At 2/13/03 10:54 PM, Celadrieldor wrote: Existance and reality are too seperate things therefore this club is not real but it does exist

The club itself is real, and does exist, and it is not even a paradoxal phrase by stating that it cannot exist.
If it didn't exist, it couldn't state that it doesn't, so, while I give more though into this, I've found out that the imaginary club is this: An affirmation that lies about itself. Simple as that. When something says that it doesn't exist, it doesn't mean it's true and the statement " I do not exist" does not remove one from existence, it simply proves he's wrong. A real paradoxe is a phrase like
"This sentence has two mistaques in it"
Grammatically, it has only one, so, it becomes a mistake to say that there is two mistakes. But, then, what happens is that there are two mistakes, so the affirmation ir correct and so on...

WOW! Was that ever useful AND enlightening! Now, join the CCC! Or the CCCCC! At least they're not confusing!or... are they?...

Oops, I forgot one "club", so make that the Club Club-a-Club Club Club"

Hey! I started a club to! It's the Club-a-Club Club. If you join, you can say you dislike any club. Like " CCC member3, I dislike the simpsons club". But I figured that was too evil, so I created the Club Club-a-Club Club. Basically, thr CCCCC is for those who think that the CCC is a hateful club.

At 2/13/03 07:36 PM, Rystic_Force wrote: Then why not stop now?

Hey! I created the Club-a-Club Club! At first, I though I was not the only one who though the portal was being overrun by clubs, so I though people would join a club with a goofy name and simply say which club they find the most pointless. That's all. It was not about hating the Blam club or the Zelda club or the lightsaber crew or the clock crew etc.
Well, now, I've changed my mind. This "club" is this: If you're going to start or be in another pointless club, simply because you want to be in a club, you might as well be part of a club with a cool name. Now, I think I will push this concept further and create the Club Club-a-Club Club Club. And then, if need be, I shall create the Clun Club Club-a-Club Club Club Club. But that will be all.
And stop taking this so seriously, everyone, or you might look dumber than you really are.

Good.
You really are turning this website into a " Make you own Flash site". It's great! Now, we've got a choice of musics and a free preloader.
How about a sprites page?
Or maybe there is already a website for that somewhere else.
But still, sprites page!

At 2/13/03 07:09 AM, slinederhighgen wrote: most of the people on the top 50 protect/blam list
are members of the blam club, ever taken a look at the top blammers profile?

Yes I did, that's not the point, the point is: do they need to be part of the blam club to be effective blammers? No. That's all. I know a couple people above me in the list are members. That's great for them, but I'm still quite high in the list amd have blammed a lot of crap all by myself. Would I have blammed more if I was par of a club? No. Would BC members ( serious ones) blam less if they wheren't part of BC? No.

At 2/13/03 06:53 AM, Rystic_Force wrote: Listen, we don't just REVIEW movies to help artists. The Blam Club has many actionscripters who actively support flash artists.

We're flaming him for posting a dumb thread.

You don't have to be a flash artist. Infact, that's better then someone who just makes crap for the portal.

Finally, any members who join to protect their movies are usually banned. Period.

It's good to see that some people can reply intelligently to posts. And you even read it through! Thank You, for that, I'll give you a pic from my upcoming movie.

Damn, is it me or all the blamclub members take their role on newgrounds waaaay to seriously? You guys are obsessed with it! You even have your own website! And don't think I'm against you for that, I just don't think you are useful at all. Why?
1- Even Wade said it: he'd rather have a bad movie stay on the portal than have the author resubmit it time and time again.
2- How would you feel if someone targetted YOUR movies? Even if your movie sucked ass, I'm sure you'd fell bullied and discouraged.
3- You don't keep the crap out of the portal more that you did as separate members, you just wanted some sort of police club, like Zelda fans wanted a Zelda club. You wanted to fund this club because you all shared a common interest: blamming bad movies. So everyone on newgrounds joined your club simply to say: Look at me, I'm good for the portal! I keep it clean!
4-The real portal cleaners AND protectors are on the top 50 blam/protect list.
5- You'd rather destroy than protect. Me to. But still.
6- You say that all your members are fair voters and blablablablabla. Oh, but then you'll say " No! Some of our members don't vote fairly, but most of us do!". As if you could keep track! How many of you are there now? 3000? 4000?. It's completely ridiculous to say that that many people are members of a club which purpose is to clean the portal since the vote of only 50 users is required to blam a movie.
7- You never respect the views of anyone but yourselves and you ONLY argument is only " You're a NOOB, you movie, we blammed, cause crap they where! Now, lock this topic!"
8- If the portal is to be a place to encourage Flash authors, you can be sure the name of your club alon will discourage anyone from making Flash movies.
9- You say you help aspiring Flash artist. I suppose you tell them, in your reviews, " Less sticks" or " Animated Better" " Have a better plot" "Be good at Flash, and then, resubmit"
10- I can hear it coming... " But what about the people who really suck at Flash and who submit crap time and time again to litter the Portal? We get rid of them!" Yes, congratulations, you, along with every other user who see that crap help get rid of it. We all reallt needed a club for that!
11- You pretend your club is for the love of the portal! It's more for the love of blamming! All the other clubs around here have been founded because their members loved something.
12- What are your club's accomplishements anyways? And no, the answer is not "We keep the portal clean"
13- Have you noticed how I didn't insult any one of you? Learn!
14- Quit your yapping about NOOBS already! That is the dumbest thing you can do: say that someone is a noob because he doesn't know PRECISELY what your club does, or because he has not gotten the million in " Who wants to be a NG fan".
15- YES, you DO project a very negative image and will continue to do so until the end of time. Change your name to the protecion club if you want a BETTER ( not good, better) image.
16. No, I haven't made a movie. So?
17- I bet some of your members joined because they thought it would save their movies from oblivion! Sad.

Now, you must really think I hate you and are ready to insult me with your usuall blabering, or you must be tired or reading and your are dying to simply write something completely useless because you can't reply preoperly to this post.
Well, in truth, I don't hate you club at all, I simply ignore it. I also want to keep crap off here, my BLAM/PROTECTIONS show that, but I don't need to be part of a club to do so.
I don't support people who hate your club IN PARTICULAR, and I am the one who started the CCC and you morons should go check why I did so. ( like you recommend to everyone to go check out you website) It's under " DO you hate a club? The CCC"

Sorry for any typing mistakes. I'm not as perfect as you are, BC members...

At 2/12/03 07:18 PM, Devil_Knight_470 wrote: Enough of this Anti-BC crap!

Would any want to join my club,the "Devil Never Cry" Club.It's basics are for fans of RPG Games,Action Games,Fighter Games,and fans of the Devil May Cry ssersis

You can hate whichever club you like! You don't have to hate the blamclub or the clockcrew, you can even be a member! This club is purely to say, if you're going to part of a club, you might as well be part of one with a funny name. You can always say you hate the CCC and be a member! See, youMd hate a club, so you'd qualify as a member! And it's not even paradoxal, since nothing says you can't be part of a club you hate!
About you joining offer.
I like Zelda, I like FF, I like Mega-Man, MK, but I don't whant to be part of any clubs related to that, come on, what's the point? I'd rather be part of a funny-useless club than a serious boring one.
No offence.

P.S.: WTF is Devil May Cry?

At 2/12/03 06:51 PM, BuckeyesNate wrote: Hello, i'm number 2. "hi number 2, im number one" and thats how it all began.... anyways you saying that reminded me of austin powers. i didnt know you were actually some one with some recognition lol. anyways ya i dont think any one else is goanna join with us

Yep, we'll probably alone in here for a good while, but, hey, I'm never taking this pic down! Never! It's a statement!
What do you mean, recognition?

At 2/12/03 06:44 PM, BuckeyesNate wrote: WOHOO!! hey then can you join my Anti-blam Club Club. lol god i didnt know how much that had been done before. maybe if one person joined more would come. then again prolly wont

Sorry, I'm not against any club in particular. I started this tread/ club knowing many people would say it was done before ( at least, looking at my profile, they won't think I'm a Noob). This club is kind of like most of the jokes in the Simpsons: it's ironic. It's only purpose is to make a club that, in its essence, is against itself, just for the sake of doing so, because it seems to me that most clubs started now ( Mega-man club, Zelda club etc.) are just created because they don't already exist.
This club is not to cause a revolution, or any kind of change at all on NG, it's just to laugh, in a non-harmful way, at this whole club craze. I think the name is funny also. Imagine, if a lot people joined this club ( and others also), NG would be a lot more colorful.

At 2/12/03 06:06 PM, BuckeyesNate wrote: Hey Buddy, there are two of us now.

Yes! My first follower! I officially grant you the title of number 2!

Hey! Go check the club I just started one hour ago! It's the Club-a-Club Club. You can join, and, as a member, anyone can hate whichever club they whant to hate! The goal is not to get rid of clubs ( duh! Its a club itself), but to show how many people here find certain clubs dum. So, join, and you can get the super signature pic I designed. And the name kikcs ass.

Here's what it would look like...

At 2/12/03 04:39 PM, izax wrote: hahaha! thats the best club name yet! I hate most clubs anyway. And making one against them will only keep them going longer.

The goal is not to close them, and you don't need to want their deaths. It'a just to express your opinion, like voting. And come on, you can't go wrong when you join a club with a name like that! And you can always create the Club Club-a-Club Club Club ( I just had to write it before someone else thought of it!)

Since the Clock Crew and the Blam Club have been founded, countless fanclubs have popped all over NG. If, for any reason at all you dislike any club, or a crew, or if you find that there is one, two three... club to many on this site, let Newgrounds know by joining the Club-a-Club Club.
Just add the signature pic I've included below in your BBS signature and specify which club you don't like.

I know you're going to tell me I'm only encouraging hatefulness among NG members. To that, I will reply: not really. It's for fun, that's all.

Well, in case someone actually wants to be a member of the CCC, there are no member numbers, so wright whatever you like into your signature pic. Heck, you can even wright you're the founder for all I care.

Example of an abusive review:

"Fuck you stupid noob, you should go overdose on barbituates while jumping off the Empire State Building and shooting yourself in the head at the same time, you fucking Linkin Park pre-teen cock-muncher. Eat my asshole, you little shit-faced jack-off. I've got a good idea; why don't you go jack-off to the sounds of your sister getting fucked by me. And when you're done with that, you can jack off to the sounds of me fucking your mom, you pizza-faced little fuckwad. Then I'm gonna tie you to a chair and cut your ear off like in Reservior Dogs, and since Tim Roth isn't here to save you this time, I'm gonna set you on fire too, you little used up pap smear. God, your fucking flash skills have to to be the fucking worst in the entire world. You should have your nuts cut off and have the right one mailed to the south pole and the other mailed to the north pole, so penguins can shit on the left, and Santa can cram the right one up his runny asshole, you little cluster-fucked, inbred, peter-beater. I hope you drown in a sea of sailor's cum before you make another flash movie, you horrendous, down-syndrome-plagued, vaginal discharge."

( that was not written by me, but by user Keyser_Soze)

Have you noticed how, sometimes, insulting reviews are very funny to read? How some very stupid jokes get people laughing? How Jackass and Tom Green have become popular ( to some degree) because they did stupid stuff?
-Are you someone with a lot of creativity?
-Are you good at insulting others?
-Do you write a lot of hateful reviews or BBS posts?
-Do you like to laugh a lot?

This topic is for you! You can write all the colorful and inventive insults your mind comes up with, and then read what other users have came up with and get a laugh out of that.
Here's what you can do:
-Write a very insulting text to a fictive character
-Find a review you think is very funny, but make sure we don't know who wrote it for which movie
-Post a funny picture of anything
-Get back at someone you hate ( no naming said person please!!!!)

This topic is meant to be used in all and pure good fun, so don't directly insult people, just make someone up or be sure it's a person who won't care or who will never ever ever ever find out. If you're going to use this insult forum as a mean to de-anger yourself, or to relax after you've had a stressful day because of some person you hate, PLEASE GO AHEAD, but, DO NOT GIVE ANY SPECIFIC INFORMATION ABOUT THE PERSON, like last name, address or whatever.

HAVE FUN' EVERYONE, I HOPE THIS THING BECOMES A GREAT SOURCE OF ENJOYEMENT FOR ALL.

At 2/11/03 08:40 PM, Keyser_Soze wrote: Example of an abusive review:

"Fuck you stupid noob, you should go overdose on barbituates while jumping off the Empire State Building and shooting yourself in the head at the same time, you fucking Linkin Park pre-teen cock-muncher. Eat my asshole, you little shit-faced jack-off. I've got a good idea; why don't you go jack-off to the sounds of your sister getting fucked by me. And when you're done with that, you can jack off to the sounds of me fucking your mom, you pizza-faced little fuckwad. Then I'm gonna tie you to a chair and cut your ear off like in Reservior Dogs, and since Tim Roth isn't here to save you this time, I'm gonna set you on fire too, you little used up pap smear. God, your fucking flash skills have to to be the fucking worst in the entire world. You should have your nuts cut off and have the right one mailed to the south pole and the other mailed to the north pole, so penguins can shit on the left, and Santa can cram the right one up his runny asshole, you little cluster-fucked, inbred, peter-beater. I hope you drown in a sea of sailor's cum before you make another flash movie, you horrendous, down-syndrome-plagued, vaginal discharge."

See guys? Tom doesn't want you to write stuff like that.

I don't know if he whant you to write that or not, he just wants to be sure people who read it won't think it has any relevance. Like, if you say the guy's skills suck, but you review was voted/ said to be (or watever) completely useless and untrue, it will encourage people to still watch the movie.
But I know you know that and that you just wanted to write a very entertaining text...
HEY! THAT'S AN IDEA! A NEWGROUNDS INSULT FORUM WHERE PEOPLE WHO CAN NO LONGER BASH ON OTHER PEOPLE'S STUFF IN THEIR REVIEW CAN PUT THEIR CREATIVITY TO INSULT AN IMAGINARY PERSON. THIS WOULD RESULT IN A LOT OF VERY FUNNY STUFF!
Like, come on, every one know Tom Green's jokes are stupid as hell, but he still gets people laughing...

wtf? my post was posted twice? I think it's because I press "Post it" but then, realized I didn't review it,so I immediately pressed the "Stop" button. I guesse it still posted it. Sorry for this.

Good, very good. Now, it seems some people are getting annoyed by the abundance of rules on NG and the severity of the repercussions on assholes. Well...

First off, NG has had to make more rules over the years because of its ever-growing user base. As more people came in, more (negative term of your choice, might I suggest buttpeople)have come also. At one point, so many came that it actually made an impact, a very negative impact, so, now there are rules to deal with their abuse. Nice people should not be afraid of them (the rules) because they only punish those who are nasty ( insert negative term again). BTW, you DO fall in that category if you have hired your little sister to vote 0 on every NG entry for you when you're at school, or when you write stupid and nasty reviews to authors just for the sake of doing so and because you think you're funny/clever.
Don't forget that NG gives you rights, but with rights also come responsability. You have the right to vote on any movies, but you have the responsability of using this power responsably. You do have the right to review movies, or wright a BBS post, but please, be smart enough to not litter Newgrounds with your crap.
Example:For all those of you who don't know what happened in France during the elections, here's a recap:
During the elections, former president Chirac was the leading candidate by far. In the campaign for presidency, ran another guy, Jean-Marie LePen, who was almost a Nazi.It seemed he didn't have much of a chance. No one knows what happenned then, but LePen actually came 2nd! People freaked out! On the second vote ( it works like that in France) Chirac won by far, indicating that perhaps people had not been voting responsably on their first vote, thinking Chirac would win anyways.
You see kids, that'a what happens when you don't use your power to vote responsably. They almost had a Nazi for president!
( By the way, I know LePen was not that bad and that it might have been the people's actual choice, but c'mon, work with me on this one!)

The repercussions are very severe, not because the people cause a lot of damage ( they do cause some, but not that much...) but because we are all tired of bastards now. There are enough all around the world or in the streets, so, NG fans should not have to endure those people.

As for the new system, I think its perfect. Some people might think the author should be able to delete reviews, but that wouldn't work because some people would delete all the bad reviews and keep only the ones who gave them 10. The new system alows everyone to see all the reviews and enables the author to report excessive cases, just like the whistle. I don't see this as a voting system, I see it as a new whistle. Don't be afraid to write reviews, because if the author constantly reports minor cases, he'll be ignored. ( I hope)

Good Job Computer-Zombie-Liljim

At 2/9/03 10:09 PM, SteveZarebski wrote: Tom hey man what is this new feature going to be called and what will it do also glad to see Pico 2 coming along nicely when do you think you will have it out by?

I ain't no Tom Fulp, but maybe I could try to give you an answer.
New name: you'll see when it's released, it's a surprise and a damn good one.
Pico2: As soon as it's finished.
No, it's okay, you can thank me later...

Well, much speculation there is about this new music-related section. The most obvious guess is a Sound Portal. Maybe something commercial, like: sell your Flash/clips. Ng radio? good idea! That would replace the long-lost main page music. But wouldn't that be an enormous task to make work?
Tutorials are good also. Extremely good.

I'll definately send you something. Although, I'm not sure why I'm writing it here. Let's think about it: you don't know me, so, even if you read this message, and I don't send you something by Friday, you won't remember I promised I'd enter. If I do send you something and I do get selected, well, good for me. I wouldn't have mattered that I wrote something. But now that I have said that, maybe you'll actually remember I said I would enter ( because my text is so brilliantly written...)and then, if I don't send you anything, you'll write my name down on you people to kill ( or maybe just people to hate) list and I would have been better to write nothing at all on the subject.
So, It's like this: I'm more stupid to write I'm going to enter than I'd be if I simply entered without announcing it.
But now that I do realize this, I can simply not post this message and still have the option of not entering at all, but since I already spent time writting this, it would be foolish to discard it simply to avoid having to take time to do a picture.
So now, I come to a dilemma: do I erase this and admit I wasted time or do I post it and then take the chance that I might not draw anything. If I choose the first option, and draw something anyways, I'll have "wasted" even more total time with this Beebo thing. Since I actually think I'll do something, I'd be better to post this.

At 2/9/03 07:27 PM, ryu12 wrote:

At 2/9/03 07:12 PM, beachboy212 wrote: cool..im first

you are not first, as you can see VGDC is above you making you second dumbass!

I think you misunderstood what he meant when he said he was "first". He doesn't mean he's the first to post OR replie, it means he's the first one to write that he's the first one to reply. It's the same for all the people who reply on the P-Bot post.
Wow, and all this time, you though they where writing that simply because they where proud to be the first to write a reply to a post.

Hey, has anyone seen some unfinished movies and games on NG lately? Maybe in the... graveyard...
Alright, I'm not that dumb, I know Randy is a good Flash author, but I think putting half-finished stuff on a website is just cruel. Imagine if someone liked where it was going! They could suffer from the " I wannahavepico2nowdamnit" syndrome and their lives would be ruined. Sad.
Well, you know, expect people to request the completion of these projects. You'll be in a tight spot: if you don't finish these movies, you'll be evil, and if you do, you'll be overworked and bored. Also sad.

Oh well, good luck with that, and don't forget to enter in the Beebo contest, I'd love to see your face in a Beebo movie. And Tom's. And Wade. And maybe mine...

While we're talking about stolen content, any news on the wistle? Since it's been there, we had no news of how well or how often people were using it. Is it really making a difference? Are there many users who don't use it properly?
And since someone brought it up, you should really consider selling stuff autographed by the NG crew, that would be very cool!

That is Harsh! I remember yesterday, there was like 2-3 Ganguro Girl hack submissions! I think the guy(s) who did this should order at leat 200 stickers to be forgiven! No, 300! And they'd have to send a very embarassing picture of themselves using the stickers in ways they weren't meant to be used...
I know you've (Newgrounds) received a couple of warning letters from different companies telling you to remove some content ( like Ortiz's Robocob tribute), but was Newgrounds ever threatened because a little prick stole a movie from a big website?
Well, in any case, it's better to prevent it from happening than having to deal with it once it's to late.

At 2/5/03 09:33 PM, rvyn wrote:

Every time the new week's best flashes are put into the top 20 list, they are also put into the All time list. I find this mildly annoying because new films suddenly and very quickly get into the top 50, knocking down the old and longstanding flashes from the top 50, and giving them only a week to make it back up to the top (only to be knocked down again).

I have noticed that also. It's been a few weeks now that the 3 or 4 top movie of the top 20 of the week always replace the top 3-4 of the all time list. I remenber when console wars2 came out, it got a crazy score of over 4.2! Before that, movies in the top 50 had score of under 3.9! Now, people seem to either have less taste or getting more generous with their votes.
I think it might be that flashes are getting better and better every week... Not. It seems that, as soon as a movie makes it to the top 50, it is knocked down to a more normal score, but their score is still higher than those of the very good things that where knocked down before, i.e Alien Hominid and Domo-Kun's Angry Smashfest. In my opinion, stuff like this deserves to stay on the top of the list so they can be appreciated by all. Come on, even Heroes of Cybertron isn't on the list anymore.
You are right also about the votes being inflated. A bunch of users with respectalbe voting powers can raise or lower the score ( usually raise) of any new movie they like, but it would take a mighty lot of people to change the score of something like Hentai: Simgirl or Heroes of Cybertron. This king of movie was didn't have crazy scores ( but still on top of the top 50) when they where at the peek of their popularity, so now, a score of 3.75 that was extremely good a year ago won't even get a movie in the top 50.
Another thing this does is make the top 50 easier to access. Come on, Willy Short? Dark Side Switch Campaign? I'd be stupid to say they suck, but they don't deserves a spot in the top 50. If I'd make a movie now, and it would get in the top 50, I'd be very proud of myself, but, maybe a little less.
One good thing it does though, is make Newgrounds more "alive". I remenber, back in the Days, it was a good while before the number1 movie changed! There was like Street life, then Heroes of Cybertron, then Final Task, then Star Wars Gangsta Rap, then Xiao Xiao. From there it just started to rotate faster.

In short: Newer movies get a Higher score than they used to which rotates the top 50 more often, but maybe fills it with less good movies than it should and it Knock Down the Classics.

Your solutions seem decent, more the first one, but I don't know if it would work. Maybe we could try. I think it would be fun to make the top 50 a top 100, since quality Flash has been colected over years, it would be fair to showcase more of them that are now "lost" in the portal dephts.

What do other people think?
We might as well use this half-Dead BBS Post to think about that.

At 2/3/03 10:01 AM, MMK wrote: Another Idea in relation to Phoenix points.

Any movie that is ressurrected through phoenix points automatically removes any blam points earned.That why you force people to think about what they blam or not.

Author should definately have the power to remove reviews, without any form of control. I think that people who are good enough to make Flash that stays on the portal are smart enough to use review-deoletion in a smart way.
Author should also get experience points for anthing that is submitted and that stays. Well, maybe... You see, as with Blam/Protection points, I'm pretty sure crap authors would submit twice as much shit every day to get points. I, for one wouldn't complain.
Authors though should never get the power to ressurecr crap that has been blammed. If it was blammed, it's for a reason. Authors can always resubmit their work if they feel they have improved their skills enough for their work to stay on the portal.

At 2/2/03 02:16 PM, Evil_Kodiak wrote: And maybe.. just maybe.. if your putting 150+ hours into something and it turns out to be shit.. on NG then maybe its because you put too much work into it.

You can't overwork a Flash, it's purely impossible! The worst thing that could ever happen to anyone who put more time into a Flash is getting a better result. You analogy with logs doesn't work because every piece of Flash is different. I'd compare it more to you having a tree to have to cut down, and hiring two different people to cut it, giving them the choice between many different tools. In the end, it comes down to the person who can use the tools at his disposal in the smartest most effective way.

And I don't know if it's better to make 10 acceptable Flashes in the same time it would take to make one great Flash movie or game. And how much can you actually improve if all you do is tiny little pieces of Flash.

...... oups, that's "being an art student, I understan..."