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gay marriage Posted July 30th, 2003 in Politics

CNN.com

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush indicated Wednesday he opposes extending marriage rights to homosexuals, saying he believes marriage "is between a man and a woman."

Bush said it is "important for society to welcome each individual," but administration lawyers are looking for some way to legally limit marriage to heterosexuals.

"I believe marriage is between a man and a woman, and I think we ought to codify that one way or another," Bush told reporters at a White House news conference. "And we've got lawyers looking at the best way to do that."

Bush's comments drew praise from conservative groups, but criticism from gay rights advocates.

"The president has taken a courageous stand in favor of traditional marriage at a moment in American history when the courts are conspiring with anti-family extremists to undermine our nation's most vital institution," said the Rev. Louis Sheldon, chairman of the Traditional Values Coalition.

But a spokeswoman for a gay rights group faulted the president.

"We are very disappointed that the president is trying to further codify discrimination into law," said Winnie Stachelberg, president of the Human Rights Campaign, the nation's largest gay rights group.

Earlier this month, Bush said a constitutional amendment to block gay marriages might not be necessary, although the proposal has the support of Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tennessee.

The question of gay marriage has moved to the foreground of American politics after a U.S. Supreme Court decision in June that struck down state laws banning sodomy. Canada courts also have recently recognized gay marriages. In addition, the Massachusetts high court is expected to issue a ruling soon on whether the state can allow gay marriages.

The prospect has outraged religious conservatives, an important voting bloc in the Republican Party. And a recent CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll suggest the Supreme Court ruling has prompted a backlash: The number of people who have endorsed the idea that homosexual relations should be legal has dropped from 60 percent to 48 percent since the ruling, and only 40 percent of Americans say they now would support civil unions for homosexuals.

Even as he made it clear that he did not support the idea of gay marriage, Bush appeared to issue a call for tolerance.

"Yes, I am mindful that we're all sinners," the president said Wednesday when asked for his views on homosexuality. "And I caution those who may try to take the speck out of the neighbor's eye when they've got a log in their own."

"I think it's very important for our society to respect each individual, to welcome those with good hearts, to be a welcoming country," Bush added. "On the other hand, that does not mean that somebody like me needs to compromise on an issue such as marriage."

A number of states have passed laws forbidding gays from marrying or barring the recognition of a same-sex marriage performed in another state. The federal government's 1996 Defense of Marriage Act affirms that states are not required to recognize a same-sex marriage performed in another state.

The act also defines marriage as "a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife."

Response to: I don't support the troops! Posted July 27th, 2003 in Politics

At 7/27/03 10:12 PM, Black-Guy wrote: You foolish hippie, military men and women have a mind of there own, they're not puppets. And besides so what if we invaded Canada? If bush really made any totally ludicrous command I'm quite sure there would be coup.

You foolish dude, military men and women have a mind of their own but can't decide where they are at. If they are at the front lines, they are going to defend their asses from whoever is trying to kill them.

Response to: I don't support the troops! Posted July 27th, 2003 in Politics

At 7/27/03 10:07 PM, damndifwedordont wrote: it seems to me that you just dont support bush or any government

Does anyone that isn't into the propaganda support bush? It seems to me that you just don't see what he is coming from. Why exactly did we go to war? Wasn't Saddam cooperating a couple days before we went into war? One more question, was this war justifiable to kill, i'll get the count later, thousands of iraqis and after the war, create a sense of someone is over your shoulders in iraq. What would you think if you were a 12 year old in Tikrit deprived of water because the US placed an embargo on you because the required chemicals to clean the water had the capability to create weapons. Then you see americans rolling in with machine guns and tanks, for what? To kill your relatives just because they move while they inspect your house for "WMD's"

Tell me how THAT is justifiable

Response to: What to do for Homeless? Posted July 24th, 2003 in Politics

At 7/24/03 11:50 AM, Ted_Easton wrote: McDonalds doesn't give food to it's employees.
Not here in Canada, at least.

At closing time, don't you get the left-over food or at least go into the kitchen and make a quick Big-Mac or something?

Response to: softdrugs legal or not? Posted July 24th, 2003 in Politics

At 7/24/03 11:39 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote:

:I simply can not sit here and say that drugs like cocaine, marijuana, meth, peyote, or even the

Did i say coke, meth, or peyote?

:there have simply not been enough long-term tests,

There have been long-term tests(about 12 years long), i just need to find the links, it was on Netscape awhile ago but i can't find it right now.

:However, in the short term anyway, it's shown that Marijuana harms the body.

In which ways? Short-term memory? Just stay off of it for a month and it will come back, personal experience. Coughing? Should've used a water bong and put some granite rocks in it.

:The other problem with this is that some of the people, some, pushing for the legalization of Marijuana, are also making outlandish claims such as legalizing ecstacy and LSD. I don't care what people say about LSD being able to take you to a higher plane of thought -- it burns your brain to hell.

Did I say ecstacy or LSD? Ecstasy causes a release of your "happy" hormone, and once ecstasy wears off, the people become depressed, a lot of times causing suicides or the person wanting to take ecstasy over and over. LSD is a hard drug, produced in the 40's or 50's.

Response to: What to do for Homeless? Posted July 24th, 2003 in Politics

At 7/24/03 11:25 AM, bumcheekcity wrote:

:Well, i like the rehab method. Most homeless pople are on drugs, and they need to get off thembefore they can hold down a job. They then need an education, and get to work and help the economy.

I'm not sure if it is drugs, but it is definetely a mental problem that keeps them on the streets. I have a rather cut and dry feeling about things. If they can't provide for themselves, too bad if they are over 18. If they are addicted to hard drugs, too bad they fucked up. If they dropped out of school and didn't continue their education, too bad.

There are many options for a person to keep hygeine up and get a job, but it may be rather crude. The first thing they do is steal SOAP, yes SOAP. Then the next day they steal BOTTLED WATER or just use the water from fountains. After that, they go to McDonald's to get a job and FREE FOOD. Now they have their hygeine up, got food, and will be able to pay rent.

Response to: softdrugs legal or not? Posted July 24th, 2003 in Politics

At 7/23/03 06:59 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote:
At 7/22/03 06:52 PM, Ravens_Grin wrote:
At 7/11/03 09:20 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote:
At 7/11/03 03:50 PM, BWS wrote:
If we do legalize the reefer, there would be no laced weed, which is probably what your friend was smoking. It takes about 950 joints or 400 fatties to die from THC poisoning, now come on. That would be so awesome trying to smoke that many joints, ahh imagining it right now. Be stoned as a ummm stone after 5, if even that much..
The costs of the procedure, if not only to get it through the government and approval of the states - to purify it in itself, and to construct the machines large enough to meet the mass demand...the price for the government and private organizations would be insanely high.

Hmm, your not thinking on the same level as i am;

Definition of Laced: To add a substance, especially an intoxicant or narcotic, to

If it was legalized, then there would be growing grounds in which people supervised, and there would be no adding of chemicals that will mess you up.

Here is a link about HIV and Marijuana;
UCSF

Couple more questions, how much does a quarter costs? How long does a quarter last? Is your quarter shiny? How much does it costs for DRUGS for HIV? How long do these lasts? Did your friend smoke out of a water bong?

I feel that you have this bias against pot because of your friends "accident." This might also be because sometimes whenever they are crossing the border, they lace the pot with perfume. Other times they lace it with hard drugs to make you get a trip.

I have yet to review this link, but here is a link from the british parliament about pot.

British Parliament

Response to: Americans and immigration. Posted July 23rd, 2003 in Politics

I have only read through half of the first page, so yeah.

There has always been immigration laws, at times it was more loose, and at times it has been strict as anything.

Mexicans i feel are hard workers. They try to make a good living. Many times i feel these mexicans are messing with our white collar jobs. They want to get less than minimum wage to do the same job anyone else would want $7 an hour for, and when the mexicans get paid, its under the table. This pisses me off in two ways

1) The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. With decreased labor costs, the owner can now get his Z4 he has been wanting.

2A) The government doesnt get money for them because it is under the table. That many would've went towards social security. If the mexicans lived in the US for a certain amount of time, even if they didn't pay a dime to uncle sam, they can collect social security.

Response to: The Daily Show Posted July 22nd, 2003 in General

The Daily Show gives a pretty cool twists on news topic, i kinda stopped watching it though after they went to a Pig Sperm Plant in which the people that worked there jacked off pigs for a living, kinda funny looking back at it.

Response to: Xbox live Posted July 22nd, 2003 in General

Same exact screen name here except without the "_". I play all of the games that i have for Xbox Live, which to say is only Return to Castle Wolfenstein.

Response to: softdrugs legal or not? Posted July 22nd, 2003 in Politics

At 7/11/03 09:20 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote:
At 7/11/03 03:50 PM, BWS wrote: Yup. Plus, you can die from alcohol withdrawls. Weed isnt by any means "good" for you, but comparitavely, its not nearly as destructive as other types of drugs.
Anything used in large enough quantities can kill you. I used to know a kid who smoked weed one time and ended up in the hospital. He nearly died.

This brings up the next topic: legalization to purify the weed.

If we do legalize the reefer, there would be no laced weed, which is probably what your friend was smoking. It takes about 950 joints or 400 fatties to die from THC poisoning, now come on. That would be so awesome trying to smoke that many joints, ahh imagining it right now. Be stoned as a ummm stone after 5, if even that much..

PS
Watch "Reefer Madness" and you just have to laugh at the CIA's attempt at propaganda against this herb

Response to: Bush & Iraq Posted July 22nd, 2003 in Politics

At 7/22/03 04:54 PM, -PZY- wrote: I don't live in the US and don't know much about the candidates. But I do wonder what would happen if Al Gore had become president.

I heard that Al Gore would have nuked whoever did the 9-11 attack, which is what all of this comes down to. This is all speculation because i heard this from someone that isn't 100% correct all the time

Oh yeah another thing, Al Gore actually had more votes to elect him than Bush did. That was for those people that live in other countries and didn't know that.

Response to: Battle of Monrovia Posted July 22nd, 2003 in Politics

At 7/22/03 10:01 PM, Ted_Easton wrote: Those multi-colored candies (flavour is based on color) that are soft and squishy and come in a variety of shapes.

Black tastes like black licorice.

Do you mean jelly beans

Response to: The Dark Side of Tony Blair Posted July 22nd, 2003 in Politics

"And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear
You shout and no one seems to hear.
And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon. "

Sorry, the topic just reminded me of that Pink Floyd song

Response to: Bush's Racist Past Posted July 22nd, 2003 in Politics

At 7/22/03 06:56 PM, BootlegJones wrote: ummm... that makes him a racist? how? He was talking about women, not black people. And so what if he did say "white people".I don't exactly WHY he would say that? Mabye he said "white women". I would understand the public giving him a hard time about that.

BootlegJones, just leave, i'm not going to argue against your stupidity.

Response to: Bush's Racist Past Posted July 22nd, 2003 in Politics

At 7/14/03 02:59 AM, _crossbreed_ wrote: Thanks for the info, Ninja. ^_^ I find it odd that Bush is waging a war on drugs when he spent most of his teens powdering his nose with coke and then spending his adulthood denying it.

Here's a thought!
Maybe he could liberate South America from its dictators and, which is America's main source of drug imports and fix what they screwed up in Afghanistan, leaving opium production levels at an all-time high. War on drugs indeed.

Crossbreed, you got it wrong, its a "War with Drugs" which you can get cheap opium,coke (Bush Jr's favorite; and no kids, not Coca-Cola). Just like the cheap oil us americans are about to get because we just love our SUV's. Why can't we all just get Mini Coopers, Bruce Lee was only 135 lbs!

Sidenote(not related to anything in particular);
One thing i learned the other day, you need a very fast car if you say "Down with christian, white men. Up with islamic, black men!" at a KKK meeting, very very very very bad idea.

Response to: Americans: The Jews of the World Posted July 11th, 2003 in Politics

At 7/11/03 03:34 AM, Ninja_Scientist wrote: Here's an article all about it. It even tells you how to get to the federal document that explains how they knew all these innocents would die, but did it anyway.

Have you ever heard about a siege? I know this is a politics forum, but sometimes you have to think militarily why we do things. Without chlorine or whatever they need for water, they will give in to our demands. You can call this terrorism if you want, but it is a proven tactic.

Here's another article on the same page that shows how the US were the ones who first gave WMD and Anthrax, etc. to both Iraq and Iran just so the two would weaken one another in the Iranian Conflict (and by weaken, I mean kill one another).
Why would we give weapons to both countries for no apparent reason?

There is a reason, you have to use the lil' thing above your neck. What i'm going to say didn't happen but it was probably what the US Military folks were thinking about. You weaken them both, causing both to collapse. This would thus create a "power vacuum" which the US would probably have filled in and the US gets a ton of oil? need i say more?

Response to: something weird with submissons Posted July 8th, 2003 in General

I was going to say the same thing, maybe the new PHP code for the database is buggy. or the database is down because they are putting the PHP code for it

Response to: Marajuana: No Harm? Posted July 8th, 2003 in Politics

At 7/8/03 12:37 PM, G_FRESH_69 wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHA stupid americans, unlike the states canada is legizing it

Really? Sweet im moving to Canada

One thing i found in the article is this:
"Marinol, a drug that is a synthetic form of marijuana and contains its active ingredient, THC, is available by prescription to treat loss of appetite associated with weight loss in AIDS patients"

MUNCHIES!!

Response to: Upgrades, Updates, etc... Posted July 7th, 2003 in NG News

Oh tom, if you are still looking at this post, i found a very cheap, fast bandwith provider.

Its at www.cogentco.com the prices are as follows:

For 100 Mbps, its $1,000
For 1,000 Mbps, its $10,000

For $10 per Mbps, its not bad

For people that are looking at this, the usual T3 or DS3, which is 45 Mbps, costs around $4,500, usual more due to local loop.

Response to: Spit on cop, get life Posted July 7th, 2003 in Politics

"Placing bodily fluid upon a government employee"

What about sweat?

Response to: The Perfect President Posted July 7th, 2003 in Politics

One that knows history so he doesnt further complicate situations

Inteligence would be nice

Young people have the most ambitions, and if the presidents ambition was to perfect the system and give further power to the Senate and Congress, then that would be great. This or replace the president with a group of 3-4 democratically elected people so that one president's greed (oil anyone?) doesnt get in the way. An older person would say that the system works, and wont do much about it.

Response to: After the Oil goes... Posted July 7th, 2003 in Politics

Hmm, after the oil goes, americans will go into a frenzy finding gasoline to power their SUV's and H2 Hummers, while this is happening, they will be blaiming the pasts presidents on not providing a system of rationing the oil, even though they are the ones that f***d up. Then american will go into a depression and bike sales will go ten-fold, since whenever a fat person gets a bike(20-40% of americans are fat), it'll brake in 2 weeks. The depression should reside for 5-6 years until the government again builds another public works project like the hoover dam, but instead, its a system of windmills. If they don't build a system of windmills and sink further into depression, then, yes, CANADA WILL INVADE

Response to: the word "negro" Posted July 4th, 2003 in Politics

At 7/4/03 12:46 AM, _crossbreed_ wrote: So why not call black people...black people?

So simple, but so true

Response to: "Christians" shown true face Posted July 3rd, 2003 in Politics

At 6/29/03 04:10 PM, Ninja_Scientist wrote: .......What about the Holocaust? That started in the name of "Christianity." And what about all the other wars started in the "the name of God." What about the Salem witch trials, etc, etc, etc.

Don't forget about the Crusades with the slaughtering of thousands of innocent Arabs, not including the raping of many women

Anti-Americana Posted July 3rd, 2003 in Politics

Which president do you think caused the increase of Anti-Americanism?

Did it start earlier, like in vietnam or korea, or has it been escalating severely during the Bush Regime?

Or has it been increasing due to the stupidity of the american people?

Response to: Upgrades, Updates, etc... Posted July 2nd, 2003 in NG News

Hey Tom, i have an idea what you can do with NG to help alliviate some of the bandwith problems. What you should do, but this will take a lot of programming resources, is to make a client like Kazaa or another P2P connection for NG.This would help a whole lot on the bandwith problem. Also, you could have some clients volunteer to have some extra SWF's besides the one's they downloaded, especially new ones that just came out. Also, people should get points for the upload bandwith they give.

Response to: Best Band In The World Posted July 2nd, 2003 in General

All of this but no Tool? Tool for me is the greatest band ever. Too bad most of their great songs are more than 8 minutes long and wont be played on the radio(like third eye, lateralus, etc.)

Response to: My country-part of axis of evil?? Posted July 2nd, 2003 in Politics

Chemical weapons, perhaps?

I mean, only God knows what's in those McDonald's cheeseburgers...

It was sodium they put in those burgers, Al Qaeuda has it masterly planned. They will take this sodium and put it in our drinking waters to kill us all!

But yes, be very afraid, the Bush War Machine(BWM for short, not to be confused with BMW) might be taking a trip to Austria. Why hasn't Bush used the "speak softly and carry a big stick" philosophy? He sounds like a dam howling monkey.

Rights of Americans Posted July 1st, 2003 in Politics

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NOTE: If you are not a citizen of the US or living in the US illegally, plz only read and humor yourself

I have been questioning myself and I have been wondering, what is wrong with us today? Many don't feel oppression, but I feel it. Many times I feel it is from censorship. Many radio stations have to sensor out words like fuck and god dam just because of a Federal Agency. Don't we, as american citizens, have the right to express our opinion, in one form or another like music, in any way we feel possible? Shouldn't the ideas of inappropiateness be in the hands of the citizens instead of a bunch of aristrocats?

Feel free to go on with this list:

1) In the first amendment we were givin "Free Speech" but yet we have censorship

2) Again tying into censorship, there is legislation now to prevent kids from buying games. This should be up to Store Policy, not by governors that want to get re-elected.

3) The "War on Terrorism" has allowed more legislation to pass that intrudes into our freedoms. Shouldn't we have a voice in what we want from our government instead of them force-feeding what they want us to do.

4) Should race be an issue in determining job entries and college entries or is race still an issue that we still need the NAACP

i'll leave the rest of the list up to you, include any rights that you feel inadequate or rights of the government that the government is abusing