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Someone brought up a really good point.

What have you (you being most of the people in the thread that are not artists) contributed to newgrounds? SS was the first for a lack of a better word "break" for many artists. Now, I am not a big fan of some of their flashes, but they were an asset to newgrounds and very underappreciated.

I think a better solution than simply killing off SS would have been a split off of some sort.

I suggest that some of the old members restart SS. And when I say old members I mean hardcore dedicated ones, the founders. Step out of the ashes. If there is to be another SS, it has to have its roots.

To the members of SS that wanted higher quality flashes:
I suggest that you take the rest of the SS that was like minded and form a seperated group. After all, you are the people that deviated from what the SS clearly was.

Either way, I am sure either group could do well if it only tried to.

Well, I do admit when I first saw the Dailytoons, I assumed the were crap, and thus I voted zero. But as I was on Newgrounds longer, I began to actually enjoy some of their flashes. They were making fun of the very system they were using. They were pointing out flaws in the system. Were they appreciated? Certainly not. Too many fanboys and n00bs voted zero without even looking into why SS did what they did.

I agree with Jagazaar. Newgrounds, in all of its fanboy, n00b, biased glory reared its deformed head and killed the SS, the very group that was trying to revolutionalize flash by bringing to light flaws in the portal.

For shame...

At 5/5/06 11:54 PM, fallen_son wrote:

At 3/28/06 09:48 AM, x_Toadenalin_x wrote: apart from worshipping a different God (in their case, this 'God' is usually some tangible object, rather than a 'God' in the traditional sense.

athiests dont have any god what so ever, your stupid

A "God" is something they focus their life on, whether it be TV, computer, or even science.

If you are going to say "your stupid", make sure you say "You're stupid." instead.
Makes calling a smart person stupid a little less stupid looking.

At 3/28/06 04:54 PM, Blackmagic wrote:

At 3/28/06 04:49 PM, Dracul3S wrote:

Well, yes most of you are. Some of my best friends even. I like your idea of turning things around. Usually we atheists mock you. About time someone showed us!

Why the hell isn't there any anti atheist flashes out there?! Someone do one for fucks sake!

There are tons of them. Just type in "Jesus" on the search panel. Most are blashemous (spelling) though.

Predestination...
God knows what you are going to do.
But He still gives you a choice...
Jesus knew Judas would betray Him; He even told Judas "You will betray me."
But Judas still had a choice.
Jesus simply knew what he would choose.

Be wary of stuff like this and the Da Vinci Code.
They're crap.
Lies.
Misinformation.
Distraction.

At 5/17/06 10:48 PM, cmssmc wrote: if u want help wif this sorta stuff ask away

Careful. I tried to do axactly what you are doing now and went to school. When I came back, the thread had jumped 6 pages. You had better be biblicaly and spiritualy ready. I'll help you out though.

At 5/17/06 09:17 PM, fallen_son wrote: im reading a book called the case for christ. not by my own will of coarse. i go to a christian school and im the only one in my bible class who has to read this shit (in the last 2 weeks before exams) and do a book report on it. i know my mom told the teacher to do this to me but she wont admit it. she cant respect the fact that i dont want to be christian.

I think she is trying to help you.

anyway, this book is supposed to proove christianity in some way or proove that christ was god. this book proovs nothing. the only evidence hes using is bible verses. what if i dont belive the bible is true? does that make this book a complete waste of time? can somone who has read this book please clarify for me?

Haven't read it. Tell you what. Look up apologetics on Google. They have an answer for just about any question you can think of. Try it out.

this book seems to be less about prooving christ was god, and more about just reviewing what the bible sais about him being god. this book prooves nothing. christians and those who ahve read/heard of this book, respond. i am intorested in the other side of the coin.(lol metaphor)

I noticed that you plan on doing something else for your paper. By all means do. It may be a challenge to PROVE THE BIBLE WRONG. Think about it.

At 5/1/06 05:11 PM, Nylo wrote: To be fair, most religions under definition are forms of cults. I (as a Catholic) grew up amongst Jehova's whitnesses when I was a kid, and Mormons during my teens. My experience is that they're generally really, really nice people.

Yep, but nice people can still be very, very, lost.

In my experience here are the pros and cons I've had with the people of the respective religions:

**Note, These are sweeping generalizations. Don't take them too seriously, though chances are you know 1 or 2 people that fit the profile**

Jehova's: Pros: Very dependable people. Great friends to have in a bind.
Cons: Generally think you are going to hell. =/

Mormons: Pros: Extremely friendly, involved people. Great study-buddies.
Cons: Tend to be very "clique=ish" and somewhat snooty.

Chatholics: Pros: Naughty Catholic girls. >=)
Cons: Pretty much everything in the Da Vinci Code.

Listen, JW's are nice people. Never said they were not. Don't hate lost people. Give them pity. Try to help them. All hate breeds is more hate.

At 5/1/06 06:52 AM, fli wrote:

At 5/1/06 05:42 AM, SilentPoet wrote: Nope. Killing behind sterile doors and killing in the alleyways are the same. Killing.

I don't know where you got this notion that I was argueeing about this-- however, if you will...

Mmm.
Killing is killing. Okay. Given--
but at the same time, do you approve a woman dying too? There is so much more possibilities of woman getting sick and dying after a dirty abortion.

Women can die from legal abortions as well.

I prefer just one instead of two.

I prefer to save them both if I can.

But then again--
Killing has been sanctioned. Except, we just call it, "death penalty". Or, "administration of death." Yet, many people who disapprove killing, approve the killing (let's call this "murder" instead) of a crazy pshyco serial killer. After all... Killing is killing.

I do not agree with the death peanlty, but that is for another thread.

I agree with you that illegalizing abortion will not prevent it. However, legalizing it with make it more accesable, making it more mainstream, more accesilbe, okay. Killing innoncence is NOT okay.

I don't know where you get this notion that abortion is "okay". I'm pretty sure that more most woman who are considering abortion... it's gonna be a hard decision.

Well, if the government allows it, people will think it is okay.

Legalizing it doesn't increase it.
Instead, it creates more danger.

Look what this type of thinking does in the first place:
People are against of birth control because it will cause more sex to happen. Making it not accessible will curb it.

It proved otherwise.

If there is something that you are ashamed of, chances are, it's for good reason.

Yes-- a child is something to be ashamed of...

I was speaking of having an abortion.

Yes... people are suppose to die trying to please everyone else because they're saying, "If there's something that you are ashamed of... it's for a good reason."

Read above. Sorry for confusion.

Take some responsibilty people. Your fellow human beings are quietly being slaughtered being government funded abortion clinics. And yes, I did use the term slaughtered. I can find no better word. How else would you descricbe what they do?

Take some responsibilty people. Your fellow human beings are quietly being slaughtered being secret abortion clinics or at homes. And yes, I did use the term slaughtered. I can find no better word. How else would you descricbe what happens?

They WILLINGLY do that. Babies don't. There is a difference. And what happens to a mother during abortion complications is NOTHING compared to what happens to the baby. Look up the procedures used.

Really--
we need to stop acting naive.

I won't back down. Call me naive, but I actually vaule life. Guess that makes me naive.

I'm not calling you naive.
But I've known families in Mexico, friends and family to my family.

Whatever impressions you get, at least know this: I care about life as much as you do.
However-- I believe in quality of life too. Because living life and not being provided for or whatever is no real life to live. Now I won't go saying we should abort galore because life is tough. But if a kid can't be provided because of poverty--

I vaule all life. Life lived is better than life never lived.

And adoption is a fine option. Except that people chose the "beautiful" and the others are forced either to grow up in adoption, or shuffled around. Of course we could fix the situation by allowing gays to more readily adopt... but I guess a kid growing up with two spinster "aunts" or two bachelaur "uncles" is morally bad, instead of thinking about the repucusions of not letting them being adopted by loving families... But I'm off subject. I return...

I like adoption as well. I don't mind gays adopting etiher. I don't like discrimination on the governments part either.

You should start caring for the people outside the womb.

I care for innocence. Not just for what I can see. Abortionist use ultrasound for an abortion. Most of the time, if a mother sees the baby about to be aboorted on the ultrasound screen, she will change her mind. You see, you know it, and with knowing comes loving.

But I could say atleast that only one person dies... instead of two... with my decision.
The same cannot be said for yours.

Both can be saved. And both could die.
But both can die from abortion as well, legal or illegal.
I had rather shoot higher than that.

At 5/1/06 08:32 PM, themagicalpig wrote:

At 5/1/06 04:39 PM, CorbanX wrote:

At 5/1/06 04:28 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote: Hitler opposed abortion, by the way.

O RLY?

Please stop beliveing everything you read on the internet. Take a look at the bottom of the article and the source it cited.

Just becasue it is faith based doesn't mean it's full of crap, you know...

At 5/1/06 03:51 PM, mofomojo wrote:

At 5/1/06 04:45 AM, SilentPoet wrote: Okay.

To those who say Planned Parenthood saves lives--
What do yo think an abortion does? It ends a life.

It's interesting that you say this, since most infants can't pass the self-awareness test (ability to recognize oneself and one's own actions in a mirror) until almost after the age of two.

Ends a sentient life? Yeah, yeah it does. It ends the sentient life of the embryo; does it end the conscious life? No; because the conscious life has not yet begun and therefore your argument is partially invalid.

So, until the infant reaches the age of two; it does not have a properly functioning conscious mind. A death means nothing without the loss of a mind and a character. Of course, you could argue that we would miss out on what could be; but this is pointless since one can never predict the future.

I meany human life. Innocent life.
Is someone in a coma inhuman because they are not concious of what's around them?
Of course not.

About the self awareness test--
Are you saying it is okay to kill up to the age of two?
So is it okay to go ahead and kill the babies that are not concious of the world around them?

Harsh. Really.

At 5/1/06 06:06 AM, FAB0L0US wrote:

At 5/1/06 05:47 AM, SilentPoet wrote: Dude...
You can't be serious...
Ever been held at gunpoint by a crackhead?
There. Crackheads are changed when they get hooked. They end up being nothing more than a shell fo their former selfs and want nothing more than another fix.
Call it harmless. I dare you.

1) Crack and coke are different, smart boy.

Not that much different.

2) And YOU have been held at gunpoint by a strung out crackhead? Sure...

My mom works at a package store. That sorta thing happens often there.

3) How many crackheads have you met? They are a mess and will be the first to admit it.

Exactly, drugs really mess people up. Makes them do crazy things. Things they wouldn't normally do.

4) Your example is a CRIME. It conflicts with others intrests, namely, their possessions and life. I would say the goverment should lock someone up who does something like this for decades. You give people free choice but hold them responsible when they abuse that right.

MY choice to do or not to do coke is harmless to you.
Call it harmful. I dare you.

Choice is an excuse.
An incredibly bad excuse.
Yet people jump at excuses...

And you shoving your morality down other peoples throats is somehow admirable.
Right.

And mothers showing their morality or lackthereof by killing their baby is?

And maybe you should try reading my post.

The goverment simply has no right to interfere in our personal lives if what you are doing harms no one else.

Well, this topic is about Planned Paernthood. My tax money going to the funding of killing innocents is not okay in my book, no matter what else PP does.

Anywho, let's stop talking about drugs get back on topic.

At 5/1/06 05:29 AM, FAB0L0US wrote:

At 5/1/06 04:45 AM, SilentPoet wrote: I ask you this:
Since drugs like cocaine will always be around, should we sell that lawfuly too?

Yes, but for many more reasons than just that.

Of course not. Making something bad lawful so that it can be carried out easier does not make what's happening any better.

Tell me why cocaine is bad. It may harm someones health but it is their OWN CHOICE. Same with abortion. The goverment has no right to restrict choices that conflict with no one else.

The goverment simply has no right to interfere in our personal lives if what you are doing harms no one else.

Dude...
You can't be serious...
Ever been held at gunpoint by a crackhead?
There. Crackheads are changed when they get hooked. They end up being nothing more than a shell fo their former selfs and want nothing more than another fix.
Call it harmless. I dare you.

And about choice--
A choice to murder is no good choice.
Still doesn't change what happens.
How about I choose to poo on your head? *joking*
Its my choice!
See? Doesn't change what actually is happening.
Choice is an excuse.
An incredibly bad excuse.
Yet people jump at excuses...

At 5/1/06 05:05 AM, fli wrote:

At 5/1/06 04:45 AM, SilentPoet wrote: Since drugs like cocaine will always be around, should we sell that lawfuly too?
Of course not. Making something bad lawful so that it can be carried out easier does not make what's happening any better.

You can't compare drugs and abortion. They're so different in nature that the analogy is not only ineffective... it's not logical.

Perhaps, that was a bad example...

You can't really compare to a girl or a woman, who maybe scared about getting an abortion but needs one for whatever reason... to a person who takes drugs.

Perhaps...but both parties are desperate...

And yes-- legal abortions are better because they're much more safter than abortions that are forced to do the procedure secretly. This is because the legal abortions create an clinics with a strict health protocal. Whereas the other... well... woman are so much more at risk.

Nope. Killing behind sterile doors and killing in the alleyways are the same. Killing.

Illegalizing abortion does not prevent them.
Daughters. Mothers. Aunts. Grandmothers. Friends. Family.
They're dying right now in Mexico because they believe in an ideal that doesn't happen in real life: that all pregancies come to full term and that they can give the baby away.

I agree with you that illegalizing abortion will not prevent it. However, legalizing it with make it more accesable, making it more mainstream, more accesilbe, okay. Killing innoncence is NOT okay.

Instead, it creates a strong unrealistic view of the world.

I disagree. I know that all babies won't make it. I also know that some mothers may not survive birth. But there is a chance of survival. I'd rather die giving birth than die later on knowing I killed my child.

And when a girl makes a mistake, she's too scared to approach her own family because they have ideals what the world should be.

So they go into hiding, and then-- the bad news.
My daughter is dead because I had this ideal that didn't fit with reality.
My sister is not alive because she had blood poisoning.
I bury my mom because nobody thought about her health.

If there is something that you are ashamed of, chances are, it's for good reason.

Take some responsibilty people. Your fellow human beings are quietly being slaughtered being government funded abortion clinics. And yes, I did use the term slaughtered. I can find no better word. How else would you descricbe what they do?

Take some responsibilty people. Your fellow human beings are quietly being slaughtered being secret abortion clinics or at homes. And yes, I did use the term slaughtered. I can find no better word. How else would you descricbe what happens?

They WILLINGLY do that. Babies don't. There is a difference. And what happens to a mother during abortion complications is NOTHING compared to what happens to the baby. Look up the procedures used.

Really--
we need to stop acting naive.

I won't back down. Call me naive, but I actually vaule life. Guess that makes me naive.

At 5/1/06 05:10 AM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote:

At 5/1/06 04:45 AM, SilentPoet wrote: Okay.

Let's do this.

To those who say Planned Parenthood saves lives--
What do yo think an abortion does? It ends a life.

Not all people agree with your premise that abortion is equivalent to ending a human life.

Then please tell me just what does it do? It ends life plain and simple. No getting around that.

To those who prefer not to sign the petition on account of condom handouts--
You can get them from any clinic. Government can't stop you from getting them.

Is that true? I'm not trying to discredit you but I've never heard of clinics providing free condoms, no questions asked to anyone, including minors, without informing the parents.

There's a clinic by my school that does it. Perhaps it is not like this nationwide, but I belive if someone can't get condoms, they really shouldn't be having sex in the first place. But thats a whole other topic.

To the people complaining over the wire hanger--
Abortion is a terrible thing, correct? No one likes it. No one skips home after an abortion. What makes you think that lawful abortion is better than unlawful. Both are terrible things that shouldn't be allowed.

I'll agree that Abortion isn't a pleasant experience, but obviously, to some people, it is better than the alternative. In a country where abortion is legal, women should have resources available to allow them to get the answers they need about this procedure.

Better than the alternative? Killing life is better than perserving it? I think not. I do agree that women should be properly informed about abortion and what it does. Just like I believe in drug education and sex education. Kids need to know that stuff is out there so they won't be blindsided by it later on.

ask you this:
Since drugs like cocaine will always be around, should we sell that lawfuly too?
Of course not. Making something bad lawful so that it can be carried out easier does not make what's happening any better.

I think you have made too big of an assumption with your rhetorical question. I'd say that it would be wise to take a pragmatic stance on illegal drugs. Heroin for example, is a dangerous drug that is bad for public health, but it might not be that bad of an idea to provide free or inexpensive sterile needles. Few people who are addicted to Heroin will stop using Heroin if there are no clean needles, but I imagine, given the choice between clean needles and dirty needles, they'll take clean needles. The result is the spread of disease is reduced which is good for EVERYONE.

Well, perhaps that was a bad example. Perhaps I should use another one.
Since prostituttion will always be around, should the government fund it/ tax it/ etc?

Take some responsibilty people. Your fellow human beings are quietly being slaughtered being government funded abortion clinics. And yes, I did use the term slaughtered. I can find no better word. How else would you descricbe what they do?

I don't think everyone will agree that fetuses that are indistinguishable from animal fetuses are exactly equivalent to human beings.

Doesn't matter what people belive. Doesn't change the truth.

Stop finding excuses. Stop the apathy. Stop the slaughter. Start living for more than yourself.

Your whole opposition to Planned Parenthood is obviously a result of your anti-abortion stance. Unless you can find some other reason to be against PP, I don't think you'll have much luck persuading PP's supporters to turn away.

Yep. I don't like abortion. I won't back down fromm my stance either.

At 4/18/06 10:46 AM, GSgt_Liberal wrote: There is a God. Ever heard of the Noahide Laws? Even if people are atheists, all they have to do is be morally upright. Everyone who is morally upright benefits!

Hmmm.
Not so fast there. No one goes to heaven for morals alone...

I really don't like it when people are made fun of because of their beliefs. It creates tension.

I admit that some of the stuff they believed happened is obviously made up, but they're seeking answers. They're desperate.

Give them your pity and not your hate.

At 4/28/06 08:37 PM, LettuceClock wrote:

At 4/22/06 09:32 PM, SilentPoet wrote:

I just did.

Good, then notice how it DOESN'T say "all religions outside the gospel". If that was the definition, Judaism and Islam would all be cults.

There is a difference between relgions and cults. Relgion is stuff like Judaism and Isalm. Christianity is not a religion. Cults are stuff like JWs.

Just what are you?

Doesn't matter. By your definition, if someone isn't you're religion, it's a cult. You don't believe mine, so YOURS is a cult.

I don't have a reilgion. Relgion sucks.

He didn't say that. He never did.

Yes. He did. He said they did not believe his religions beliefs, so they are a cult.

He said they were outside the Gospel. By Gospel I mean God's message to the world. Perhaps I should have said that at first.

I think there must have been a failure of communication here. I said it would not be a good idea to post when you are mad, which I thought you were. That's all. You can still post when you're mad, it'll just look rushed and irrational. I was trying to help you out. Give me a break.

PLEASE, JUST STOP BEING MAD AND YELLING AT ME!!! THE ONLY REASON YOU DISAGREE WITH ME IS BECAUSE YOUR MAD!

Wow, it sure is annoying when someone who has never met you tells you what emotions your feeling, then says the only reason your saying something is because of your rage. Take the hint, and stop doing that. Why don't we just drop that subject?

Sorry, fine. I was just trying to help you out.

I just apologized for what I did. I realized it could lead to a flame war and I don't want that here. Does that make me a wuss? No.

Insulting me, then stepping back when a lash out about it is, yes.

Go ahead and call me a wuss. Flaming would be detremental to this thread. However, if you wish to have a flame war elsewhere, please say so and maybe we can flame there.

And I don't believe I was being a hypocrite.

Telling me not to flame people, then flaming me, is hypocritical, yes.

I flamed you once and apologized for it. You've have been trying to flame me this whole time. I noticed what this was turning into so, I apologized and asked you to stop. I didn't flame after that.

Everyone who has ever read the Bible understood it's message right then and there. It's a universal message. The real question is whether or not someone accepts that message. God's message wasn't unclear. Some just aren't willing to accept it.

Ummm.... No. It's hard to take any one book of the bible without differing interpretations. The gospel, being FOUR books, is open to a ton. There are many, many ways to interpret all of that, and saying the bible can easily be interprutted is just stupid. And Jehova's Witnesses DO accept the New Testement, all of it, so obviously they accept the gospel.

Nope. Wasn't talking about the Gospel as in the 4 books. I as talking about what God told us.

He told us what please him and what angers him. Try to guess what Jehovah's Witness do.

They do what they believe pleases god, and avoid what they beleive displeases him. They don't do anything he specifically said is a sin or bad.

Well, they're wrong. And blasphemy is bad.

Fine. I'll call them JW's. Second, this source has the actual beliefs of JW's because someone actually bothered to read their monthly and semianuual publications and ask JW's their beliefs, which they were happy to share.

And I am sure that person either misunderstood or straight up warped what they did to make them look bad. Face it; he has second hand knowledge, and you have THIRD. I still don't think that means you should think you somehow know more then someone who (quite regrettably) spent 13 years of his life being a JW.

Well. Sorry. Didn't know you were a JWs. You have my sympathy. However, I will not take back what I said. They're a cult. Plain and simple. I was not trying to insult you. I was simply helping Moral_Man out. He was right, after all.
About the book: you can check with your own sources if you want. Everything in tis book acurately describes wha JWs belive. If it was simple propaganda, I would have noticed and wouldn't have bothered with it. Most of its info comes from actual JWs publishings. They have their own magazines and such. Info was also taken form sermons preached at JWs churches. Don't worry. It's not biased enough to warp info.

Try to at least be polite, here ok? If you wanna flame, start a thread somewhereelse and flame me there.

No. Do not insult me, do not get insulted. You already crossed it, and I, from this point on, refuse to show you politeness.

I wasn't insulting you. I was trying to keep

THis is supposed to be about JW's and not "OMG! UR A HYPROKRITE!"
Seriously.

This wasn't supposed to be "OMG! UR ANGRY" either, but you still brought it up. Arguments tend to incorporate new themes. Deal.

I wasn't making it into a "OMG! UR ANGRY" thread. That took up only a small bit of my post. Since I have posted it, it has been blown out of proportion. It was a suggestion. I was trying to help you out. That's all.

Okay.

To those who say Planned Parenthood saves lives--
What do yo think an abortion does? It ends a life.

To those who prefer not to sign the petition on account of condom handouts--
You can get them from any clinic. Government can't stop you from getting them.

To the people complaining over the wire hanger--
Abortion is a terrible thing, correct? No one likes it. No one skips home after an abortion. What makes you think that lawful abortion is better than unlawful. Both are terrible things that shouldn't be allowed.

I ask you this:
Since drugs like cocaine will always be around, should we sell that lawfuly too?
Of course not. Making something bad lawful so that it can be carried out easier does not make what's happening any better.

Take some responsibilty people. Your fellow human beings are quietly being slaughtered being government funded abortion clinics. And yes, I did use the term slaughtered. I can find no better word. How else would you descricbe what they do?

Stop finding excuses. Stop the apathy. Stop the slaughter. Start living for more than yourself.

Ok...
I just tried drawing the chacters and animating them...
I'm crap when it comes to drawing...
Is there any way to capture video and put it to flash? I'm not sure tit would work for google video...

Anywho, I figure that if I outline the actors, frame by frame, I could touch up some stuff wothout actually drawing it, but tracing it.

Would that work?

At 4/25/06 11:16 PM, red_skunk wrote:

At 4/25/06 11:13 PM, SilentPoet wrote: Hmmm...
I don't hate them...

What's wrong with you?

I don't quite understand...
Is there something wrong wih me?
I think not...

Hmmm...
I don't hate them...

Well, we are headed in that direction, are we not?
Look around. Look on TV. Everything is about appearance and immediate retribution.

At 4/21/06 12:45 AM, LettuceClock wrote:

At 4/21/06 12:06 AM, SilentPoet wrote:

Religion is man's attempt to reach God. Christ was God reaching out to man. Cults are a group that claim to be Christian. but accept one or more tenets of belief that run contrary to the Gospel.

No. They arn't. It's quite possible to be a cult without being Christian. Look the word up.

I just did.

Guess what. I'm not Catholic.

Well, whatever it is, it's not MY religion, so it's a cult.

Just what are you?

Well, how was he being ignorant? For telling others what he believes? Surely not. Please elaborate on exactly how he was being ignorant.

By saying they do not believe with me, they are a cult.

He didn't say that. He never did.

You seem to have not understood my post. I was trying to tell you that it is not a good idea to post when you're mad.

PLEASE stop posting at me when your mad! PLEASE! The only reason you are arguing is because you are mad!

I think there must have been a failure of communication here. I said it would not be a good idea to post when you are mad, which I thought you were. That's all. You can still post when you're mad, it'll just look rushed and irrational. I was trying to help you out. Give me a break.

Haha. No. It's fine if you want to insult and argue with me, but don't pussy out.

I'm not. I don't want a flame war. If you want to do that, we can do it elsewhere. Not here.

Nice. Calling me retarded then saying Im trying to start a flame war, then ragging on me for insulting someone in an argument. Arn't you a hippocrite?

I just apologized for what I did. I realized it could lead to a flame war and I don't want that here. Does that make me a wuss? No. And I don't believe I was being a hypocrite.

Outside of Gospel = not Christian.

Not really. Your being very black and white; there are many ways to interperate the gospel, who's to say yours is right?

Everyone who has ever read the Bible understood it's message right then and there. It's a universal message. The real question is whether or not someone accepts that message. God's message wasn't unclear. Some just aren't willing to accept it.

By the way, I'm not judging God is. God told us what is right and what is wrong. He already did all that. Cults go against what Christ and God told us. They try to pervert or warp the Gospel. That's why they are a cult.

Now you're being insane. God never told you that Jehovah's witnesses are a cult, stop being a little prick.

He told us what please him and what angers him. Try to guess what Jehovah's Witness do.

Oh, and don't worry. This source accurately represents the beliefs of most Jehovah's Witnesses.

No. It wasn't written by a Jehovah's Witness, was it? Stop pretending like you and your author somehow know more about Jehova's Witnesses then an actual Jehova's Witness. And for lazynesses sake, let's just call them JW's.

Fine. I'll call them JW's. Second, this source has the actual beliefs of JW's because someone actually bothered to read their monthly and semianuual publications and ask JW's their beliefs, which they were happy to share.

Try to at least be polite, here ok? If you wanna flame, start a thread somewhereelse and flame me there.

THis is supposed to be about JW's and not "OMG! UR A HYPROKRITE!"
Seriously.

At 4/20/06 09:35 PM, LettuceClock wrote:

At 4/20/06 01:13 PM, SilentPoet wrote:

No. I believe those are religions.

But they are outside the gospel. So they are cults.

Religion is man's attempt to reach God. Christ was God reaching out to man. Cults are a group that claim to be Christian. but accept one or more tenets of belief that run contrary to the Gospel.

I don't care about the Pope, FYI. I really don't care what the rest of the world thinks either. All I know is it is outside the Gospel and thus a cult. There.

Well, you're catholicism is outside of my protestant gospel. So Catholisism is a cult.

Guess what. I'm not Catholic.

Not really. I only suggested that you not post when you are mad. Your post end up sounding rushed and retarded. I thought you might think that you porved your point with or without your anger, so I pointed out how you thought telling Moral_Man "F**k you" needed to be first in your post. You let your anger get a hold of you.

Why else would the first two words in your post be f**k you?

My first words where "fuck you" because he was an ignorent asshole. If I ever saw a Neo-Nazi, I wouldn't be mad, but I would still say fuck you.

Well, how was he being ignorant? For telling others what he believes? Surely not. Please elaborate on exactly how he was being ignorant.

Fine. Just read what I post and respond when you calmed down a little.

Dammit poet, stop posting when your angry! It hurts my feelings!

You seem to have not understood my post. I was trying to tell you that it is not a good idea to post when you're mad.

P.S. In case no one noticed, I mentioned that Lettuce_Clock looked retarded or something along those lines in one of my post. This was a screw-up on my part. Sorry.

Haha. No. It's fine if you want to insult and argue with me, but don't pussy out.

I'm not. I don't want a flame war. If you want to do that, we can do it elsewhere. Not here.

I have in my possesion a book containing details about Jehovah's Witnesses and their beliefs. I can post these and tell EXACTLY why there are outside the gospel. However, I really don't feel like doing this if no one is interested in reading it. And just to warn everyone ahead of time, this book was written form a Christian standpoint. (ohes noes!)

Anywho, if you want me to post it, tell me. Give me some time though, it's a lot of stuff.

Of course it's outside the gospel. However, that doesn't mean they arn't christians. There is no one judge who deemes who is christian and who isn't. They are all equal, so stop being an ignorent ass. I could just as easily write a book saying they are christian, just like that guy wrote a book saying they arn't. However, that doesn't make ANY SENSE, since neither one of us have the authority to say if it's right or wrong. Christ and God are the two people who can determine that.

Outside of Gospel = not Christian.
By the way, I'm not judging God is. God told us what is right and what is wrong. He already did all that. Cults go against what Christ and God told us. They try to pervert or warp the Gospel. That's why they are a cult.

Oh, and don't worry. This source accurately represents the beliefs of most Jehovah's Witnesses.

At 4/19/06 11:43 PM, LettuceClock wrote:

At 4/19/06 03:03 PM, SilentPoet wrote:

He called it a cult because it IS a cult from a Christian standpoint. They are outside the gospel, and thus, not a sect of Christianity. Since none of the religions accept regognize them as a religion, they are a cult.

So you are saying that Judaism and Islam are cults? Because they are, of course, outside of Christian beliefs. And they are no less a sect of Christianity that Catholisism or Protestentism (Is that how you would say it?) since their is no leader of christianity who decides who is and who isn't.

No. I believe those are religions.

You're right about one thing; this is a simple. They are a cult. Look the up in any book from a Christian bookstore; they are listed as a cult

If you would look at it from it's ACTUALL DEFINITION of the word, it isn't. If the Pope said that televisions where prostitutes, does that make it so? No, because it's not about how the church defines a word, it's about what the dictionaries say.

I don't care about the Pope, FYI. I really don't care what the rest of the world thinks either. All I know is it is outside the Gospel and thus a cult. There.

I said not to post when your mad. That's all. Read my first response to your post. You'll see. Either I didn't make myself clear or you were to mad to understand it. From your language to Moral_Man's posts, I'll say you were mad.

You're an idiot. Instead of simply having an argument, you somehow decide you can magically determin my mood and then use it to dismiss anything I say.

Not really. I only suggested that you not post when you are mad. Your post end up sounding rushed and retarded. I thought you might think that you porved your point with or without your anger, so I pointed out how you thought telling Moral_Man "F**k you" needed to be first in your post. You let your anger get a hold of you.

Why else would the first two words in your post be f**k you?

YOU'RE MAD, POET, I CAN'T HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH YOU!!

Fine. Just read what I post and respond when you calmed down a little.

Man, that sure is a simple way to back out like a pussy, no wonder you do it. Now watch as every single post you make, I say you are angry so you can't post.

I never said you couldn't post. I simply said it's not a good idea to post when you're mad. By all means, please post. Just don't post out of anger. I don't feel like flamming.

P.S. In case no one noticed, I mentioned that Lettuce_Clock looked retarded or something along those lines in one of my post. This was a screw-up on my part. Sorry.

-ANYONE SERIOUS ABOUT KNOWING IF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ARE OUTSIDE THE GOSPEL PLEASE READ-
I have in my possesion a book containing details about Jehovah's Witnesses and their beliefs. I can post these and tell EXACTLY why there are outside the gospel. However, I really don't feel like doing this if no one is interested in reading it. And just to warn everyone ahead of time, this book was written form a Christian standpoint. (ohes noes!)

Anywho, if you want me to post it, tell me. Give me some time though, it's a lot of stuff.

At 4/18/06 03:41 PM, LettuceClock wrote:

At 4/18/06 02:13 AM, SilentPoet wrote:

No. You explained nothing.

Since you're apperently retarded, let me restate.

"Fuck you. That review was biased, unfactual, and overall BAD.

When you sre going to call someone a "cult", at least have a fucking reason for doing it other then "They have different beliefs then me".

If I where to make a thread calling all Protestant cultists because they do not agree with Catholic beliefs.

Oh, and try not to base your oppinion on religion hundreds of years old on what some online site tells you, Einstein."

Their. That is why it's a bad review.

He called it a cult because it IS a cult from a Christian standpoint. They are outside the gospel, and thus, not a sect of Christianity. Since none of the religions accept regognize them as a religion, they are a cult.

Not really. He was talking form a Christian standpoint.

...What? This is real simple; by both the litteral meaning of ult and the practical meaning, he is wrong, they arn't a cult.

You're right about one thing; this is a simple. They are a cult. Look the up in any book from a Christian bookstore; they are listed as a cult.

Did I say not to post? I don't remeber that. I thought I said something along the lines of don't post when you're mad because you will look retarded. Sorta like you do know...

Did I said you told me not to post? No, I said your an idiot for thinking I shouldn't post if I disagree with the author.

I said not to post when your mad. That's all. Read my first response to your post. You'll see. Either I didn't make myself clear or you were to mad to understand it. From your language to Moral_Man's posts, I'll say you were mad.

Why else would the first two words in your post be f**k you?

Tell you what...
Ever heard of Jesus?
Do you know what he did?
Do you know that he was God's son, yet he died for you and me?
Do you know he calls you "friend"?
Do you know that death has lost its sting?
Do you know that sin has lost its shackles?
Do you know that the grave has been beaten?

Please tell me you wanna hear more...
I'm ready...
But for now, I gotta go to bed.
I'll post some more stuff on this thread tomorrow.

*now

At 4/18/06 02:03 AM, LettuceClock wrote: Are you a fucking idiot? You just quoted a couple of paragraphs of me explaining why, dipshit.

No. You explained nothing.

Which was incorrect in both it's litteral and practical meaning.

Not really. He was talking form a Christian standpoint.

Your a dipshit. If people where not supposed to post unless they agreed with the topic starter, the entire point of saying your oppinions would be nonexistent.

Did I say not to post? I don't remeber that. I thought I said something along the lines of don't post when you're mad because you will look retarded. Sorta like you do know...