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Throughout the public schools in my city (...and most likely the nation), students aren't turning a blind eye to their surroundings. It is just that the vast bulk of these kids are rather naive, as they have to be told what to believe and told follow without scrutiny. Without guidance and coersion, they have no political identity. It seems that the schools are filled with mindless drones spouting generic nonsense that are keen on hopping bandwagons.

There are plenty who break this mold, but not enough.

Thanks for clearing everything up.

Everything you have stated is true, but sadly public schools will continue to cater to the students as prospective workers and laborers, instead of human beings.

At 7/24/04 01:53 PM, uncle_skunk wrote: What do you mean "marxist socialism"? What does that entail?

My understanding of "true-ish" (notice the quotes) socialism, is a society where the companies are collectivelly owned, by the workers. This would usually entail something like a co-op. True?

I think I was being too vague and in some cases using incorrect termonology. By "marxist socialism" I meant the socialism that wished to do away with capitalism, even though groups that are anti-capitalist don't neccesarily have to follow the marxist train of thought. I tried to make this distinction as social democrats only wish to make reform within a capitalist market economy. Even though the term earlier had a significantly different meaning. Next time I'll try not to make my comments more coherent.

At 7/24/04 01:47 PM, ohp-kyle wrote: School prepares you for life by surrounding you by a bunch of people you don't necessarily like, punishing you for not doing as you're told, and rewarding you for conforming.

I might be exaggerating with that conforming part, but school definitely prepares you to be a slave to the werk glocken.

All true.

At 7/23/04 03:29 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 7/23/04 10:07 AM, Reform wrote: At school, your sole purpose is to learn, you can spill your heart out outside of school.

WRONG.

School teaches you USELESS shit about Physics and stuff.

Since when is Physics useless?

The REAL reason for school is to train you for work. In school, you face conflict, and you grow up and face difficult decisions.

I think it is rather obvious that schools are made to prepare their students to enter the workforce and become productive members (Atleast to some extent).

The LAST thing school needs to do is teach you anything.

Reiterate this questions please, you've somewhat lost me.

School should weed out the clever, and hard working from the lazy, and then allow the bright and hard-working to ascend the ladder of success, while the lazy just... well... dont.

You state this as if some are inherently more intelligent, clever, and indoctrinated with work ethos than others and that their state of mind will remain so.

Learning is a by-produyct of school.

What is everyone occupying themselves with during school hours then? Once again your statement has left me confused.

It's main purposes are to tech you about life, and the struggles by which you will face in work, and to sort out the hard-working from the not-hard-working.

... but then we are are learning something.

It should ALSO allow you to become your own person, and formulate your own views.

How do schools deny us of this? It seems that the both of us have formulated our own views.

At 7/24/04 05:06 AM, TurkM1938 wrote: Look to Western Europe.

In Western Europe Social Democracy is thriving. The social democrats tend to adhere to a reformist ideology that is much more tame than revolutionary marxian thought. Social democrats wish to rework capitalism rather than completely abolish it, such through the nationalization of services and collectivism.

There does seem to be a much stronger presence of the more radical socialist factions than in America.

At 7/23/04 08:05 AM, exide_edge wrote: With this kind of behavior free speech is in danger because future generations will be taught not to voice there opinion...just how the feds like it.

At school, your sole purpose is to learn, you can spill your heart out outside of school.

If this is concerning the public school system, you are pretty much in a spell. The role of the public schools is to educate, not breed animosity among the faculty and student body based on differing political views. A school doesn't have to tolerate a student displaying a politically charged shirt or enchanting peers with something of the like. If a schools belives a student is obstructing their ability to teach, well you are out of luck. Remember, you have no rights in school, well atleast public school.

Oh and if whatever is bothering pertains to a private school, I have no counsel as that is a whole other field.

At 7/4/04 08:58 PM, red_skunk wrote: Yep, another bitch thread. Haven't had one in... Oh, acouple days.

You're welcome.

Whenever I enter a politically charged debate, opposing sides always go out of their way to discredit rather than establish why their ideology, theories, and/or stances are better, lacking a better term. Yes it seems like the quicker route to victory, but never allows the audience and participating members to gain a better understanding of the issue at hand, and nothing much seems to get accomplished.

The majority of the time, one faction won't even take the time to hear out an argument from the opposition. Even when provided evidence, ideas are cast away without hesitance because the idea that any ideology other than your's is moot is accepted or it could be that people fall into denial after having their beliefs disproved.

This is very much reminiscent of America's bi-partisan politics and mud-slinging.

Just another one of my rants.

At 6/29/04 08:11 PM, Dagodevas wrote:

At 6/29/04 07:41 PM, Reform wrote: So true, confronting an opponent in a surprise situation with a volley of queries is quite an underhanded tactic, but it helps politicos and the like to discredit others and achieve their agenda.

Just like how Moore ambushed Chuck Heston? Please, let's think twice before you speak.

I never denied that Moore used these tactics or implied that it was exclusive to any party, group, faction, individual, etc

"...politicos and the like.." encompasses everyone with an agenda of the political type.

This stimulated the nihilist within me, quite a bit.

Hooray for our newfound norms.

50 % Black (Sorry PC Police)
50 % Mexican

I think I'm the only one in a 10 mile radius...

The re-directs and pop-ups are my only impediment to everlasting bliss and paradise.

erm...

What happened to parental responsibility?

At 6/29/04 07:21 PM, Grenade_Clock wrote: One thing we should all learn from movies like this: If you ambush someone and rapid fire questions in their face, you can't expect them to come up with a convincing answer.

So true, confronting an opponent in a surprise situation with a volley of queries is quite an underhanded tactic, but it helps politicos and the like to discredit others and achieve their agenda.

At 6/29/04 06:47 PM, j00bie wrote: As Dobio has sort of said (i didnt bother reading his long... long... posts), i agree that Moore will end up using this publicity for bigger and better things.

Moore loves the publicity, good... or bad.

Gotta love that Moore and his narcissist ways.

At 6/29/04 04:57 PM, The_Enforcer wrote:

At 6/29/04 04:52 PM, Adun wrote:

Just because Moore had a stupid name for his book doesnt mean the accused stupid whities have to call Moore the same thing.

From your post it is obvious that you are 16

How does the content of one's post determine their age, effectively?

and don't know jack shit

You just went back around and perpetrated what you accused someone else of.

Appears that you guys have scared the topic starter away.

Nothing bad about that as he was basing everything off a white and black ideology, a bit too objective for a decent discussion.

At 6/23/04 02:26 PM, mabzie wrote: ...stuppid gun-grabbing hippies...

*Ensuing brain pains*

At 6/24/04 05:43 AM, NoHitHair wrote: Geeze. No one responded.

C'mon, someone thinks I'm dead wrong - just say it. Someone come out and tell me that on the inside, all of us are exactly the same without the slightest differences.

I need to argue.

Well I'm going to give you something else.

As an example, the term Black is terribly vague and misleading as it encompasses varying ethnic groups and nationalities. To place all these people under one tab, doesn't represent and denies them social and cultural independance and identity. This applies to other terms that apply categories based on "Race

Why not go the extra step and help represent better and avoid general conclusions?

Hmm, it seems as I haven't gone anywhere new, but I just had to become active in my own thread.

Race is a term implemented to classify human beings by superficial characteristics and traits, such as skin pigmentation and hair color. Race carries much political connotation and is too vague to properly classify humans, especially in a biological sense. Heritage, nationality, locations, and culture seem to be much more effective when studying humans and society.

What many people fail to see is that a member of the Navajo tribe may be more genetically simlar to a "White" individual from East Europe, than a person of resembling facial features and skin color. The genes that determine visible articles are petty in number. Why categorize people with such general cues?

At 6/17/04 08:50 PM, Proteas wrote: Patriotism to ones country will always go hand in hand with war propaganda provided by the ruling government. You can't help that.

So very true, if taken that patriotism is the selfless devotion in time of need, which includes war time.

At 6/17/04 04:08 PM, deathofself wrote: I am also affected by this. I am white and I live in the dumbest little hick town in Southeast Wisconsin. Not a day goes by with out the slurs and outright hate of blacks and mexicans. People have Confederate flags flying around, for Christ's sake!

I live nearby in Madison, but the only hate related incedent I have heard of was located in Mt. Horeb, a bit surprising.

Would this hate expressed be that of animosity between these groups or just outright racist blabble and hate speech?

Check this out. One day, my friend, Clee Jay, (I swear, that's his real name!) was waving the Confed. Flag around school, saying "Heretage, not hate." A black kid in the hall said, "Put that away, man." Clee Jay says "F*ck you, Ni**er."

"Heritage not Hate," then a racial slur...

Yep, no hate there...
I HATE THIS TOWN

Heh.

One thing I can say is that racism manifests itself in different formsand locations, be it avoidance and distrustin a school to violence and brutality on the street.

At 6/17/04 02:41 PM, -Brandon- wrote:

I seem to be a bit out of place in this topic, but oh well...

1) What is your education level, or year in school?

I am a rising 9th grader.

2a) If youre in college, which one?

I may not be attending a university, but I plan on going to UW-Madison for reasons of practicality.

2b) What is your major?

As of now I am interested in majoring in the humanities, especially the social sciences. Right now it would come down between philosophy, political science and/or sociology. Why? I have always been interested in how society functions and how every person is affected and affects it, rather vague, but oh well.

3) What would you like to do as a career?

No clue.

I don't find selfless patriotism to be all that negative if one who is one regards other countries with respect or atleast understanding. Once much of the populace expresses a chauvinistic form of these beliefs, there is something to be worked on.

Low-income housing is abundant, but there are some houses in the neighborhood, which are for the most part are petty in stature and beauty.

The only eventful thing lately was having rocks thrown at cars and some minor vandalism.

At 6/16/04 07:25 PM, deathofself wrote: I live in Wisconsin. I can understand speaking Spanish near the border states, but we border Canada, for God's sake. LEARN ENGLISH!!

So do I, boo hoo hoo.

Don't always expect people to do others things to please you, as this is how you are behaving. If someone is conducting themselves well, why does it matter if you can't understand what they are speaking. Sometimes you have to have a little initiative. If a group is unwilling to learn a language and you wish to know what they utter, it is going to take some effort on your part.

And no, I'm not going to Mexico or Spain, so I don't need to know Spanish.

How is this meanignful?

At 6/16/04 06:48 PM, IceWraith15 wrote:

At 6/15/04 09:38 PM, Reform wrote: What you accuse others of doing, you do so yourself. It's not that everyday joes' are hiring these illegals (In some cases, yes), but large corporations that require labor that illegals are willing to provide.

And no Americans would take those jobs, BULLSHIT.

Corporations want labor and the cheaper and more easily they are going to come about this is in their greatest interest. Americans searching sectors with undocumented workers would complain about the working conditions & wages and look elsewhere for employment or accept the work. With this not all the workers would be American and the corporations would fill up with guess who? Unless Americans are not willing to provide their services, the void is going to be filled with others.

The illegal aliens need to realize that THIS COUNTRY BELONGS TO US

Who is us?

Citizens of the United States of America.

Funny...

Why should illegals burn in hell, all they are trying to do is better themselves and in the process are providing services for others as irritable as yourself. These people are not some kind of demonic army bent on the total destruction of America, get over it.

Well, that's all good and fine, except they can enter the country LEGALLY.

Corporations want their labor, they will offer it. Maybe you should reconsider your targets.

American citizens did not collectively as a whole rebuild the US economy during this period of time and don't expect the Mexicans to do so. Comparing these two scenarios is doltish, different countries, different peoples, different values, different economy, different troubles...

Yes, all those peoples and values can stay in their own country.

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At 6/15/04 03:55 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: Illegal immigrants are one of the biggest threats to American Cultrure, they don't speak our language, they don't accept our lifestyles, they don't assimilate into our culture blend, and they are acting as if they can just waltz across the border into OUR country as they please.

You act as if it were some sort of massive invasion and that the illegal-aliens are going to destroy all American values.

One thing you forget is that this American culture is comprised of many different values and such once from foreign peoples.

The illegal aliens should be deported, ALL of them.

Why?

This course of action would be nearly impossible and would further demonstrate how we have become intolerant and brash.

Don't give me that shit about "nobody wants to do those jobs" such as gardening some elses yard, well, DO IT YOURSELF, you don't need to hire an illegal invader on our sovereignty to clean your house or do your gardening.

Invader? ...

What you accuse others of doing, you do so yourself. It's not that everyday joes' are hiring these illegals (In some cases, yes), but large corporations that require labor that illegals are willing to provide.

The illegal aliens need to realize that THIS COUNTRY BELONGS TO US

Who is us?

not them, they have to come in on OUR terms, they don't like it? They can burn in hell. Illegal immigrants shouldn't just run up here whenever there's a problem in their nation.

Last time I checked it wasn't OUR terms, but more or less the government's policy that regulates immigration laws.

Why should illegals burn in hell, all they are trying to do is better themselves and in the process are providing services for others as irritable as yourself. These people are not some kind of demonic army bent on the total destruction of America, get over it.

For example, Mexico's government suffers from large corruption, and this devastates their economy, thus, they immigrants "flee" to the United States. Well....I think we should say "You can't flee to our country, go back to you country, get off your lazy asses, and fix your country." Did American workers just flee when the Great Depression happened? NO, we stayed and rebuilt our economy. The illegal immigrants should do the same and stop treating the U.S like a hotel they can just sneak into.

American citizens did not collectively as a whole rebuild the US economy during this period of time and don't expect the Mexicans to do so. Comparing these two scenarios is doltish, different countries, different peoples, different values, different economy, different troubles...

How are illegals treating the US as a hotel, they do seem to be taking an active part in the workforce and economy.

Deport the bastards!

Blah, blah, blah...

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At 6/12/04 02:20 PM, terqui wrote: o and btw the government made marijuana illegal to control blacks in the south

it also made cocaine illegal to control mexicans in texas

reasons why alchohal and tobacco isnt illegal, they helped fund the american revolution.

drugs arent illegal cuz theyre bad they illegal cuz we dont like immigrants

and btw marijuana is legal if u have a stamp that the government doesnt give out (thats the law againts mj)

And some anti-drug ranters were posting about how drugs were made illegal to benefit the citizens under the laws.