I'm collaborating with TranceCrafter on this.

At 10/7/09 12:37 PM, Sealander wrote: 3rd place You have the option of getting a 320kbit of the original or remix of my first released track.

Nice promo.

I might have a wangle at this'un.

There is an option on the Sytrus synth I found a long time ago that gives that effect.
But as for the samples, audio and other instruments, I wouldn't have a clue.

I've only really known of this being done with microphones, when recording a sound source. I don't see how you could pull it off synthetically (probably the wrong terminology but blehyou)...

I'm keeping an eye on this thread, though. This sounds interesting :)

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Hopefully I can make a song without the fucker crashing.

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I haven't been round here in a while. What you guys all up to?

I've noticed in the forum lately everyone thinks they're a know-it-all, but continue to use the wrong terminology and techniques etc etc. lol

At 7/30/09 06:00 AM, 0con wrote: How's it goin' everyone?

Can't complain tbh, dude, you?

As far as producing goes, and not composing, I find the mixing process to be the most important part.

You're basically enhancing the song overall, making it sound better than it did, then making it available for a good master. If your mix is bad, your master will sound shit, etc.
The whole process I find to be most enjoyable too.

At 7/30/09 03:30 AM, Khuskan wrote: Also a rule of thumb: Master on the medium that your listener will be using.

You mean, reference on the medium your listener will be using.

Yeah using samples you're allowed to is fine.
You're only noticing them now because you know what they are, where they come from, etc. because you're a producer.

More on the lines of your "no saw bass" rule. I could still use a square bass and qualify, amirite?

Although the next actual drum and bass song I'm going to bother making is going to have a didgeridoo for the bassline. ;)

Aw shit. I've got this lovely violin and cello intro that would drop well into a really nice heavy drum and bass track, but I really wanted to have a go at glitching the fuck out the drums, which won't work with the didgeridoo I wanted to sample for the bass.

I also wanted to have a go at making some of Youri's Zilverstep genre hahaha! ;P
Not sure on the "rules" of it though lmao.

At 7/14/09 09:55 AM, Rawmin wrote: The way I understand it,

When you are working with a project file, making changes to the arrangement, individual channels, etc. that is not mastering, that is mixing.

Correct.

Once you finally bounce it out to an audio file, and then start applying effects to that audio file, be it compression, limiting, what have you, THAT is the mastering process.

So until you bounce it out, all you are doing is mixing.

Not correct.
You can master inside a project too, but it's not mixing. Mastering has nothing to do about EQing different tracks and setting levels, but applying stuff to the master bus to get the RMS up to as loud as everyone elses music.
You don't need to bounce it first.

I just thought there is going to be more chance of pumping and the such when you master inside the project. I find it really hard to explain why I think this, but I know why I think this. I'm just not sure if I'm right.

Wow there is so many good submissions already. I need to get to work on mine.

Infact, I'm going to switch my laptop on right now and get to work on my drum track.

But could anyone explain why, or just me why they prefer to master a bounced wav file instead of mastering inside their song project. I know there is different ways to do each, but why do people do it differently?

I used to master inside my project, 'cause I didn't know anything about production, or the mastering process. I just knew I needed to make my song louder, so I slapped limiters and compressors on the master bus of my project to get the RMS up. Which of course caused pumping a lot of the time, even when I tried learning it correctly.

There has to be advantages for either way, surely?

There's been a lot of threads about it lately, and it seems most people are talking about/use the method of slapping plug-ins on the master bus inside their project. However I'm used to bouncing my mix and then mastering afterwards.

I'm just curious as to why you do what you do when it comes to it, and what is beneficial from each method, as well as the cons to each.

But, when you've found out how to process your drums samples to achieve the best of them, I'm sure most people would recommend the Vengeance sample packs.

At 7/13/09 07:57 AM, varrin7 wrote: Which is a shame seeing as how any nine year old kid can pump out a techno beat. All you really have to do is drag and drop.

Man, I hate that you just said that.
Just 'cause it's dance music doesn't mean someone dragged and dropped shit. They'd be banned if they did that, as you can probably see from the silly amounts of threads.

Techno composition is miles different to that of classical, so no, it's not going to convey an array of different emotions blah-dee-blah-blah. But no one's going to play it in a club if the kick is distorting, so it needs to focus on the production side of it.
The same as, if it was a super slow, sad song, it's not going to get played in a club. I don't go clubbing to cry my eyes out. I go clubbing to get wasted, dance like a retard and put a huge grin on my face.

And all of you composers stop slating "techno" because it's not the same as classical or whatever it is you're into. Most of you don't even mean techno the majority of the time, you're just too arrogant to learn your forms of music.

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A review comments on how well a song is mixed and mastered because there is a result of good and bad in the quality of the production of a song. Is someone writes a riff or melody, and then you come along all like "I think you could improve it like this blah blah", even if you give a well structured review, they're just going to say they like it how it is, and not change it.

Composition is more the art of a musician, and with art comes opinion and individual perception.
But production has a quality of bad and good. Simple really.

At 7/12/09 07:46 PM, sorohanro wrote: I wonder why someone asking a question on the forum just to ignore the thread that he created... isn't weird ?

Maybe he got his answer and didn't come back to say he found something/thank you.

At 7/8/09 11:17 PM, SoulRed12 wrote: Good day all. This thread can probably be closed now, unless anyone else has something they feel needs to be said.

That's probably the longest apology I've ever read.
I forgive you :)
We forgive you :)

But still, I'm not hating, even if worded more politely or friendly, people won't want to compromise their art because some guy thinks it's all getting a bit same-y. That's all I can say.

I'm skipping most of this topic because it turned into a carriage of hate.
How dare you! All of you! :(

And I'm going to breakdown the original post with answer, because I CAN! :D

At 7/8/09 08:03 PM, SoulRed12 wrote: I'd like to state the obvious for a moment, and say that the AP is pretty oversaturated with techno and trance. I expect as much, from a group of people who probably play/write games for a living.

I don't know what you meant by us being a group of people who "play/write games for a living". I hardly ever play games. And I certainly don't... write? them... :/
But yeah, there is a lot of EDM in the portal, well spotted.

However, I'd like to take some time now, to encourage all the artists out there, to step away from the horribly overdone techno and trance genres, and try out something else.

They're not horribly overdone. They're done just as much as other genres. Any other genre in fact. It's just the quality of it in the portal is much higher than the quality of most other pieces, as generally the community prefers trance.

I don't know how you all feel about this, so post away I suppose...but personally I'm a little disappointed how so many of the other genres of music get ignored in favor of techno and trance.

Other music genres don't get ignored. But as I said, the quality of the trance and dance music in the portal is far greater than most of the other stuff. Of course there's a load of shit too. Any kid with a sequencer tries to make it.

That's not to say that techno and trance are bad; I actually think they're awesome. But let's try something new once in a while, k? K.

I'm pretty sure most of the producers in this community produce more than just trance music. They don't neccessarily have to upload it to the portal, or release it at all. But that's not to say they're not make other stuff. It's like telling a hip hop group to stop making hip hop and "try something new once in a while".

If you ~must~ make techno, at least do something that doesn't sound like something we've all heard before...as impossible as that sounds.

You can say that about any genre.
And with that, especially being summarised as you did, made it sound like you were ranting on the community for only making horribly overdone generic techno music.
Which is probably why everyone started hated on you.

The whole point of being an "artist" is to make your music what you want to make it.

If you don't want to hear trance or techno, go and make some metal or something.

Truth is, there's a lot of EDM here because a lot of the people here listen to EDM, and did so before they started making music.
There's the odd artist who'll record a rock track and stuff, and there are definitely some good rock songs in the portal, without a doubt. But the time and money for a trance producer to get a guitar, learn to play guitar, get recording equipment to record guitar, learn a genre they're not as familiar with inside-out, and then produce that, is just ridiculous.

I think we should just keep it as Gold, Silver, Bronze.
Simple, effective, etc.

Like, not everyone can record guitar. They might be able to play a sweet lick over their track, but have no way to record it. So they're screwed.

Also, I don't want to have to judge everything based on that huge criteria.

Naturally yeah, you'll get stuck with what you know. That's what I meant with the longer you've been playing, you'll understand more, as you'll (hopefully) be playing a lot of different styles.

I'm not saying don't learn music theory. It sounds like it could help a lot. I'd learn it but, it just seems too boring.
I'll get around to it one day.

At 7/8/09 03:58 PM, HaniiPuppy wrote: Two slight problems with that: I don't know how how else to keep the volume on the master track from passing 0db while maintaining a decent amount of perceived volume, and I believe the reverb is actually part of the sampled instrument.

Turn up your volume on your computer to make up for it when you're mixing. Make sure nothing hits 0dB or above when you're mixing, and don't put any compressors or limiters on the master track. You'll make it louder when you master it, which comes after the mixing stage.

Well a compressor decreases the dynamic range of a sound, so if you've got a snare being thrashed through a compressor, it's going to make the tail of the sample a lot nearer the volume of the crack of the snare drum. Just ease off it a bit.

Or, alternatively, you could cut the end of the sample off, compress as you wish and then add a reverb, to give it the tail back.

Check out this guy's videos. He seems to know a fair bit about what he's chatting.

At 7/8/09 02:54 PM, loansindi wrote: You know what makes writing songs easier?

Understanding music theory. I don't understand the resistance a lot of users here have to studying it. It really does make songs a lot easier to put together.

It's tedious, so most people don't want to do it.
I don't know a thing about music theory except your average joe time signatures. I find just by looking at a piano roll I can harmonize chords, melodies and all that, because I've been doing it for the past 3+ years.

If you've been playing an instrument for a good amount of time as well, you'll know the patterns of what notes sound good where. The longer you play, the more you learn.

At 7/8/09 07:50 AM, HaniiPuppy wrote: Here's a picture of the current settings:

Are you compressing your master track? If so, don't.

If you're just compressing and limiting your 1 drum track, put the reverb in after the compressors. That should sort it.

Occasionally I'll get a PM from an artist I have on my favourite list, or someone who's song I've reviewed recently asking me to check out their new uploads.

But never have I got a PM like that. You seem like a right nob.