO STOP PEOPLE'S PROPERTY RIGHTS! You are a communist prick! You hate freedom!

A good war? There is no such thing as a good war. And taking out Saddam is not a just cause. Would it be right for Britain to take out Bush? Because we don't like/agree with him?

If Bush was murdering his own citizens and paying suicide bombers $20,000 a piece then yes you would.

No I wouldn't. It is the people of a country who must bring about change.

Also you should realize Slizor that not everyone in England shares your warped view on the world.

Warped? Hah.

Now, Imploded_Baby, I 100% Agree with you about everything said thus far. But, Slizor, you are as bad as anyone who advocated pure killing. You think we shouldnt kill Sadaam Hussein? In the future, he'll kill thousands of people.

So, to stop him possibly killing thousands of people, you want to go in and definatly kill thousands of people. Hmm.

Look at the long term. Over the past twenty years Hussein has killed tens of thousands of his own people over the next twenty years he will likely kill tens of thousands more.

What could this war on Iraq unleash though? Imagine, you see some hornets attacking someone...so you go and hit the hornet nest. Lovely idea.

I'm not for the war that Bush and Co are pushing for, because I know how it will end. People dead and another Dictator. I'm against Saddam, but it doesn't mean I'm for a unilateral American invasion.

If he is removed from power his people will have a much better quality of life and they will be free from his fascist regime. While you may not value freedom Slizor most people do.

Yes, of course they would! They wouldn't be run be American supported warlords!

How about the way that they subjegate their women? How about the stonings?

You judge from your cultural perspective. They can look down on your society because you make money from loans. Something Islam is against. And again, we are talking about the religion, not the societies in which the religion is prevalent.

I am judging the society, not the religion. The religion is fine, but its interpretation is flawed.
If you are going to use societal perspective as an excuse then you can excuse pretty much anything and you have no right to criticize anyone because they are entitled to their perspective no matter how warped.

You know the phrase "A person of their time"? Like the founding fathers of America had slaves...because they were people of their time? These are people of their culture.

What you say, from your extremely inexperenced view of Middle Eastern religion and society, is of little consequence, especially if you estimate your statistics.

Oh really I wasn't aware that they were taking a census of Muslim Clerics going door to door asking them "Are you an extremist?" or "Do you advocate terrorism?"

Because there are no statistics it does not give you free reign to make up them from what your hear from the American news.

Either you are inarticulate, or use doublethink. You said Islam is "ass-backward".

What I mean by the term "ass-backwards" is that the manner in which it is practiced in the Middle east is over a thousand years out of date.

How so?

Here is a little quote from the peace loving Yassar Arafat.

"With God´s help, next time we will meet in Jerusalem, because we are fighting to bring victory to our prophets, every baby, every kid, every man, every woman and every old person and all the young people, we will all sacrifice ourselves for our holy places and we will strengthen our hold of them and we are willing to give 70 of our martyrs for every one of theirs in this campaign, because this is our holy land."

And when was it said?

December 18, 2001 at a rally in Ramallah

Strange, can't seem to find a source on that. All I can find is him calling for an end to military incursions and suicide bombings... Not that it matters anyhow, since you still haven't proved that he supports Hamas.

I might remind you that those tall buildings had fifty thousand people in them, over three thousand of whom were killed, jackass!

I've never heard that there was 50 thousand people in the buildings, not that it matters. His target was not the people, but the building itself, what it symbolises.

Oh thats great he was attacking the building. Thats some great logic there Slizor. So if I nuked the Vatican I could claim I was protesting the Catholic stance on birth control and that the million casulties were just an unfortunate side effect. You really are a jackass.

So, he strikes the WTC, the Pentagon and attempted to attack Congress....hmm, economic, military and political....strange that. Of course he could have just attacked a more populas place than the WTC.

Yet they also used the "Daisycutter".....a carpet bomb.

The daisy cutter is very large bunker buster weapon. Carpet bombing is when one drops thousands of bombs across a large area. Get your terms straight.

Indeed, I apologise. But the Daisy Cutter is an indiscriminate weapon along with the cluster bombs dropped...

The only country linked to terrorism that we have bombed is Afghanistan

A dubious link it was indeed. The fact is OBL did what the US claimed to do. Bombed a country of terrorists.

We removed a corrupt government.

You had no right to. Like Britain has no right to remove your corrupt government.

Bin Laden accomplished nothing except misery, death and suffering. We also targeted military targets, while you could defend his attack of the Pentagon if you supported his warped beliefs, only someone with no ethics and no respect for human life could defend the destruction of the World Trade Center and the 3000+ lives that were extinguished with it.

Heh, you try to put me on bin Laden's side. I seek not to apologise for what he did, but to point out what you did. And you have tried to avoid what I said. There is a dubious link between bin Laden and the Taliban.

Eye for an Eye.....

Makes the whole world blind.

Got the book, I liked the chapter on education, but I disagree on most of his information. I don't think his sources are very accurate as I have conflicting information.

Is it possible that your sources are not very accurate?

Dammit, I wish you could just see. Regardless of the important civilians in other countries, killing people is not right unless there is a just cause. I dont care if we kill an entire country over a good war, but I do care about the fact that terrorism killed 3000+ americans in the 9-11 Tragedy.

A good war? There is no such thing as a good war. And taking out Saddam is not a just cause. Would it be right for Britain to take out Bush? Because we don't like/agree with him?

Now, Imploded_Baby, I 100% Agree with you about everything said thus far. But, Slizor, you are as bad as anyone who advocated pure killing. You think we shouldnt kill Sadaam Hussein? In the future, he'll kill thousands of people.

So, to stop him possibly killing thousands of people, you want to go in and definatly kill thousands of people. Hmm.

Do you think thats wrong? If you dont, then you yourself are a murderer.

What is it with this Bush logic!? "People who support terrorists are terrorists themselves." It doesn't make any sense!

Please explain how it is "ass backward".

How about the way that they subjegate their women? How about the stonings?

You judge from your cultural perspective. They can look down on your society because you make money from loans. Something Islam is against. And again, we are talking about the religion, not the societies in which the religion is prevalent.

I am not religous but I have nothing against most religions. Islam however (note Islam is not as radical in the West) has some serious flaws. While the Koran itself is fine their clerics instruct them to go out and kill the infidel and that there is a zionists plot to destroy them.

No that is extremists, not every muslim cleric.

Not every Muslim cleric but a great number of the clerics in the middle east are extremists. (I'd say over 50%) These cleics then poison the midns of their followers and propogate hatred and ignorance.

What you say, from your extremely inexperenced view of Middle Eastern religion and society, is of little consequence, especially if you estimate your statistics.

America tolerates the Christians....anyhow, on a different note, Islam is practised fanatically in Britain and especially where I live. The majority of people in every school that I went to have been Asian, and a lot of them are Muslims. Hell I lived next to a mosque.

As I said the manner in which Islam is practiced in the west is different from how it is practiced in the Middle East. The religion itself isn't flawed it is the manner in which it is interpreted.

Either you are inarticulate, or use doublethink. You said Islam is "ass-backward".

This coming from an American. Hah! America seems to systematically try and wipe cultures out. As you seem to be condoning in your post.

Really? I don't see Americans taking bazookas to ancient Buddhist statues.

There are many ways of eroding cultures.

Yassar Arafat is not a terrorist, nor funds them.

He supports both Hamas and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade.

Bhull-sheat.

Here is a little quote from the peace loving Yassar Arafat.

"With God´s help, next time we will meet in Jerusalem, because we are fighting to bring victory to our prophets, every baby, every kid, every man, every woman and every old person and all the young people, we will all sacrifice ourselves for our holy places and we will strengthen our hold of them and we are willing to give 70 of our martyrs for every one of theirs in this campaign, because this is our holy land."

And when was it said?

We are a bigger criminal than Saddam Hussein who decorates his palaces with the toil of his exploited followers and who gases anyone with the courage to stand up to his fascist regime?

Considering you gave him that gas...yes, yes I do.

He made that gas himself and used it on his own people.

No, he was given that gas and he used it on the Kurds.

We are a bigger criminal than Osama Bin Laden who takes his blind agression out on innocent men, women, and children?

Yes, he may strike a tall building of yours and reduce it to rubble. But you carpet bomb countries because they are linked to terrorists. And may I remind you, this carpet bombs would kill the innocent men, women and children that you so care about.

I might remind you that those tall buildings had fifty thousand people in them, over three thousand of whom were killed, jackass!

I've never heard that there was 50 thousand people in the buildings, not that it matters. His target was not the people, but the building itself, what it symbolises.

We spend $500,000 a piece on laser guided bombs explictly with the purpose of reducing civilian casulties.

Yet they also used the "Daisycutter".....a carpet bomb.

The only country linked to terrorism that we have bombed is Afghanistan

A dubious link it was indeed. The fact is OBL did what the US claimed to do. Bombed a country of terrorists.

and we got out of that war with very few civivilian casulties.

Do you have any stats on this, or is this a guestimate based on the amount of news coverage?

I see you have taken your political correctness pill which blurs your entire vision of the Middle East and Islam. Saying that Islam is an assbackwards religion may make me look like a backwoods gun toting hick but its still true.

Please explain how it is "ass backward".

I am not religous but I have nothing against most religions. Islam however (note Islam is not as radical in the West) has some serious flaws. While the Koran itself is fine their clerics instruct them to go out and kill the infidel and that there is a zionists plot to destroy them.

No that is extremists, not every muslim cleric.

You wouldn't tolerate a religion such as this if it was being fanatically practiced in your country but since its in the middle east you would claim that

America tolerates the Christians....anyhow, on a different note, Islam is practised fanatically in Britain and especially where I live. The majority of people in every school that I went to have been Asian, and a lot of them are Muslims. Hell I lived next to a mosque.

I ask you why? They don't respect our culture or any other culture except their own and they take their agression out on the scapegoats their clerics claim are the source of all their ills.

This coming from an American. Hah! America seems to systematically try and wipe cultures out. As you seem to be condoning in your post.

Why should their culture excuse their inhuman acts?

Does it? No, there has been condemnation by some countries in the Middle East.

To an extent the United States's actions have been magnified, but the wrongs of the United States in the Middle East are many and the US is by far the biggest criminal.

We are a bigger criminal than Yassar Arafat who accepts a Nobel Peace Prize (interesting side note Ghandi doesn't have a Nobel Peace Prize) as he is funding suicide bombings on Israel?

Yassar Arafat is not a terrorist, nor funds them. (Interesting side note, Henry Kissinger has a nobel peace prize.)

We are a bigger criminal than Saddam Hussein who decorates his palaces with the toil of his exploited followers and who gases anyone with the courage to stand up to his fascist regime?

Considering you gave him that gas...yes, yes I do.

We are a bigger criminal than Osama Bin Laden who takes his blind agression out on innocent men, women, and children?

Yes, he may strike a tall building of yours and reduce it to rubble. But you carpet bomb countries because they are linked to terrorists. And may I remind you, this carpet bombs would kill the innocent men, women and children that you so care about.

Zio: Clearly your life views are a big messed up. I mean....straight edge? Fucking hell. No poison? So that would mean no caffiene, no McDonalds(this is a policy of mine hactually), no meat, no beer, no sweet things...no nothing! And what do you get?!? Diddly squat! A few more years where you're old and weak! Great!

Why do you name yourself after a Balrog, Durin's Bain? Just out of interest.

But the fact is that the Palestinians DO have to settle for a small piece of land. They have no leverage, no negotiating power, to room to move about in.

To the person that responded to this, the Palestinians are willing to negotiate for a lot less land. The PLO figure is 22%, full autonomy and no settlements.

The hoped for Palestinian state cannot and SHOULD not be next to Isreal. All that will happen is the continuation of this war. Even if you say that it is caused by the lack of a palestinian state, it will be safer for both parties if there is a buffer zone.

Just to clarify, are you saying there should be a UN buffer...or a Palestinain state in another country...as the Repulicans want.

The US should just finish Iraq and be done with it. No puppet government, split it up. Give part to Kuwait, part to Iran, part to Saudi Arabia, some to Jordan, and then trade some to Jordan for some of their land near Palestine.

This kind of goes against the whole idea of self-determination.....the issue of the Palestinians.

FYI: Again a point I'd like to clarify. There has never been an independent Palestinian state. The Palestinians (quite rightly) rejected the UN settlement giving them a (divided) independent land. Before this it was a British mandate, coming from Turkey at the end of WW1.

I hope your politics exam goes well, or did. The topics seem pretty easy. I completed THPS4 a few days ago, because I'm just that good. Bah, I'm really tired today, but I really have to go to the gym because I've really gotta keep mum going. I'll just have to sacrafise(how do you spell it!?) my health. I'll have to come up and check this new flat of yours out. Have you found out what your other roommate(Russell?) is doing?

Later

Oh yes we do so much to harm the poor terrorists. We buy fucking oil from them and make them filthy rich.

Haha. I see you have taken your propaganda pill which blurs your entire vision of the Middle East, and Islam.

Face it the United States is a scapegoat for the wrongs of their own corrupt, fascist governments.

To an extent the United States's actions have been magnified, but the wrongs of the United States in the Middle East are many and the US is by far the biggest criminal.

You ingrateful little bitch! We fucking save your ass from the fucking Germans and you have the nerve to complain that the U.S. screwed you over?

You really should do some History then I wouldn't have to correct you. Britain saved itself from Hitler, they won the battle of Britain, there was no way Hitler would invade. The majority of Hitler's armies were sent to fight the USSR, who, if any single country won the war, it would be them. They killed 80% of all German soliders. And the US did indeed screw Britain over, especially on the issue of the A-bomb. Where British science and information was sent to America, along with the German jewish element to build an A-bomb. The Americans knew very little at the time, after the war ended the Americans said they would not tell Britain how to build an A-bomb. I could go into more detail if you wish, but I fear I will only embarass you with your ignorance.

Ever hear of the Marshall plan mother fucker?

Yes, a plan which gave money to countries to A) get them trading again and B) stop communist revolutions.

We rebuilt your god damned island after World War II along with the rest of Europe.

You overestimate the importance of the Marshall Plan, the Marshall Plan, the Labour Government and the loans from US and Canada(notice a loan is when some money is "loaned" and then paid back with interest) not to mention the people of Britain rebuilt Britain's economy.

You know where you would be without the U.S.?

Probably enjoying myself since you and the ignorance that surrounds you and most of your countrymen would not exist.

Yes lets appease the wolves brilliant idea! Its worked so well in the past....like when that wonderful Prime Minister of yours Neville Chamberlain tried it.

You do realise the territorial ambitions of Hitler are nothing like the ambitions of the "terrorists". Hitler wanted to take what was not his, which would be considered a wrong, terrorists want to stop America wronging them(well, the ones we are talking about).

If you don't trust the current government why would you be willing to follow one that is entrusted with much more power (and thus control) than the current system?

I don't trust the government because A) we have a weak form of democracy, unlike that of a socialist one and B) they have been proven untrustworthy many times.