At 12/14/09 10:34 PM, Elfer wrote:
As you can see peeps, Shaggy is a troll.

Oh yes, I'm a troll because I haven't been indoctrinated into your stupid religion, its people like you who are the reason I don't bother having rational discussions with.
And with that I bid you good night.

At 12/14/09 10:28 PM, Elfer wrote:

Actions speak louder than words.

At 12/12/09 08:45 AM, poxpower wrote:

It's all a giant pile of bullshit

Just like the theory of evolution 8P

My lesson from all of this is: don't believe what journalists say about science.

Yeah, I agree, don't believe fake assed scientists who'll dish out bullshit because they know mindless drones will swallow it and even get violent against people who don't..... remind of something there?

Our DNA is indeed on a one way trip to the dump, I'm not quite getting all this talk about reproduction and breeding of people, things like intelligence isn't much of a gene, memorry is what you're looking for but it is one thing to read a book and remember everything in it, to read a book about something that is not only true but is about something important to you, is another.

Evolutionists really love to boast about their beliefs that mankind is only getting better, doesn't seem like its ever been that way has it, I mean our technology might be advancing but that really has nothing to do with us, mix one with with something else n see what happens, not alot of intelligence needed for that.
So yeah, people are getting worse, not better, I believe there is a scientific law about that "everything tends toward disorder" sorry to rain in on your parade.

At 12/14/09 03:22 PM, ReiperX wrote:

Actually we don't know exactly how the big bang was created. The matter and/or energy may have always existed. But I wouldn't say that it came from nowhere.

..... XD
Thats all I needed to hear from you.

You're saying matter and energy may have always existed, which is a belief because there is absolutely nothing and you admit there is nothing that can prove that fact or false.

Anyway I could go on but I'll just leave you as you are, at least you're not AS stupid as the rest of the people here and I don't want to discourage you from finding your own answers.

Just one more thing, you said matter/energy ( you need time also) you believe it may have always existed, I don't understand what difference that makes from you and me, God has always existed, without time space n matter, the natural world is not the only thing that exists..... you get it?

PEACE

Alright I'm gonna bite the bait and give you the joke, this is what I want for xmas!!!

At 12/14/09 12:44 PM, YoungAndWise wrote:

It is not brainwashing because you aren't changing their beliefs. It's teaching.

Wow man that was right on what I was kinda trying to say, thanks man.

Why would I teach my children something else? I'm supposed to teach them what I believe is right. They can come to their own conclusions when they are able to.

Yeah like I was saying, the people here bitching about this, theyre just pissed off because they want children to be taught what they believe, and be taught as a very young age so they wont challenge it, most likely this is a mirror of those people XD

One last thing, evolution, challenged, investigated, incompatable with reality, good game.
peace.

At 12/13/09 09:37 AM, Archon68 wrote: People of the General Forum, is it right for parents to force religion upon young children, starting almost directly after their birth?
Beginning at baptism for the Christian faith, babies are forced into a religion without even understanding it.

Well let me ask you this first, is it any different than parents brainwashing their kids to believe in evolution or the big bang? (predicted response = "But evolution is a f@ct, there is no God")

Anyway now that I've alienated all atheist people, I agree that diving somone straight into a religion is pretty bad, but baptism isn't bad at all, thats like a father who is a hunter giving his son a piece of heart from his son's first deer or something, you get the idea.

As I said, "is it any different than parents brainwashing their kids to believe in evolution or the big bang?" it isn't going to make much of a difference with people who have blind faith in those beliefs just as the creator of this post probably thinks the same way about people of different beliefs, and probably not just any beliefs but probably just christianity, for some reason you people have a stick up your ass about us, fuckers.

Fake science funded by assholes who msot likely used the money for something else n had their freinds print up some bullshit to make it look like groundbreaking work.... I'm not surprised.

At 12/12/09 04:53 PM, Brick-top wrote: I see even without me on the forum this thread is still going strong.

Our brains are becoming more complex, technology is advancing and the conspiracy theorist/nut cases/creationists etc are weakening.

Firstly you made a notable mistake of saying more and complex in the same scentance, if you have any evidence that we were ever less complex I'd love to see it, and not just your blind faith based assumptions and manufactured bullcrap. "Technology is advancing" you make the mistake in making it absurdly obvious that you want to create a false sense of security by repededly saying "it doesn't matter, I don't even need to argue", you know that people two thousand years ago could've made a fucking computer, did you? Ofcourse you didn't, the only things they didn't have, the knowledge to make it nor the need, think of what a computer is made of, are you saying those materials didn't exist back then or couldn't possibly have been made, I thought so, shut up.

At 12/13/09 07:19 AM, camobch0 wrote:
I agree with all of this. And to people who say that in the science theory something can't come out of nothing, then how does a god exist? If matter can't come from nothing, then god can't come from nothing.

Alright you're sidestepping a scientific law, obviously God isn't matter, he created matter time and space and who knows what else, so if you're not too ignorant to realise it he must be outside the laws and boundaries of those things, duh, its almost as if you people are desperate, to find SOMETHING to put over your eyes, yeah that false sense of securty brick was doing makes sense, I feel so sorry for you people.

At 12/13/09 05:11 PM, xellon2 wrote:
how do you know god really exists?

How do you "know" that he doesn't?
I mean what the fuck you guys, don't bullshit me, I have seen many many people say "there is no God" point blank and then go back and say "Well there might be a God, but if there is then he doesn't care about us or what we do", as if God is a little pet that you can put into a cage when you do something bad while still clinging to the fecade that you don't even believe he exists.

Yeah, these last few comments here are some bullshit you guys, I thought you would;ve gotten better overtime and actually come out with some really good arguments for your beliefs, but all I get is "I don'd n33d 7o @rgu Cvz w! r!qht" and "God can't exist cuz matter can't come form nothing although that is exactly what I believe, I just don;t want God in the picture".

Well it was nice visiting, peace.

At 11/10/09 07:40 AM, Chavic wrote:

So chavic, the main question to you rather than question Obama based on your questions is what are you going to do other than say that you don't like how he does stuff or what he hasn't done, is there anything else?

I'm pretty sure some of ur questions have been asked to him and surely he answere them and you probably know his answer, so are you satisfied with his answers or do you think he would answer them differently if you asked him?

Obama still has quite a while to go as president so it probably wouldn't hurt to have some faith that he'll do what he said hes going to do, its better than panicing and getting all upset about it becuase again, what are can you do?

At 11/9/09 07:59 PM, Chavic wrote: lol, its not. I think we are pass that era now.

But its a common excuse among Obama supporters that he is just cleaning up Bush's mess. I disliked Bush, but that excuse is ignorant. Bush gave us a $500 billion increase to the deficit, so Obama has to give us a $1.75 Trillion increase to the deficit in his first year with more to come? Where's the logic?

Anyways, back on topic, I'd like to see peoples' opinions on these questions.

Hmmm, so what are you gonna do about it? Nothing......
Next you're prolly gonna be saying this is why people with dark skin shouldn't be president, ass.
Lol not saying ur racist, I know after u read that part ur gonna be like "OMG OBAMA SUPPORTER DIE!"

Anyway ur opening questions is pretty much "Obama, why didn't you-" Like every other president in the history of america did everything they said they would, just stfu and stop bitching because he'll do whatever the hell he wants to/can do.

Well I'll put together some questions I'd ask Obama, and mine will be nonbitchlike/

1. What is your favourite food?
2. Do you think george bush is retarded too?
3. Why are republicans racist? 8P
4. What would you do for a klondike bar?
5. Is America fucked?
6. What do you think about the assholes who pick on you for not doing all the crap you said you were going to, in which you probably will end up doing and make them look like retards?

O_o

I agree with the people saying the place must be mostly used to test stuff, but with this thing I've heard of their security where anyone who comes within so many feet would be shot n killed, they could be doing illegal things there like experimenting/torturing people or something.

I used to believe in aliens, the whole thing just fell apart lol
I'm certain there are things here on earth that have absolutely no explanation but we know that something is there as well as things outside the planet. That is obvious but to say it is creatures from other planets is kind of dumb, but sure there are people who just say "THERE HAS TO BE ALIENS!" (sighs

........yep

Has anyone used the "if I tell you to jump off a cliff will you do it?" line yet?

Free will.....hmmm.... free will.......

guy 1 :I think free will is real
guy2: No, free will isn't real!
guy1:Well what makes you say that?
guy2:Becuase we came from a rock soup that magicly arranged into complex organisms and mutated somehow into higher ones.
guy1: .......is that all?
guy2: No, also because I had buttsecks with some random chick and she gave me herpes and aids, if God created me and didn't prevent it from happening then I'd rather go to Hell because I had no choice in the matter because I was created by slime soup and I'm controled by chemical reactions in my brain which are meaningless and without purpose!
guy1: ......... ............
guy2: (shoots guy1 in the head)

Soooooo.... the denial of free will in my opinion might be a form of insanity, a complete breakdown, or at least a convincingly fake one where a person uses this denial as an escape from responsability for one's actions, which doesn't work if you hadn't noticed.

Well I didn't really plan on having the guy1 n guy2 interaction go anywhere, just something I made up as I went lol

At 10/25/09 10:28 AM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 10/24/09 08:58 PM, supyohos123 wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_a ngelic_hierarchy

It is well known that all angels are males.

;;;
L M F A O....did you read that ?
L O L
It says that according to medieval scholars...like those deluded, mindfucks actually knew anything ! ! !
I wonder if they were the same scholars who decided to flay your skin off or crucify you, pour boiling liquid on you, or any of the other wonderful christian tortures they used on people during the inquisition period of that lovely religion

Hm, let me try and clear this up, looks likes some douche just put that there to piss people off lol

Anyway.... There really isn't any proof that God is male or female, well in the Bible I suppose sais God is the father and son, but yeah no one here is going to take what the Bible sais seriously anyway.

The reason why I myself call God him/he is because I'm male and I feel more comfortable calling "him" that because it seems a bit disrespectful to call him "it", just like a woman may call God her/she.

Anyway to the inquisition part, does the fact that those people held the title of christianity make what they did right? Ofcourse not, and what does the Bible say about murder? So obviously those people were not acting by God's will but their own, just like an atheist could shoot up their schoon shout that God doesn't exist or something crazy like that, does that make a fair generalization to all atheists? Ofcourse not, so just because one person or group of people did something doesn't speak for a group of people,race,religion as a whole. It would be like if you said all black people ate chicken and kept concealed guns with them....... yeah I'm done lol.

Also, hello everyone 8)

At 10/23/09 08:22 PM, yurgenburgen wrote: If this god character is responsible for everything that exists, he most certainly did cause cancer directly. If we are supposed to take the idea of god seriously then at least be sincere about it.

Actually if you look at it from a christian perspective, God isn't cause anything bad at all, mankind did, God may have made it possible but we made the choice to have it that way.
To the part about "responsability", God is not as I just said, people can get sick if they don't take care of themselves, things like lung cancer can be caused by smoking obviously, but also from regular air pollution n such, radiation n all that which are caused by us.

You're saying that because you think God made us weak and fragile, theres no reason to believe in him...which in return may lead to an eternity of pain and suffering, and that makes no sense as I explained.

At 9/16/09 02:33 PM, Elfer wrote: Hey here's a thing:

People often criticise atheism because of....
If someone has one or two difficult questions in this area, I'd be willing to answer them.

Thing is that atheists can rarely handle critisizm/skepticism towards their own beliefs or "unbeliefs", same goes to evolutionists, it would be nice if they put their own skepticism towards other people's beliefs and use it on their own, they might learn something.

Rather than try to discredit opposing beliefs with lies while ignoring facts and evidence that are contradictory while relying on numbers of blindly following people to back them up by simply disregarding the opposition as invalid while also ignoring contradictory facts and evidence.

Oh my gawd armoredgriffin, you're going to hell!!!

anyway I was going to post this pic but I accident;y did it on a different topic lol, here it is and enjoy.

shitshitshitshitshitshitshitshitshitshit sorry!!!! wrong topic, wrong topic XD I mispost!!!

And one more thing....
(pictue) You're welcome 8)

At 9/15/09 05:59 PM, Chronamut wrote: As a fag, I don't understand all you hetero's obsession with boobs - they are just giant sacs of skin filled with fat and milk.. nd they jiggle - how is that attractive?

......a "hatero"? OH SHIT i got it, you mean heterosexual people, normal people, real men 8P

Uhm... As a guy who is not homosexual I would say that particular part of the female body has a good part of sexual attraction simply because men don't have them....I mean they do but not the same way and it is interesting, I suppose the media n public social whatever shit has a hand in it as well, as a young kid you're most likely kept away from seeing such things and the suspense builds up and becomes something of a taboo in the person's mind in which they want....

As for men's attraction to a woman's ass, that is much more obvious "cushion for the pushin" XD
And yes there may be more in depth explanations than I've....explained but ah well.

PS. I'm a guy, and I haven't a fucking cluw how a woman would be attracted to a GUY's ass lol

and most boobs these days are fake neways - so theyre like giant rocks implanted on their chests..

Well its more about looks to the woman I suppose, some women who have big titties and show them off are a bit more likely to gain more than those who don't, from men that is, you know free shit, money, ect, and so long as the guys don't touch them and figure it out or if the guy can actually tell just by looking.....yeah....

I prefer a furry chest myself - but hey - what can I say, im gay, eh?

Firstly I find that fucking disgusting even more so because I happen to have a hairy chest....
You mean homosexual, the word gay was taken out of context by homosexual people so they could have something to call thsemselves that would hopefully make their sexual orientation more tolerable.
The word gay will no longer be considered a word for homosexual by me. (hmph)

At 9/14/09 05:07 PM, JeanW wrote:

(claps) .....WOW, very well done XD

At 9/14/09 03:20 PM, AKACCMIOF wrote: OH FUCK SORRY SHAGGY WRONG THREAD DEAR GOD WHAT HAVE I DONE?!?!?!? SORRY SORRY I CONCED YOU HAVE A VALID POINT FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK

......uh.....(head explodes) Well at least you apologised lol

This second page is one big mindfuck lol

At 9/14/09 01:57 PM, RubberTrucky wrote:

:The main idea was that the swine flu is an example of marketing in the medicinal industry. Also claims are made about how vaccination as a whole is in fact more a ruse for medicinal companies to sell stuff that isn't that necessary.

Well who is walking along the line of conspiricy now? XD

All in all, do you think it is possible that some great scientific facts, especially in medicine, rely on marketing more than truth?

Scientific facts? ......"only a drug can diagnose,treat,cure, or prevent a disease", that is a lie and they inforce ut by banning everything that isn't a drug...or anything they can't patent like a plant.
I've talked about this in the past, drug companies, their only concern is to sell sell sell, not the health n well being of other people.

At 9/14/09 04:05 PM, arbiterg wrote: if you dont loose ur virginity at 14 u suck!

Yeah that is just how a degenerating society would want you to do, when kids aren't even fully developed having sex, that most oftenly disables that basic development and leaves the child to suffer.
(points at arbiterg) Thank you educational system, you're really doing a fucking great job.....

Anyway fuck you man, I'm fuckin 19 and I've never put it to a chick, yes I had many a chance to do so and turned them all down.

Oh also, reason why is because I've seen several examples of how fucked up people are later in life when they had sex at a young age, I learn from people's mistakes (puts cool shades on)

At 9/12/09 06:03 AM, poxpower wrote: There is a robot, his inventor/ maker is dead.
The robot is programmed to come into your house and smash your shit.

Who are you going to blame?

Well since the robot was programmed by the person then you would....blame? It would be the person's fault, there would be no blame because the reason for the robot doing it would be because the person who created it designed it to do so DUH!!!!!!

Penis? LMFAO the randomness!
8==================>

Now, how is a robot different from a human? Both have a computer brain that tells them exactly how to behave.

The robot was programmed to do something, it can't do something it wasn't given the ability to do.... that is a big difference between people and machines. Also to be fair our brains are much much more complex than anything we have or problably will ever build. But if you want to go into science-fiction thats a whole nother story.

So how can you blame a person for behaving like they were programmed to behave?

But a robot isn't a person, haven't you figured that out?

And if you can't blame someone for their actions, how can you punish them?

Well the person who created the robot as you said is dead so I guess you just tell everyone it was because of that guy and get on with life, again the robot isn't a person and cannot make their own choices ((!!!science fiction barrier!!!))
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What you should be asking is like is a person were mentally insane and killed somone or maybe not that sevear but something bad, would you punish that person? Ofcourse you would because you can't just let them continue killing people or breaking shit, that would be stupid.

At 9/13/09 12:35 AM, ohbombuh wrote: (I've got a feeling this one is going to get way too heated for a general thread.)

Ok so a famous vegan quote is "The question is not, 'Can they think?' or, 'Can they reason?' but, 'Can they suffer?'" MY questions are these: If scientists could genetically alter any animal ....ect

I have actually heard of scientists being able to "produce" and grow meat within a labratory in small quantities, but nevertheless I don't think ti really matters to most people, vegetarians have many different views n reasons for why they don't eat meat, either they think it is bad for you or that it is inhumane to do so n blah blah blah.

In regards to the "can they think,reason n suffer" line, it doesn't matter what an animal thinks, it is our reaction to them, you can tell if an animal is in pain, a common difference is wether you just let it happen or end the animal's suffering then and there, this is something that confirms our seperatism from animals = we aren't animals and never were, we can make our own choices and animals cannot.

It's like what I said in response to somone who commented to somone else's comment about a girl who had a giant pet tarantula in her hand and the original person was saying something like "can animals feel love for their master?" And the person commenting was like "they can't" and I think they were starting to kind of go at eachother and I said something like "it doesn't matter what the animal feels, it is what the person feels, if a person feels a special bond with an animal, is willing to care for it and has the feeling of unconditional love for it, that is all you need because that is the nature in which we all treat eachother at one time or another". i dunno I suppose I'm flexing out what I said to give it a bit more meaning but still.

I'm especially interested in hearing a vegan perspective on this issue, so please speak out as long as you're willing to not mindlessly bash either side of the debate.

I don't even think there is much of a debate, not that I can see.....I haven't read the comments that have been submitted so lol I can't say.
For the sake of having an opinion I'll say that eating meat it good, in a way its the only way we can get all the nutrients we need, fish is the animal I'm talking about, theyre fucking awsome! XD

What would be cool is if something happened where we overthrew our government "America", that or got rid of all the bullshit.....
Remove every soldier n militarry base from all other countries,have all the nukes taken apart,defused and disposed of, disect and recycle/dispose of the waste of all nuclear factories exept the ones that are used for energy purposes.

And lastly pubicly declare America a completely neutral country.

Thats just an idea.