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At 8/29/07 12:13 AM, ThunderboltLegion wrote::

I think that's it... Oh yeah, anyone hear from satan lately?

that's gotta sound strange to anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about, lol

I'm sure anyone that read any past club posts would get it eventually. If not, hopefully you freaked out some kids. =P

I'm still around. Just being a forum troll at the moment because I'm bored and trying to get out of work. I'd love it if you'd myspace me, dude!!!

I haven't been here in MONTHS and I've only had to read a couple pages. You guys really need to kick it into gear and get off your lazy asses and post!

Are we still on the Human Weapon topic, cause I saw a couple of those? Other than that I have nothing to add to conversation because I am still not training and have been happily busy with boyfriendness, WoW and work.

I would like to clarify that brief little piece of personal information that I sent to Shin a VERY long time ago in a private conversation. Thank you sir for PUBLICLY posting that in a forum. I was very upset with Shin for verbally attacking my man and blocked him and several other people that were involved in spreading my personal affairs, thank you very much for continuing to do so.

Of course I HAVE to respond to DSM-

ROFL! I don't know how I will ever live up to your greatness, almighty one. *rolls eyes* So sorry I couldn't make your day by announcing my death. I hope you're doing well.

In other news-

Congrats to the MAC for a Happy Three Years on NG! Sorry I couldn't be here, although it looks like Tom more than made up for my absence in coming to the party already smashed. XP

If you guys ever want to get in touch with me, you should do it through myspace. I am there daily. Email would be welcome too, please PM me for that. From the above-mentioned incident I am sure you know who I would love to hear from, and who I wouldn't. I doubt that I will be continuing to post here in any type of frequency. I am sure I will respond to any topics directed my way if I happen to be in the "area".

Good luck in training guys!

<3

At 7/22/07 11:41 AM, Fremen wrote: Right....I'm editing our NGMAC sigs since they are outdated, and I kinda made a completely new one. It's not done yet, but I need some sort of text or image that unites us all.

Glad you said something. I just now noticed mine wasn't there. I don't have any suggestions for the sig pic, but I'll think on it. Thanks a ton, Fremen!

At 7/21/07 02:01 AM, dsmking wrote: Mono I know you have brought this up before, but I honestly forgot, how is RBSD's sparring done. I know it isn't run the same way as TKD or Karate but how is it done there. And for that matter how is it done in Hapkido. I mean online I've seen things where people charge one person and the guy just flips and strikes anyone that attacks them. I have done Hapkido but not sparred with it so I really don't know from experience.

Traditional Hapkido sparring involves defending yourself from random attacks. Instead of blocking a punch and using it to get in like you would in point sparring we would get out of the way of it, redirect and take the attacker down with a joint lock or throw. It really depends on where you're training in Hapkido. I've been to places that train point sparring just for the sport aspect. Our other Hapkido guy might have something completely different and Rhae might be able to add something that I left out.

At 7/13/07 05:06 PM, Monocrom wrote: Just to clarify things......

Yeah, when narf first came here, I misinterpreted his post when he decided to join. I thought he was being a jerk, and treated him accordingly. But, he did in fact continue to post; and he clarified his position. The instant he did that, I changed my attitude towards him. (I have posted in the past that there are individual MMA practioners who are respectable. But I guess satan couldn't find that post). My experience is not limited to MMA forums. I refuse to go into detail, but suffice it to say, I've had more than "a few" bad experiences..... with regard to MMA fans, practioners, and yes.... even a ref. No, I'm not kidding. And I don't mean during a match. The ref was probably the worst of them all! A two-faced jerk who went around pretending to be a nice guy, and I fell for it! He nearly screwed me out of my job.

Every time I've gone to a United Karate tournie I've been fucked out of placement because of in house politics and attitude problems fueled by egotism. Does this mean I'm going to have a hissy fit if I meet a martial artist that attends a United school? Probably not.

But back to narf..... When things were clarified and settled, here comes satan throwing gasoline on the fire. Hell, it wasn't even a fire by then. More like a few smoking pieces of charcoal that were dying out. Nice timing. And, even though both narf and I have moved on, satan keeps bringing up how I treated him at first! WTF?! Ironically, it looks like I've got another MMA fan who's contributing to my, overall, negative experience regarding MMA. Ain't that funny??

I'm not sure if you've noticed, but I haven't been here in a while because I've had other priorities lately. When I do get the chance to come in and catch up on things I'd hope that you would want me to post on everything instead of skipping to the latest topic so that you guys don't miss out on my opinions. Because we all know how much you value someone else's opinion, Mono. I am NOT another MMA fan contributing to your experience, I am a Hapkidoist that is pissed off because you treated someone with little respect. It has nothing to do with the sport. I hate to say this, but I do agree with DSM. We should be the ones pissed off at him for spamming us with his life story while he's bitching about our "novels." Families fight too bro, lets drop it and move on.

My next move? I'm going to PM Ozcar about allowing an MMA fan club. However, I've noticed that he doesn't seem to be active on NG, right now. I don't blame him for taking a break. When he comes back, he'll find that message waiting for him. After I PM him, the ball's going to be in his court; and out of my hands.

On the flip side, thank you SO much for helping Narf with getting his club started. You are an ass at times, but its far less than the times when you're a decent guy.

OMG NG looks soooo pretty! *drools*

At 7/13/07 12:50 AM, Rhaeghar wrote: To DSM - tldr

ROFL. Wow hun, since it took me asking you wtf that meant I doubt anyone else will get it. But you got a giggle out of me. :P

Dsm-

Its cute that you think I'm on anyone's side. The ONLY person here that I would back up is Rhae, anything else is just me siding with logic. I guess I am going at Mono, but its because I think he was being ridiculous and immature. Normally thats you, so the roles have been temporarily reversed.

At 7/11/07 11:42 PM, dsmking wrote:

Hate to say this, I agree with Sara(and fuck you sara so we are still on the same terms we have been :p). I was gonna actually post something like what you said but first time I was writing it I was gonna be late for work so couldn't get into it, then the second time I just wanted to bitch at MMA, not the idea for the club.

Oh don't worry, just because you got your head out of your ass and sided with intelligence doesn't mean the balance has been thrown off. Nothing has changed, so you're still an ass and I'm still a bitch. *hug*

Look this topic is fucking retarded because of intolerance and well stupid attacks on each other. Look mono no one would ever read your whole post because well, no one has the time. Not even a man tied to a chair and is forced to look at the computer screen fro three hours. Well that guy should be focusing on getting out but that is besides the point. And mono saying "im upset becasue of satanic's previous post" is well pretty immature if I do say so. That is like a five year old saying "Im not talking to so and so because he did this so could you tell him blah". That is really my only problem with your posts.

Rh don't scold mono, not nice at all.

Scolding Rhae in return makes lots of sense. /slap

Well you're certainly not making a very nice impression of RBSD on him. Of course he is going to base his opinion of your style ENTIRELY on your attitude, which has been more than a little disappointing.

Satanic doubt that. I mean I hope you don't base TKD over my attitude cause well that would suck. He really only reflects himself and possibly the club but not that big of deal. But give mono a break. I mean hell you did jump at him pretty bad over this.

If you would put in half the effort and read at least SOME of the posts you would know what I was referring to when I posted the above that you so nicely quoted. Let me give you a quick re-cap-

At 6/9/07 04:06 PM, Monocrom wrote:

To: satan -

It's not just Bullshido. (Although that is the most blatant example of what I'm talking about). There are other forums out there as well. But overall, from what I've seen, you have a lot of UFC Fighters who can best be described as 12 year-olds in adult / Fighter's bodies. Their combined level of maturity wouldn't fill up a thimble. Certainly, there are individual Fighters who are responsible human beings with an adult's level of maturity. But like I said, from what I've seen, those Fighters are not what you'll typically run into.

<shakes head> What am I going to do with you? It makes no sense to judge an entire category of fighters based on some bad experiences you had on one forum! Think about it this way, I once got flamed by a bunch of retards in a science fiction fan room and I now view ALL sci-fi fans as immature morons. Would that make sense? No, it would not. I can respect that you've made your decision based on your experiences with them, but mine have been very delightful and educational.

As you'll see (if you read it) Mono decided to disregard someone else's opinion because he had a bad experience on an MMA forum, therefore the ENTIRE sport is filled with fucking idiots despite my pleasurable impressions. How we act not only reflects us as people, but it reflects our arts because we do represent it. I have never, and will never write off an entire art as useless because I had a bad experience with a few people. I don't know the circumstances for why he has that attitude and I won't pretend to know.....but so far the reasons he has given and the attitude he has presented with our new member has more than called for what I gave him. I admitted that I went a little over board, maybe more than a little but I think it was called for. I'm ready to drop it and make friends with big bro if he is since he has seemed to calm down and welcome our new member nicely.

At 7/11/07 03:58 PM, Monocrom wrote:
To: satan-

Let me guess, you read that post I made and then immediately got upset. So, you quoted it and responded. Fair enough...... Seems you missed my other lengthy post below that one. The one where I did Welcome narf109 into the club, after he clarified a few things.

He should not have had to clarify seeing as how YOU were the only one with an attitude problem.

Seems you completely missed the part where I was nice enough to actually give him a link to Bullshido.com and tell him what to expect if he decided to visit the site. Why would I give out a link to a site that I can't freaking stand??...... Because he said how much he loves MMA. And, as one of them; I know he would be treated well, there. I honestly think he'd be happy there. What would be Hell for me; for him would be Home. I wish I had a site that was "Home."

I didn't miss it. I read everything before I post. I am glad you did warm up to him and we've got an interesting, productive topic going on at the moment, but the fact that you welcomed a potential new member into our club the way you did was uncalled for. I think he is taking it very well considering how I would have responded to you, or how I did respond to you.

Mostly I find places where lines are drawn. And if you try to take the middle-ground of common sense, you get hated by everyone! So you know what, I was nice to him. How nice that no one noticed.

Of course no one noticed. Isn't that how it works? Someone fucks up and thats all anyone remembers. If you didn't know that you've been living in a hole for the past eternity, and if you did then you should have been conscious of your attitude during the time of your post.

At 7/9/07 03:43 PM, Monocrom wrote:

At 7/8/07 10:46 PM, narf109 wrote: never mind guys, it got deleted. i dont know how. I tried to get a good MMA club all day but oh well. I dont mind this club so i'll join.

Well gee whiz, thanks for gracing us with your presence. I hope you didn't have to "lower" yourself too much to welcome yourself into our club without even having the common courtesy to at least ask to be a member.

He is lowering himself if he had his hopes on making a club that talked specifically about MMA instead of joining a club where he is going to be ridiculed for having an MMA interest like he is now. If he doesn't train in martial arts outside of MMA then how is he going to fit in here? I would be the ONLY one that would like him or get into his topics of interest without calling them pointless. I think it took an amazing amount of common courtesy for him to come here and introduce himself and explain what he was trying to do so that we wouldn't have any kind of conflicts. I was fully prepared to support his club because a) he was respectful; and b) I like MMA and the negativity that comes out here when MMA is brought up is ridiculous.

You know why your club got locked and deleted. Probably two reasons:

1 - We DO discuss MMA topics in this club. If you honestly didn't find any posts in which we did..... you didn't put in even a half-assed effort.

The MMA topics we discuss here are how MMA is NOT beneficial or a martial art of any kind. So technically you just fucked over your own argument. Why wouldn't he be able to start his own MMA club if it has NOTHING to do with what we do here? Furthermore, I would have written him off as CRAZY is he read every page of this club just to find a few lines where it was mentioned and then disregarded as useless. If I were in his shoes I would have been disappointed to do all of that work and not get anything beneficial out of it.

2 - Let's see now.... "NG Martial Arts club." And, "NG MMA club;" which equals Mixed Martial Arts club. I have no clue how I can make it any more obvious. Please tell me you actually see what I'm pointing at.

There's also a third reason that ramagi doesn't know about, but that Ozcar does. (Those are the 2 Mods who most often patrol the Clubs and Crews forum. It was likely one of them who deleted your club's thread). The 3rd reason?...... This club is all-encompassing. But even with that, we only have a handful of Regulars at the club. Your very narrowly defined club isn't likely to grow. Meaning, there's a limited number of true martial artists who visit NG..... and an even smaller number of MMA practioners who come to NG.

Just going a little quote crazy here to make my point very clear-

This is more strictly based on actual MMA fights. So topics of discussion can be as follows:

1. Various Companies that deal with MMA. Example UFC, Pride ect.
2. Fighters of MMA. Example Chuck Liddell, Cro Cop, Rampage ect.
3. Common MMA styles (Brazilian Jiu Jitsu) if not rare styles(Judo)
4. News and Media related to MMA
5. Recent Events in MMA. Example UFC 73

Did you even read the guy's post or did you just see "MMA" and shoot him down? NO where in that did he say you had to be a practitioner to add to the conversations. UFC is BIGGER than baseball which has been looked at as an All American sport for years. That is just what UFC is, a sport with amazing athletes. I have no interest in training in MMA but I can carry on a full blown conversation about the latest Ultimate Fighter episode and I would have loved to join his club. So there ya go...hes already got one follower. I will bet that more people here will be able to tell you that Tito Ortiz is an asshole than Babe Ruth was a baseball player.

Like I said, it's an all-encompassing club for Martial Artists..... So you're welcome to stay. However, to be honest, your last post is filled with the type of attitude that I've come to expect from the majority of MMA practioners.

Well you're certainly not making a very nice impression of RBSD on him. Of course he is going to base his opinion of your style ENTIRELY on your attitude, which has been more than a little disappointing.

Narf-

Welcome to the MAC. I really hope that my disagreement with Mono and being a tad bit "over the top" about it hasn't turned you off of the club. We generally have some interesting conversations and it looks like you're joining in very nicely. I hope you get warm welcomes from our other members. If you would like to try starting that MMA club I would love to join and maybe we can PM Ozcar to help out since it differs dramatically from our discussions here. I am a HUGE fan of MMA and I would really enjoy discussing fights with other fans that follow the circuit.

Btw- I am AMAZED with how well you took Mono's post. Big kudos from me. I'm not so nice.

At 7/8/07 02:30 PM, narf109 wrote: There's been some confusion to a Mixed Matial Artsclub that i've been trying to start and im looking for some support so i can make this possible. I've read over the Martial Arts clubs discussions and i don't see any in the topics of MMA. I think because ive named it fully the Martial Arts club has taken offence and thought i was copying. MMA is not the same as martial arts. Should i rename it as the MMA Club? either way this is how i'd like it to be constructed.

This is more strictly based on actual MMA fights. So topics of discussion can be as follows:

1. Various Companies that deal with MMA. Example UFC, Pride ect.
2. Fighters of MMA. Example Chuck Liddell, Cro Cop, Rampage ect.
3. Common MMA styles (Brazilian Jiu Jitsu) if not rare styles(Judo)
4. News and Media related to MMA
5. Recent Events in MMA. Example UFC 73

Any other type of discussion you may want to talk about, must be in some way related to MMA. However, the main idea of this forum will have more to do with the above 5 criteria.

The Rules to the forum is of course to BBS rules and are not to be violated, as well as everyones opinons should be respected as there will be many different opinions.

What I DOT NOTt want to be discussed in this forum.

1. Martial arts that in no way would ever be used in MMA
2. Unrealistic styles that you would probably only see in Japanese movies.

MMA is the new breed of boxing. This is not to rip on other forms of Martial Arts, it is just an acknowledgment of an amazing form of fighting involving technique and athletic ability.

I hope this clears up any of the misunderstandings in the Martial Arts Club and I'm looking forward to anyone joining and helping me make this work.

MMA has been discussed here a few times but most of the discussions revolved around how MMA is NOT in any way, a martial art. I don't entirely agree with that considering most, if not all of the MMA practitioners I have met have a background in actual martial arts. You provided some great examples as far as judo and jujitsu.

If you are having problems starting your club because of the mods explaining the difference might help. I'm sure your asking us for support will also help. If you could please provide the link I would be very happy to join. If anything I hope we can change Monocrom's opinion of MMA fighters.

At 6/25/07 12:02 AM, Elecmonkey wrote:

At 6/17/07 09:38 PM, Satanic-Samurai wrote: So where's this other new guy that was so interested in me? Come back! We need another Hapkidoist! =D

I'm surprised you remember me! Fortunately, I'm back from all these exams and stuff, since I've been busy with work. Anyways, I plan to train all summer in Hapkido. We're practicing breakfalls right now, so it's kinda hard. The good thing is that we'll finally be able to throw each other and test our real skills! My master is Tony Tuddi (I'm not sure how to spell his last name) and I asked him who he studied with (you asked that quite a while ago, and for that, I'm sorry for the dreadfully late reply. I hope you can accept my apologies) and he said that he's studied with Ji Han Jae (founder of Sin Moo Hapkido, and I'm lucky to study under this art =D) and Chuck Norris (no introduction, lol). I've read your post about Hapkido and I am even more interested in Hapkido and how it works. Thank you for the information!

Since I've been not here for almost a month (or whatever my shitty time perception has led me to believe) I've only had to read through 2 pages, so I'm going to guess its been rather slow here.

Of course I remember you! One person other than Rhae posts something relating to my interests isn't something I will easily forget. I haven't heard of your instructor, which is really odd but I'm sure the name will turn up at some point. It is an honor to train in GM Jae's style so I'm glad you're enjoying it.

Break falls have always been my favorite thing to train because it provides such great body conditioning for our style and its an amazing workout. Running 12 miles won't provide half the benefit 15 minutes of break falling does.

The late response isn't a problem, I've been absent lately myself. I actually came back here to check if you responded because Rhae had mentioned there were a few new posts. I'm glad you came back and I hope you stick around. From the looks of it the guys are planning something fun for our anniversary. :P

As for my absence-

You can all blame Rhae. Bastard got me addicted to World of Warcrack and I just can't stop. Such pretty glowing colors. ^_^

I hope everyone had a great Independence Day! Any fun stories of lighting dogs on fire?....>.>

At 6/9/07 04:06 PM, Monocrom wrote: To: satan -

It's not just Bullshido. (Although that is the most blatant example of what I'm talking about). There are other forums out there as well. But overall, from what I've seen, you have a lot of UFC Fighters who can best be described as 12 year-olds in adult / Fighter's bodies. Their combined level of maturity wouldn't fill up a thimble. Certainly, there are individual Fighters who are responsible human beings with an adult's level of maturity. But like I said, from what I've seen, those Fighters are not what you'll typically run into.

<shakes head> What am I going to do with you? It makes no sense to judge an entire category of fighters based on some bad experiences you had on one forum! Think about it this way, I once got flamed by a bunch of retards in a science fiction fan room and I now view ALL sci-fi fans as immature morons. Would that make sense? No, it would not. I can respect that you've made your decision based on your experiences with them, but mine have been very delightful and educational.

At 6/9/07 10:39 PM, Twone wrote:

I went to a seminar, and the guy explained how to twist a gun or a knife from somebody's hand. But if someone asks for your money and he has a knife or gun, just give the money to him. If it's more than one guy, they just want to fuck with you. So, you have to get the guys between each other, and avoid being inbetween your opponents. The instructor told us that do disable someone, you must hit one of the four body parts that do not grow muscle: the eyes, the throat, the groin, and the very front bone of your shin. If you hit one of these parts, there is no way your oppenent can stay up unharmed.

Like Tom said, kicking to this shins is a bad idea imo. A LOT of people have very tough shins. I've found that kicking to the knees is a lot more effective, because they won't be chasing you. Hitting to the eyes is okay, but you could permanently disable someone and that might be followed with serious legal consequences, despite what they did to you. Same with the throat. I'm a huge fan of violence and death, but I might feel bad watching someone die because I managed to collapse their trachea.

Flash-

Excellent vid you posted. I enjoyed watching your demo but it made me sad. :'( Those were really similar to the chair defenses I used to train in and teach to our special-ed classes.

Tom (about the fluidity thing)-

These are really good points, and things to work on for people that are usually tense, but I can't stand doing tai chi for any length of time. I have to be sweating. To improve grace and ease tension I suggest dance. Ballet and ballroom helped me a lot. Now before you guys start laughing at me, Bruce Lee held several state ballroom championship titles. There is no shame in wearing high heels, they improve balance. Not sure if you guys have ever watched a group of really good dancers, but most of them would make AMAZING martial artists.

New guys-

Welcome. I'm satan.

So where's this other new guy that was so interested in me? Come back! We need another Hapkidoist! =D

At 6/8/07 05:14 PM, Monocrom wrote: To: satan-

With MMA....... Some of the Fighters DO have training in other Arts. But on other martial arts forums, you get some MMA Fighters and their supporters who think that anything that isn't proven effective in the ring is automatically Bull$#^t! Now, how the Hell am I supposed to prove that my Knife Combatives training is effective, in the ring?! I don't think I'll be allowed to stab my way to a Championship belt. Doesn't mean my training isn't going to be effective if I cross paths with a violent psycho.

Dear fucking god I hope you're not getting your impressions from the kids on Bullshido. I'd suggest going out and meeting/training with some professional UFC/Pride fighters at some point. We've had some members here that could give their art a really bad impression but most of us are smart enough to know its just them. Sorry bro, but I think its a little naive to judge an entire group of trained individuals based on a forum.

At 6/7/07 11:40 PM, leafbeast wrote: books and videos are crap compared to an instructer...if you watch a martial arts movie a few times you will never nail it...however,having an instructer you actualy get mistakes corrected before they become a habit.so dont waste money on video's and books...get a ****ing membership to a martial arts dojo,training area,academy,ect...

I'm going to say this following because a) I dont like you and I feel like I'm going to HAVE to disagree with everything you say and; b) you're wrong.

I think videos and books make excellent additional instructional material especially for someone (me) that doesn't have the time or patience to train under an instructor. I do not think that these can replace an instructor for someone first learning but at some point in your MA career you should seek a school or a partner to train what you've learned and to make it better. I would recommend someone who is thinking about getting into MA buy a tape a practice along with it to see if you're going to like it and to give you a general idea of what to expect so that you're not completely "new." My previous fan form won several trophies for me in the tournie circuit because I got most, if not all of my ideas from Kung Fu/Wushu vids because I don't know shit about the styles. I didn't even have to find an instructor and I'm not looking for one because I'm not competing and I'm not using it for self defense.

This is gonna be cute and sweet...cause I just got done writing a HUGE fucking post that NG ATE! *grumble bitch bitch....*

At 6/2/07 05:20 PM, TheFaces wrote:

stuff

Welcome back Nole! I'm going to disregard dsm's response to you only because you told me he is actually a nice guy *riiight* and the two of you seem to be friendly, most of the time. Now all we gotta do is get Foxy back and find Inuma!

Kicks-

I can't argue that picking your foot up doesn't lose 50% of your foundation, because it does, but I'm not going to completely disregard kicks for self defense either. Tom and Rhae both said exactly what I'm going to say- Kicks at or below chest/belt level are VERY effective. Rhae could get away easily with throwing an effective side kick in a self defense situation but I don't have nearly enough training to make that work comfortably. If I have to kick at all its going to be to the knees/groin, but I'd much prefer a breaking wrist sound. My former and favorite instructor has told me a million times I have "purdy" kicks that look amazing in forms, but thats all their good for and I don't doubt that for a second. There is no way I will ever throw my leg up above my own head to hit someone else on the street.

MMA vs. Real-

UFC/Pride is nothing more than sport fighting, but none of you know the MA backgrounds of the guys putting on the show. I have met some amazing MMA fighters that have amazing technique in actual arts that aren't called "anything goes." If anything is unrealistic its WWE unless in a bar fight with stunt guys and re-breakable tables.

leafbeast-

I would not hit anyone with any amount of force until after I broke my first board. I was afraid it would hurt me. I didn't realize how powerful my side kick was until I had to break 2 boards for 2nd dan. Let us know how disregarding teaching/training techniques works out after you get some experience.

Elecmonkey-

Welcome to the MAC, I'm satan. Looks like you've been expecting me. XD

It takes a masochist, or a Hapkidoist, to specialize in throws. I found out at yellow belt that there is nothing better than hitting concrete.

I hope you don't mind me asking who you train under? Rhae and I have both trained under Ji Han Jae and one of his, what I would say best students, for a number of years, but I've only met one Hapkido guy from Canada and heard about a couple others and Rhae hasn't heard of any. I know GM JI has guys in Denmark and Aussie. I'm sure you've realized by now that the Sin Moo community is very close knit, and somewhat gossipy.

I have said on many occasions that Hapkido lacks ground work, but only because our art holds the concept of ending it before you get to the ground. I have met several instructors that tell you going to the ground is the worse possible thing that could happen and you're basically fucked if it does. I can understand preparing yourself for the worst, but holding such a negative concept while doing any form of training isn't something I like because once its in your head its going to stay there. As much as I love rolling around on the ground with sweaty, smelly guys, ground fighting isn't something I enjoy but I did spend a few months training in Gracie jujitsu just to get a feel for how to move or what to expect, but I much prefer breaking someone while standing on my feet so that I always have a chance to run if dude pulls out a knife. I will always recommend cross training in a grappling based art above anything else. You can most def count on Hapkido to get you through a self defense situation if you were trained properly.

I would say that Hapkido is a well rounded art, but I wouldn't say it is complete. No art is, and Dan Inasanto will have your head if you say otherwise. If you can't find anywhere to train in JKD up there I would suggest tracking down Francis Fong from Atlanta, GA. He's done a lot of work with Bruce and stunt/choreography for movie scenes. My Sifu and his instructor both trained under Dan for 10+ years and I trained with him once a month for a year while training in Wing Chun/JKD. I'll find his website and post it here for you to keep tabs on. Im sure you can contact them for seminar information in Canada.

When I first started training in JKD after I left Hapkido I hated it!!! I got really bored because its such a different style of training and learning. While you have to learn and really try to make Hapkido second nature JKD is taught as second nature. You will think you're learning really slow, if learning at all until you have to use it. In a sparring match it will come very easily.

Once I turn 18 (12 more months, bitches!) I'm probably going back to training under Sifu and Dan once a month. I'm hoping to train regularly under Rhae if he'll have me. :D As of now I am out of training due to school, work, family issues, and my recent WoW obsession. I haven't been able to train in about a year and its driving me crazy.

At 6/5/07 01:45 AM, Rhaeghar wrote:

I also have a good bit of Hap Ki Do training under my belt - actually more than Satan does.

True...but they like me more! :P

At 5/29/07 09:23 PM, Fremen wrote:

At 5/29/07 08:22 PM, Satanic-Samurai wrote: This is probably just silly, but I heard somewhere that practicing is somewhat important.

I want sources.

j/k

I couldn't help myself. I had to.

Heh durr I tried using my art and it didn't work but that has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with me not practicing.

....I'm sorry, I'm being a bitch. I should stop.

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I'm back!

Well, not really. You'll have to wait until after finals and my week of free vacation (my sister won a raffle) to get me back, but for now I'm here. What are we discussing? Is it the benefits of cross-training, or practicing methods? We really need someone to just ask some brilliant discussion question right about now.

We are discussing the usefulness of point sparring (tag) in relation to sport and self defense along with the pros and cons of training in XMA and other sport based martial arts and how they will effect your self defense training if any. This topic is relatively new if you'd like to read up on what we have so far you can start at the middle of this page. (or previous page if I get stuck on the next one)

At 5/29/07 04:45 PM, BottleCapClock wrote:

At 5/23/07 10:56 AM, Monocrom wrote:

At 5/22/07 03:12 PM, BottleCapClock wrote: not 2 be mean...but i tried using my type of martail arts in a fight and it didnt work.

Here's what you need to do:

1 - Train more.
2 - Cross train in other Arts...... Specifically those made with self-defense in mind.
3 - Regarding #2: Look into R.B.S.D.

good point i never practice especially not with a moving target

This is probably just silly, but I heard somewhere that practicing is somewhat important.

At 5/28/07 05:07 PM, Flying-J wrote:

Bragging about training with people who make up their own styles is not something I intend to do, Im not sure why you are?

I do believe he is referring to GRANDMASTER Ji Han Jae among others who I have also had the honor of training with.

*annoyed chuckle*

At 5/27/07 04:52 PM, Rhaeghar wrote:

I don't think you're disagreeing with me at all Satan, you're just helping emphasize my point without realizing it.

Always happy to help. :) Love the way you capitalize the 's' in satan. Thats right, worship me. :P

I have trained since I was five years old, I'm now six months away from 22, and I was an instructor for two years teaching three to five hours a day on top of my two hours of training during those two years. I have trained under some of the most knowlegeable and capable martial artists I've ever met. I have even trained with the people who invented their martial arts! I know what I'm talking about, however, I'm not going to say that I can never be wrong or make a mistake. I think I may need to put that back out there because it seems some of you are under the impression that I don't know what I'm talking about and that I'm coming off as arrogant.

I'm sure we do have some people here that do think you're arrogant, I'm not going to lie, but to be honest they should welcome any person that comes here questioning their martial arts belief with a valid argument. The drama of the flame wars that some members might start doing in response to what you're saying isn't something I need right now which is why I'm not getting involved, but its definitely entertaining me because I'm bored as fuck! I can't say AT ALL that I disagree with anything you've said. I'm actually really happy you've decided to continue posting because its giving me something to read and our club hasn't died. Experience, diversity of opinion, and not being afraid to disagree with someone in a straight forward manner is not something we have here. I'm loving it and I dare anyone to say something.

About "tag"-

One thing that I realized while I was doing some point sparring is that it severely crippled the power in my kicks and hand techniques because I was so used to full contact fighting in Hapkido. Yes it does improve coordination and accuracy but the sport aspect of not killing your opponent isn't something I like. If you are flexible enough to switch back and forth between light contact and kill mode then awesome for you. Once again, personal preference.

About the tornado kick-

This is most definitely NOT my favorite kick in the world. Mostly because its one that I really have to work on. Spinning and jumping isn't my thing, I prefer being able to lick my toes while standing up straight. As for self defense, I don't think so. Spinning and jumping while in a street fight isn't the smartest thing to do. But for point sparring, its fucking amazing to watch someone try that and get NAILED in the gut with a side kick. I've seen grown men cry. Keep it in a form to look pretty. There is too much that could go wrong anywhere else.

I'm not going to go into much detail here unless someone asks for it because I've addressed my opinion regarding "tag" and XMA several times before. But just to be socialable I'm going to put my two cents in.

If you ask me there are three different types of martial arts- sport, self defense, and flash. If you're going to train in sport just for the cardio/competitive/tag side of it then yay for you. I personally don't care for point sparring for the exact reasons Rhae listed. It all comes down to personal preference based on the style you train in. I have nothing against other people that train sport or flash, its just not what I want to do. As most of you know, mindless violence is mah thing.

I do encourage people to cross train, which is why I am going disagree with Rhae for probably the first time, ever. If you're going to train in XMA and call yourself a martial artist, you have to have something to back that statement up with something other than a flashy back flip. I've met several amazing martial artists that can flip and trick and still manage to hold their own in a self defense situation. Part of our training involves adapting to different situations, I think if someone who trained in flash were attacked in the street, with proper self defense training, could easily get themselves out of it without doing one single cartwheel. We keep overlooking that the number one skill to survival is some fucking common sense!

About Rhae correcting Lundi with "doe a deer"- (ROFL)

Be careful with what both of you are going to say regarding this issue. We all remember what happened when I went off the deep end about Kali. But seriously, how can you train or research an art and not know how to spell it?

So sorry about the double...but I have to slap Rhae for his French optimism.

./slap

Mono-

I believe it was me that gave you you're most logical definition of chi. As I do believe it is adrenaline more than "mystical energy force" I don't think its so complex of a concept to involve physics.

New guy-

Cross train is all I have to say. I switched from TKD to Hapkido because I felt it was doing more for me in aerobics than self defense. But there again it does depend on your style of TKD and the way you're taught.

Everyone else-

It has been EXTREMELY slow here. Sorry I haven't been posting lately, but like Rhae I'm dealing with some shit IRL and I won't be posting as frequently. I recently got back into WoW to spend more time with him so if anyone would like to play me sometime I would love that. Just PM me with character info. I prolly won't be on xbl for a while seeing as how I have to send her off for repairs (little tip-playing xbl for 15 hours a day is NOT good for her hard drive). I'll be back at some point to say hello.

Later guys!

Anyone play on Medivh?

At 5/12/07 12:05 PM, Monocrom wrote:

Did you see my last post?? :)

Yes I did. I always hated training the technique you mentioned because pants seem to come off very easily. :P It is a very effective technique, another good one is to move your foot behind the back of their knee for leverage to push them back and possibly throw in a hip throw, just for fun. ^_^

But if it's your Stepdad, try yelling out that you're on your Period and he's gonna make you bleed on the floors....... Guaranteed to make him let go!

Eh...fortunately he is now an ex-step dad so I no longer have that problem. I try to keep my feminine problems on the d/l just to throw people off when I turn into a flaming bitch so nobody hides the knives. I'm sure if I wasn't worried with hurting him and causing problems in the house I would have been able to handle the situation and get out of it with no problem. I guess in that case it would be very hard to get out without causing physical damage.

At 5/10/07 04:03 PM, BigLundi wrote:

At 5/9/07 08:11 PM, Satanic-Samurai wrote: So I just found something interesting.
Please humor my attempt to bring conversation back to ease my boredom.

OI! That was me! Yeah I remember telling everyone that I sparred against someone who said that was the art they studied. Now i'm guessing he meant the actual art form, not this comic book form that everyone thought I meant. Would you mind telling me exactly how these people study? And WHAT exactly they study? I've been searching everywhere and I don't come up with anything except episodes and mangas of Ranma 1/2 dammit.

Okay, now I remember. For some reason I thought we had someone requesting to join of their "anything goes" training that they got from manga. Its happened before so I didn't think too much of it. I just found some stuff on it myself, it caught my curiosity when this was mentioned so I've been looking when I get bored. Check out the link. The godliness of wiki knows everything. EVERYTHING!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vale_tudo

Akula-

I've always been interested in Krav Maga just because its used as a military art in the middle east. One thing that I have never been comfortable with are nelson defenses. My ex-step dad would always bug the shit out of me by coming up behind me and getting me into these full nelsons that I just couldn't get out of because of the sheer force he was applying. Anybody have any techniques they'd like to share that are effective in that situation?

So I just found something interesting.

As most of you will remember, the MA style of "anything goes" was brought up not too long ago. Now a couple of us here (me and someone else) associated this with the popular manga "Ranma 1/2" where this art is presented as a magical form of fighting abilities. I was randomly surfing the internet because I'm bored and the club is slow. So I found this in one of my MMA forums.

Apparently the Gracie family (basically the fathers of MMA) came up with this concept/art form of "vale tudo." Translated that means "anything goes." This turned out to be a massive MMA tournament circuit that started back in the 1920s and is still around today. Now I'm not sure if the dude that posted here is still posting because I'm too lazy to go back and check to see the screen name of this person but I'm curious to find out if he was referring to some made up art in a comic or an actual martial art form. I know the topic of whether or not MMA is actually a martial art has come up before and the majority of you (not me) agreed that it isn't a valid form of art. Of course I hate to bring up a topic that has already been discussed but I'd like to see what our new members have to say about MMA and this martial art called "anything goes."

Please humor my attempt to bring conversation back to ease my boredom.

At 5/7/07 08:25 PM, Medinburgh wrote: Hey there.

I took TKD for 2-3years and got to green belt-blue tag (6th grade)
Currently studying ninjitsu (3.5years - 6th kyu) and jujitsu (1 year - orange belt - 8th kyu).

Don't really know what else to say!

K

You've said plenty! I usually ask what styles you trained in and for how long. You answered both. ^_^

Welcome to the MAC! I'm satan, currently not training but I did a few years of Hapkido and other arts. Our current topic of discussion seems to be regarding training gear.

A huge welcome to our other new members!

Wow...this is the first time I've been on NG in WEEKS and you guys haven't said anything that really makes me want to respond. I only had to read a page and a half to catch up. Looks like its been slow as fuck.

Nothing new really going on, except that I am a med school and law school graduate before 17 (birthday is in a couple weeks so I'm cutting it close :P). Sorz about not posting lately, been busy with finals and I'm happy to say there is going to be another top honored degree hanging over my desk. w00t *parties*!!!

All this MA chatter is depressing me because I'm still not training! I need to get my lazy ass off my computer and find someone to spar! (Rhae offered this past week but I'm really not in the mood to die.) :P Hopefully now that I'm done with school for the next few months I will be getting back into my gaming and training as well as catching up with work for my very neglected company. ^_^

About MA gear-

I loved it when I trained in Hapkido, and fucking hated sparring while I trained in TKD and Karate. I cant stand having to wear chest gear, foot, shin, hand, head, and mouth gear and I'm sure I'm forgetting the protecting gear of a few more body parts. In Hapkido and most other joint locking/throwing based arts they only wear foot gear to protect your feet while kicking to make the hit a little softer on the head. Full contact sparring has always been a fav of mine because we allowed throwing and take downs. I've always worn at least foot and most of the time hand and head. I don't like wearing head gear because it fucks with my hair, but I loved it when I had longer hair because I could pull it into a ponytail and pull it through the top opening in the head gear. It kept my hair from getting wet and never bugged me.

In point sparring I was always taught to keep my hands up (duh) but keep my elbows out. It hurts like hell to throw a round kick to someone's head and run into the point of an elbow. You learn very quickly to not throw the kick in that direction. Its a very effective block for sparring at tournies. The point of all this yakking would be to wear shin guards at tournies if its not already a requirement.

At 4/20/07 03:00 AM, Fremen wrote: I think that all colleges should at least have a plan for something like this. 32 victims were killed, and if the kids in that school had a better system for leaving/escaping, a lot of casualties could have been avoided.

I agree. Fire escape plans aren't enough in a world with light gun laws. I don't think they should be lighter or outlawed because I enjoy my once a year hunting trip, but they need to be regulated or something. I know malls that have metal detectors, why aren't they more popular in schools?

My family and I even have a set plan for fires (which saved my cat's life) and we have plans for break ins. With a little paranoia and a lot of frying pans, every house could be as armed and ready as mine. :P

At 4/19/07 10:44 PM, dsmking wrote: Yo lets not make fun of cops so much. Not cool. Now not all cops are jerks but not all aren't. We can't blame this massacre on them.

No, we can't blame this on them and it wasn't there fault. But they DAMN sure could have done something a little more productive than letting 30 people get plowed down in another building half a mile away from the building where the first shooting happened. They ASSUMED the guy fled the campus, but cops aren't supposed to assume anything. It would have been nice if they would have locked down to try and find the guy that killed two kids in the dorms. I know not all cops are morons, a LOT of my friends are cops and they are really good people, but we can't excuse the stupidity that kept things from being dealt with properly. This includes the school management.

I live in Va and know quite a few people who go to tech. I would like to say luckily no one i know got hurt, but that still means someone got hurt. It really is a crappy thing.

I don't think you've ever actually told us what state you live in. I am sorry that you live so close to this nightmare, but its good that no one you know was injured or killed. I'm going to surprise everyone and say I'm happy to hear you're okay.

I sat there and wondered what I would do if I was in that situation. Would I run away, cower in fear, jump out a window, help those who got hurt, try to stop the shooter? I don't know and it bothers me. I would like to think I would try to stop the shooter but I've never been in a situation like that. Now I know my capabilities as a fighter are good enough to take a person down but I don't know how my abilities would be affected by a situation like that. Glad I don't know though.

This was a subject I was thinking about bringing up. As martial artists we try to be prepared for anything. After 9/11 everyone I knew started constantly thinking about and training techniques from a sitting position. We worked on knife and gun disarms from an airplane simulated room. Now that school shootings seem to be back "in" I'm sure most of you have been thinking about what you'd do it that situation. Imo trying to take down the gunman would be soooo fucking stupid. Brave people die heros, but sometimes its better to be wise.

At 4/19/07 02:00 AM, Kuro wrote:

At 4/19/07 01:22 AM, Satanic-Samurai wrote: Hey hey. I thought this would be a smart place to ask. I'm looking for a wallpaper worthy pic of an anime girl with a sword.

How's this?

Thanks for the pics guys. They were perfect. :D