At 1/15/08 02:08 PM, Lebastic wrote:

At 1/15/08 01:22 PM, RSQViper wrote: And... you can TOP OFF. (I said that right there, hello?)

I repeat myself: And?

No. You cannot. Because you can always add 1. Th eonly way to top off is to reach the very highest rank and quite honestly, I don't see that happening in a very long, long time.

But it will happen...

Actually, they look at the ranking system and wonder what the heck that payment system is and what good its for. And then they want to know why it's so much work for something that adds to no more than brownie points. I know I did.

Payment system is NGDD cash, wow that was a real tough one. Don't you realize that all NG stats are basically just brownie points?

Simple, but absolutely restrictive in every aspect. Here you are saying you must do this AND/OR this to achieve one goal. Why? Why be so restrictive in any system? Example: Are reviews not as important as B/P? Or whislte level? Or anything else? Why would we not count everything individually to allow freedom?

Someone needs a lesson in formal logic.

No I don't. I already get exactly what you're saying. I also understand completely how the system currently works. You would be mistaken to take me, of all people, as a simpleton. And what I am saying is it's not the right way to do things.

when I say "and" between two things, means they should both be fulfilled, and when I say or, it means one of them should be fulfilled.

Right, but then you must choose a direction to go. With a different system you can just focus on what you like to do and still benefit and accelerate ranks without being held to an "and you need to do this" situation.

Their daily stats will help sure, but can't a guy get amazing results slack everyday and still be on the top of that list : YES HE CAN

This is extreme. I don't foresee people only busting ass for contests and not doing anything at other times. Yeah, it could happen here and there, but on a constant basis? I would highly doubt that.

Also, money is out the window. It was voted out of the NGDD so it's really a non-issue.

Was there any other choice?

Actually there was a choice. There was a choice to keep it. It was voted unanimously to remove it.

But now that I'm replying to you I got an idea, how about we create USE for the money instead of completely removing it? that way you can both brag with your rank and use your hard work's pay.
I, for one, think it's a much better idea.

We could do this, but there would need to be a use for it if there will be a pay structure. I wouldn't MIND having this as a stat, purely, but it needs to be worth something in some way. Like will it just be kudos? And who wants to do contests if that's all you get? Can it help you rank up? What will it do?

Now it's about making contests mean something using the XR system.

I think it's about setting things straight about the DD first...

Which included a new system that replaces money and rewards for contests and service. It all goes hand-in-hand.

I think people, for the most part, like the idea of the change because the old system is flawed.

TBH, now that I lookat it, it isn't, the club was perfect when I was participating in contests, how has it suddenly become flawed?

It was never perfect and I think that became obvious when it was brought up that change needed to happen and everyone agreed.

Contests are coming after the ranking redesign. Voted and decided. I don't know why you're being so negative about things, bu that's your prerogative, I guess.

I'm not being negative, I'm trying to be realistic, this just doesn't look like it's gonna work in the long run...

Maybe it will, maybe it won't. But it's not some horrible system or idea from the depths of Hell, either.

The system that is in place now has been there for quite some time and looking at the roster I can tell you this: We aren't growing.

Hence the changes and the proposal of a system that is different from the one in place now.

I wasn't the one who wanted to change things, but when it came to voting I heartily agreed and I actually did something about it by creating an idea for how to rank and reward.

Check my suggestion about payment, if you'll actually use your payment in a practical way, I think it's much better than adding to an unique stat that does everything...

Again, it would have to be practical, helpful in some way and actually worth something. Just using it as a separate stat does nothing. I would rather not end up making it into something that it already is: A useless stat no one uses that sits next to our rank.

At 1/15/08 09:34 AM, Lebastic wrote:

At 1/14/08 12:13 PM, RSQViper wrote: There is a difference. Right now the system we have in place caps you at 10 ranks in each dept (actually 9 unless you are the leader). You can top off at a point.

And?

And... you can TOP OFF. (I said that right there, hello?)

Using XR there will be no cap as you can always continue upwards and gain ranks using XR (the ranks aren't in place above, obviously, this was the XR system only but the furthest ranks would be set quite high. No one in the NGDD would be this rank yet.).

But you can still top off no?

No. You cannot. Because you can always add 1. Th eonly way to top off is to reach the very highest rank and quite honestly, I don't see that happening in a very long, long time.

When someone joins the club they would see the rules and the XR system. Looking at the XR system they would know this: "I gain XR by posting, reviewing, whistling, B/Ping, etc."

Don't they look at the ranking system and say "I gain ranks by posing, reviewing, whistling, B/Ping, etc." ?

Actually, they look at the ranking system and wonder what the heck that payment system is and what good its for. And then they want to know why it's so much work for something that adds to no more than brownie points. I know I did.

Look closely at what I'll do here:
"Nine ranks - 30,000 b/s, Deity whistle. Or 10,000 or more Flash reviews, silver whistle. Or Diety whistle AND level 48"
Now with 30 seconds of effort I corrected it so that all the possibilities are leveled out. If someone has one of the requirements he practically have the same experience in the portal as someone who has another. Simple no? didn't create a new system...

Simple, but absolutely restrictive in every aspect. Here you are saying you must do this AND/OR this to achieve one goal. Why? Why be so restrictive in any system? Example: Are reviews not as important as B/P? Or whislte level? Or anything else? WHy would we not count everything individually to allow freedom?

So you achieve one thing (Ex. Deity) and all that other stuff is useless. Your level is useless, reviews are useless. But, if someone has a Deity and 1,000 reviews they will outrank someone with just a Deity and 500 reviews in the new system (as they should).

If you do like above there will be a difference...

No, it's still the same. You have to gain one side of that either/or combo and the other stuff is pointless. I think we need to avoid doing that. The whole 1-10 ranks per department needs to be scrapped.

So, it isn't the same it's actually quite different and allows more freedom on how we use it as well as make everything in NG equally important.

And the ranking system doesn't?

No, it doesn't. People should be able to focus on whatever aspect of NG they like and not be held to off-balanced either/or situations and restrictions.

It also allows us to add in bonuses using contests and time-in the NGDD. The system we have in place now does none of this. It's a quagmire of a system and allows no growth.

Actually yours allows no growth, because people are gonna rely on contests to get points and rise through the ranks, while using payrolling in competitions will force people to do their duty without occasions because money does not affect rank.

No, they will rely on their daily stats AND contests.

Also, money is out the window. It was voted out of the NGDD so it's really a non-issue. Now it's about making contests mean something using the XR system.

Some people like the idea I set forward, some suggested changes that are good changes, but some people don't like it which is fine. But in any case if you don't like it, or even if you DO like it, come up with something else. Put another idea on the table, please. Right now we have the old system to choose from and the above XR system. That's not enough.

I won't come up with something new if I don't see the need for it, what I think we need is just IA members doing their job, like me, but I'm waiting for everyone to finish applauding these ideas that aren't helping much in the long run so I start doing comps and such...

I think people, for the most part, like the idea of the change because the old system is flawed.

Start getting creative and come up with something already. That goes for everyone.

If you all agree, we'll stop this redesign crap and make some contests...

Contests are coming after the ranking redesign. Voted and decided. I don't know why you're being so negative about things, bu that's your prerogative, I guess.

At 1/14/08 05:52 PM, AnalPenguinFarming wrote: No, this is what I don't like. You say "people like me" turn people away? No, I've busted my ass to make this a better place and I've thrown my ass on the line to get a member in at one point, so don't say "people like me" are the reason people won't want to join.

In all honesty mate, with the way you acted up on how he posted without being a member, I have to say, you were a somewhat asshole. Come on his post was intelligent, had a certain logic to it, I don't understand why he can't do that. A complete stranger trying to help, oh my god he should go hell for that shouldn't he?

Secondly, yea you gave your opinion and yea thats great and everything, but here's my problem and you SHOULD understand it before trying to make me look like the douche here.

Childish, but true answer: you started it

You posted your opinions without being admitted, when there are people being turned away all the time. You put yourself above those members. If you had thought about joining you should have done it.

He didn't do shit except trying to help, you should be grateful.

At 1/14/08 07:34 PM, ShortMonkey wrote: we don't need that NGDD money.

how would you reward a contest?

XR bonuses.

At 1/15/08 01:23 AM, Sterockicy wrote: Barracks roster - January 15, 2008

You are a god amongst men for your list-i-ness.

Looks like everyone had a slow week. I don't quite understand why really, I didn't notice the portal to be much slower than usual. Strange really. Anyway, two of our top gainers, repeat offenders have been knocked off the list which is good news.....for others. This week we have a Top 6 gainers list really, because of a draw for 5th.....which involves me :D

I actually was expecting this. The Christmas/New Years holiday allowed a lot of free time for a lot of people. Last week there was even someone who put up 1,000 (yes, one THOUSAND) reviews (yes, REVIEWS). Yes. ONE THOUSAND REVIEWS.

I know... crazy.

Hope you all have a good week and enjoy this weeks update.

Top 5 Gainers:

Idiot-Finder - 391

not me

aldlv - 386

not me

Shanus - 326

also not me

Seamonky - 267

Me. Oh, wait. Nope, not me.

Coop83 - 248

Certainly not me

Sterockicy - 248

*sigh*

Special Congratulatory list:
RSQViper for awesomeness

TY!!!

Top gainers, repeat offenders: Seamonky (4), aldlv (3)!

You are machines. You need a reset button.

New to the list: NEVR, lilhunter03!

Welcome to the club!

Returning to the list: None!

HA!

Top 3 biggest average rises: Sir-Nuts + 13.3, Sentio + 12.6, HeavenDuff + 3.0!

+3.0! (but PantyWipe was +17. Or do you not count those who had 0.00 the roster prior? Which would make sense.)

Random word: Paralysis!

Can't.... Move...

26 // 07132 // 119 // 17.0 // 17.0+ // PantyWipe
27 // 07121 // 164 // 23.4 // 19.6- // RSQViper
28 // 06558 // 000 // 00.0 // 00.0+ // PossiblePancakes

Not great, but not horrible. I gained a little ground and really didn't lose any. I had to work this week which is why my average fell to a more normal amount for me.

30 // 04757 // 247 // 35.3 // 21.1- // AnalPenguinFarming

Stay back! Back, I say! *poke*poke*

At 1/15/08 12:25 AM, Cole wrote: So, it appers that one Mister All-Powerful Joshiwa decided to send me a private message, posing as a giant douche. It's actually quite hilarious. I've decided to also post his picture, in which he impersonates a lonely fat man impersonating a twelve-year-old girl.

*sigh* I actually have 3 messages in my inbox I can't see until I get home. i wonder how many are from our buddy. Hopefully none.

Here's the PM:
I thought I should be nice and respectful and not post in the NGDD thread, so I would just say it here. You are the douche. You think you are so high-and-mighty with your shitty position. I wouldn't want to be in your club mainly because I wouldn't want to be under a 15 year-old kid. I don't care about Wylo. You can go ahead and think you're Johnny Badass because you're in a make believe position on a website. I think it's sad and funny at the same time.

I thought I'd go ahead and fix his horrid grammar and spelling.

LOL! Here's the picture I promised:

I have a really hard time believing that person is any older than the 15 year-old he's talking crap about after seeing that.
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Anyway, back to the ranking system. I'm willing to see if anyone wants a pure appointed system, but using ranks where nothing matters but that. The thing I don't like about that is then what good are contests and how can we make it so people can still pass others AND how can we make it so people still care about the department they are in? It would make it more simple, though, but at what cost to what we actually do here?

At 1/14/08 08:57 PM, lilhunter03 wrote: At 1/14/08 06:18 PM, aldlv wrote

guys...
I got 10,000 B/P points

Wow, man. Congrats.

today is a great day

Congrats on the achievement but how did you get that much b/p points so soon.

He's a B/P whore that's why! lmao.

Seriously, he is.

At 1/14/08 07:34 PM, ShortMonkey wrote: You guys have complicated the shit out of this club now.

Wow. No one has complicated shit. It's a damn PROPOSAL.

Why not just have it so the department leaders can decide on who gets promoted and we just have ranks for the department; the only NGDD overall rank can be the leader's position?

This was actually an idea I put forward earlier but no one said anything about it so I figured no one wanted it. I actually like the idea of doing it this way, but again no one seemed interested af ew days ago.

Give a lot of responsibility to the department leaders, not automatic crap. And we don't need that NGDD money. What I think:

- Only need ranks
- Department leaders can promote and demote
- Department can reject and accept people as long as someone with a higher position (like life) has approved of them joining the NGDD.

We don't want to complicate things - simplicity is greatness.

What use would contests be then in terms of the NGDD and ranks or rewards? We need to fit that in too.

At 1/14/08 08:20 PM, aldlv wrote:

At 1/14/08 07:47 PM, ShortMonkey wrote:

wow.. I can't believe that my vote is higher that yours...

He's only a Police Sergeant, that's why.

Your experience gave you a voting power of 5.50 votes. Your blam and protection points gave you an additional 32% of your experience power, meaning that your total vote power was worth 7.26 votes!

additional 12% not 32%. You catch up on that B/P rank which is why your vote is higher.

At 1/14/08 05:57 PM, Joshiwa wrote:

At 1/14/08 05:49 PM, RSQViper wrote: The NGDD is a ranked organization. I would think removing them would be a wrong move so from here it would be about finding a way to make ranks work and leave room to gain them for everyone.

Why not? It gets to complicated and thats why you are trying a new system but that system is even more complicated.

That isn't why we are trying a new system. The old system used this character that stood for an amount of money as a reward system. That is the system no one understood. That is the system we need a replacement for.

By removing ranks you remove any way to reward someone and by using the XR system you have a way to reward people. With XR and the ability to jump up ranks by 1.) Participating and giving you a reason to smartly gain XR by reviewing, B/Ping, etc; and 2.) Winning those contests and gaining even more XR for 1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on.

The XR system is actually not complicated at ALL. People are saying it is but it's as simple as "if I do stuff on NG, I get XR in the NGDD." It seriously doesn't get any easier than that. People are saying it's confusing because there are many facets of NG and all facets are used in that XR system. Honestly, there's nothing confusing about it. It's very simple. The only difficulty is balancing it out properly and that's what we're doing now. Using the XR system will be a cynch. Once it is finished and if it does o into place it's a system you can just plug in numbers and BAM. You have your Total XR.

Why dont you just make it as simple as possible. Department heads and then no other ranks below it.

Then we would be like every other Club on NG. The NGDD is different.

All about participating, experience and maturity.

Also something we already push for. Hell, if you don't participate in the NGDD and go AWOL, you get booted.

Internal affairs could be ranked if you want it so but since its so much smaller then it would be too complicated.

I think you're confused as to what the Internal Affairs Department is. They make contests. Soon to be monthly. They aren't the Department between all other departments and the Leader of the NGDD.

At 1/14/08 04:52 PM, Joshiwa wrote: Alright everyone how about this, why do you even need all this ranking stuff? Why dont you just have department heads and then the people under you, thats it, simple and easy. The way you move up is by participating, experience and maturity.

How do you move up if you are department head or nothing? This makes no sense at all. And if you want ranks under the department head, well, now you're right back int a ranking system aren't you?

The NGDD is a ranked organization. I would think removing them would be a wrong move so from here it would be about finding a way to make ranks work and leave room to gain them for everyone.

When one of the current department heads moves on or wants to demote him or herself then everyone decides who the new department head is.

This is already how it works...

Now for the internal affairs, I think the more experienced members should be in it, maybe even that it has to be former department heads, and new members in the department should be voted on according to experience.

More experienced members are the ones who go into IA as of now. It's a small Department and also one that requires knowing the NGDD somewhat.

There you guys go I just fixed the problem and I am not even in the NGDD.

No it doesn't seem that you did.

At 1/14/08 12:13 PM, NEVR wrote: Anyway, I'm pleased to be joining this club. :)

Welcome to the club, man! Nice to see a new face... erm... avatar.

At 1/14/08 11:44 AM, life wrote:

At 1/14/08 09:44 AM, Lebastic wrote: ummm guys?
Am I the only one that notices that the XR or whatever it is, is basically the same as the current ranking system...
Seriously you're putting all the effort in the wrong places...

This man speaks the truth.

There is a difference. Right now the system we have in place caps you at 10 ranks in each dept (actually 9 unless you are the leader). You can top off at a point. Using XR there will be no cap as you can always continue upwards and gain ranks using XR (the ranks aren't in place above, obviously, this was the XR system only but the furthest ranks would be set quite high. No one in the NGDD would be this rank yet.).

When someone joins the club they would see the rules and the XR system. Looking at the XR system they would know this: "I gain XR by posting, reviewing, whistling, B/Ping, etc."

Here's level 9 Portal in out current system. Tell me how much sense this makes ot a new person: "Nine ranks - 30,000 b/s, Deity whistle. Or 10,000 or more Flash reviews, silver whistle. Or Diety whistle. Or level 48."

So you achieve one thing (Ex. Deity) and all that other stuff is useless. Your level is useless, reviews are useless. But, if someone has a Deity and 1,000 reviews they will outrank someone with just a Deity and 500 reviews in the new system (as they should).

So, it isn't the same it's actually quite different and allows more freedom on how we use it as well as make everything in NG equally important. It also allows us to add in bonuses using contests and time-in the NGDD. The system we have in place now does none of this. It's a quagmire of a system and allows no growth.

Some people like the idea I set forward, some suggested changes that are good changes, but some people don't like it which is fine. But in any case if you don't like it, or even if you DO like it, come up with something else. Put another idea on the table, please. Right now we have the old system to choose from and the above XR system. That's not enough.

Start getting creative and come up with something already. That goes for everyone.

At 1/13/08 09:43 PM, AnalPenguinFarming wrote: Here's my newest suggestion.

With higher ranking in the NGDD comes higher responsibility. Instead of Hybrid doing all of this work as listkeeper, the Department heads should keep the stats for their members in their department. At the end of every month the Department heads are to hand in their update on their members and their XR status.

I think defaulting it to that could be good, but at the same time the people who do the list volunteered to do it. So, maybe see if they want to do it still? I don't know. Could work though, but I would hate to lose our scheduled updates because of it.

At 1/13/08 09:53 PM, TheThing wrote:

At 1/13/08 08:56 PM, RSQViper wrote: What stats though? We need more detail to know what people are talking about here.

Well, it's hard to tell as of now, since I don't know everyone's total points, but personally I feel that running a contest should have a few different XR gains to it; some one running a contest where you get X points for X lines in a post/review is harder to do than some one running a B/P contest.

Well, that would be based on who's running the contest, really. Not this XR system. I would htink contest rules will be different contest to contest. But I do agree that scoring would be cool to have like that. Like, rate each review on a 1 - 5 scale in some review contests or something?

Also, the review XR should be changed; I see a lot of people with more posts than reviews. I personally only have 124 reviews to 4,600 posts. I know that example is pretty extreme, but there are other users who have similar ratios. But that's not to say make it 1:1; maybe 1:5 ratio of XR to reviews would be good.

Yeah, 124 to 4600 is extreme. lol. From the small list I have you are pretty much the most off balanced from post to review ratio (although Cole is a MAJOR review slacker as well!).

But, I plugged in 5XR into my testing list. It didn't screw up anything and everyone went up a little bit. The only worry I would have is it's in Portal Dept along with Whistles and B/P and maybe that's a lot of points in one Dept?

But it does seem to work at 1:5 so let's keep it there unless we see something really screwy down the road.

What about experienced members joining the NGDD? It's not fair for a level 30 with 6,000 posts, 10,000 B/P, and 5 Flash Awards to prance in here and automatically pass (once past the probation period) another user who has been working hard in the club for the past 3 months.

This is basically the flaw of any system we will put in place.

True, but there can be a safe guard to prevent that from happening.

How about this; we use these stats to find out where we rank in the department, but then we count everything from the day you joined this new system? I can see flaws; a noob may start to post (or whatever the department calls for) more than a higher ranking officer, and he would move through the ranks quickly, maybe even leading a department within a month.

I do think we need to go back and find out what everyone HAS done as much as possible. Get months in, contests won, contest run, etc.

Yes, definitely that needs to be accomplished and some people need to do that once the XR system is ready and people are being plugged in.

Or what about the above idea, but using total time in the NGDD as a factor?

I think we need to do both. Time in NGDD as well as backlogging things.

Also, let's look at that XR number. Do we want it higher so it counts more? Maybe 20XR? Even MORE like 30XR or 50XR?

Well, if we went with my above plan to prevent new members from becoming a Department Leader, then yes. But if not, then keep it at 10.

I do think it should be more looking at it. 25XR may work best. New people SHOULD be able to catch up somehow. It's part of the reason we are redoing everything. Everyone was almost in a stalemate.

Also, keep in mind that just because you may have the most points in your dept, you are not Dept Leader. That is appointed.

But what I do want is like a yearly bonus; every full year you stay in the NGDD, you get a +5XR bonus to the 10XR monthly bonus. So if I was in the NGDD for 1 year, on my 13th memberlist update I would get a 15XR bonus instead of 10XR.

Instead of that I think a special 100XR bonus would work better. The monthly XR should be the same, but yearly XR bonuses will set you apart. This will help list keepers out a lot.

At 1/13/08 08:40 PM, TheThing wrote: Love the new XR system, although like most people the actual XR gained from some stats needs to be altered. But we can always do that later, after seeing how the current amounts work out. Oh! Something I just thought of:

What stats though? We need more detail to know what people are talking about here.

What about experienced members joining the NGDD? It's not fair for a level 30 with 6,000 posts, 10,000 B/P, and 5 Flash Awards to prance in here and automatically pass (once past the probation period) another user who has been working hard in the club for the past 3 months.

This is basically the flaw of any system we will put in place.

I actually forgot to add a monthly XR gained. It should be something that goes into each person's personal department.

So, here's an update to the XR system proposal:

Monthly XR ---- 10XR per month in the NGDD

If someone gets out of the NGDD, returning may result in that stat being reset.

Also, let's look at that XR number. Do we want it higher so it counts more? Maybe 20XR? Even MORE like 30XR or 50XR?

How much do we want it to count? Remember, it's monthly so each year you will automatically get this 12 times.

Also, to explain how I did some XR I took into the fact of how long some things take to actually do. Like it takes no time to B/P which is why people have so many B/P points. That's why it's 50:1. Posts take some time, but doesn't take a WHOLE lot. That's why 10:1. For the Flash, Flash takes time. Certainly for higher scoring Flash which is (generally) higher quality which is why that's on a sliding scale from 7XR to 40XR. A Flash that gets a 3.80 or higher can easily take weeks or months to make. Audio takes less time to make than Flash and also scores higher on average.

From there I had to make the IA able to compete and I hope that I did. As of now no one has points in that, but that's because people need to do research to see who's done what and award it to them.

Also, of course, things can be adjusted. But, I think making things like posting 5 posts to 1XR or 20 posts to 1XR will off balance the system.

At 1/13/08 06:12 PM, Hybrid-Of-Souls wrote: Off my 3-day ban now, so mow I can have a say in something here...
The new EXP system looks good, but as for the posts part, we may need to tweak that, since we don't want any post whores running around this place. We may have to tighten up a few things if possible, otherwise it's not going to turn out perfect.

Yeah, I do understand that sentiment. But, I would hope that NGDD members would not stoop to that level just to advance in XR. I mean I could even go ad spam the portal with sub par Flash and gain tons of XR, but I would also expect that we will all police ourselves. Every department has a leader for a reason and I would hope that these leaders will ensure people aren't taking advantage and being SPAMmy.

Also, keep in mind that when someone's in the NGDD the whole BBS policy of smart, quality posts isn't something that only applies to THIS thread. This is something that we have to take with us thru the WHOLE BBS here at NG. That's why there's an NGDD from what I understand. To display good service to NG in all aspects.

I was also trying to figure out a different way to count XR other than post count, but then it would be way too tough to count XR. Like by only counting quality posts, you know? That's a lot to ask of someone tending the lists. Unless someone with, for example, 5 thousand posts is found to have 1 thousand spam posts. Maybe they have a perma-hit of 1000 posts so those spams don't count.

Anyway, my thoughts on no matter how we DO do this it will always come down to the leaders of this club policing their junior personnel.

But if you do have a good idea about any of this, please share.

As for the other two I was working on, I've scrapped them. One is more defined than the one I posted today (it's like the 1st one I posted except more) and the other one is too much like the restrictive one we already have in place and would not allow us to grow in XR and always keep us able to achieve more.

~RSQ OUT~

At 1/13/08 02:55 PM, iLott wrote: May I join? ( i know there is some way to join this crew or whatever it is, so i just ask ) What I have to do to join this DoD?

Well, first you ask to join by selecting a department.

The departments are as follows:

BBS: In charge of posting quality posts thruout the BBS

Portal: In charge of the NG Portal by B/Ping Under Judgment movies, Reviewing Movies as well as flagging stolen/inappropriate movies and flagging abusive reviews.

Flash: This department are the Flash Artists of the NGDD.

Audio: The Audio Artists reside here.

Internal Affairs: These folks are in charge of running NGDD contests and recruiting.

Looking at your profile it would seem you would best fit into the Flash Department, but you can choose any department if it interests you.

At 1/13/08 02:18 PM, NintendoMadness wrote: I'm still not entirley comfortable with the whistle XR system yet. Mostly because I found it took longer to get from Silver to Gold....... but it could just be me.

It does take longer to get from Silver to Gold. That's why you get 10XR more for Gold than Silver versus the 5 XR more for Silver than Bronze. Silver is a cinch to achieve, Gold and Deity are more difficult. That's why it's like a sliding scale up the whistle levels.

Flash XR
Weekly Award 1st - 5th ---- 20XR
Review Crew Pick ---- 25XR

People can get Reveiw Crew Pick by mass voting, it happens. Also Weekly Award is much, much, much more harder to get than RCP award.

If someone in the NGDD gets RCP by Mass Voting then there is an issue with that person and their life in the NGDD will be short lived. You are basing the achievement of RCP off of how NG spam groups get it, but this is the NGDD and we don't mass vote or mass review anything. Also, a weekly award is easier than RCP. There is but one RCP awarded a week versus five Weekly Awards and that's why the RCP is 5XR more in this system.

Ok, folks I have a pretty solid proposal for the NGDD XR System. The following is only XR, ok, not levels and names. This is a more simplified version of what I posted before and the system evolves around the dual ranking system. One rank that includes all XR and one rank that includes only your departmental XR.

There are two XRs that don't fit into any department and will only count towards your NGDD XR. They are your level and contest results (when you win a contest you are rewarded XR). Another idea for contest results, tough would be to put it into your department XR no matter what department you are in.

In any case, here it is:

NGDD XR
Contest ---- XR will change contest to contest and will be based on what place you come in.
Level -------- 2XR per level (level 12 will be 24 XR)

BBS XR
BBS Posts---- 1XR per 10 posts

Portal XR
Reviews ---- 1XR per 10 reviews
B/P ----1XR per 50 B/P
Garbage Whistle ---- (-20)XR [Yes, negative XR]
Normal Whistle ---- 0XR
Bronze Whistle ---- 5XR
Silver Whistle ---- 10XR
Gold Whistle ---- 20XR
Deity ---- 40XR

Internal Affairs
Running a Contest ---- 30XR
Assisting a Contest ---- 20XR
Creating a List ---- 15XR
Recruiting a Member ---- 10XR (They MUST be accepted & pass probation)

Flash XR
Flash Scoring 1.80 - 2.99 ---- 7XR (anything less is 0XR)
Flash Scoring 3.00 - 3.79 ---- 22XR
Flash Scoring 3.80 - 5.00 ---- 40XR
Daily Award 1st - 5th ---- 10XR
Weekly Award 1st - 5th ---- 20XR
Underdog of the Week ---- 5XR
Review Crew Pick ---- 25XR

Audio XR
Audio Scoring 1.80 - 2.99 ---- 5XR
Audio Scoring 3.00 - 3.99 ---- 10XR
Audio Scoring 4.00 - 5.00 ---- 20XR

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Now, using the above XR System I did a few people here in the NGDD to see how things balance out. Also note: No one has IA XR in the below setup except Hybrid-of-Souls who I put down for doing the list 10 times. Obviously, these would be adjusted to be correct if this was used.

Name/NGDD XR/Dept XR
AnalPenguinFarming/287/0 (IA)
Cole/338/0 (IA)
ShortMonkey/952/200 (Flash)
RSQViper/1042/588 (Flash)
Phantom/2142/1223 (Portal)
Odyssic/898/270 (Portal)
aldlv/416/296 (Portal)
TheThing/608/463 (BBS)
Hybrid-of-Souls/579/224 (BBS)

Ok, so that is what I've got for this one. Input please. =)

STOLEN
ORIGINAL(May also be stolen... but it was here first!)

At 1/12/08 06:57 PM, Sir-Nuts wrote: Well, well, look who's back... ME!

Welcome back, man.

-- Is Phantom dead or not?

No, but he's in some ward we think and he'll be gone for a while.

I did notice today that Phantom has deposited twice since he's been gone.

-- Was Yoshi77777777777...7 accepted or not in the Barracks?

No he wasn't. I did some research, posted it and the final word was "no" from EagleRock.

-- What the hell was the "Portal glitch", where Adam Phillips won Turd Of The Week or similar?

Somehow people used a combination of Firefox and Firebug to add people to their Flash without their consent. People added Phillips, Krinkles and a few others.

It has been cleared up since, though.

At 1/11/08 11:50 PM, Gu-rrilla wrote: Well, first week of school is over with.

Pretty slow moving.

Those 2 words are synonymous with school.

Tried getting some more reviews, no good submissions.

Review older submissions in series or even submissions of people here in the NGDD.

So today, people of the NGDD, I ask you:

Is it possible to be in the Portal Dept. and the BBS Dept. at the same time?

This isn't possible, no. But that doesn't mean you can't still DO both. We also have yet to come up with the new system we are going to use for ranking so who knows how things will work? Not me, that's for sure.

Ok, little update on the work I'm doing on the XR system. So far I have at least 3 different ways to do it in outline form.

At 1/11/08 07:55 PM, Dead-Body-Man wrote: You have now been added to the intelligent list. Yes, you are a smart one aren't you. Anyways I'm going to update my intelligent list.

I just saw your intelligent list. Interesting list. What basis do you put names on there as I see quite a few?

Also, just started hacking away at better detailed proposal for the XR system. It'll be a while (not today).

STOLEN
ORIGINAL

I just got 1,500 BBS Posts.

At 1/11/08 10:47 AM, Cyberdevil wrote: Would probably look much neater with the score text removed and the digit in normal text, arial, size 48 or something, in orange. The avatars are a cool addition too, but the graphical intensity seems a bit unnescecary.

I agree with this statement. It is definitely unnecessary. It looks like Street Fighter 2 took over our scoring readout.

I think having a background like our orange buttons around here and then a black numner 0-10 woudl look great, stand out and at least match everything else on the site.

At 1/10/08 08:05 PM, SockMyDink wrote: Link

It actually looks pretty awesome. That being said, the last one was horrible.

I can't wait.

That looks absolutely sick.

I can't wait to use Yoda. he better fight just like in SW 2 and SW 3.

At 1/11/08 08:56 AM, The-Red-Jack wrote: All reviews that says that its stolen
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/9 2152

Wow, it's hard to tell if your vote goes thru right now isn't it?

Kinda' sucks, plus you have to refresh the browser.

Hope it's fixed soon nd updated right away like before.

This sounds like an even more retarded form of Scientology.

Which is also fake.

I think it's pretty obvious that this entire thread is a farce since we all know that no one here on NG has ever had sex with anyone other than themselves.

But we can all dream, right?

At 1/11/08 08:07 AM, Little-Rena wrote:

At 1/11/08 08:06 AM, RSQViper wrote: Making it a mini meter would be cool with a sleak-looking score icon.

That might actually look going going from Red as 0 to Green as 10? Something like that maybe, lol. A meter would look nice though.

Yeah, I figure if they're using up so much space already, might as well put something cool-as-hell in that spot, right?

At 1/11/08 08:06 AM, RSQViper wrote: With everything on the site update being so sleek and stylish it sticks out like a sore thumb. In a bad way.

Making it a mini meter would be cool with a sleak-looking score icon.

My favorite part about my above post is when I spelled sleek 2 different ways. ^_^

At 1/11/08 01:52 AM, Ross wrote: Yep, I just now updated this stuff. You may see some weirdness at first, until your browser cache updates. I love the new review layout - the user icons with each review, and the big pixel-y scores (they blended in before).

Well, I must say that for the most part it looksgood.

Bu that big, blocky score icon is really gaudy.

With everything on the site update being so sleek and stylish it sticks out like a sore thumb. In a bad way.

Making it a mini meter would be cool with a sleak-looking score icon.

At 1/11/08 03:41 AM, SlashFirestorm wrote: Yeah, the number is too freakin' huge. I'm sure they could have a sexier graphic than that, like a score meter type thing or whatnot.

I agree. It's very not-sexy right now with that gaudy number there. So many things with the new system are sleek and styling, but then they stick that thing up there and make it look like it's something from 1996 on the internet. A Meter would be cool.

At 1/11/08 04:01 AM, Sterockicy wrote: Anyone here from Phantom lately?

I haven't heard a thing since the PM he sent me and no one else has mentioned anything. He'll be away for quite some time, I would imagine.