At 10/28/09 03:39 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:

True. But that does not mean for a CERTAINTY he's absent, it just means we can find no evidence right now otherwise.

Yes but you do understand why something like bigfoot or the Loch Ness monster are exceptions to the rule of "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" right?

At 10/27/09 01:37 AM, Gobblemeister wrote:

To see a man just escape a car crash alive by a hair, one cannot truly believe this happens by chance when you hear of it so often.

There are so many things wrong, insane and nonsensical about this statement and this idea in general that I can't possibly imagine you as a thinking person.

First and foremost the fact that THE GUY IS IN A FUCKING CAR CRASH. What is this bullshit? You're amazed that a disaster wasn't WORSE? Wow, the Titanic sank, but some people survived! What a miracle!
Oh wait, no, it was a horrible tragedy. A giant boat sank, dragging hundreds to an icy cold death. That's not a miracle, that's the plot to a Michal Bay movie.

If you're in a car crash, you're already unluckier than everyone else who ISN'T. The fact that you survive it doesn't make you lucky. It's like having to eat a hamburger made of poo but not catching a disease. Are you lucky? No, you just ate a sandwich of shit.

By your logic, you should be amazed by anyone just standing around not constantly getting shot at by aliens and/or mauled by bears.

At 10/27/09 12:54 PM, fatape wrote:

I think what happens is what was ultimaly going to happen all along, what I do still influences the universe , however what I do is predictable.

You wouldn't say that a toaster chose to toast. Why do you pretend that you're special and chose anything?
The laws that govern a toaster govern you as well. You never had the choice to do anything you ever did just like the toaster never had the choice to do what it did.

In determinism, you have the same choices as a rock or a little piece of poop dangling from an elephant's anus.

not if we can change the way humans think somehow

See, you don't get it. You don't understand what determinism is :o

I say that anyone who doesn't want to live for as long as possible has no imagination and deserves to die.

If there is no free will, think of what is actually at stake for, say, the USA.
The entire US constitution is null and void.

What's the point of letting people do their "pursuit of happiness" thing when the outcome of that search is already determined? They will either get it or not without them having anything to do with it.

What's the point of debates, elections, laws, trials etc. when their outcome was predicted before the sun was formed and before the first dinosaur walked the earth?

The role of humans in this machine is already determined: we are little puppets doomed to think our decisions shape the world when in fact it is the opposite. That's how we're made and we don't have a choice but to act out this program. We have the impression of free will. We don't have a choice. We're a robot programmed by the universe to think that we have no program and we make all decisions for ourselves.

We are irrevocably doomed to live this way and to interact with each other as if we all made decisions willingly.

At 10/26/09 08:39 PM, Elfer wrote:

What's going to end up confusing even MORE people is the fact that there are several important exceptions to that rule.

For instance: Bigfoot.

The absence of evidence for him is PRETTY good evidence of his absence.
Sadly.

I think the phrase is "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".

That just gets more confusing the more your read it.

At 10/26/09 03:23 PM, ReiperX wrote: We worked really hard.

BOO
FRICKIN
HOO

People in the entertainment industry need to realize they're lucky to even be able to live off of this. You worked hard? Aaaaw tough shit, there's people who worked harder than you mining coal and growing crops who deserve my 10$ a lot more than your dumb ass and your guitar.

I'm in debt, Paul's in debt and it's just the way it is, and we're fine with that.

That's what happens when you choose a shitty career.

And you are stealing if you are illegally downloading music, videos, whatever.

If I had the magic powers to grow corn with my dick, would you stop me just because it's like I'm stealing the corn from people who are growing some somewhere else?

If you want the industry to continue, then buy what you think is good. If not, the industry is going to shut down because it's can't afford to continue.

I WISH THAT INDUSTRY WOULD EXPLODE.
It's rotten and mismanaged. It's a shitburger. When it crumbles, artists will respark it from the web and it will be under a different model.

For too long people in the entertainment industry have though they were somehow ENTITLED to tons of cash and a living. No. You're not entitled to shit. Entertainment is not a real job. And that's what I want to do for a living and I fully admit it.

Anyone who makes any money doing this should thank his lucky stars and stop feeling entitled to shit and should not be demanding that the government jail people for not throwing fistfuls of money their way because they want to listen to a song.

Things like Youtube and the internet in general have completely destroyed that model. Good riddance.

If you want to work in that industry, work on a medium that can't be reproduced with a desktop computer.

And now a list of analogies:

- We should ban the printing press because it puts scribes out of work
- We should close down factories because artisans can't make barrels and glass bottles as fast as a machine
- We should arrest people for humming a song to someone else who hasn't bought a copy of the album the song is on

Fuck those assholes, fuck their advertising and fuck their shitty-ass television shows, boy bands and teenage pop stars. IT'S OVER.

YOU LOSE, RECORDING INDUSTRY.

I wonder how many billions of dollars they're giving to politicians all over the world just to get to make their crazy useless laws. I bet a sizable portion of the money they make is used in bribes and campaign funding.

And now just you wait until people start owning those 3D printing machines. That's coming in the next few decades. Machines that allow you to print out solid 3d objects. What are those assholes going to do them? I can't print a certain design because they said so?
Fuck em'

hahahaha
I should lock this but... ... later

Well a lot of things happened that forced me to go back home. Sorry thread.
Did you know: not moving at all is the equivalent of smoking a pack of cigarette a day on your health?

If you're fat, smoke a lot, drink a lot of coffee and never move around, you're as good as dead by the time you hit your 50s and 60s. Enjoy life you fat sack of shit.

At 10/19/09 09:37 PM, ImaSmartass2 wrote: Pox, what is you stance on legislature for people who have Chronic Obesity?

That's not a disease. All obesity can be cured the same way: eat less, move more. Anyone who tells you different doesn't know shit.

- Ran a marathon
- Met Arnold Schwarzenegger and has dinner with him
- Visited 43 countries
- Had a comet named after me
- Lost my virginity 5 times
- Acquired 23 patents
- Made my first million
- Was nominated for a daytime Emmy
- Had risen to Sergeant in the US army
And best for last:
- Finished Zelda: The Ocarina of time 2 times in one month

So what have YOU done, huh?

At 10/19/09 03:52 PM, Ass-Crumb wrote: You're a fucking retard.

Celery plus Peanut Butter = Greatest vegetable condiment combination

How I can prove it's false: celery is basically water.
Peanut butter in glass of water = gross

Therefore I win.

That's what I ate and it was horrible. It was terrible... I want to vomit now.
I feel seriously ill.

GROSS

They should outlaw celeri. What a useless disgusting plant. I think it's only use is to market Cheeze Whiz as food.

At 10/19/09 12:03 PM, Proteas wrote:

You put vanity and social value over health, dude. What's there to comprehend?

You could definitely sue the government for not teaching you how to read properly.

You know, opting out? As in, giving the parents the ability to say "No, I don't want to pay to send my kid to this camp, thank you very much." You're program starts at 10 and goes through 16, and until I threw your own British Program argument back in your face, you had a "tough shit, you're going, your paying for it, regardless of results" attitude.

What are you talking about?
Are you talking about a kid's right to opt out or the right for parents to not send their kids?
Kids can't stop going until they're 16 ( or whatever the dropout age is where they live since it varies state-by-state), which I've made painfully clear since page one.
Parents can send their kids to whatever camp they want, as long as they send them to one. I've also made this extremely clear throughout this topic.

Interesting. I distinctly remember you putting forth an argument that this system would save billions in healthcare costs in the future as the current generation of fat people die off

The current generation of fat people will die off REGARDLESS OF WHAT ANYONE DOES.
I never said there was no help for them or that no program should be created.

I just don't give a shit.

Anyway I'm done with this.
I hope you get smarter one of these days, maybe we can have a real debate.

At 10/18/09 03:46 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

I don't think anything Christ taught was a result from delusions.

Jesus was messiah/ prophet/ magician / guru/ witch doctor etc.
His schtick was going around mooching off people in return for words and magic tricks. One of the oldest jobs in the world.

Step 1: convince people you have some kind of power
step 2: Ask for anything you want in the form of donations
step 3: Echo what your target group thinks about politics/ life / morals

Seems fairly easy. Also always avoid confronting critics directly. What you want to do is not enter debate with them but brand them as "beneath you" and "pity" them as poor lost souls. That works really well on stupid people.

At 10/18/09 10:02 PM, Proteas wrote: English lesson from an American; "you're" is a contraction, consisting of the words "you" and "are."

Oh my god.

You argued an arbitrary cultural standard, pox. Doesn't that strike you just as a little bit... odd?

You have SEVERE reading comprehension problems.

Yeah, yelling at a kid because he's fat and sad you screwed up his next 5 summers. GO YOU!!!

Again welcome to the Straw Man world of Proteas where suddenly disciplining a kid because he's a troublemaker is equated to yelling at him because he's a fat failure.

I was EXTREMELY CLEARLY talking about the choice of dropping out.

Only after you were shown how the British people who idolize you allow people to opt out of their program. Before that, you're attitude was "tough shit" all throughout this topic.

More nonsense. The British program is NEVER mandatory so it doesn't compare in this respect. Second I've mentioned several times what the cutoff age would be.

quote from me: "Yeah once you're 16, you're free from the fat camps. Congrats."

PAGE ONE

I never said this would be the only measure taken.

Actually, you as good as did.

No, never.

Which brings me back to the previous point; what's going to happen when all the fat adults in this nation you think just need to be forced to lose the weight are going to be left to die

How are they going to be left to die? There's tons of program for them already, you just can't force them just like you can't force smokers to quit smoking but you can ban kids from buying smokes and smoking anywhere in public.

At 10/18/09 06:57 PM, ImaSmartass2 wrote:

Obvious trying to make them loose weight won't save any money.

Ok just so we're clear, you're talking about some kind of disease or condition that makes people fat no matter what?

Which doesn't exist as far as I know.

At 10/18/09 06:25 PM, TheStonePilot wrote: Something you need, no matter what your profession is.

4000 years ago, you were lucky as shit to know how to read.
Scratch that, 400 years ago you were lucky.

Looks like we got by just fine. Education is about raising our standards of living and so is attaining health through whatever means. A fat population is an unhealthy population with a shittier standard of living.

Whatever, the social change will make itself eventually. One day it will be looked down upon to be fat just like it is looked down upon today to not be able to read. We pity those people and rightfully so.

I'd say that people who believe in free will don't really have any idea what free will is.
Like people who believe the bible is a great source of insight probably haven't read it.

And now for a funny quote by Christopher Hitchens:
"Free will is contradictory because, after all, you don't have a CHOICE to have free will!".

Haha.

At 10/17/09 11:42 PM, Proteas wrote:

He was talking about you, dude, asking if you were trolling.

haahahahah
Here's an English lesson from a french-canadian:

"I hope you're just trolling pox, though."=== YOU'RE TROLLING
"I hope you're just trolling, pox, though."== I AM

Observe:

I hope you killed Bob!
I hope you killed, Bob!

It's simple; you mentioned cultural standards and physical beauty.

I said it's something people want. That doesn't mean it's the only thing they want or the thing they want most.
Logic lesson #592452:

"Bob wants a couch"
Does this mean:

A. Bob wants a couch
B. Bob wants nothing but a couch
C. Bob wants nothing more than a couch

Than answer may surprise you!

Do school administrators go out of their way to systematically alienate kids like they do in your fat camp system? I don't think so.

All I said it they'd discipline trouble kids. It's the exact same in every school that's ever existed.

It's the exact same for school you dimwit.

You can live in today's society without a computer, you can't without a basic education. So no, they are not the same thing.

English lesson #2:
It's the exact same FOR school".
That means SOMETHING is the exact same both for camp and for school. That doesn't mean both school and camp are the same in every respect.

I was EXTREMELY CLEARLY talking about the choice of dropping out. This is the 3rd post in a row where I tell you that you can drop out of camp just at the same time you can drop out of school whatever that age is where you live.

You do realize that with the numbers you've cited, you've doubled the government expenditure for healthcare on the obese,

What? I don't even know they spend anything on the obese. What numbers do you base this claim on?

yet are only focusing on the kids?

I never said this would be the only measure taken.
All this topic is about is how you can actually force kids to go to a fat camp whereas you can't force adults. You can't make a mandatory fat camp for adults.

There's a lot of other things the government can do to help adults but they have to do it voluntarily. Unlike kids.

Yeah I think we all know why we care about breast cancer more.

At 10/17/09 10:36 AM, snapper5 wrote: An IQ test? pah, those things don't mean shit

Yeah that's sort of debatable.

I think the consensus is that the higher you get, the less it's meaningful.
I think the guy with the highest ever recorded IQ is working as a bouncer in some club.

Basically, with the kinds of questions that are asked on those tests, a computer would beat any human easily.

But generally, someone perceived as "smart" will have a high IQ. There's not really any people with a 70 IQ going around winning Nobel Chemistry prizes.

As long as you've above a certain number, you're smart enough where 60 extra points don't really make a difference. That number probably being around the 120-130 mark.

In other words: The difference between 70 and 90 is huge, the difference between 100 and 120 is big and the difference between 140 and 200 is almost irrelevant :o

At 10/17/09 12:11 PM, Fuoco wrote:

I hope you're just trolling pox, though. You can't possibly mean that.

Oh no, he's for real.
He's been like this for years.

At 10/16/09 01:11 AM, poxpower wrote: It's an indisputable truth of modern culture. Everyone wants to be thin and muscular. No one wants to be a fat sack of lard.
The only time I make mention of body image is when I say what people want to look like.

Which means you place more value on the way people look over the way they are.

No.
I can't even understand how anyone could read that into that quote.

Every second that passes by I am more convinced that you are in a closed room where someone is spray-painting a giant mural.

Doing it six summers in a row? That's abuse.

Far less than 10 years of school which starts even earlier and lasts 5 times as long.
Also that's not what "abuse" means.

You're forcing someone who can't and won't do the work to keep attending your camp over and over again, and in the end when they don't get the superficial results you want them to have, you just throw your hands up and go "oh well, sucks to be you" and leaving the parents and the government stuck with the bill.

Yeah how is that any different than school? 30% dropout rate, government funded, costs parents money, forced on kids, many kids can't and don't want to do the work and are forced to even REPEAT grades or attend summer classes.
School sounds far worse than fat camp.

You're forcing a system on people, nobody is forcing you to buy a computer.

It's the exact same for school you dimwit. If you have no money, you go to a shitty underfunded public school. If you have tons of money, you're sent to an upscale private school.

That's not racist, that's capitalism.

Anyway I'm done arguing this point. Take it up with Elfer.

Kids can't drop out of school until a certain age, which is the exact same for the camp program as I have mentioned about 5-6 times by now.

The point remains; they can drop out if they want, they can't with your program.

I just said they can. You're replying to a sentence that says the opposite of what you're claiming. At least wait a page until you start fabricating your nonsense.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=
D9BBPL3O0&show_article=1&catnum=9

Basically this bus driver got suspended for 1 day because he wore a pink necktie in honor of breast cancer awareness month. I assume that they have a strict dress code so that was a violation.

The company revised their policy of course.

---

So, what do you think about this? Should we start making a giant catalog of all the clothe exceptions for every occasion?

Do you think a company is justified in not allowing this? Or do you think it's better for every company to just make up their own rules and if you're an employee, you follow them without question?

The guy said he was MORE justified in wearing it because "he has had a number of relatives who have battled cancer". Do you think that's a good reason?

At 10/17/09 11:02 AM, Proteas wrote: If you're to tired from being over weight to work out, then the desire to work out and lose the weight isn't going to be there.

Just because you're too lazy to work at something you want doesn't mean you don't want it anymore.

Yes, you did. "Trim and muscular" over "fit and healthy,"

I'm ctrl+F ing this topic and nowhere can I find me saying this.
Where is it?

This is about the 10th time where you say "hey you said blablabla" which I never said and you don't back it up with a simple quote from this topic.

The only time I make mention of body image is when I say what people want to look like. Everyone wants to look buff, that's what I said when you were droning on about how fat people don't want to lose weight ( which means you think they want to be fat basically )

If that's the way you handle the kids who don't/won't/can't lose weight, that's systematic abuse,

No, it's not abuse.
Putting a kid in detention is not abuse. Yelling at a kid in class is not abuse. Putting a kid in the corridor is not abuse. Calling their parents is not abuse.

STOP HUFFING PAINT BEFORE YOU REPLY TO ME.

You're stuck in a run down school all summer trying to lose weight with NO EQUIPMENT while the rich kids get the option of going somewhere else, all because your parents don't make enough to qualify.

Yeah, again: welcome to America.
WHAT SO IF I DON'T HAVE MONEY I CAN'T BUY THE LATEST COMPUTER? WHAT IS THIS? THAT'S RACISM SINCE BLACK PEOPLE HAVE LESS MONEY SO MICROSOFT IS RACIST AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE!

Fuck it Elfer already shat on you for this I'm not going on.

No it isn't, it's you grasping for straws because you're running out of things to say at this point. Kids drop out of school because they want to, they can't do that in your program.

Kids can't drop out of school until a certain age, which is the exact same for the camp program as I have mentioned about 5-6 times by now.
The cutoff age is 16. That's the same age as when you can drop out of school. If that depends on a province of state, then the age for dropping out of camp will always be the same as dropping out of school.

How can I fully understand the system when you have been constantly revising this system all throughout this topic to suit whatever point you want to be right about at that moment?

You blatantly DON'T READ WHAT I WRITE.
It's painfully clear. Just using Ctrl+F anwers about 95% of your questions each post you make.

At 10/17/09 04:10 AM, TheStonePilot wrote:

Hm, forced to go for a period of time... unable to leave... disciplined..

That sounds like a school.
In other news: you are fucking retarded.

At 10/17/09 12:41 AM, TheStonePilot wrote: what is basically a prison camp

Maybe you should have googled what fat camps are before posting and having me roll my eyes at you.

At 10/17/09 12:34 AM, Proteas wrote:

At 10/16/09 01:26 PM, poxpower wrote:

they don't have the desire to lose the weight.

Let's use another example.
Proteas, do you want to have more money?
"yes!"
So why aren't you doing everything you can to get more money?
Why aren't you reading books about making money? Why aren't you fake-investing in stock markets to see how you do? Why aren't you studying tax laws and banks to see how you can save money?

Because it's HARD, time-consuming and seems like a really huge impossible task when you have no experience doing it.

That's weight loss.

You put physical image over physical health, dude. Shame on you.

Never once did I say the goal of the camp would be to turn the kids into super-athletes or fitness trainers. Nowhere did I ever mention that the kids would be shown that the real goal of weight loss is to look good.
In fact almost all of my arguments in this topic so far have been dedicated to the health repercussions of being obese.

You wanted to talk numbers.
YOU WANTED.

And now I'm discussing the reality of it.

No you're not, you're still talking nonsense.
All you just did was post "yes I totally am" followed by 4 lines of irrelevant insults.

This is your clever way of never having to discuss this point again, instead derailing the conversation to something pointless.

Yet you're going to let the camp counselors yell at the kids, call and let the parents yell at the kids (with the threats of ass beatings), and then just ignore them for the rest of the summer letting them repeat the whole process again next summer. Yeah, lots of fun you've got planned for these kids.

That was the response to overly rowdy and misbehaving kids, it's not the camp program you brainless mental midget.

Oh yeah, you're also going to have this all based on pre-existing facilities, not camps out in the woods where they might be able to enjoy things liking hiking, canoeing, horseback riding, or other camp like things.

Like I said, if you have money, send them wherever you want.
If you don't have money, at least your kid has easy access to help.

Wow, they've spent 10+ years in school getting yelled at and now they don't even have a diploma! CONGRATULATIONS, SCHOOL PROGRAM YOU HAVE CREATED MILLIONS OF PSYCHOPATHS.

Who's committing strawman, now?

YOU THIS IS YOUR ARGUMENT TURNED BACK ON YOU.
Apparently you realize it's completely insane when used against you but you don't see why it's crazy when you use it.

Because your system is crap, dude.

You've shown repeatedly that you don't have the faintest clue what the system would be.

- Huge, tall, buff, big eyes, brownish skin, clothes lighter than skin...
Late at night in a paranoid redneck's room...

Yes I think I see what happened there.

At 10/16/09 12:55 PM, Proteas wrote:

At 10/16/09 12:18 PM, poxpower wrote: All things that can be taught in a fat camp.

Except for one thing; the desire to become better.

That's an innate trait in all humans.
It's like saying you can't imagine being able to impart a desire to jerk-off to 14 year-old boys.

If there is no desire to do it (as the ever increasing trends in obesity in this country surely would indicate)

You've just completely ignored all the reasons I've posted, haven't you?

You did with "skinny and musclar" over "fit and healthy." You were fixated with what a healthy person looks like over how they actually are

No, I never did.
All I said is that it's what everyone wants to achieve I never said being ripped is optimal for health.

This is people we're talking about, not savings accounts.

You wanted to talk numbers.
YOU WANTED.

You couldn't believe this would be financially doable.

(you've never said a word about your camps being fun)

Yes I have. Many times. Pages 1,2 and 5 not to mention the links I've posted linking to such camps with a detailed description that always include an emphasis on fun, encouragment and self-esteembuilding as well as the other things.

Do you see what I'm getting at, now?

Yes you should open a straw man factory. You'd make millions.
But you'd probably have to quit huffing gasoline every 20 minutes because straw is pretty flammable so that might be a dangerous habit to keep.

Even if you succeeded with a nigh-impossible 80% success rate, there are still going to be those kids that fall through the cracks

There's a 30% dropout rate for school in the U.S.
Wow, they've spent 10+ years in school getting yelled at and now they don't even have a diploma! CONGRATULATIONS, SCHOOL PROGRAM YOU HAVE CREATED MILLIONS OF PSYCHOPATHS.

We should definitely abolish schools. By your very own logic, they're turning 30% of kids into bad elements by letting them fail.

Notice that you didn't even wait to know either the success rate of the program or suggest that it can be improved. You just straight-out went "wow look at that so many kids would just fail at it, we should shut this baby down before the nation explodes!".