At 10/10/09 12:37 AM, Dawnslayer wrote:
The reason I'm so specific about all this is because a boot-camp setup (which seems to be what you're proposing)
It's not.
At 10/10/09 08:14 PM, Brick-top wrote:
You suggested sending kids (with an unknown age or physical/mental health) to fat camp.
You'll know by the time you send them.
The link showed it was the elderly who are higher on the obesity scale.
No shit, unchecked obesity gets worse every year on top of the human metabolism slowing down with age.
So, your idea is flawed. Even if the concept of sending people to camps were viable, it would be older people who would be sent.
You can't force adults to do anything in this society, that's the entire point on which this thread hinges.
With kids you have the unique opportunity of forcing them to go and they can't say shit.
You are the one who must work out all the problems if you are the originator.
Nope.
That's why you hire experts.
When your concept is passed, 41 million people will (by law) need to visit the doctor. Will it be on the same day? How will you coordinate that many people? And when did you earlier say it was annual?
Actually it's more than that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic s_of_the_United_States#Age_structure
Obviously it's not the 0-19 age range that's being targetted. More like the 10-16 range.
Anyway not all kids will need to see the doctor. Each year you'd have a school-wide fitness evaluation with weight taken and any kid over a 30 BMI goes.
If you think the health system can't handle that strain now, what makes you think it can handle the tenfold strain of those kids being obese in adulthood later on?
Ultimately, any way you look at it, it will reduce doctor visits in the long run.
But here's a fun question, how many injuries are caused in gyms?
A bunch? So what?
If you train wrong or too hard, you'll get injured. Too bad.
Diabetes can also be caused by age, pregnancy, toxins, diseases etc etc etc.
And obesity.
And obesity.
And obesity.
Oh yes, this new service is doing quite well.
Maybe you can speak to this girl.
My point wasn't that anti-smoking bans, laws campaigns etc AREN'T working, my point is that is that after 40 years, smoking still is the top cause of death. That's not acceptable. It's completely ridiculous in fact.
If you don't want a repeat of this with obesity, you need to act NOW and use hardass measures. Or else, it'll take 40 years starting FROM TODAY. Millions of lives, billions of dollars shat down the drain because people are pussies.
You said BMI tests are a good indicator
Yes it's a pretty good indicator. The only time it fails is when you put BODYBUILDERS into the equation, which is the standard "ha-haw BMI is stupid" argument.
Kids aren't bodybuilders. BMI will give you accurate reading 99.9999999999% of the time on them.
Plus, you send them to the doctor afterwards anyway.
Roughly 24% of Americas (united states) population (24% of 300 million is 72 million) would require placement (depending on who qualifies).
Since we're targeting kids 10-16 AT MOST, that's already less than 24% of the total population.
And about 1/3 of them would have to go based on current stats.
That's probably more around 6-7 million kids. 10 times less than your estimate.
I don't know how many kids actually already go to camp during summer, but remember that you'd deduce them from the total of "new camps needed" too. Let's say none go, that's still 7 million campers.
How many treadmills will there be in each camp? 10 people per treadmill, that would make it 10 treadmills per campe.
Uh yeah read the thread. Oh fuck it: camps aren't gyms or lodges in the woods. They'd mostly be based in leased school gyms, which tons of camps already do anything.
And parents would front part of the bill combined with government. Not to mention that this is a one-time cost that carries over every year you run the program and that could be 20 years easily.
Again, PEANUTS.
That costs over three and a half billion.
Even that would be nothing. Absolutely ridiculously low. Ten times that would not even be too much. You'll probably save one hundred times that money in 20 years EASY.
This program doesn't COST money, it MAKES money.
You really haven't thought this through have you?
I have. You just haven't read the rest of the thread. Half your points have been answered already.
I forgot to mention, in the UK schools send children to work for 2 weeks to gain experience. They may get some minor rewards but they're not entitled to any payment whatsoever.
Great, who cares?
If I were honest, I'd rather work a job that gives me spending money.
Then quit being fat.
Healthy weight loss is 1-2 pounds per week.
If someone is 60lbs overweight, that would be 30 weeks. That's over 6 months in camp.
YOU KEEP DOING IT AFTER YOU LEAVE.
That's the entire point of the camp, to teach you how to do it on your own.
If you have to go back each year from the time you're 10 to the time you're 16 and STILL haven't learned, then you're on your own. Tough shit.
They have real lives to attend to, they can't spent the time you're suggesting in fat camp.
Yeah overweight 11 year old kids really have a lot of shit to get to during the summer.
If you're still in fat camp by the time you're 14, then it's your own dam fault. Too bad.
It's hilarious how no one seems to have picked up on the fact that we already force kids to do pretty much anything we want.
Such as?
LIKE GOING TO SCHOOL FOR 10 MONTHS OUT OF A YEAR FOR ROUGHLY 11 YEARS AT LEAST?
If you're going to not care about doing that, by what crazy insane twisted logic do you figure they shouldn't be made to go to fat camps?
All of a sudden they had shit to do that summer and you care? The other 10 months, it's not important if they want to do something like work at Applebee's, they can fuck off, but for those 2 months of summer, then it's suddenly the best argument ever?
Le lol
I said I lost weight because of my job.
You said it was anecdotal and according to stats it's not working.
My link shows work CAN have an effect on your weight.
No shit.
But MOST PEOPLE DON'T LOSE WEIGHT AT WORK. And most people AREN'T LOSING WEIGHT and most people DON'T WANT TO WORK AT THE MEAT PACKING PLANT.
Remember kids, if you disagree with me, take a few moments to find out why you're wrong.
You lost weight, YOU ARE AN EXCEPTION. ( if you manage to actually keep it off ).