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At 9/17/06 01:15 PM, Night-Mare wrote: Your 9 year old daughter wanted a magazine.
You brought her the magazine.
She read the magazine.
She found that article about masturbation.
She tries it out.
Then 2-3 years later she wants more and wants to have sex before she is even a teenager.

Oh, sure.
Because masturbation always leads to copulation.
And marijuana always leads to crack smoking.

And yes - capitilism trums morality.
Every fucking time.

There are no such things as 'good' and 'evil'.

I cannot think of an universially 'good' act, because all acts of charity and kindness stem from greed. An individual volunteers at a soup kitchen because he feels bad for the homeless. His community service ease his giult and empathy.
People donate cash to charity for either the tax break, or the reason listed above.

I do feel, though, that there are inherant 'bad' acts.
Rape is always wrong. Always. Rape's wrongness is not a matter of opinion.
Genocide is wrong, 100% of the time. So is slavery.
So is the intentional killing of innocents.

At 9/12/06 08:07 PM, Truthiness wrote: Today I fielded a call from an old woman in McCordsville, Indiana, requesting to speak to Senator Evan Bayh about buying her a flag. I told her that I would get her in touch with the woman who did our flag orders. She said no, insisted she wanted to speak with the Senator. I told her the Senator doesn't do flag purchases directly.

And that's exactly what you should have done. Policy is Policy.

"I need a flag for my grandson's coffin, he's coming back from Iraq." I transferred her to the Senator's office line.

You're lucky your ass didn't recieve reprimandation, up to termination, even.

Leave your heart at home, when you're on the clock. Seriously. You're there to do a job, not console some old woman.

McCain for chrissakes, he was a POW. You'd think he would give a shit. Of course not, because Senators don't actually give a damn about the people who fight, only the political cost that comes with public opinion after each death. They can't even be bothered to lift a pen for three seconds.

Oh wah.

"My senator didn't hand sign my letter of condolence! If it had only been handsigned, I wouldn't feel any grief at all about the loss of my son/daughter!"

At 9/12/06 08:31 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 9/12/06 08:24 PM, Stolzer-Amerikanisch wrote:

At 9/12/06 08:21 PM, Truthiness wrote: I wish I could autopen responses to you like Senators do to the families of dead troops.

Keep wishing, some day maybe you will get out of being the senators bitch, eh?

OOOOOH take THAT JMHX!
That'll teach you for getting actualy involved in politics rather than just sit at home bitching about stuff!

Isn't he a...secretary?

Yea. Way to go. You screen calls for a senator, and print up his autopens. Way to get involved with politics.

Do you get his coffee for him, too?

At 9/16/06 12:57 PM, pretentious-asshat wrote: Why are people even denying this? Since when did politicians care about the individual losses above their own ratings?

Yea, really.

What kind of fool sits around thinking 'My senator cares for me, personally! He loves America! I bet he spends all day thinking of ways to keep us safe, and help middle America! And I know he handsigns his letters of grief!"

At 9/13/06 09:02 PM, altanese-mistress wrote: Life has been disrupted, freedoms after freedoms are being taken away in the name of security, people word-wide are fearful of an attack on any place at any time, America is looking worse and worse on the global stage....

Yes, life has been disrupted. Yes, we are making sure people do not board airplanes with knives or chemicals.

We did not choose terrorism. Terrorism set it's sight on the free world.

And what rights have been taken from you? Your freedom of speech obviously isn't being affected. Nor is your assumed right of dissent. The press bashes our president everyday...so that right is still intact. Protests go on daily.

Name me something that homeland security has taken from you. Name one right that no longer exists for you.

We're adapting, is all. If we didn't check people before getting on planes, people would bitch about a lack of security, the first time there was an attack (be it by a terrorist, or a crazy person).

Can governments (particularly America) really keep saying they don't have secret prisons?

No. They should be men about it, and come forward with the cold nasty truth.

I don't feel they should stop...but they should own up to it.

At this rate, it won't be long before America and it's allies are completly expelled from the Middle East, and America will be only a shadow of it's former self by 2100 (or, worse case; divided between states that declare home-rule and other nations taking grabs at formerly American states and territories)

That's one example of a worse case scenario, yes.
It's just not a likely scenario, at all.

At 9/13/06 09:27 PM, altanese-mistress wrote:

At 9/13/06 09:10 PM, Nylo wrote: You're mistaken, friend. What freedoms have been taken away?

Search & Seizure and Arrests can be had without a warrent now, and very primarily privacy.

And people that are not breaking the law have nothing to worry about.

Innocent men do not get arrested and convicted, 99% of the time.

Is it wrong for people to be scared?

Not 'wrong' but rather, very dicouraging. It's the entire point of Terrorism, you know; to spread fear among your enemies.

Weshould be scared of terrorism. Should we just sit back and not worry about evil me who, as I type, plot the death of my friends, family, and allies.

There is discourse in this country, and that's a good sign. It's our way.

The last time America was so divided was during era of the Civil Rights Movement and Vietnam War; were those good times?

Actually...yes. Those were good times, because they lead to America changing it's ways. Times like the civil rights movement, and the vietnam war empowered America.

Are you saying an empowered American is a bad American?

Name one single terrorist plot that has been foiled with wire-tapping? In fact, name all the terrorist plots that have been foiled outside of the Middle East ever since 9/11/01.

There you go.
And the clincher.

Do a little research, before making ridiculous statements.
It took me all of ten seconds to open google.

At 9/13/06 09:39 PM, Kev-o wrote: Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11.

Way to go. Thanks for adding so much to the conversation.

At 9/13/06 09:57 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: I can't wait till the day that it's (the patriot act) repealled.

So what if it is? The government will continue doing the same exact thing, it just won't be covered on the evening news every night.

You are not being given a choice. Secret prisons will continue to exist, no matter how many laws we make, or repeal. Phone calls to and from the middle east will continue to be monitored. People that rent twenty books on how to build bombs from their local library are going to be put on a watch list.

With or without the patriot act, it shall continue. With or without your approval, it shall continue.

Get used to it.

At 9/13/06 10:47 PM, TimeTrials wrote: Ah, the one place where the constitution doesn't mean diddly. The Supreme Court.

The entire point of having a Supreme Court is so that America has the power to change the constitution to better fit the times.

At 9/14/06 02:41 AM, BushidoBrown wrote: Bush should be executed.

You say that, but claim your freedoms are being taken away?
How is your freedom of speech and expression being taken away, if you're allowed to make death threats against our president, and get away with it?

At 9/14/06 05:52 PM, 200monkeys wrote: Ok, saying that Liberals want Terrorists to win is as bad as saying Bush created AIDS. Total Bullshit.

'Liberals want terrorists to win' is not what was said.
What was conotated was the fact that The Bush Administration losing the war on terror is a good thing for the democrats.

Losing the war in Iraq = Good for the Democratic party.
Losing the war on terrorism = Great for the democratic party.
Another terrorist attack on America = A Democrat in the white house, in '08.

I, after a long and dangerous adventure, have returned.

Actually, there was no danger.

And I work at a little ceasars, now.

Been away for a while...and you guys fill up this lounge big-time. I'll read all the pages some other time, and respond accordingly.

I have found new residence.

I have to say, all in all, that our most recent eviction was the best thing that ever happened to us. We got one of my brother's friends (who, after many years, became a family friend) to sign on a lease with us. The clan has now become seven, and this house is the nicest home I've ever parked my boots at.

Two stories, three giant bedrooms, a full basement, a bath and a half....all on thirteen acres. We even have a barn out back. Since the house is bigger, my girlfriend and I went out and adopted to cats.

High fives all around.

At 2/14/06 02:37 PM, The_Tank wrote:

At 2/14/06 02:26 PM, Ape_Lincoln wrote: That's big , major BULLSHIT!
1# If money was so bad , why would people spend their entire lives to get some ?

Greed.

You missed the point. The cause of greed is the desire for money. The purpose of money is to procur things that you want...things that would make you happy.

Id'e rather be homeless than Paris Hilton.

Than you're a fucking idiot.

Your imature. You either need more life experience, or you are a very shallow and pathetic person and I feel real sorrow for you.

What are you talking about. The guy you responded to mentioned that money would procure him a nice house and a reliable (albeit fashionable) automobile. He also said that money would help him find an attractive female.

So...he's shallow and immature for wanting the same kind of stability (house, car, wife/signifigant other) as every other schmuck?

Hey, if you don't want a house, car, or signifigant other out of life...good for you.

Most people, however, want exactly that. Those things make people happy.

At 2/14/06 03:01 PM, The_Tank wrote: We have different views about happiness ape lincoln, you think that material wealth and various possesions will bring someone happiness, I feel that you are a victom of a consumer society. I think consumption brings nothing but pain and depression.

lol. Everyone, from the beggining of human sentience, has consumed. There has always, since we evolved upright, been some system of procuring material things.

You cannot live without material things. That's a fact. And you would not be happy, if you had nothing but food and water. Everything else, from the computer you own (purchased via that awful consumerism) to the clothes on your back, is a consumer good.

If you own any music cds (pirated or otherwise), furniture, or electronics...you're just as guilty as the rest of us. If you buy your clothes at anywhere but thriftshops, than you're just as much a 'victim of the consumer society' as the rest of us. If you drink alcohol, smoke marijuana or cigaretes, or eat bubblegum...you're the same kind of consumer whore as the rest of us.

Grow the fuck up. You think you're better? You think you're above consumerism? Do you really think you don't find happiness in material items?
You delivered your point on a computer, with an internet connections. What's up with that? I thought you were above the consumerism, and the advertising?

You don't needA a computer, for survival, do you?

True happiness comes from creating positivity in your life, not getting everything you want.

For most people, 'getting everything you want' would create loads and loads of positivity.

Try reading Down and Out In Paris and London by George Orwell, it explains why being totaly dirt poor wihtout a home or income isn't half as bad as you might think.

Pfft. I could read 'Clockwork Orange', and come away with notion that being a murderous, blood-thirsty criminal isn't 'as bad as I thought'. I could say the same thing about reading the screen-play for 'Pulp Fiction'.

At 2/12/06 06:20 PM, Mighty_Genghis wrote: It is more vicious to be selfish and untruthful (using society against others, passively) than it is to slaughter some so that the rest can live well.

So being untruthful is worse than killing people in the name of 'population control'?

Yea. That's definitely a holistic way to look at things.

Even worse, the majority of our population are so devoid of inherited intelligence, nobility, beauty and strength that they are always viciously and passively attacking those that they perceive to be above them (blonde jokes, anyone?).

I don't know where to start, on you.

Our society and culture is devoid of intelligence? Is that why our culture is on the cutting edge of technology in many fields? What do you mean by 'so devoid of inherited intelligence'? Not only is there intelligence in every field in this country, there's beauty and strength as well.

What's your definition of strength? Is it joining the military when you know there's a chance of dying? Is it raising several children as a single parent? Is it working three jobs to put yourself through college? Is it sticking to whatever your moral core is, despite pressure from every imaginable side to feel some alternative way?

Because we have all that, in our society. We have all that, and a lot more.

Are you such a cynical fool that you cannot recognize gorgeousity and strength in everyday life, and everyday people? Does it have to be Rembrant, or Van Gogh to beautiful? Does it have to be Ghandi, or Martin Luther King, to be strong?

Wake the fuck up. You're an eternal-pessimist who thinks everything is, and always will be, shit. And you're rightfully entitled to feel that way. Proposing silly little plans to 'fix' your malcontented opinions about things, however, is fucking ridiculous.

[ Only in an insane society would we spend all of our time demonizing terrorists and nazis when the real threat comes from our loss of holistic values. ]

As technology increases, and economies strengthen...holistic values die. You know this. Anyone who took an intro-to-business in highschool knows this.

It's just how a culture evolves.

At 2/13/06 01:29 AM, Mighty_Genghis wrote:

At 2/12/06 06:51 PM, o_r_i_g_i_n_a_l wrote: Who gets to breed then, the people who are ‘inherited’ with intelligence, nobility, beauty and strength (have to point out of course, none of these traits are inherited)

Actually traits are inherited: It's called DNA, and you share it with your relatives.

Nobility, strenght, and beauty are all perspective. There is no 'true definiton' of nobility, or beauty.

It's an opinion. Like everything else you say.

I don't think science fiction is going to help us any time soon, so in the meantime I'd rather we all focus on pragmatic means of preserving our planet and its biological diversity.

Oh, space travel is 'science fiction'...while 'purifying our ethnicity' is complete scientific fact.

Way to go.

At 1/29/06 01:27 PM, JoS wrote: I think everyone should have the right to be a Nazi if they so choose. However its what they do that is a problem in society. if they want to go to a hall with a bunch of other Nazis, practice their goosestep and worship a picture of Hitler thats fine. If they want to go and kill a bunch of jews, well Im not okay with that.

My thoughts exactly.

Anything a person who calls themselves a 'nazi' does, that's illegal, will be punished. If they assault someone, they'll face recourse. If they kill someone, they'll go to jail.

I will say this, though: I think any website/organization/anything that promotes or encourages violence should face recourse. I feel inciting violence towards you're countrymen is one of the worst things an American can do.
Yes, the KKK website should either be shut-down, or forcibly edited by the federal government. I think www.nazi.com shut-up, or shut-down. If the Black Panthers have a website that promotes violence, they should be censored by the government.

I don't feel censoring violence-inciting speech is 'infringing on rights'. I don't feel that 'freedom of speech' is the same as 'the right to promote violence and hate'.
Sorry, if that makes me unamerican.

At 1/30/06 10:35 PM, Jerconjake wrote:

At 1/30/06 06:53 AM, Dranigus wrote: Maybe if you weren't so emotional, you might finally be right about something. And maybe if you stop focusing on sarcasm and actually use your brain, you might actually "outsmart" me.

Jesus Christ man, you're the one who's biting everyone's head off. It's possible to retort without calling everyone an idiot and insulting their intelligence.

Not with Draningus. That's how he is. I don't even respond to him, anymore.

He gets ignored in the same fashion that I ignore people who believe in the Illuminati, and the fashion that people who think 'The war in Iraq was for oil'.

If no one responded to these kinds of people, they'd go away.

At 2/1/06 05:23 AM, Enoll wrote:

At 2/1/06 05:21 AM, Samuel_HALL wrote: You're so not romantic, it's sickening.

He should propose to her on the universal backlot tour, where jaws pops out of
the water.

</mallrats>

Pfft. 'Proposing'.

He should tell her he loves her, have three solid weeks of amazing sex...and then leave a five-word note on her dresser. By the time she wakes up, he could already be having sex with some other girl that he claimed to love.

The five words?
"Thanks for the good time!"

At 2/1/06 05:13 AM, TheOasis wrote:

At 1/31/06 10:46 PM, Masterful-Swordplay wrote: I'm 18

In your profile it says your 22, Why do i feel lied to?

He's probably twelve, in all actuallity..

At 2/1/06 05:15 AM, Yoh_Asakura wrote:

At 2/1/06 05:11 AM, Enoll wrote: Hey, it worked for picasso....

it was van gogh

Shhh. I was running with that.

At 2/1/06 05:15 AM, Spawnof wrote:

At 2/1/06 05:08 AM, Samuel_HALL wrote: You know what you should give her?
An ear. Or a digit from your own hand.

isnt that shit illegal?

Look, if he really loved her, legalities wouldn't even enter his mind.

You're so not romantic, it's sickening.

and im fairly sure she would get a restraining order pretty quick.

I doubt it.

dude, try auction some of you stuff on ebay?

Alright, in all seriousness: Don't buy the girl anything, at all.

No, seriously. To me, a gift is a cheap way to attempt a relationship. It's...trite.

"Hey, look...I got you a $25-$100 dollar gift. Aren't I awesome? Don't you just fucking dig me? Take your panties off."

Just ask her out. See if you guys fit together. If you do, then buy that materialistic bitch another pair of shoes, or a rock album.

At 2/1/06 05:10 AM, Enoll wrote: Today I read that any sort of body armor eg. bullet proof vests are illegal here
in Australia.
I want to know why, it couldn't be beacue I could beat you with it, I mean, I can do
that with a chair and they're perfectly legal.

C'mon. You don't seem stupid, to me...so stop acting like it.

What if criminals got their hands on a bunch of body armor, Enoll? Do you think that would be good for Australia's law enforcement? Do you think that'd make their job easier?

At 2/1/06 05:14 AM, Enoll wrote:

At 2/1/06 05:12 AM, madknt wrote: where did you read this exactly?

Ok, I didn't read it today, I lied.

Way to start off on the good foot.

Awhile ago there was a bust on a biker gang and among the siezed items were
bits of body armor including bullte proof vests.

Oh, a biker gang, yea? So you think it's acceptable for 'biker gangs' to carry around and/or wear body armor?

LAter I asked a police man I know if they are infact illegal, he said yes but didn't know why.

Then that's the dumbest fucking cop I've ever heard of, in my life.

I'm going to go ahead and assume that most of your cops, there in Australia, have a little more common sense.

At 2/1/06 05:11 AM, Enoll wrote:

At 2/1/06 05:08 AM, Samuel_HALL wrote: You know what you should give her?
An ear.

Hey, it worked for picasso....

Goddamn right it did.

Picasso was such a pimp.

I always liked picking something extreme to write a persuasive essay about.
Like the illegalization of something socially acceptable, or the legalization of something that shouldn't be legalized.

I mean, be sure you can make actual points, and back your arguments up.

One good method is to pick something (worker's rights, or freedom of assembly, for example), and then argue 'efficiency over morality'. Make an argument with such hard-locked points that the only remaining criticism would be a moral one. Then, criticize your classmates for disagreeing with something purely because their morals disagreed; call it their 'personal opinion'.

Good fun for all.

You know what you should give her?

An ear. Or a digit from your own hand.

Chicks dig that shit. And if you man up and don't go the hospital, it will be completely free.

At 2/1/06 01:54 AM, LostTrainOfThought wrote: I hate smokers.

We don't like you very much, either.

Seriously.

Seriously?

The only reason people do those Truth commercials is because they're targeted at young teens (even below 18).

OMG! A company is targeting a future customer base?

Madness!!

:The smell is ridiculously appalling and it's got enough poison to kill a rat (or so I've read).
What the fuck?

You could probably feed a jar of mayonaise to a rat, too, and he'd die. Give a rat a good healthy injection of all those preservatives in all our food, and he'd probably die. Give a rat two tablets of acetametaphine, and it'd die quicker than you can whine about a legal drug.

At 2/1/06 02:37 AM, Guitardude91304 wrote: All these truth ads really are only doing one thing. Telling the Truth. Make sense? If you want to kill yourself with smoke go ahead. The commercials never tried to make you stop quiting, they just want to make sure you're informed on what your doing.

Pffft. I think we should run the same kind of 'truth' commercials about...say...black people.

Yea, totally. If you want to hang out with a black man, go ahead. That's your business....just know the truth about it. You should know that the majority of crime that's committed in this country...is committed by minorities. You should know blacks make up the majority of HIV/AIDS victims. Truth is...most people on government-paid programs...are minorities.

Go ahead and hang out with black people all you want...just know the truth about it.

How about...mayonaise?

You should know that almost everyone who has heart problems or weight problems...they, by all probability, eat mayonaise several times a week. Did you know mayonaise can clog arteries, cause fat to grow on your stomache, and cause heart attacks? And mayonaise companies know this! Yet, is it advertised on television? No! Mayonaise is ever advertised to children. Hundreds of mothers and fathers eat mayonaise, condone the consumption of unhealthy foods around their chlidren...and even feed their children that garbage!

You see? One can take almost anything, and do what the TRUTH commercials do.
We all know how fucking unhealthy cigaretes are. We all went to at least of k-12, and we all sat in the health-classes that condemned the unhealthy (and deadly) habit of smoking. Most of our parents told us not to smoke. I learned about the Big Tobacco trails in my tenth-grade 'Introductory to Business and Law' class.

Stop acting like smokers don't know what they're getting into. They do.

At 2/1/06 04:08 AM, fli wrote:

At 2/1/06 02:48 AM, Samuel_HALL wrote: Don't push your 'this is how all conservatives think' crap on me, Fli...you know I'm not that kind.

Since when did I even say anything about conservatives?

You mentioned 'those people against abortion'. So maybe you're not talking about conservatives.

Just as when I say 'those people against the war', I'm not talking about democrats.

Righteo.

Hell, if you don't see me saying I'm outright against all types of abortion you're ready to jump down my throat.

Incorrect. I support almost every form of abortion. I just happen to find partial-birth abortion moraly reprehensible.

Just because I said that this type of decision belongs between a doctor and the woman, you instantly lump me as an abortion proponent.

No, I lump you into a group of people that won't call partial-birth abortion wrong.

And I hit the nail on the head, too.

You don't drink Coke, right? Does that mean you're against all cola?

What now? Does Coca Cola do something so beneficial to people that my aversion against Coke is harming the world and thus I'm in the wrong?

You misunderstand.

You implied (maybe even outright said) that I was oppossed to abortion. I then said that I'm only against one kind of abortion...and followed up with a soda analogy.

You just misunderstood me.

(The next goal is to eat less per meal, and spreading them out during the day.)

Yea. They say that eating five smaller meals a day (instead of three big ones) is much healthier.

What the fuck were we talking about, again?

At 2/1/06 04:09 AM, EnragedSephiroth wrote: Oh, and some feedback would be greatly appreciated. I feel like I've tried everything to get through to her. But she's relentlessly locked up in her anime/yaoi-writing-obsessed world and letting a perfectly-good girl go to waste.

If you hadn't of just had the conversation you did, I'd recommend exactly that.

I've found the only way to get through to peope is be brutally honest...especially with friends and family. Friends and family will gladly let you enable them, in a lot of situations. I'm glad you said what you said, even if it didn't seem to have any immediate result.
It's the people that are closest to us that we listen to the most. Sometimes, though, it's the truth from those close-friends that hurts the most. All you can do is give her sound advice, and not contribute to her problem by enabling her.

I don't know. That's what worked for me. Maybe it won't work for everyone...but I think you did a good job attempting to get through to her, either way.

At 2/1/06 04:18 AM, fli wrote: Somebody sigify Damein's words... please.
His sweetest words needs to be preserved because they are little and far between.

Hey, now. I'm ultra-sweet, all the time.

Just not...you know...on newgrounds. Or around anybody else, for that matter.

You go to hell.

At 2/1/06 12:04 AM, fli wrote: My eyes red because I'm tired and the contacts.

Yea. 'Contacts'. Whatever you say.

But d-a-y-u-m-m...

You know...you're actually bangable. I didn't think you were, you know (bangable), in your profile pic. You've definitely improved for the better.

Did that sound really condescending? I meant that as a compliment, you know.

I just can't turn the condescending-tone off, sometimes. It get used so much.

I have to dig one giant cricket out of the bag of smaller crickets. Why the goddamn pet store gave me a goddamn large cricket for my goddamn toads is beyond me.
My toads will choke on a cricket that's almost as big as they are. And do you know how hard it is to dig a particular cricket out of a bag of sixty crickets?

Do they not train these Pet-Smart 'specialists'? Can just any Joe Schmuck that walks into the place get a 'specialist' badge? Can I have one? I know more about caring for pets than ten Pet-Smart employees combined.

I tried keeping crickets myself, once, you know. Crickets are terribly nasty things, in case you didn't know. I don't belive in using those gels, or powders...so I'd feed my crickets oranges (for the 'liquid' nourishment) and potatoes (for the 'solid' nourishment). Not only do crickets eat their own, and defacate on everything...they lay eggs in the oranges. Crickets also have this particular...smell...to them.

Nothing in the world smells like crickets, man. It's like...something that's been rotting, for a very long time.

In short: Fuck crickets, and the God that created them.

At 2/1/06 12:53 AM, sea_food wrote:

At 2/1/06 12:36 AM, Samuel_HALL wrote: The difference is, people like us don't give a fuck if some third-world worker thinks God sent Coke to him. You, however, do.

What in the holy hell are you talking about?

Oh, do you not know the details of Coke's exploitation, upon these people?

Do some reading, find out the whole story, and get back to me.

HAHAHAHA GET A LOAD OF THIS GUY! Of course you're not a hypocrite, you're just a mindless bad caricature of the typical fatfuck American.

Do I speak as if I'm mindless? Do I come across as uneducated?

It gets me, you know. These forums are filled with anti-government folk, who are often fifteen years old. They're against corporations, authority, rules, and law. On top of that, they speak (type, rather) as if they've brains of lesser-apes. Yet, do those people get called 'stereotypical mindless Americans'? 'Course not...because you agree with them.
I, however, support something you don't. Our opinions aren't the same, so I must be 'mindless'.

Kudos.

And people will still drink coke (more will drink it than boycott...don't expect any real profit-loss, over this boycott), and they'll still laugh at people like you.

A corporation doesn't need 100% of its regular customers boycotting its products to feel the effects. Hell our tiny boyvott as it is, is already costing Coca Cola 10 million a year and we're maybe 5-10% of its regular customers.

Good for you. I hope that feels good, while Coke continues it's exploitation. I hope that feels great, while all your collegues and peers gulp down the Cola.

and in a year they'll forget your name.

Haha, you talk as if we were in this for fame and fortune. This isn't American idol you stupid yuppie.

Yuppie?

It's not about fame and fortune. Every generation has people like you....and they're all against something. And yet, all those people grow up, and get a job, and marry, and they fucking conform. They get the fuck in line, and pay their taxes, like everyone else. The corporations go on; the authority goes on; the government goes on; The Man lives to see a new day.

Your hopes and goals, however, are forgotten.

That's why you're the fool, in this: I'm not trying to make a difference, you are.
I'm not trying to put Coke out of business, you are. You have something that you want done, about Coke...I don't.

So when nothing happens (and nothing will), I won't be in the wrong. You, however, don't have that bit of logic to smile upon.

At 2/1/06 01:16 AM, Imperator wrote: Einstein:
Hellen Keller:
Henry Brooks Adam
Leonardo da Vinci:
Pearl S. Buck:

Aww. Awwww.
I guess I'm just an evil man, who perpetuates and exponents the needless suffering of the innocent, and the weak.

You got me.

At 2/1/06 01:16 AM, red_skunk wrote:

At 2/1/06 12:19 AM, Samuel_HALL wrote:

Your inferiority complex is lashing out. I didn't imply anything. You were misrepresenting what I believe. I corrected you. Don't take it so hard.

*shrugs*

You're the one who asked if we knew the difference. If I mispercieved that as an insult, forgive me.
You must admit, though, that me taking something you said as an insult isn't the craziest fucking thing I've ever been mistaken about.

So if something is mentally wrong with a person, and that something leads to an unnatural act...it's still 'moral', to you?

Want to broaden that statement further, bucko? How about asking if it's moral if someone does something? There's an even better question. Go ahead and ask it.

Pfft. Fine.

If someone has 'identity issues' that lead to a sex-change operation, what do you think of the morality of the situation?

Just where do you draw the line, when it comes to mental disorders? Is anything that's unnatural immoral?

When did I say anything unnatural is immoral?

You didn't. That's why I asked 'Is anything that's unnatural immoral?'. I was stressing the 'anything' part. You didn't feel that the abnormality of getting a sex-change operation was natural, but you considered it moral. In response, I asked my question.

At 2/1/06 02:44 AM, fli wrote:

At 2/1/06 12:39 AM, Samuel_HALL wrote: Biologically, the person is still a male...even if they have breasts. As far as DNA goes, the person is still a male...inverted penis or no.

Oh wow... there you go again.
Saying something that I already said before and what is more... even arguing with me on that same point.

You edited out the part of my post that made you look foolish.

I said 'Men who have sex-change operations should not be treated like women, because they aren't women'. That's what my post meant. If you had read the rest of the post, you would have known that.

At 2/1/06 01:39 AM, fli wrote:

At 2/1/06 12:42 AM, Samuel_HALL wrote: It's funny, you know. The same people who claim to be against torture and human rights violations often support partial-birth-abortion.

Funny..
You like to take a dick in your ass while you're bound up like my birthday present--
and yet you have a problem letting in a transgendered person in your home.

One is a lifestyle...and the other is mutilation.

Do you support mutilation? I mean, it's your right to support that, if you'd like. I, however, do not support self-mutilation to the degree of dissecting one's genitalia, and turning yourself into another gender.

And it's quite obvious that a person having a problem with homosexuality (or bondage, for that matter) isn't the same kind of 'intolerant motherfucker' that a person having a proplem with surgically-sex-changed people is.

:Funny again,

you're concerned for the people inside of the womb, but you don't give a rat's ass about the ones outside.

I don't give a fuck about either, Fli. You know that, too.

I don't care about the comfort of Iraqis...but that doesn't mean I support torturing them, or watching them be oppressed. I don't care about sick individuals in America, yet I realize that people not being able to afford healthcare is a problem. I don't know, and personally care for, the starving children in Africa, yet I support programs that feed them.

I don't have to 'give a rat's ass about people' to recognize efficiency. I don't have to send a check to China to recognize the human-rights violations that go on there.

Partial-birth abortions are not efficient. Partial-birth abortion is, in my opinion, a human-rights violation.

The whole fucking world wants to talk about how mock-drowning is 'definitional torture'...but people like you see nothing wrong with partial-birth abortion. You'll bitch and moan about what an atrocity it is for inner-city kids to have old textbooks, yet you condone a process that rips (literally) ready-to-deliver babies from the womb one piece at a time.

We're not just talking about regular ol' abortion, here, Fli. We're not talking about a lump of cells, or an unformed fetus. How someone like you, who most of the time (despite my picking) demonstrates a strong and empathetic moral-core, can support partial-birth abortion is beyond me. It really is, man.

You want honesty? I thought better of you, than to support partial-birth abortion.

First off, I said that Intact dilation and extraction is up to the doctors and the women. Personally, I wouldn't have this done unless it's necessary. It's so easy for people to say, "Abortion is murder!" And then say, "There's always adoption." Yet people don't take the necessary action to actually curb abortion (including "partial birth abortion"). The result: kids who grow up in adoption agencies, or shuffled around foster home to foster home.

I support abortion. Strongly. I don't even know why you're presenting the above argument to me; you know very well that I'm pro-abortion.
I also strongly support American-adoption. I support the reforms to make that process more efficient, while still keeping the neccessary process of parent-examination.

Don't push your 'this is how all conservatives think' crap on me, Fli...you know I'm not that kind.

I've already planned to adopt when I'm literally out of the house with a job. How about you?

I don't want children. Can't stand the thought of children, especially the thought of my own. Not only am I not planning to adopt, my woman and myself aren't planning on having any the natural way.

You can't possibly be against abortion unless you take action.

I'm not against abortion. I'm against partial-birth abortion.

You don't drink Coke, right? Does that mean you're against all cola?

At 1/31/06 09:51 PM, fli wrote:

Oh, look. It's fli supporting partial-birth-abortion.

I'm not surprised at all.

It's funny, you know. The same people who claim to be against torture and human rights violations often support partial-birth-abortion.

At 2/1/06 12:28 AM, fli wrote: Meaning... the biological male who has done a ton of work to become as close to a female should be refered as "miss" or "mrs."

That's the most idiotic thing I've ever heard. The person's sex is still a male. You might be able to mutilate yourself to change your gender...but the sex doesn't change.
Biologically, the person is still a male...even if they have breasts. As far as DNA goes, the person is still a male...inverted penis or no.

At 1/31/06 07:16 PM, Imperator wrote: I wear New Balance.

Doesn't matter. Fact is, you own something that came from exploitation.

Do you eat fruit, or vegatables? If you do, there's a fair chance that an exploited illegal-alien picked those foods from the vine, for you.
You own anything, at all, made in China? How about from Taiwan?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"
~Edmund Burke

HAHAHA.

Your rhetoric makes me laugh.

At 1/31/06 07:27 PM, sea_food wrote: It's really easy to criticize people who may not be only 99% fair-trade or whatever, but what exactly have you done instead of trying to make activsts look like hypocrites?

The difference is, people like us don't give a fuck if some third-world worker thinks God sent Coke to him. You, however, do.

So when I buy what-the-fuck-ever, I'm not a hypocrite. If you buy the wrong thing, though...it makes you a hypocrite that no one will take seriously.

That's the difference.

Whatever, people are still boycotting those corporations who exploit workers.

And people will still drink coke (more will drink it than boycott...don't expect any real profit-loss, over this boycott), and they'll still laugh at people like you.
People have tried to boycott wal-mart, and nike, and everything else.

And guess what? The companies go on, and people forget about guys like you. They'll drink their coke, wear their sneakers, and in a year they'll forget your name.

Give it up, and enjoy and ice cold coca-cola. You won't beat them...might as well join in on the exploitation.

At 1/31/06 09:20 PM, red_skunk wrote:

At 1/31/06 08:43 PM, Bantooma wrote: for every coke you don't drink, I shall drink three.

And I'm sure your dentist will love you for it.

Hell yea he will. I'll be supporting my economy by paying for a product, and a service.

I'm the greatest American ever. No, seriously.

At 1/31/06 06:16 PM, AzureFenrir wrote:

Of course Sarai thinks she's free. She's been indoctrined to think exactly that. Her government wants her to believe she's just as happy as Americans. They want her to believe that her job does pay well; that she's not being oppressed.

I will say this then. Yes, the Chinese are not as free as the Americans. The Chinese cannot vote, can't organize themselves against the government, and...cannot vote.

Now, let's look at your arguments. You yourself have been indoctrinated by the American ideals in a way that you judge every single country out there by these very same ideals, criticizing government structures as "oppressive" simply because they do not match with your idea of "freedom and liberty."

No, I don't. My concept of 'basic human rights' does not include the word 'America'.

Sorry I couldn't fill your ignorant-ass stereotype. Try the next guy.

People can be happy under totalitarian-style governments.

Oh, sure. As I've said...when you're down and out, under the boot-heel of forces stronger than you...even the smallest pittance seems like 'happiness'.

At 1/31/06 06:23 PM, AzureFenrir wrote: I respect your opinion fully, although I myself believe that civil liberties are not entirely necessary.

Oh, sure. They aren't 'neccessary'. Fair trails in a court of law don't make the world go round. Freedom from being overworked, overtaxed, exploited, and snuffed-out doesn't produce oxygen, for us to breathe. The right to voice concern about our government doesn't make the sun shine.

Those things do, however, seperate civilized countries from their counterpart. Those things seperate oppression and freedom.

Anyone that says 'civil rights' aren't neccessary deserve to have their rights stripped away from them. Permanently. If freedom means so fucking little to you, you've no right or claim to it.

At 1/31/06 05:58 PM, red_skunk wrote:

At 1/31/06 05:56 PM, Samuel_HALL wrote: Not everyone thinks that sex has little connection to gender, as you do.

What? Define little. They are connected. But they're different. Otherwise, they'd be synonyms.

You implied that us lowly dogs were just way too stupid to distinguish between the two. I simply pointed out that some people place more of a connection between the two, than you do.

Anyway, I think we're speaking of both, on different levels. I know I'm trying to.

You're trying to talk out your ass is what you're trying to do. Different levels, eh?

lol. I'm sorry the word 'level' was too difficult for you, Red.
How about 'facet'? Is that too hard for you, as well?

I'm sorry you aren't able to discuss more than one sentance, at a time. Not everyone suffers from a one-track mind.

At 1/31/06 06:12 PM, red_skunk wrote:

At 1/31/06 05:57 PM, Samuel_HALL wrote: Why? Do you not think that it shows a mental imbalance in someone? Doesn't it seem unnatural (more unnatural than, say, smoking cigaretes or having recreational sex)?

It shows something wrong with the person, yes. And yes, sex change operations are unnatural.
You asked if it was immoral.

So if something is mentally wrong with a person, and that something leads to an unnatural act...it's still 'moral', to you?

Just where do you draw the line, when it comes to mental disorders? Is anything that's unnatural immoral?

At 1/31/06 05:59 PM, fenrus1989 wrote: Why does it seem that the only people that support china are the chinese or idiotic 8th graders.
Seriously your living in a society where it's impossible to do a google search for freedom, human rights, democracy for gods sake.
This has to tell you something.

Exactly. The chinese telling me their free is like the UN telling me they support armed intervention.

Of course Sarai thinks she's free. She's been indoctrined to think exactly that. Her government wants her to believe she's just as happy as Americans. They want her to believe that her job does pay well; that she's not being oppressed.

At 1/31/06 05:57 PM, Imperator wrote: And to everyone who mentioned Iraq, Saddam, Liberals, whatever off-topic bullshit you corrupted my beautiful thread with:
FUCK OFF!!!!

Queit, child...adults are talking.

If you aren't comfortable with the evolution of a conversation, mayhaps you're on the wrong forum.

To those who stuck with the issue at hand: Congratulations, you are of superior NG intelligence. Welcome to the club.

If such a club exists, you sure as hell aren't a member.