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Funny note on this topic, Universal Studios sent us a letter about downloading a file which caused my internet to be cut off for a week.

I just think it's kind of funny that people think it's anti-immigrant.

Sorry link didn't work, here it is http://www.winchesterstar.com/TheWinchesterStar/031231/Area_dmv.asp

from Winchester Star w

A new law requiring people obtaining a Virginia driver’s license to prove they are U.S. citizens or legally authorized to live here was sold in the General Assembly as a security measure — but some are calling it anti-immigrant.

The Legal Presence law, passed by the Virginia General Assembly in February, goes on the books Jan. 1, 2004, though it will not be implemented until Saturday, when the Department of Motor Vehicle offices reopen following the New Year’s holiday Thursday and Friday.

The law requires people seeking the following services to prove they are legally living in Virginia:

* Anyone applying for a new license or photo identification card.

* Anyone seeking to reinstate a license that has been suspended, expired, or revoked.

Applicants will have to supply a U.S. birth certificate or passport for natural-born citizens. Other valid documents include a certificate of citizenship or naturalization, a resident alien card, or a valid foreign passport with a visa, I-94 or an I-94W with a participating country, according to the Virginia DMV.

Anyone who already has a driver’s license and needs to renew it will not have to provide proof of legal residence. There is no estimate of how many illegal immigrants currently have driver’s licenses, said Pam Goheen, a spokeswoman for the Virginia DMV.

Supporters of the law say it will improve homeland security, Goheen said. Seven of the 19 hijackers involved in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks had obtained Virginia licenses through false documents.

But one member of the panel that has helped establish the law said it may actually make Virginians less safe because some illegal immigrants simply may decide to drive without a license.

“I don’t see how this is going to help the situation in the fight against terror,” said Rick Castaneda, who works as a liaison between the Harrisonburg school system and immigrant parents.

Many of the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers entered the United States legally, Castaneda said.

Without a license, drivers likely will be uninsured. They may not know the rules of the road, and the state will have no record of their presence in the community, Castaneda said.

“It’s goal was to make us a more safe community. It’s making us a less safe community. Criminals will find another way to circumvent the system,” Castaneda said. Even those who have legal status in Virginia may be intimidated, he added.

But the new law will apply to everyone equally, and even native-born applicants will have to provide proof that they live here legally, Goheen said.

Castaneda agreed, and said that is why he was on the panel that helped establish the law once it had been passed.

“We were not there to argue, just make sure the legislation was enacted equally and fairly,” he said.

Still, “we wanted to make clear that there is a difference between terrorist and immigrant,” Castaneda said. “By virtue of having gainful employment, they’re taxpayers,” even if people are not here legally, he added.

More than 1,000 DMV workers across the state have received a two-day training seminar to familiarize themselves with residency documents and be able to spot some forgeries.

If their basic training still leaves them guessing about the veracity of a document, workers can consult one of the DMV’s four “document specialists,” Goheen said. They will handle and have access to information for any questionable paperwork to ensure it is legitimate.

The state also hired an additional 21 employees for its high-volume offices in Northern Virginia and the Hampton Roads area, Goheen said.

The cost of the 26 new hires for the Legal Residence law is $2 million a year, Goheen said.

Despite the new hires, the wait time at the DMV will probably grow, Castaneda said.

But a few extra minutes at the DMV will be worth it to keep society safe, said Winchester resident Nathan Wells, who was at the Kernstown DMV at 4050 Valley Pike on Tuesday.

“Five minutes is nothing when you’re already there an hour and a half,” said Wells, who was renewing his license.

But Amy Grogg, who had been waiting a half-hour to renew her license, said she would hope the DMV will offer a separate line for anyone who has to prove legal residence. Even though “you kind of expect a long wait,” at the DMV, Grogg, a resident of Stephens City, said she would not like to see it grow any longer.

But Goheen said if customers have the proper paperwork handy, things can move smoothly.

A complete list of accepted documents to prove legal residency can be found at http://www.dmvnow.com/legalpresence, or by calling (866) DMV-LINE.

At 12/31/03 01:20 PM, The_Epoxies wrote: 4) The sun implodes and it's impossible to have light or to grow anything......

If the sun implodes, growing something or having light is the least bit of your worries.

Anyways this glitch occurred because they had to set a time for infinity, and they set it to somewhere in 2004. They already have the fix for it.

At 12/30/03 04:57 PM, RugbyMacDaddy wrote: Ive never heard that before. I am not doubting it as a possiblity, but I do believe God was the one who knocked up Mary (in the bible atleast, but Im not Christian so I could care less).

So whenever we are worshipping god we are actually worshipping a rapists roman soldier?

I would kind of see that as usual, just giving a cow a birth license instead of a importation one. Saves time and money.

At 12/29/03 05:12 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: Oops, sorry. My bad there. But dont humans only use 10% of our brains though, so the size would be kinda irrelevent?

At a given moment, yes we only use 10% of our brains because each area of our brain specializes in certain tasks. We may only use one area of our brain once or twice, but we will use it.

Obviously, you've read a book on this, and i'm just goig on my ideas, but that would seem about right.

But that book is so god dam hard to read! I had to read chapters 3 or 4 times to fully understand it. Anyways, the size of the brain has only part of the overall intelligence, but it is still a factor none the less. The other factors that influence intelligence is the environment and education.

Oh anyways, here is a link about the differences among skulls which I found kind of interesting. Skull

With the person that went to that medical fair, was it a view on the top? Because if it was it wouldn't have given a fair view on the depressions that are hereditary.

Let me rephrase everything that I have said so far so that you don't become confused or become short-minded right now.

There is a coorelation between skull size and mental capacity. Though the strength of the coorelation is only moderate. With 0 being no coorelation and 1 being an absolute coorelation, it is around .4 coorelation. By hereditary, Asians, Africans, and Whites have different skull structures. These different skull structures causes the brain to be constrained into a different shape causing it to have less mass. Mass is not the determination factor of intelligence, though, it is merely the amount of functional neurons that determines intelligence. For instance the domestic cat is born with 1 million neurons but loses all but 200,000. What's the cause of this? Could it be the neurons can't function well enough being packed into a smaller space? The brain sizes vary between races, and even among races they vary. Science can sway either way on this, whether race effects intelligence or not because of the variation between races and amongst the race itself.

That doesn't mean that all whites are smarter than blacks, just to let you know. The coorelation isn't exact because a black person can just have more effective neurons in the brain or have a larger head than the white person. It's like height, there are short, normal, and tall people in a race. On average blacks are a little bit taller then whites. Come to think of it, everyone is a lot taller then the people 200 years ago.

bcc, I already said my source. It was "The g factor: The science of mental ability" by Arthur Jensen. The only reason the sizes of the brain is different among the races is because of their anatomy. On average, blacks have a size of the skull or a different arrangement of the bones so that it makes the brain to become smaller since it can only occupy a smaller amount of space. And from there, there is a moderate coorelation between brain size and IQ level.

At 12/29/03 02:54 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 12/29/03 01:05 PM, Ravens_Grin wrote: Also, there is a coorelation between IQ and brain size.

How strong a corrolation? It can't be that big, can it?

It's not a strong corrolation, the r (forgot what it stands for) is around .4, not a strong coorelation but yet not a weak one.

Hey Mason, may I advise you to read "The g Factor: The Science of Mental Ability" by Arthur Jensen? It gives some good facts and ideas about the differences of mental capacity. One of them being that blacks because of their bone structure of their head has a smaller brain then whites. Also, there is a coorelation between IQ and brain size.

At 12/29/03 05:23 AM, bumcheekcity wrote: It's more than just a movement, and I think it's caused by Bush and his 'Bite Me' foreign policy. I really hope you guys elect Dean.

I thought this anti-american sentiment started before Bush, but Bush really did push it off the edge. He will more likely get elected again since the people who can vote only vote for the popular person, which is Bush right now. I wonder what the world would be like if Nader was elected.

I'm amazed at people's ability to determine how life is like in an area whenever they haven't been in an area that is like it.

Hey swallowing shit, I saw Iraq on there. They invaded Kuwait and that is why we attacked them. Want to know why they attacked Kuwait? MONEY! Saddam was pissed at Kuwait for lowering the price of oil and he needed to regain money after the war with Iran, so he basically took over Kuwait for OIL.

Alright I understand what you are saying. In America you have in-state tuition and out of state tuition costs. The university I'm looking at is West Virginia University. For this year if I went there It would've cost me $10,000 for the tuition and I would also have to pay room and board since I am out of state which is another $5,000. So $15,000 a year for myself to go to college. For my in-state tuition they have it a little more complicated and they based it on credit hours. I would have to pay $1000 for 1-3 credit hours and $335.50 per each credit hour after that. A course usually takes 2-3 credit hours so I would end up with 8-9 credit hours so that would cost me around including fees about $3,500, or I think 1,900 pounds. For the out of state it would be around 8,500 pounds. I guess I'm going for the in-state one.

At 12/29/03 11:54 AM, Gibberish wrote: Does melanin affect the brain? No. The only difference it makes is that your skin is darker.

You are only focusing on one aspect and that is their color of their skin. Black people also have a larger Achiles Tendon which allows them to jump higher. I might be wrong on the tendon or muscle, but I did hear about that. So why can't there be a difference in brain mass between races if there can be a difference in the initial muscle mass?

At 12/29/03 11:56 AM, motive23 wrote: Stupid mexicans cant get a green card so thats why they're your trashman. IT IS A PROVEN FACT THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE HIV ARE MEXICAN

I thought it was gay people because they don't practice safe sex.

America already has your 'so-called' top-up fees. It's called tuition fees. Or am I mistaken and that you will have to pay top-up fees and tuition fees? If that's the case then that sucks.

The only reason I don't like illegal immigrants is that they can receive medicare and social security even though they never paid a single dime for income tax. Besides that, I don't mind them. They're good hard workers and that is what America needs. No more of this lazy, crap workers that bitch about their pay all of the time.

At 12/28/03 10:53 PM, JudgeFUNK wrote: Well, everyone knows the US doesn't spend BILLIONS of dollars on foreign aid every year, we spend all of our money of evil bombs to kill Iraqi children so we can take their oil and destroy their culture, just like we did to the Native Americans.

Native Americans had oil? I'm just kidding but you need to realize one suttle fact: People DIE in wars. Bullets have no discrepancy between a little child, adult, or a retard. But since you put an Iraq reference into that, I'll counter that. Saddam of the Sunni division of the Islamic religion did not like the Kurds in the north which were of the Shi'ite division. Through several gassing and massacres, several tribes were destroyed. With the destruction of these tribes came the mass burials. It was during the Iran-Iraq war that this occurred. Over 200,000 were killed. But your probably going to say that america has killed more in the past 50 years so it doesn't matter. You are also probably going to say that I'm completely biased and have no facts supporting. Well for the facts part, just look at this link
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And we never EVER step in during armed conflists between Bosnians and Serbs, Israelis and Palestinians, or any other groups intent of mutual genocide.

Because of as of late anything we do is criticised. We cannot go to war with the Bosnians without the Serbs or its allies to bitch. We cannot go to war with Israel since the whole Middle East will hate us more, if that is possible. Anyways, has your country stepped to to help these nations?

Ignoring the solution is worse than creating the problem.

At 12/29/03 05:42 AM, bumcheekcity wrote: Over 50% of American people own some kind of firearm, most likely to be a handgun. Over 65% think that everyone has the right to a gun. That's millions of guns there.

Actually they do have a right to have guns. It's in the Bill of Rights but your english ass probably has never seen it.

Man I would love an IRC debate channel.

At 12/28/03 10:00 PM, BWS wrote: Yes, I am, because I believe that what I said is the obvious truth. I guess its not that obvious though, is it?

The part about Canada being America's Bitch is absolutely true. I was just pointing out the racial profiling because it seems on these boards that is what the europeans and canadians do to americans, they profile us by the nation we live in. Racial profiling is just plain ignorant and stupid.

The anti-american movement is happening across europe right now and I am in no mood to fight ignorance at the moment. People really need to stop following and create their own unique ideas.

At 12/28/03 09:32 PM, BWS wrote:
Also because they drink a lot of Labatts, and so they are always drunk. Or playing hockey. Or maybe building igloos and whatnot.

Racial profiling eh?

Even now looking through the internet i see remarkably the same page and information on every page. Even the comments about the data is the same. If you don't see that the people with the anti-american movement at this moment are mere followers of the majority emotions then I don't know what I can do for you. It's getting further frustrating for me to see all of this blind faith following without people actually looking stuff up on their own. I will have to go to the library tomorrow because I'm getting biased information from both sides. For instance, biased in which america only helped Italy after WWII and biased that america only hurt it.

At 12/28/03 04:44 PM, swallowing_shit wrote: America the binary opposite of peace and freedom.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/USvsWorldUN_WBlum.html

I'm going to say this that Blum is really anti-american and deems any action by America that ends up in bloodshed as evil. I'm going to eventually go through each of his references in this article and disprove it, or at least state if he had overblown it or not.

How about you start working for a country worth being proud of instead of this selective history crap?

I love my country, it's one of the better countries in the world. We have a high standard of living, care about each other, and overall we are really peaceful and have a fun time. You want to disprove me by stating something even though you don't leave here? Do you want to say that Americans are dicks and could care less about the things around us?

Also, haven't you been reading the replies of this topic? That most of the good things that America ends up doing gets overshadowed by a few ugly things. If you want to be selective and look only at one side or a few instances, then so be it.

I feel sort of the same way as you, but by far you need to relax. Races outside of the majority usually get double standards in a democratic, unrepressive(overall there isn't that much repression, but there is some so exclude that for the moment) society. Some people also have these views because of the media. Rodney King is a good example since the media only played the beating part (which the cops were dumbasses at the beating part since they could've easily handcuffed him once they got him on the ground). Rodney King was drunk, suspected of PCP, and even stood up after 2 shots of 50,000 volts into his body. Not only that, the cops were chasing them for 8 miles until he got over.