*yawn*

It's happened before to other areas, it'll keep happening, and yes, improve your password security. Stop getting yourself in a twist.

Also, the admin accounts are box based, the admin forum accounts are not significantly more powerful than a normal moderator account. IE, yes posts and stuff could get deleted, but Newgrounds would continue. I mean seriously.... these forums here? Ancillary.

>_>

At 9/6/09 02:19 AM, FBIpolux wrote:

At 9/6/09 02:17 AM, Sarai wrote: Heh

lol at the screenie. :l

Yeah, I just recently found I had a whole sub-album containing controversial threads, posts, etc. >_>

Canas and I fought so much that Canas created a fake account to have a go at me on the forums for the added effect :)

I remember the days of hate.... (of which I was often the primary case), whether it was accusations of too much modding, too little modding, too much power, too prude, too stupid etc, I'm sure it was argued about at sometime whether I fitted that adjective.

I'll remember one of my fondest memories though being the whole "did you suck for it?" theme that lasted until the end.

Heh

At 8/16/09 10:23 AM, Idocreating wrote: Not sure Luis, York is a pretty nice place to wonder around but there's not exactly a lot to do. Anywhere decent would probably be a big city. With crowds :)

Also, that photo hides the glory of my union jack shirt :(

Congratulations for surviving. I am still thankful the draw of Reading was strong though!

Hope everyone though in all seriousness had a good time.

It is fine to be proud to be Chinse :) Our culture and history stretch back thousands of years and our legends and stories are beautiful.

Very lucky to be Chinese.

2005.... Wow, long time ago I came, saw, screwed up :)

Make somewhere people who meet the R age restriction (21 or 18) or whatever can post in maturity and peace.

Just two cents from a retired veteran.

I still exist here...

Hope everyone is doing well, I'll answer queries later.

Goodness, a London meetup.... >_> and my first post in year(s)? Anyway, hope you guys have fun in this city I have kinda adopted.

For those of you legally allowed alcohol (18+), I suggest Dirty Martini in Covent Garden. A good cocktail bar with good prices (for London) and smart decor.

If you're all underage (as I remember Newgrounds tends to be!) then I'm not sure what you'd prefer but if you like Chinese food I can recommend places in China town that are cheap, but reasonable.

At 2/9/09 02:59 PM, Doonie wrote:
You're a fucking idiot.

And with that note I am requesting that Wade closes this thread as it serves little purpose anymore except to have comments from certain groups such as the above. 67 pages or so is a long time to detail the crimes of Hamas and the crimes of Israel. Opinions probably haven't been changed, but in the end as long as their is controversy, suffering or pain we will still all have our own opinions.

I fundementally disagree with Doonie and some others here. But despite that I hope they live in peace despite calling anyone who disagrees with them a terrorist. Through that logic lies only more pain.

Peace / Freedom and Democracy for All

-Sarai

At 2/8/09 12:05 PM, morefngdbs wrote: ;;;;;;
While they are both terrible acts, I believe the 'Japanese' solution, as decided by Harry Truman. Is probably the only way to stop it.
Doing something so unbelievable destructive, so mind numbingly catastrophic that the very few survivors can then be helped, others with their mentality will be so devestated & realise that they could be next, to be completely wiped off the map. As was done to Hiroshima & Nagasaki.

Isn't it funny how the group of people who say that providing aid to ordinary Gazans means I am supporting terrorism are themselves suggesting annihiliation of tens of thousands of innocents as a final solution to a problem. See what I did there?

Nothing more to say to these idiots. Might doesn't make right, it just makes state terrorism. Saying they're "terrible acts" does nothing to diminish the responsibility or the fundemental wrong. There's nothing inherently better about an Israeli than a Palestinian life or vice-versa. Everyone must be protected.

Until the next Israeli / Hamas atrocity this thread has just become a repetitive statement by the Israeli lobby that protesting against Israel is "Terrorism" and "Supports Hamas".

If users/people want to be ultra-nationalistic and equate protesting and democracy with terrorism then they should do well to remember that legitamacy can often be bestowed by force of arms alone. But force of arms will never in the end suffice to stop the people who have the mandate for deciding policy.

It sickens me the killing, it sickens me some of the physical people in this thread who still can't get it past their blind racism and hate that the death of innocents is more important than anything. Watching as this whole argument spins back to "Sarai.. protest against Hamas for stealing some food..." IS POINTLESS. The UNHCR worked as it should and rightly protested in my place, it stopped delivery and demanded assurances from Hamas that this will not happen again.

If the UNHCR was complicit in supplying Terrorists, I would do what I could to channel my funds to other organizations with better controls. But they're not, so I fund them. That in itself is protesting against Hamas and not giving directly to them.

The failure in your fundemental thinking is not realising that without pressure on Israel to 'work as it should' and be a Democracy with fundemental rights to all and obligations to the world it wouldn't. Israel like many countries is selfish, arrogant and where possible only interested in its own rights. The same situation has been mirrored across the world for hundreds of years, the strong will oppress the weak in order to ensure "Peace / Security". It is the mandate of people with a care to protest against the excesses of this and do what we can with our money and time to stop oppression, terrorism, war, famine and agression where-ever and when-ever we can.

I have protested about gitmo since the camp was founded and the world realised what it was. Finally Obama has decided to close it.

I have funded the Red Cross and Red Crescent in the Asian Tsunami when local Governments were too corrupt or poor to care for their own.

I personally wrote to the UK Government demanding action against the Burma Junta for the flooding in the Irwadi Delta that claimed the lives of many and led to the Junta being complict in starvation against its people. I was pleased when US and other nations ships ferried aid across after significant pressure.

I have stood up and joined groups to protest against the Japanese Revisions of history that strain our nations ties and seek to erase the slaughter of Chinese civilians that took place in the Japanese Occupation. You Israeli's would do well to remember that the death toll is comparable, 'Shoah' vs 'Japanese Occupation' and we both suffered medical experiments, torture, death squads and forced labour at the hands of oppressors. It is only due to the world's guilt at their inaction in the Holocaust that we have Holocaust denial crimes and the funding and resources provided to Israel to exist. People try and forget the Asian version, but I and others won't.

Finally, I stand up for peace in Tibet and a reconciliation between traditional elements and Beijing. This is done through letter writing and funding.

So to tell me that I am funding terrorism or supporting terrorism when I am actually bringing democratic pressure to bear on a country that is stepping over the line is plainly stupid. To insult the tens of thousands who believe the same, is plainly stupid and finally to insult the lives of the Gazans trapped in an economic blockade which prevents even bag of concrete (Source: Economist) entering Gaza is to justify and support state sponsored bullying, oppression and worse. One day people will look inside themselves with more vigour and will see how some elements of the Jewish community have turned into that they loathe the most.

Perhaps I will end the post with a paraphrase quote from an ultra-nationalist member of the Israeli Knesset (Parliament),

<Israeli Parliament MP> "We will do to you what we did to Hamas"

Who was he talking to? Why, the very small minority Muslim/Arab members of the Knesset which the Government is trying to ban. In a few years, what will people make of Jews disenfranchising their own Arabs, calling their own Arab politicians terrorists supporters and trying to take away their democractic mandate.

I know what I call it, I know what I call everything from Hamas shooting rockets at Israel to Israel shooting missiles at Gaza. Terrorism in all forms.

I call it awfully sad. I hope anyone reading this and who is moderate would consider donating to charities or appeals.

Disaster Emergency Committee (Taking donations for Gaza)

Don't presume to tell me what I have and haven't been doing when you've failed to read this thread. I fully am against the firing of rockets by a terrorists organization at civilian areas. I refuse to say it again because it seems to bounce of your head. Therefore you're descoped (again).

Later in the week I'm going to post an analysis supported by major media, NGO and Governmental sources on the true 'winners' of the recent conflict. It won't link to biased Youtube videos, include emotional blackmail or downright aggressive rude attitudes like most of the posts here. Also it won't be personally directed at anyone here, again unlike half the posts here. Feel free to ignore it, respond on not. There are greater audiences at stake than haters.

Here's a hint on the outcome though... the Palestinian People didn't win, nor did Hamas, nor did Israel. Did Israeli people? Hard to say, on balance marginally.

Is anyone safer? Not really. Is anyone richer? No. Do people hate each other more? Yes. Is Hamas toppled? No. Has Israel set back human rights and education and health in the Strip by a few years? Yes. Is the $2.5bn rebuilding package worth it? No - Hamas and Israel will destroy anything built again. Did Hamas target civilians? Yes, illegally but luckily without much effect. Did Israel? Indirectly due to a lack of care. Do I still care enough to donate rebuilding money and aid to Gaza? Yes, always. Does my tax still subsidize arms shipments to Israel? Yes, sadly.

Is there a workable solution? Possibly... a bleak assessment. But with most commentators every few years lamenting the failure of one side or the other to make real progress it comes as no surprise. I'll try my pen at another solution suggestion later.

At 1/17/09 08:02 PM, adrshepard wrote:

At 1/17/09 06:03 PM, Sarai wrote: What you post to me I ignore because you end every paragraph with an insult. That is why you are ignored, because it is not worth talking to you as every paragraph ends in an insult (see above), or calling people who don't agree with your views 'terrorist' supporters.

Heh. Who willl you go after if you stop talking to morefngdbs? Certainly not Zoorule or I; we are apparently too threatening to your ego.

I don't 'go after' anyone. Either don't post in this thread or if you don't like what I post and can't manage to respond to me without insults then just ignore my posts and talk to other posters here. It's easy, goes with the rules and has a positive result.

At 1/18/09 01:39 AM, Mr-President wrote:

At 1/17/09 07:53 PM, SolInvictus wrote:

At 1/17/09 08:41 AM, Sarai wrote: If Israel really wanted a ceasefire, they would withdraw outside of Gaza

i'm not sure you understand the concept of a ceasefire or the difference between a ceasefire and something like a truce or peace treaty.

I think that is what it is. The idea is that no one is necessarily agreeing to anything political, but a ceasefire. The ending of offenses on both sides. The politics comes next.

It seems to me that, logically, it would be smart for Gaza to stop shooting rockets, and then begin to discuss the terms for a peace treaty so that Israel can get out. Regardless of the circumstances, the Palestinians are only hurting themselves if they choose to continue attacking while the big guy has stood down.

Agreed, it would be very smart for them to do this. But the problem is after 60 pages of saying that Hamas is a terrorist organization you are trying to get them to act like a state. They don't have full control over their militia or weapons and as such I don't believe they can manage a ceasefire even if their top leadership agreed.

As I also tried to get across, do you really think they (or any group that considers itself 'Freedom Fighters') would accept a ceasefire when occupying troops are on the ground? I believe for example Northern Ireland was eventually sorted after British troops withdrew. When dealing with terrorists sometimes you have to do more than them. You have strategic goals, they have 'moralistic' or 'visionary' goals.

So, Israel is obviously naeive to think a unilaterial ceasefire will mean much. When they leave Gaza, they'll probably get their bilateral ceasefire. When they lift the blockade and allow more international monitoring and control and allow Gazans jobs and a social/economic life then they'll find the power of Hamas falls. When people are richer they are less likely to believe in extreme attitudes, when they are ground down under relentless attacks and crippling blockades then they're not that likely to.... Simple hey.

Note the argument above ignores blame fully. There is no need to go into "Hamas did this, Israel did that", it's simple logic. You can't say terrorists are terrorists one day then expect them to act like a state the next day.

At 1/17/09 08:53 AM, JackOfShadows wrote:

At 1/17/09 08:41 AM, Sarai wrote:

No, you obviously don't have a full range of knowledge then. White Phos is fired by tank Shells, Missile based weapons, mortars, planes etc. You don't have white phos grenades because the blast range is too large to throw them. Seriously, go read Janes or even Wiki about White Phos.

Dude, read the link I posted. It plains states that WP grenades can be launched from IFVs. I fact, I have launched such grenades.

As for WP attacks, there is a lot of evidence against these claims. I guess we just want to believe different claims.

Yes, perhaps you would do better to read what I wrote. No one said you can't automatically fire a weapon system. Those however are different devices to airborne delivered systems, or tank fired weapons.

UN accuses Israel over phosphorus

Or the quote from HRH (Human Rights Watch; an organization that stands up to China, Zimb, and many other places) "Human Rights Watch says it has observed "dozens and dozens" of white phosphorus shells being fired by Israel at the Gaza Strip - a heavily populated civilian area where its use is prohibited."

La, you may have your sources, but if they're Israeli military, of course they will deny potential warcrimes. I prefer to rely on independent weapons experts, photographs and other testimonials from Independent sources actually there. Of course, I'm sure some reports are false, not every potential WP shell is such, however the photographs from hospitals of burn victims as well as links such as the above and the videos from HRW are enough to prove that it happens over civilian populations without doubt.

The latest issue of the Economist (Jan 17th-23rd) holds a pragmatic view of both the 'war crimes' issue and the general issue of a ceasefire. They like myself and most reasonable observers believe a unilaterial ceasefire can't work and is just being used by Israel as a pretext for continued ground presence (and special operations/intelligence gathering) in the Gaza Strip.

As one might expect from a terrorist organization, Hamas are hardly likely to have the command and control over all their fighters and thus will likely not be able to manage a ceasefire, even if they wanted. As I mentioned, a ceasefire can't work anyway if Israel continues to control an economic blockade and also have an occupying presence on land that doesn't belong to them.

Egypt will police the border better from one side and Hamas has consented to discuss international monitoring. A brave step by the UN as their soldiers would be in-between Israeli's and Hamas, but if all sides considered it, it would be a worthwhile step to giving the Gazan's a sense of normality and a buffer between Hamas and Israel. It has worked in Lebanon for the last period, it may work here.

For the TLDR:

- Hamas won't stop firing because they are not a regular army - until Israeli soldiers leave the land at least and even then, it's not likely unless the UN/Egypt are involved.
- Israel will stay there and use the excuse to continue to oppress the population building further resentment, at least until Hamas shoots them some more (which will happen) and the killing will start again.
- Thus cycle continues, terrorists shoot at Israel, Israel shoots at Terrorists and kills civilians. If each side is a broken record, it's so hard.

At 1/17/09 04:50 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 1/17/09 04:42 PM, rami-keyblade wrote:

Why dude, he was in Israel ducking for cover when the rockets come .

oh Please those rockets are home made.

;;;;;;;
Now that's a great way of looking at it.
It doesn't matter that I killed some people today...the rockets were home made.
Rami has spoken " Bombing, killing and maiming are all ok now, as long as they're homemade bombs & rockets its perfectly OK."
Give your head a shake dude .
Hear any rattling sound ?
didn't think so .

Stop being rude to people in this thread, or you can get out. What you post to me I ignore because you end every paragraph with an insult. That is why you are ignored, because it is not worth talking to you as every paragraph ends in an insult (see above), or calling people who don't agree with your views 'terrorist' supporters.

End it now please.

At 1/17/09 08:34 AM, JackOfShadows wrote:

At 1/17/09 07:06 AM, Sarai wrote: White Phos is not a grenade to the poster above. It is a tank shell or artillery shell fired.

You're talking to a tankman here. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about.

No, you obviously don't have a full range of knowledge then. White Phos is fired by tank Shells, Missile based weapons, mortars, planes etc. You don't have white phos grenades because the blast range is too large to throw them. Seriously, go read Janes or even Wiki about White Phos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosp horous

It is illegal if used to target civilian areas. Which Israel has done, such as the shells hitting the UN HQ.

Do you have any proof that it was WP shells? Judging by the photos, it looks like ordinary shrapnel.

Never said that photo was White Phos. Go to HRW website (Human Rights Watch) or some of the Israeli based charities who have photographic evidence of it.

The ones to blame for the shelling of the schools are the Hamas, who fire rockets from civillian areas. They are the ones putting their citizens in danger.

No, we've had this discussion before. You can't apply traditional war stategies against this conflict.

Also, for the poster above who hasn't learned to be polite in their posts, perhaps they should quote all sources. The 'ceasefire' includes the provision that the blockade remains in place and that Israeli forces stay in Gaza.

Do you think that Hamas can either i) Accept Israeli presence on their streets? or ii) Has enough authority to ensure that all fighters stop shooting at the Israeli's?

Since the answer to i + ii) is NO. Then there's no point in the ceasefire, someone will either i) Take a potshot at an Israeli, starting it all again, or basically since none of the reasons for the fighting are lifted (blockade etc) there's nothing for them to agree to.

I wouldn't damn agree to a ceasefire if my lands had foreign tanks and soldiers on them. And that statement is independent of Hamas themselves being terrorists. If Israel really wanted a ceasefire, they would withdraw outside of Gaza, let the UN take control of the borders and allow Egypt to destroy the weapons tunnels. Without weapons Hamas is not the threat, but with a blockade people support them. None of you guys get that, if you beat a people into submission they will hate you.

White Phos is not a grenade to the poster above. It is a tank shell or artillery shell fired. It is illegal if used to target civilian areas. Which Israel has done, such as the shells hitting the UN HQ.

In addition, here is a first hand picture from the BBC of a UN school being bombed by Israel;

Bombing UN School (medics and civilians flee for cover)

The UN openly talks about war crime charges now, I hope so, I really do. Knock some sense into the Israeli side.

PS, if anyone intelligent here wants to get above the general tit-for-tat comments, the Economist had a great article on Gaza as the Editorial in the last issue. It was very balanced. I can't repeat it here for plagarism reasons, but it should be on their website.

At 1/12/09 07:22 PM, adrshepard wrote: A lot of good that does if they aren't allowed in Gaza.

Which bit didn't you get about the BBC having people on the ground in Gaza? Muppet :0

Youtube is not a reliable source for this and discussions will not be entered into. It's well known both the IDF and to a much lesser extent Hamas post properganda videos on Youtube. Thus accredited international organizations such as NGOs, charities and independent media outlets are a far better source of unbiased information.

We don't need any more bullshit in this thread which is why I quote from News Sources only that are based OUTSIDE the Middle East but usually have correspondents or desks located in the region. A good portfolio of News Organizations is CNN/BBC and for a little more bias Fox/Al-Jazeera. The BBC maintains a healthy lead over its rivals by being in my view one of the best and least bias news organizations in the world. In addition it has people on the ground in Gaza, something only the bias Al-Jazeera can manage.

Don't let the IDF rule the airwaves as well as rule the sky :) Seek independent coverage and then make your own mind up on the truth.

The facts are that both sides commit war-crimes against each other, both have been accused by International Governments, Charities and other organizations. You can't support either Israel or Hamas in their goals as both their goals are not genuine. Hamas at the moment is not a reliable partner for negotiations based on a docterine of violence. Israel is also not a faithful partner due to continued breaches of their own commitments. The fact of the matter is that one must hold a 'Democracy' up to higher standards than a terrorist, otherwise the world is full of elected Terrorists.

In response to some of the bullshit here from certain posters who for example claimed that:

i) Militants fired weapons from the UN school that Israel attacked killing 30....
ANSWER: Israel now admits the weapons were 'off-target' and that militants did not fire from the school.
SOURCE: Source

In addition the following interesting articles

ii) Israel denies using banned weapons:
Background: Certain burning weapons (Phosphorous) are banned in civilian areas. Israel denies using them but independent stories from multiple sources including video evidence seems to contradict this. One can recall in the Lebanon war Israel denying (and then owning up) and also the use of Cluster Weapons in the last few hours of the war that have continued to kill civilians for months.
SOURCE: Israel denies using banned weapons

iii) Saving the best to last: Is Israel Racist?
Background: Israel BANS the two main Arab political parties from contesting the next election. The ban was sponsored by the Ultra-Nationalist Jewish parties and passed the vote. The stated reasons were "accusing them of supporting terrorism" and "did not recognise Israel's existence as a Jewish and democratic state". It's interesting that Israeli Arabs DO have citizenship, so one must assume they now 'no longer' recognise the state.

In any case, the parties plan to appeal a ruling they call openly racist, Israel Bans it's own Opposition Parties The parties had 7 seats at the last election.... Nice way to disenfranchise the Arabs? Or is there something else to it, what are their 'terrorist links'?

Anyway, some news from the wire :) Just throwing it out against the general properganda BS from two users.

Musician's post is a well thought out and balanced account of someone sitting on a fence and thinking about the truths. If Israel actually allowed independent people into Gaza then perhaps people around the world wouldn't rely so much on unverifiable facts. However since the BBC does have a ground presence there, I do believe quite significant numbers of their stories.

I also note some comment here that it is fine to force familes to stay in houses taken over by Israeli sniper teams. This is clearly illegal and borderline war-crime, you can look it up if you want. How many wrongs does it take before the world takes notice that yes, Hamas is a terrorist organization that through its misadventures harms its own people but also how little regard Israel has for civilians.

Oh well :/ Nice to read your post M... interesting.

At 1/10/09 10:02 AM, Doonie wrote: Hebron massacre where Palestinians killed dozens of Jews 1920. They were killing Jews all along. What about the fact that the Arabs put them in these "Concentration camps" (You are disgusting fucker). "Land grabbing", if you haven't noticed, every time we "grabbed" land, we brought it back for peace. Only Palestinians don't want peace, and never did. They want us dead. And you support it. So fuck off

Doonie, get out of my thread if you're just going to insult people. If the Vatican can liken what is happening in Gaza to a concentration camp posters in this thread are allowed to mention it or believe it without harrassment by your purile language and threats.

What I believe in may be wrong, what I believe in my be different to other people's views, but I sure as hell have the right to express it. So kindly either play along with the RULES, or stop posting your hateful comments. I can deal with your lies and mis-truths about the "Perfect Israel", so feel free to keeping posting them, haha.

Israel attacks a house it moved civilians into itself less than 24 hours previously, many dead (30+ mostly women and children).

Israel is already getting hinted that it may be committing war crimes, the story headline above is an example.

Israel moves civilians into a compound then shells it

I am ignoring certain lying posters here :)

At 1/7/09 11:53 PM, Doonie wrote:

At 1/7/09 11:45 PM, Grammer wrote: Israel is the bully on the playground who gets away with picking on little kids because his dad is the principal, and all the teachers pity him because something happened to him 65 years ago that no one cares about anymore.

Wait...

I like the fact that no matter how much people stick facts and argument to your face, you just keep on with that attitude.

Sadly because you constantly lie / mislead in your posts, I saw your post about UN Ambulances in another thread.

UN demands apology "for rockets in Ambulance Story"; Israel 'Reviews'

I also saw you claim militants fired from the school that Israel attacked recently killing 40 mostly women and children;

UN denies fire from the school; observers on site.

At 1/6/09 11:20 AM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 1/5/09 11:58 PM, Doonie wrote: I'd understand Arabs walking on the streets against us, i'd understand Muslims walking against us.
that people are so stupid. That's why i'm so desprated with Sarai, a Chinese living in london, considering that China killed around 1,000,000 Tibetians, and only 10,500 Palestinians died since 1967, majority of them militants.

The majority of them weren't militants, get your stupid sources right. Also get your stupid sources right regarding Tibet. The Population in 2000 was under 2.7million. There were 1.58m in 1969. No one killed 1 million people.

You kids with your wild statements to try and garner support. You must think you're really something to pepper every post of yours with distortion and lies. There are facts and there are assumptions. But you go even further with downright lies.

"Majority of them militants", wrong, show me NGO independent facts that back this up from sources such as the United Nations.

"How can people not support Israel." Because of all the crimes Israel commits.

We don't support Israel and we don't support Hamas, we support peace. Get that through your head with your one sided posting. As I say time and time again, rockets = terrorism = bad = should stop.

You kid yourself with what you've done in Gaza "You withdrew?" Oh sure, you withdrew to heavily fortified checkpoints at the borders (and inside), you blockaded airspace and the coast and prevented aid and fuel on a regular basis. You withheld tax dollars and revenues because you disagreed with a result. You look to the past to claimn historical 'right' to bomb, but you don't consider Israel never gave a proper chance for peace. You don't have peace by burning down the neighbours grass and lawn and point weapons at their house.

Pleased to see protests in London had lots of people even though it was cold tonight. We were there to renounce terror on all sides, Governmental and Terrorists alike.

No I don't protest about 11 civilians getting killed in 7 years. Because if I was to do that I'd need to do it for every country in the world (The US executes more than Hamas killed every year... China executes more than the US... Terrorists in Nigeria, Uganda and everywhere kill more, Terrorists in Xianjiang North China blow people up there...) Terror is everywhere, but except for the Iraq war, the atrocities committed in the Occupied Territories are the only other current major in my view illegal and criminal war perpertrated by a Democracy.

That is why I protest there, a Democracy should know better and the huge losses of life are simply incomprehensible.

I do far more for charity than you might be doing. And I do it for many different democratic causes (such as paying for womens' education in Afghanistan). I stand up for what I believe in and won't let purile racists drag me down. Israel's solution to the Palestinian problem are just as wrong as Hamas' solution to Israel and I will let the world know both. Deal with it, not everyone loves murderers, Government or Terrorist... either are awful.

At 1/5/09 01:22 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 1/4/09 05:58 PM, Sarai wrote:

At 1/4/09 04:48 PM, morefngdbs wrote: *sigh* but there is no chance any of you assholes will get a glimpse of reality.

Thank you for the death wish dear, how nice to issue death threats above the internet.

;;;;
More of a reality wish...than a death wish, but you are one of those asses who proves their an ass just by speaking.

Ever listen to mods on here? Obviously not!

Anyway, besides from your statements of ill-intent to all and sundry, like all pro-Israeli's you ignore continually me and others stating that we REJECT Hamas violence and do NOT believe it is okay to fire rockets. I hate having to repeat myself so many times, but I guess that's what it takes with you. ROCKET FIRE = BAD. KILLING HUNDREDS OF CIVILIANS = BAD

Just FYI of anyone not bias here, 11 Isreali's have been killed by rocket fire since 2001 according to the BBC (assuming this is roughly accurate) then that stacks up against thousands of civilians in Lebanon and Gaza and the West Bank killed by Israel. THAT IS WHAT WE PROTEST AGAINST, the illegal use of excessive force in residential areas that target civilian infrastructure and due to their inherently imprecise nature, hit civilians and... KILL them.

I would hate 11 people dying in any country... But I would temper my response with policies that actually work and do not increase BRUTALITY and bloodsheed in an already volatile region (Economic blockades, illegal restriction on movements of ambulances, targeting civilian infrastructure, etc)

It's all the same in the end anyway, Terrorists are all bad, state sponsored or not.

PS, stop swearing in your posts, it doesn't make you mature, it just makes you angsty.

Oh look, here comes an ALT (or the Isreali teenager / "Cyberinformation Team")

At 1/4/09 06:07 PM, PrestonGK wrote: It's good to know how much you high school dropouts seem to support Palestine. Maybe you should try picking up a book rather than gathering your information from biased news sources, and you'll find out what's really going on. First of all, stop calling these people fucking Palestinians, it's a made up phrase. It's something the soviets convinced them to call themselves, in order to garner the support of morons.

i) More educated than you
ii) Read a lot of books of history, read a lot of News from CNN and American sites (generally pro) to the BBC (generally neutral) to Al-J (generally against)
iii) Yes well, Israel is a madeup/recreated state by the Great Powers after a war, so lets not argue over semantics of a group of people. They're still a group of people.

You, the public, of fucking morons, hear Palestinian and think, "OMFG! A new race of people! GEt them land quickly." It's.... BULLSHIT! A completely invented phrase, based on the Philistines, the ancient race that occupied Israel in biblical times. They're just arabs, and if their (very rich) governments put half that money they spend on RPG's to launch into Israel, money they use to build their bullshit temples where they spread their hateful religion,

We *heart* racists on this forum, you'll fit right in. Since some of my friends and work colleagues are Muslim I'll remind them i) not to be hateful, ok. Sure... Sure... *rolls her eyes* You're pathetic you know that, you're the one biased and full of useless and made-up facts.

and fucking palace after palace for their so called "royalty" maybe at least one of the 50+ muslim countries would be livable, and not a nightmare of oppression and hatred.

General Comments for the win! Malaysia is pretty good example of different faiths working together by the way, (give or take the odd anti-Chinese riot!)

These people have all the fucking money in the world, they control all the Oil, members of muslim royalty stand in the top ten in terms of money, yet the general population lives like wild animals.

Yes, of course they do. That's right dear. You just uhh... keep spouting of like a 12 year old what you were taught in hate-school. Weird how they people who say Islam is a hate filled religion themselves tend to be hate filled.

By the way, if you're a woman, and you do one or more of the following, wear makup, go outside without your head covered, drive a car, vote, work, go to school, wear short skirts... drum roll........... the arabs want you to die...

No they don't dear. Depending on the country different things are allowed, for example in the UAE, women can't drive... but can do pretty much anything else. In Malaysia everything ok... Again freedoms are relative around the world, and the few Muslim women I know those who wear a headscarf do it out of respect to their religion. I don't know any Burkah wearers and I'm sure some don't want to wear them, but I'm always smiling when I see a young women in a Burkah and... high stiletto heels. It reminds me of a Muslim market I went too once, lingerie is so popular for Arab women :D

Anyway, I am going to bed... *_*

At 1/4/09 06:03 PM, Doonie wrote:

At 1/4/09 04:41 PM, Sarai wrote: The Provisional IRA *did* often phone before they bombed except in the case of attacks on the English mainland where warnings were often cryptic / quite late. Terrorists groups around the world know the power of bomb threats / 'target threats' into causing panic in a civilian population who are powerless to stop the aforementioned bomb. Another group known to 'warn' included Eta (Spain) at different times during its terror campaign.

X The IRA did not stand for destroying the United Kingdom.

It stood for the destruction of the territorial integrity of the United Kingdom (Northern Ireland is part of the UK) and used any violent means to do this. Your lack of fundemental knowledge of the IRA, the Provisional IRA and the Real IRA precludes you from making sense. The IRA bombed in NI, the UK and all around, including the Trafford shopping centre in Manchester causing many deaths.

X The United Kingdom did not have to deal with tens of ROCKETS shot into London every day, for 8 years.

It dealt with constant bomb threats, terrorist shootings, kidnappings and attacks on the police and army in both NI and the mainland. Your lack of knowledge of what the "United Kindom" is, saddens me.

X The IRA did not arm itself like crazy every time it discussed about peace with UK, just to break the discussion and hit the UK harder next time.

Yes it did, every time. When peace for one section of the IRA was made, another (such as the real IRA) sprouted up. They were armed with pistols, rifles, bombs, rocket launchers, and other devices. It is worth noting that despite the British army 'atrocities' that were stated to be committed (and probably wewere), there was little civilian damage in the many many many years of British army presence in NI. With Clinton's help and the final working together to turn the IRA's political arm into a real political force peace was achieved. Now Sinn Fein sits in the Assembly and peace has broken out, all without massive overwhelming destruction.

Anyway, enough on NI/UK, you know too little, even an uneducated in UK history Chinese like me knows more living here for a few years.

X the IRA were not brainwashed radical Islamics willing to sacrifice their life to hit innocent people, and get 72 virgins in heaven after that.

Nor are some the people fighting you. Your racist attitude belies your lack of knowledge of the causes of the war. Also the IRA were in a sense brainwashed, they were nationalistic and believed Ireland was for the Irish and that all UK was a legitimate target (civilians especially) (UK has owned NI for longer than Israel existed... so was their claim more or less merit, heh)

Right now as Israeli tanks plough trough the Strip killing civilians and militants alike it's both shocking

Lie. Does 90% casualties accuracy in the most populated area in the world, when Hamas is using the civilians it claims to protect as human shields is not shooting them alike. Stop being biased disgusting idiot.

90% is incorrect, the UN estimates 25%+ at least are civilian deaths, the injured will be 100's more. The likely % is probably higher, since no foreign press can reliably get in there and see the atrocities first hand. Thank God for the BBC that has a branch there.

See you at the London marches.

I'll be here hoping a Qassam or Mortar will land on your head. So you'll understand how it feels to have 15 seconds to hide, for 8 years, with government doing nothing.

How nice anorther Israeli-Nazi... What a weird combination of words, but it works so well on people who preach death to others who just want to excercise their democratic rights and protest. Oh wait... I forgot Isreal doesn't allow democratic rights to anyone except Isreali's.