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War isn't in our DNA, but the instinct of self-defense and self preservation, the desire to protect the possesions and people that one cares for; those are all ingrained in our species and these feelings can sometimes but not always, lead to war.

At 9/18/08 06:39 PM, WARTORIOUS wrote: Ohh lets not get all "This hunk of flesh in me is a magical...." Just not. There are too many people on the planet and just adding more is helping destroy the future for mankind.

Many so called "worthless rightless" animals have infinitely more intelligence than a hunk of baby flesh. USA is a most paradoxical land, Most Americans are women because so many men are sent to slaugther through wars, the death penalty and poor education that leads to an unhealthy life, i.e, being grossly fat. Its a joke to concentrate on such a tiny matter as trying to force women to have more kids when there are stupid wars, the people who are alive can be homeless and on the streets and nobody gives a damn but if some poor woman gets pregnant then she must give birth to the baby right? even if the mother can't provide for it right?

First off if there is such a dramatic population problem why don't we all just stop having children (sarcasm)......Also as far as intelligent animals vs. babies goes what about people with mental diseases, the elderly etc. that are considered useless burdens to society? should we kill them all too? Most Americans are women, well take a look at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cou ntries_by_sex_ratio for the United states alone the total male/female ratio is 0.97. That really isn't such a dramatic difference. Poor education leaving to an unhealty life? Well farmers of the past were pretty damn stupid and a lot of them weren't grotesquely fat. It has nothing to do with forcing women to have children its more of a Basic human ethics question; should a fetus/embryo etc. have the same right to life as a newborn baby.

If it is Entirely up to God to determine when a person dies and goes to heaven, why are doctors viewed any better than murderers by Catholics? Both a doctor and a murderer seem to go against this beleif that it is God who determines when we go to heaven. Both a murderer and a doctor alter the natural lifespan of a human. Somewhat of a Paradox if you ask me.

At 9/11/08 11:07 PM, Nitroglys wrote: Aborition is the right of a woman. No one can tell her what to do with her own body or whatever is in it until that thing comes out. If you dont feel capable of bringing anonther human being into this world then you shouldn't. We are having a population, poverty, and hunger crisis as is. And if it is murder that is that woman and the father's own problem. they will have to appear before god with their sins layed out before them. Who are we to try and prevent them from damnation.

while i disagree that the fetus is entirely a part of the women's body (it's a unique life BUT depedent on the mother) your last sentence has a very interesting question...Who ARE we to try and prevent them from damnation?

yeah thats a fun question when does life begin, Because it effects the view of when life ends.

Fair enough, both of our opinions rely heavily on the gray area of what a human "is".

At 9/9/08 07:09 PM, Saruman200 wrote:

At 9/8/08 08:58 PM, Rockthebestmusic wrote:

At 9/8/08 07:07 PM, Saruman200 wrote:

First off, the fetus stage is between the 11th and 40th weeks of pregnancy. A lot happens over that time, so could you first specify how long before childbirth you mean. The fetus is only fully ready for life oustide the uterus at about the 35th week. Birth usually happens around the 38th-40th week. During the 11th, at the beginning of fetal development, lungs are not fully developed, but breathing motion is present (for the purpose of lung development). Brain, heart, hands, feet, and other organs arn't developed either, though they are there. The fetus can't feel any pain at this point. I won't be able to feel pain until the third trimester. Toenails, hair, etc., develop during the fetal stage.
This is an excellent page that shows everything that happens in each week. The thing is, what do we consider "humanity". I would think that humanity is when a creature has conscience, self-awareness, communicative skills, and critical thinking. None of this appears until the third trimester, hence why personally, I only believe in abortions during the second and first trimesters. However, I object to any kind of abortion law due to the dispute. Some people don't hold the same views on when a fetus is "human" as I do, so I don't believe there should be any law against aboriton, even in the third trimester. That's pretty much just forcing my viewpoint on others, and I don't agree with that, hence why I'm "pro-choice".

Thanks that was quite informative but your definition of humanity is somewhat flawed. What about people who are born with or develop diseases which impair their communicative skills and the like? Are they no longer human? And by the way i appreciate that you didn't fly off into an emotional rant like people commonly do on these subjects.

At 9/9/08 02:29 AM, CaiWengi wrote:

At 9/8/08 08:58 PM, Rockthebestmusic wrote:

And maybe you think as soon as the sperm and egg touches, then technically its still a human just a very early one, but then is it so wrong to kill 2 cells? Whether they are technically human or not they cant feel or think.

Its not that you are killing the two cells, you can kill far more by simply scratching yourself, what's important is that those two cells are an individual organism that has the human genetic structure therefore you are killing a human, albeit an early one. Assuming of course that you consider an organism with a human genetic structure to be human.

You cannot disprove something with logic that you can't prove with logic....

All i can say is ow....i feel like someone twisted my neck 360 degrees. Maybe i head bang too hard i don't know but i usually do full circle, 8's, and thrash. Of course when i do it my lips curl up on my face like in a nasa training facility lol....ow

At 9/8/08 07:07 PM, Saruman200 wrote:

WELL babies and FETUSES are very different biologically. IF you had SPENT the TIME reading up ON the SUBJECT instead of wasting TIME deciding WHAT words to capitalize AND what WORDS not to, you might not have COME off as so IGNORANT. This isn't ALL about AMERICA, there ARE other COUNTRIES too. FETUSES and BABIES are COMPLETELY different. ANYONE over 13 knows THAT. When YOUR old enough to TAKE SEX ED, you MIGHT UNDERSTAND. YOU clearly don't KNOW ANYTHING about science, so WHY bother pretending YOU know what your TALKING about?

Is a fetus genetically different before birth than after birth? And what are the exact biological differences before and after childbirth? i Know enough basic facts but nothing to validate any VAST difference that would make the fetus any less human (Of course what truly defines a human from something that is not human?). Please provide a link if possible.

At 9/6/08 01:27 AM, T-N-T wrote:

At 9/6/08 12:26 AM, are2d2 wrote: that's the democrats for you. they are always depressed, deprived, and over the top.

Not always.

I recall presidents like Teddy that has done excellent work dealing with WW2, and the fact that he was in office for 4 terms is quite impressive(considering that no one could do that anymore).

So yes I am voting for McCain, but not because the fact that he is a republican.

Teddy....you mean FDR right? They both have the same last name and are easily confused.

At 9/7/08 07:46 PM, gumOnShoe wrote:

At 9/7/08 04:16 PM, Earfetish wrote: Pro-abortion people, out of curiosity:

if I kick a pregnant woman in the stomach, and she miscarriages, what should I be charged with?

Its not pro-abortion, its pro-choice, that the woman should have right to control her own body. The way I feel about it, you should be charged with assault and possibly fetuscide since your actions were malicious. A woman is rarely thinking, omg I'm going to kill this baby, there are usually other reasons, whereas yours are what exactly, "That woman's too pregnant" *bam* ?

uhm how about: "That woman wants to have a baby but the husband doesn't, so he hires other people to kick her in the stomach or kicks her himself" or "That guys been bad talking me i'm going to teach him a lesson and kick his wife in the stomach" there are more but these are some of the more common.

you could spend a lifetime trying to figure this stuff out but the fact is that you will never no if anything is true 100% under any circumstances. Which in and of itself is a paradox lol.

its not a question of are we "here", but really what is the "here" we are speaking of. If you aren't "here" than you aren't at all and if you aren't at all than you wouldn't be able to ask.

Well i was at the hospital the other day and began to wonder: If It is wrong for us to kill because it is not up to us to determine when people die, why do doctors often get to extend human life, in effect "postponing" death to a later date.

Just a thought, your opinions?

ZOMG3 you only started this thread because in Your other thread you were brutally anhilated with logic and facts. I sincerely think that you are either just kidding around or their is something terminally wrong with you.

Good genre definers for punk are the ramones and bad religion, there are more but those two bands just happen to be the ones i am listening to right now :P.

Wow i am amazed at the effort cellar put into that post. You took the legs out from underneath zomg3 lol!

At 6/24/08 03:08 AM, Sajberhippien wrote: Well, that's kind of a different case. It's not okay to show a womans genitalia, so it's a non-issue. It's still more accepted to show a man's breast than a woman's.

well said.

At 6/24/08 12:38 PM, paintballr wrote: girls just want to have fun! dum dum dumm!!

DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMMB!!!!!!
South park anyone? the mormon episode?

Catholics are considerably different from most other Christian denominations. Also catholics do not beleive that the Church itself has the power to heal sins, Catholics beleive that in confession God acts through a priest to heal your sins.

What defines a human? 2 legs? 2 eyes? 2 arms? 10 fingers? 10 toes? Well what if someone is born without a toe are they not still human? What if someone loses an arm in a construction accident, surely they are still human?

This idea came to me when i was discussing abortions with some people i knew.
Here is a question that i ask to you; What defines a human?

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At 6/23/08 10:46 PM, americanidiot2f wrote: With your cursor, go over the link and to the bottem left hand corner of your browser is should show its real link.

YES YEAH BUT Wait...what if the site that i am going to DOESN'T describe what i will be looking at???? THEN WHAT>.......Gah i want to open it but i don't want to open it......xo

The LINK I WANT to press it but i don't know where it goes! the guy said to click on it and i want to click it but but but WHAT IF IT'S A VIRUS or something like 2 girls 1 cup? ARRRAGGGH!!!!! To click or Not to click? I gotta click it i want to click it....but but but...

oh i see i didn't make myself clear sorry. When i said to what extent i meant more along the lines of how communist would you go? Its hard to describe, like maybe along the lines of Absolutely no private property, or a select few deciding what is best without opposition? I apologize for not being more clear.

Yes all governemnts have problems but the fact is communism experiences the MOST problems because of how vulnerable it is to the effects corruption. I have a question for you Killer whale; to what extent do you wish to follow communism?

At 6/23/08 09:03 PM, killerwhale321 wrote:

At 6/23/08 08:51 PM, Rockthebestmusic wrote: ever read animal farm? Its sad as communism does have sound principles but it rarely works out because of the effect that corruption has on it.

ya i know. its sad but i does work. you just need the right people organizing it.

But that's the problem with communism its nearly impossible to get the right people together in order for it to work.

ever read animal farm? Its sad as communism does have sound principles but it rarely works out because of the effect that corruption has on it.