At 11/1/09 12:04 AM, Elfer wrote:

It's like finding a computer on an alien planet, and having this conversation:
P1: Hmm, that's weird, I wonder why this computer is here.
P2: Well, obviously it was put here by a bigger, more complicated computer that existed before this one
P1: Well, where did that computer come from then?
P2: NOT IMPORTANT.

Wow Elfer, you're so stupid! It's quite obvious that the bigger computer was always there! It makes sense because HEY LOOK OVER THERE A NAKED CHICK!

At 10/31/09 02:05 PM, RubberTrucky wrote:

But if I were to choose for a leaded die, my choice should not be affected by physics of the outside world.

Huuuh... why?

At 10/30/09 05:33 PM, riemannSum wrote:

At 10/30/09 02:58 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 10/30/09 02:02 PM, riemannSum wrote:

To make some

Explain.

If you spend money developing and promoting a meat substitute, you will make money.
Like the soy industry. KA-CHING

We're not putting an old crappy thing out of business. This isn't progress.

It's not strictly technological progress, but it's progress by almost every way people use to measure progress.

I eat as much meat as I can possibly get my hands on and I'm perfectly healthy.

Or I could have a nice diverse meal and spend a few extra dollars.

Well pick one: do you eat as much meat as possible or do you just eat a little meat with you meals?

If you're talking about the methane cows produce, I still don't care.

Raising farm animals is a more damageable form of agriculture than just about anything. Starting with the simple fact that to make 1 pound of beef you need to first grow 10 pounds of grain.

I have no reason to believe I'll have heart problems, diabetes, or obesity. On top of that I live a very active, physical lifestyle which requires I intake a large amount of calories and protein.

You could replace the meat with vegetables and pretty much be strictly better off.

Meat isn't poisonous or anything, it's just that the way it's part of people's lifestyles makes it one of the primary reasons why they get so fucked up. If you eat reasonable amounts you'll be fine obviously.

But the meat vs vegetable arguments pretty much all favor the vegan side. The only real reason you'd have for eating meat is because you like it and don't give a shit about the environment. Which is a good enough reason for me.

At 10/30/09 02:02 PM, riemannSum wrote:

Why spend the money?

To make some

now hundreds of thousands of jobs are out because you found a way to make animal harvesting unnecessary.

Boo hoo. That's how the world works: you invent something better than what exists and you put the people who did the old crappy thing out of business.
No one wept for the walkman or the cassette tape when MP3 players were invented.

Now, I still don't understand why we should give a shit about animals and how we treat them?

We shouldn't.
Animals are stupid.

But if you care about your health, then don't eat so many animals.
If you care about your wallet, don't eat so many animals.
If you want to save the earth for later destruction, don't eat so many animals.

Sparing animals from suffering is the least compelling reason to not eat them and the most promoted by dipshits like PETA.

Put a stack of studies that show a correlation between steak and hearth attacks in front of a person's fat diabetic face and you'll convince them way faster than by petting a chicken in front of them and dumping blood on celebrities. No one likes celebrities anyway >: (

Holy fuck you people are stupid.
It's like none of you read anything except the title of this thread.

First off, this doesn't have anything to do with time-travel. Seeing the past is not time travel.

Second, I don't think that light will just travel in a straight line all the way to you unaltered through 100 million lightyears of space. It depends what you're looking at but most likely your light will be bent, dissipated or blocked by something by the time it reaches whatever point you pick.

I don't really know enough about this to tell you what your planet would look like as seen from X lightyears away. Maybe it would work really well until X distance but then get blurry eventually, or shift towards red colors? Who knows.

My main point is: you guys are stupid.

I don't know why we don't eat cats and dogs.
There's so many in abandoned shelters that we just put down and dump in the garbage. You could feed thousands of homeless people with those cats and dogs.

But I sure as hell know why people don't keep cows as pets.
Or chickens. If you keep a chicken as a pet, you're a crazy person.

At 10/29/09 05:52 PM, ToddM wrote: Why do you guys care if music business people make money?

I don't care if they do make money but I also don't care if they DON'T make money.

It's not about the quality or the price of the products anymore. Anyone can get it for free. That's the bottom line. Offer me something that I can't get for free and then you'll make money. For instance, going to the movies. That is enjoyable because you're out with friends in a chair with a giant screen. That's not something you can download.

But why the fuck would I buy a DVD? Even for 50 cents. The hassle of going to the store to get it isn't even worth the trouble no matter how cheap they can make it.

Sell people things they want.
One great example is Magic: The Gathering cards. Look at how stupid a product it is: a game that comes in little 15 card packs. It costs almost nothing to make yet is worth a lot, costs a lot and makes people spend a lot. You simply can't replicate the cards themselves and play in tournaments but you can print copies of the cards and play at home or with friends for free.

See, they're not selling the IDEAS of the cards, they're selling the collectible aspect and rewarding you for having real cards by letting you play in tournaments.

If you want people to buy your movies and your shit, give them real incentives other than a pretty DVD box. Giving them "extra stuff" on the DVD is retarded as it can just be ripped. If it was me, I'd make a club where I'd sell people exclusive shit for buying / renting my things.
Free movie tickets? Free rentals? Free DVDS? Make it fun, make it worthwhile. Stop trying to sell me one DVD that costs 20 cents to make for 20 bucks AFTER your movie has already made 200 million bucks at the box office.

THIS JUST IN: RANTING KICKS ASS

At 10/29/09 03:02 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote: I'd still like to know why you'd want to live forever.

You know it's pretty hard to imagine a way for us to live forever with the universe collapsing eventually.
But I wouldn't mind being around a few extra thousand years.

They're just using their position at the top to bully people.
That's what it amounts to. They'll try to tug at your heart strings by saying how the poor set builder or makeup artist won't be able to make a living if you download movies while at the same time bagging records profits at the box office, dumping millions into the pockets of stars and taking giant bonuses and salaries.

They're businessmen, not artists and they want YOUR MONEY and the internet will make SURE they won't get it anymore. There is NOTHING they can do to stop it. They're just trying to milk it for as long as they possibly can.

Now it remains to be seen who will win out: the recording companies or the hardware manufacturers. You can bet your ass that they wouldn't have sold so many iPods if people couldn't pirate music. They'll probably form some kind of alliance. But IT'S STILL TOO LATE.
Hah. Eat shit.

At 10/28/09 03:39 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:

True. But that does not mean for a CERTAINTY he's absent, it just means we can find no evidence right now otherwise.

Yes but you do understand why something like bigfoot or the Loch Ness monster are exceptions to the rule of "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" right?

At 10/27/09 01:37 AM, Gobblemeister wrote:

To see a man just escape a car crash alive by a hair, one cannot truly believe this happens by chance when you hear of it so often.

There are so many things wrong, insane and nonsensical about this statement and this idea in general that I can't possibly imagine you as a thinking person.

First and foremost the fact that THE GUY IS IN A FUCKING CAR CRASH. What is this bullshit? You're amazed that a disaster wasn't WORSE? Wow, the Titanic sank, but some people survived! What a miracle!
Oh wait, no, it was a horrible tragedy. A giant boat sank, dragging hundreds to an icy cold death. That's not a miracle, that's the plot to a Michal Bay movie.

If you're in a car crash, you're already unluckier than everyone else who ISN'T. The fact that you survive it doesn't make you lucky. It's like having to eat a hamburger made of poo but not catching a disease. Are you lucky? No, you just ate a sandwich of shit.

By your logic, you should be amazed by anyone just standing around not constantly getting shot at by aliens and/or mauled by bears.

At 10/27/09 12:54 PM, fatape wrote:

I think what happens is what was ultimaly going to happen all along, what I do still influences the universe , however what I do is predictable.

You wouldn't say that a toaster chose to toast. Why do you pretend that you're special and chose anything?
The laws that govern a toaster govern you as well. You never had the choice to do anything you ever did just like the toaster never had the choice to do what it did.

In determinism, you have the same choices as a rock or a little piece of poop dangling from an elephant's anus.

not if we can change the way humans think somehow

See, you don't get it. You don't understand what determinism is :o

I say that anyone who doesn't want to live for as long as possible has no imagination and deserves to die.

If there is no free will, think of what is actually at stake for, say, the USA.
The entire US constitution is null and void.

What's the point of letting people do their "pursuit of happiness" thing when the outcome of that search is already determined? They will either get it or not without them having anything to do with it.

What's the point of debates, elections, laws, trials etc. when their outcome was predicted before the sun was formed and before the first dinosaur walked the earth?

The role of humans in this machine is already determined: we are little puppets doomed to think our decisions shape the world when in fact it is the opposite. That's how we're made and we don't have a choice but to act out this program. We have the impression of free will. We don't have a choice. We're a robot programmed by the universe to think that we have no program and we make all decisions for ourselves.

We are irrevocably doomed to live this way and to interact with each other as if we all made decisions willingly.

At 10/26/09 08:39 PM, Elfer wrote:

What's going to end up confusing even MORE people is the fact that there are several important exceptions to that rule.

For instance: Bigfoot.

The absence of evidence for him is PRETTY good evidence of his absence.
Sadly.

I think the phrase is "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".

That just gets more confusing the more your read it.

At 10/26/09 03:23 PM, ReiperX wrote: We worked really hard.

BOO
FRICKIN
HOO

People in the entertainment industry need to realize they're lucky to even be able to live off of this. You worked hard? Aaaaw tough shit, there's people who worked harder than you mining coal and growing crops who deserve my 10$ a lot more than your dumb ass and your guitar.

I'm in debt, Paul's in debt and it's just the way it is, and we're fine with that.

That's what happens when you choose a shitty career.

And you are stealing if you are illegally downloading music, videos, whatever.

If I had the magic powers to grow corn with my dick, would you stop me just because it's like I'm stealing the corn from people who are growing some somewhere else?

If you want the industry to continue, then buy what you think is good. If not, the industry is going to shut down because it's can't afford to continue.

I WISH THAT INDUSTRY WOULD EXPLODE.
It's rotten and mismanaged. It's a shitburger. When it crumbles, artists will respark it from the web and it will be under a different model.

For too long people in the entertainment industry have though they were somehow ENTITLED to tons of cash and a living. No. You're not entitled to shit. Entertainment is not a real job. And that's what I want to do for a living and I fully admit it.

Anyone who makes any money doing this should thank his lucky stars and stop feeling entitled to shit and should not be demanding that the government jail people for not throwing fistfuls of money their way because they want to listen to a song.

Things like Youtube and the internet in general have completely destroyed that model. Good riddance.

If you want to work in that industry, work on a medium that can't be reproduced with a desktop computer.

And now a list of analogies:

- We should ban the printing press because it puts scribes out of work
- We should close down factories because artisans can't make barrels and glass bottles as fast as a machine
- We should arrest people for humming a song to someone else who hasn't bought a copy of the album the song is on

Fuck those assholes, fuck their advertising and fuck their shitty-ass television shows, boy bands and teenage pop stars. IT'S OVER.

YOU LOSE, RECORDING INDUSTRY.

I wonder how many billions of dollars they're giving to politicians all over the world just to get to make their crazy useless laws. I bet a sizable portion of the money they make is used in bribes and campaign funding.

And now just you wait until people start owning those 3D printing machines. That's coming in the next few decades. Machines that allow you to print out solid 3d objects. What are those assholes going to do them? I can't print a certain design because they said so?
Fuck em'

hahahaha
I should lock this but... ... later

Well a lot of things happened that forced me to go back home. Sorry thread.
Did you know: not moving at all is the equivalent of smoking a pack of cigarette a day on your health?

If you're fat, smoke a lot, drink a lot of coffee and never move around, you're as good as dead by the time you hit your 50s and 60s. Enjoy life you fat sack of shit.

At 10/19/09 09:37 PM, ImaSmartass2 wrote: Pox, what is you stance on legislature for people who have Chronic Obesity?

That's not a disease. All obesity can be cured the same way: eat less, move more. Anyone who tells you different doesn't know shit.

- Ran a marathon
- Met Arnold Schwarzenegger and has dinner with him
- Visited 43 countries
- Had a comet named after me
- Lost my virginity 5 times
- Acquired 23 patents
- Made my first million
- Was nominated for a daytime Emmy
- Had risen to Sergeant in the US army
And best for last:
- Finished Zelda: The Ocarina of time 2 times in one month

So what have YOU done, huh?

At 10/19/09 03:52 PM, Ass-Crumb wrote: You're a fucking retard.

Celery plus Peanut Butter = Greatest vegetable condiment combination

How I can prove it's false: celery is basically water.
Peanut butter in glass of water = gross

Therefore I win.

That's what I ate and it was horrible. It was terrible... I want to vomit now.
I feel seriously ill.

GROSS

They should outlaw celeri. What a useless disgusting plant. I think it's only use is to market Cheeze Whiz as food.

At 10/19/09 12:03 PM, Proteas wrote:

You put vanity and social value over health, dude. What's there to comprehend?

You could definitely sue the government for not teaching you how to read properly.

You know, opting out? As in, giving the parents the ability to say "No, I don't want to pay to send my kid to this camp, thank you very much." You're program starts at 10 and goes through 16, and until I threw your own British Program argument back in your face, you had a "tough shit, you're going, your paying for it, regardless of results" attitude.

What are you talking about?
Are you talking about a kid's right to opt out or the right for parents to not send their kids?
Kids can't stop going until they're 16 ( or whatever the dropout age is where they live since it varies state-by-state), which I've made painfully clear since page one.
Parents can send their kids to whatever camp they want, as long as they send them to one. I've also made this extremely clear throughout this topic.

Interesting. I distinctly remember you putting forth an argument that this system would save billions in healthcare costs in the future as the current generation of fat people die off

The current generation of fat people will die off REGARDLESS OF WHAT ANYONE DOES.
I never said there was no help for them or that no program should be created.

I just don't give a shit.

Anyway I'm done with this.
I hope you get smarter one of these days, maybe we can have a real debate.

At 10/18/09 03:46 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

I don't think anything Christ taught was a result from delusions.

Jesus was messiah/ prophet/ magician / guru/ witch doctor etc.
His schtick was going around mooching off people in return for words and magic tricks. One of the oldest jobs in the world.

Step 1: convince people you have some kind of power
step 2: Ask for anything you want in the form of donations
step 3: Echo what your target group thinks about politics/ life / morals

Seems fairly easy. Also always avoid confronting critics directly. What you want to do is not enter debate with them but brand them as "beneath you" and "pity" them as poor lost souls. That works really well on stupid people.

At 10/18/09 10:02 PM, Proteas wrote: English lesson from an American; "you're" is a contraction, consisting of the words "you" and "are."

Oh my god.

You argued an arbitrary cultural standard, pox. Doesn't that strike you just as a little bit... odd?

You have SEVERE reading comprehension problems.

Yeah, yelling at a kid because he's fat and sad you screwed up his next 5 summers. GO YOU!!!

Again welcome to the Straw Man world of Proteas where suddenly disciplining a kid because he's a troublemaker is equated to yelling at him because he's a fat failure.

I was EXTREMELY CLEARLY talking about the choice of dropping out.

Only after you were shown how the British people who idolize you allow people to opt out of their program. Before that, you're attitude was "tough shit" all throughout this topic.

More nonsense. The British program is NEVER mandatory so it doesn't compare in this respect. Second I've mentioned several times what the cutoff age would be.

quote from me: "Yeah once you're 16, you're free from the fat camps. Congrats."

PAGE ONE

I never said this would be the only measure taken.

Actually, you as good as did.

No, never.

Which brings me back to the previous point; what's going to happen when all the fat adults in this nation you think just need to be forced to lose the weight are going to be left to die

How are they going to be left to die? There's tons of program for them already, you just can't force them just like you can't force smokers to quit smoking but you can ban kids from buying smokes and smoking anywhere in public.

At 10/18/09 06:57 PM, ImaSmartass2 wrote:

Obvious trying to make them loose weight won't save any money.

Ok just so we're clear, you're talking about some kind of disease or condition that makes people fat no matter what?

Which doesn't exist as far as I know.

At 10/18/09 06:25 PM, TheStonePilot wrote: Something you need, no matter what your profession is.

4000 years ago, you were lucky as shit to know how to read.
Scratch that, 400 years ago you were lucky.

Looks like we got by just fine. Education is about raising our standards of living and so is attaining health through whatever means. A fat population is an unhealthy population with a shittier standard of living.

Whatever, the social change will make itself eventually. One day it will be looked down upon to be fat just like it is looked down upon today to not be able to read. We pity those people and rightfully so.

I'd say that people who believe in free will don't really have any idea what free will is.
Like people who believe the bible is a great source of insight probably haven't read it.

And now for a funny quote by Christopher Hitchens:
"Free will is contradictory because, after all, you don't have a CHOICE to have free will!".

Haha.

At 10/17/09 11:42 PM, Proteas wrote:

He was talking about you, dude, asking if you were trolling.

haahahahah
Here's an English lesson from a french-canadian:

"I hope you're just trolling pox, though."=== YOU'RE TROLLING
"I hope you're just trolling, pox, though."== I AM

Observe:

I hope you killed Bob!
I hope you killed, Bob!

It's simple; you mentioned cultural standards and physical beauty.

I said it's something people want. That doesn't mean it's the only thing they want or the thing they want most.
Logic lesson #592452:

"Bob wants a couch"
Does this mean:

A. Bob wants a couch
B. Bob wants nothing but a couch
C. Bob wants nothing more than a couch

Than answer may surprise you!

Do school administrators go out of their way to systematically alienate kids like they do in your fat camp system? I don't think so.

All I said it they'd discipline trouble kids. It's the exact same in every school that's ever existed.

It's the exact same for school you dimwit.

You can live in today's society without a computer, you can't without a basic education. So no, they are not the same thing.

English lesson #2:
It's the exact same FOR school".
That means SOMETHING is the exact same both for camp and for school. That doesn't mean both school and camp are the same in every respect.

I was EXTREMELY CLEARLY talking about the choice of dropping out. This is the 3rd post in a row where I tell you that you can drop out of camp just at the same time you can drop out of school whatever that age is where you live.

You do realize that with the numbers you've cited, you've doubled the government expenditure for healthcare on the obese,

What? I don't even know they spend anything on the obese. What numbers do you base this claim on?

yet are only focusing on the kids?

I never said this would be the only measure taken.
All this topic is about is how you can actually force kids to go to a fat camp whereas you can't force adults. You can't make a mandatory fat camp for adults.

There's a lot of other things the government can do to help adults but they have to do it voluntarily. Unlike kids.