383 Forum Posts by "Pandora-Tranquil"
At 1/10/09 10:33 PM, GlueR wrote: Well, I've got an idea as well! All that is good, but apart from just downgrading the zero bombers, wouldn't it be nice if we couldn't vote on our own submissions? Then everyone would be based solely on what other people think. The way things stand, songs are "rewarded" with higher marks, if the poster is logging in every day.
At 1/11/09 05:53 PM, brokendeck wrote:
:the only way to counter this is to only allow registered users to vote, and they can only vote ONCE, under their username. Otherwise, every new newgrounds day will mean a new 0-bomb.
I totally agree with both of these statements, Like I said previously: I have more thoughts that will be brought up if this topic becomes popular, and these are two aspects of my idea.
Also if you think psychologically about it, zero voters might vote zero thinking it won't harm the submission after others vote, and they may only vote zero to cancel out what they think is the artist voting 5 on themselves. If the artist cannot vote 5 on themselves, this might help promote realistic voting further.
At 1/9/09 11:16 PM, Sungaze wrote: Voting power will help recognition in the AP. But, think about it , like a few said above, people can just go randomly blamming stuff, or flagging and just give a plain reason to. Honestly, I dont think we can make the AP any much better than the way it is now, sence 0 bombers find there way.
Think about this question logically:
How many songs out there REALLY deserve a zero?
Not very many, it would be a correct assumtion that a user who's mode score given to songs being 0 is someone who is abusing the system. Code could easily be written to lower these user's voting power.
Its all logic based anyways, shit, if I sat down long enough, I could code it myself lol (not specifically for newgrounds obviously because I do not know anything about their coding methods, but you get the point).
Anyways, zero voters really ruin a lot of potential. Think about how easy it would be to go and zero vote all of the songs on the "top songs" list, and then vote 5 on all of your own and have your friends do the same.
In one day, the audio portal could be trashed. And I think that because of this major loophole that something should be changed.
At 1/9/09 06:58 PM, MH16 wrote: You have some good ideas, but i think this is the thread you are looking for.
Posted there just now.
I feel that the Newgrounds Audio Portal, and Flash Portal should not be two separate entities in the sense that they are moderated differently. Certainly there are more aspects of design regarding Flash Animation, however I feel they should be graded the same way.
Newgrounds Audio Portal artists have approximately 20 minutes of recognition before their audio is lost in the abyss of new material. Once a song makes it to the bottom of the "Recent Submissions" list, it is no longer recognized (outside the Top Songs list, and the bleak possibility of receiving the "Best of The Week" spot) When compared to the Flash Portal, the major differences are the flags such as (Under Judgement, Great Score, etc.) and the 20 additional spots available on the Recent Submissions list. This leaves the Audio Portal Artists with much less of a possibility to receive any sort of notoriety for their submission.
I believe that a combination of the "Blams", "Saves", and Recent Material Flags (Great Score!, Under Judgement, etc.) lead to less "Zero Voting," more critical reviewing, and a more fair community in general. With the flags in place, artists generally take a look at items under "Great Score!" or "Verge of Death", this means that if an artist has been blatantly promoting their material on other websites, or having friends all vote 5 on the submission, it will be noticed, and if these grades were not parallel to the quality of the material submitted, a concordant grade will be made by other artists who notice this fact, leaving the Artist with a more realistic grade. The opposite situation is also true, if a user is unfairly voted zero upon, and is "Saved", the users who "Save" the material are accredited with this, and the Artist who submitted the material still has a chance to be noticed by the community.
Also correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure each user's "Voting Power" is based off a scale determined by the Flash Portal. It would be more appropriate if each portal had a different Voting Power based off reviews, Saves, and Blams. Or at least a mix of the two. Currently there is no system in place within the Audio Portal that rewards users that constantly review material, or give appropriate grades.
For instance, if a user constantly zero votes new submissions, and then the song turns out to be a hit, the user's voting power should go down. And vise versa.
Sorry for such a long post...
Sorry to Double Post, but I just wanted to add this:
I don't know if anyone else has noticed this, and correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure each user's "Voting Power" is based off a scale determined by the Flash Portal. It would be more appropriate if each portal had a different Voting Power based off reviews, Saves, and Blams. Or at least a mix of the two. Currently there is no system in place within the Audio Portal that rewards users that constantly review material, or give appropriate grades.
For instance, if a user constantly zero votes new submissions, and then the song turns out to be a hit, the user's voting power should go down. And vise versa.
If I am just rambling like an idiot, let me know!
This is not to say "CHANGE MUST BE MADE!!!" or anything, the following is an interpretation, and comparison of Audio Portal, and Flash Portal grading Policies.
I would just like to bring attention to the affects the current Audio "grading" policies have on Artists submitting to Newgrounds.
I feel that the Newgrounds Audio Portal, and Flash Portal should not be two separate entities in the sense that they are moderated differently. Certainly there are more aspects of design regarding Flash Animation, however I feel they should be graded the same way.
Newgrounds Audio Portal artists have approximately 20 minutes of recognition before their audio is lost in the abyss of new material. Once a song makes it to the bottom of the "Recent Submissions" list, it is no longer recognized (outside the Top Songs list, and the bleak possibility of receiving the "Best of The Week" spot) When compared to the Flash Portal, the major differences are the flags such as (Under Judgement, Great Score, etc.) and the 20 additional spots available on the Recent Submissions list. This leaves the Audio Portal Artists with much less of a possibility to receive any sort of notoriety for their submission.
I believe that a combination of the "Blams", "Saves", and Recent Material Flags (Great Score!, Under Judgement, etc.) lead to less "Zero Voting," more critical reviewing, and a more fair community in general. With the flags in place, artists generally take a look at items under "Great Score!" or "Verge of Death", this means that if an artist has been blatantly promoting their material on other websites, or having friends all vote 5 on the submission, it will be noticed, and if these grades were not parallel to the quality of the material submitted, a concordant grade will be made by other artists who notice this fact, leaving the Artist with a more realistic grade. The opposite situation is also true, if a user is unfairly voted zero upon, and is "Saved", the users who "Save" the material are accredited with this, and the Artist who submitted the material still has a chance to be noticed by the community.
There are MANY more aspects of which I will discus if this topic becomes popular, however I believe that, in general, if the Audio Portal was more like the Flash Portal, it would promote a more fair environment for Newgrounds Artists.
and yes I wrote that lol, is rucklo a mod now?
and who is liljim? im sorry i dont remember?
and hi onyx and hi scribbler.
yea, I wish I remember what I did, all I know is I was an ass, idk what I did exactly to piss off mods and stuff lol
At 6/30/07 11:09 AM, Chronamut wrote: maybe you'd remember his name "theblackhawk"..
and i was wondering why i got reviews from you all of a sudden..
so you're back eh.. you screwed up pretty badly in the pasty - so badly in fact that even the mods and liljim know who you are XD
but at least you are making an attempt to mend your ways.. glad to see older users returning..
Yea lol, as soon as he said DNB I knew it must be critical overflow, and yea I know theblackhawk because it sounds like....nevermind
lol
sup man!
Nope I dont, but im sure ive done some shitty collabs before :-P
what was it called?
thanks pal, I checked out some of your stuff as well, and it was probably some of the most original stuff ive heard in quite some time
First off I just want to say that this was my last resort to letting all of you know im back, I tried posting in the audio advertisements thing, I tried reviewing peoples music, and I submitted 3 tracks, but nowadays ppl submit so much stuff, in like 10 minutes your song isnt even on the recent submissions list anymore.
So anyways, for those of you who know who i am, and those of you who stood by me when I was stupid and young (rucklo, chronamut, admiralconquistador, fuel2fire, etc. I loved your reviews and your nice-ness) I am back!
And since its been a little over a year since ive posted ANYTHING on this site, it is QUITE different from what it used to be (hopefully better eh?)
So yea, sorry to make a post blabbing about myself, but hopefully those I know will see it and I can reunite my old friendships and maybe make some new ones!
ok, now heres the link you knew was coming, spamming myself like a fool, but whatever -
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/view.php?id=1 130608&sub=85489
there you go! listen to effluent dreams!
Oh and by the way, to everyone I pissed off in the past - im sorry, I was 14 what can I say.
(now im a little older, less arrogant, obnoxious, tormenting, flaming, etc.)
thanks for reading!
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/view.php?id=1 130608&sub=85618
listen to effluent dream, you wont regret it - first full length song ive made in months
My first song uploaded to newgrounds in a year. I think im coming back.
here you go its called Gateway (not a full song, I made it yesterday for fun)
so yea - http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/view.php?id=1 130608&sub=85489
Thanks for listening if you do, heres to the newgrounds community that built me up from not knowing how to do anything barely, to where I am now (music wise lol)
http://www.newground.._pics/917/917347.jpg
http://www.newground.._pics/641/641410.jpg
lawl
http://www.newground..130608&sub=47734
http://www.newground..130608&sub=47734
http://www.newground..130608&sub=47734
http://www.newground..130608&sub=47734
Ok, that get your attention? lol
As much as most people would think otherwise, or by judging my age based on nothing but how I talk or my music, im only 15 lol.
im sure theres PLENTY of people on NG younger tho.
Here is a song semi-worthy of my efforts. I hav'nt submitted in forever because ive been busy, and I dont really like newgrounds. But I know a few people actually look for my stuff so here you go, heres some more shit by me.
http://www.newground..130608&sub=47734
Im definately finishing it tomorrow. Oh and yes its slightly repetitive, but thats because im not finished yet lol.
thanks for your time, and vote for it so maybe it will be ya know....noticed?
Hey, I know I hardly EVER submit to newgrounds, but I was reading some old reviews, and I figured id do it for the people who DO review, and it wouldnt hurt to submit a shortened song for download, so here you go.
Critical Zone-
http://www.newground..130608&sub=41195
if you review, I will definately see it (and most likely respond) , I love hearing the comments.
thanks!
oh and ill check out ur song khuskan (idk if thats how u spell it and im too lazy to go back and check lol)
Hey, I know I hardly EVER submit to newgrounds, but I was reading some old reviews, and I figured id do it for the people who DO review, and it wouldnt hurt to submit a shortened song for download, so here you go.
Critical Zone-
http://www.newground..130608&sub=41195
if you review, I will definately see it (and most likely respond) , I love hearing the comments.
thanks!
http://www.newground..130608&sub=37750
New song demo -
Euphoric Tragedy
you started doing remixes bounce? lol
I hate your super duper link
Maybe its a good idea, maybe its not, however there are alot of remix only artists on NG, and the audio advertisement thread is HUGE, so I figured id see what breaking it down some did.
advertise your remixes here, and if you have none and ur bored, tell what ur fav ones are.
good idea?
to start the thread out of COURSE ill advertise -
http://www.newground..130608&sub=35542
its a remix of Darude - Sandstorm
http://www.newground..130608&sub=36476
My first remix ever.....
Darude - Sand Storm
check it out, tell me what u think
At 11/6/05 01:13 AM, Pink_Floyd wrote:At 11/5/05 03:04 PM, Erkie wrote: I thought you were done.Yes, didn't we have a topic and such about this?
I was, then I came back (the prizes tempted me, and also jus for the hell of some feedback)
an yea - new beta lol
Emotional Stronghold -
http://www.newground..130608&sub=35966
http://www.newground..130608&sub=35742
Distorted Tranquility
Pretty much the final version of my crazy wilted dreams remix, its decent....
but yea check it out if you want.
thanks for any support
A little something I put on newgrounds because wilted dreams was pretty much the fav of my songs -
http://www.newground..130608&sub=35542
its called Distorted Tranquility, but its really like a crazy remix that uses nothing exept the main melody in wilted dreams, so far its soundin pretty good, an yea, way better than wilted dreams.
Thanks if you still even remember who i am lol
http://www.newground..130608&sub=33010
does noone notice the pandora anymore?
lol i havnt submitted in a long time but still, one review and its off the recent submissions list ALREADY!
listen if you will, its only a beta, and no the full version wont be submitted, its jus so everyone can see where im at music-wise now
Why hasnt my name been mentioned in here? have i been forgotten already?
lol
At 8/31/05 07:46 PM, Poetic_Reven wrote: ppl need to stop they rele need to take his music off cuz very loser is like omg he's great, gorebastard liljcoffee and countless other talented artists took his place so wuteva I want him to b out of everyones head HE'S GONE
he don't submit anymore so move on ....
not to mention most of the people on newgrounds have made at least one song better than half the shit u hear in his profile.
