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It appears my ignorance is showing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_again st_nature

A "crime against nature" is a LEGAL term, ranging from masturbation to, well, dog fucking. The article now seems a lot less judgmental knowing that, although it's still obviously biased.

I suppose it's considered a crime against nature because it's inter-species intercourse. Bestiality is a very underground fetish, and the general public obviously don't approve.

Now, when it comes to my personal opinion, hell. Whatever floats your boat, I guess. The media just likes making unimportant shitty small town stories seem like a big deal. We're in a war and on the brink of a recession, and they're seriously publishing stories about two middle aged women who like to fuck dogs?

Good job, Fox.

At 7/23/08 02:02 PM, PineappleWinnie wrote: As long os Obama doesn't have any hidden hatreds, we should have at least one valid candidate...

... Bahaha. No, Obama's racial hatreds aren't hidden. That's for sure. xD;

Come to think of it, I don't know anyone other than NPCs that religiously use Jigglypuff in the standard Pokemon games, either.

I don't play Brawl, so I wouldn't know Jigglypuff's, ah, "stats" in that game, but when it comes to all the generations of the GB Pokemon games, Jigglypuff is as useful as Zubat. :c

At 7/22/08 04:31 AM, PineappleWinnie wrote:

At 7/20/08 07:43 PM, JoxskornerStudios01 wrote: I finally figured out the ways of the republican party.

OH MY GOD!!! All Politicians are corrupt and tell lies to everyone? Oh noez, the disaster, the wonder, the news!

QFT, except I fixed it a little bit for you. :*

It's pathetic in general how dependent the American people seem to be on the media coverage and on the people themselves who convince us that it would be a good idea to give them power and money. We seem to have lost our sense of independence and personal liberties, and not only from Bush's outrageous phone-tapping shenanigans, but also from Obama's demagogue-esque campaign.

Do America a favor and vote for Bob Barr this November. :c

At 7/23/08 01:07 AM, PieGraphGlock wrote:

At 7/23/08 12:14 AM, Oranzoval wrote:
Oop, I lied about posting one last time.

Eee! Root is his running mate? Absolutely fucking tight. I'm stoked now. xD; I was supporting Wayne for a while, even though he was obviously not going to win the Libertarian nomination. I'm smiling like an idiot now because he's still going to be on the ticket come November now, though.

Funny, I personally wasn't a big fan of Root at all. But I've warmed up to him dearly and as I've gotten to know a bit about his personal life, I know now that I can trust him as our country's next VP. What are you doing for the Barr/Root ticket, if I may ask?

Well, seeing how I won't be old enough to vote this November, unfortunately not too much. However, because I know that the LP is third party and PATHETICALLY overlooked (especially with an election where the two main candidates prove that an "outside party member" is needed desperately to take the stage), I usually make sure to drop names when in a political conversation with people both close to me and strangers. Little things, but hopefully I'll be able to campaign at the polls.

While I (think I) agree, please learn how to fucking type properly. :c

At 7/23/08 12:28 AM, EKublai wrote: You're still not showing me the failure here. I'm looking out for the long term, as the socialist mind often does. Yes it is for the better of humanity, because the run down of humanity in this day and age in the life of a skilled worker is to get out of the homeland and go to an industrial nation, where he will be greeted with discrimination because he is an immigrant there trying to take a native job. Not that he's qualified to work in an industrialized nation anyway, so he's better off being a cabbie. this leaves one more worker out of his area and no one at home. Redistributing the wealth in the world will not work, but redistributing the mind power will make it so it won't matter where you live 20 years because you will have reformed home. everywhere is a success

Your failure is that it's not human nature to sacrifice a guaranteed comfortable place to live and paycheck to go to a random area that was chosen for them to live by someone who they don't know at all in a lottery. It's like communism; cute idea on paper, just not going to work IRL.

At 7/23/08 12:11 AM, PieGraphGlock wrote: Obama's just gonna move the troops from Iraq to Afghanistan. No one's coming home. And McCain's energy plans could end up costing the taxpayers $1 trillion (and that's the candidate from America's small government party) the only man with both experience AND vision is Bob Barr. But don't take my word for it.

http://www.bobbarr2008.com/

Oop, I lied about posting one last time.

Eee! Root is his running mate? Absolutely fucking tight. I'm stoked now. xD; I was supporting Wayne for a while, even though he was obviously not going to win the Libertarian nomination. I'm smiling like an idiot now because he's still going to be on the ticket come November now, though.

At 7/23/08 12:04 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: Fact= Obama will win
Mccain will lose

Get over it, America is not going to stand for another Bush, if you like Mccain so much why don't you join the army cuz that is the best you can do at this point, go die for the lies to hold so precious.

Okay, this is my last post in a not-'08-elections-thread that's... about the '08 elections.

Even if you don't support the war in Iraq, telling people to join the military to "die for lies" is extremely offensive. I'm not one to take things personally, but Jesus fucking Christ. You're a jerk.

People who join the military don't join because they want to suck Bush's cock, or because they get paid amazingly and it's a low risk job (please note the sarcasm), but to fight for your right to SAY shit like this. So learn to point fingers at the right people next time before you spout off insults to the men and women who risk their lives every day to uphold the Constitution, allowing you to be such a fucking cuntrag.

Also, it's ignorant to say that a candidate will win for sure so early in the election. Like I said, I support neither party (I'm a staunch Libertarian), but nobody can say for sure that, "HAHA MCCAIN IS AN OLD FAG HE'S GOING TO LOSE." or "OBAMA IS SUCH A RACIST LIAR OMG WTF HE CAN'T WIN NO WAY." until AFTER the votes have been counted up. ;)

At 7/22/08 11:32 PM, EKublai wrote:

At 7/22/08 11:16 PM, Oranzoval wrote:

At 7/22/08 11:10 PM, CIX wrote: This is why socialism fails so hard.

You know, I don't think I could have said it better myself.

That sucks because I definitely could have, in fact I would have supplied first a foremost an argument, secondly I might've even supported that argument with FACTs, just in case someone tried to be tricky and say I was wrong.

All right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

Hmm. Forcing citizens to do what they're trained in an area where they don't want to for the "better of humanity"? A lottery completely left up to the people large and in charge determining something as important as where you live? Sounds about right to me. ;)

"Ignorance is knowledge", I suppose.

At 7/22/08 11:26 PM, EKublai wrote:

At 7/22/08 11:02 PM, Oranzoval wrote:

At 7/22/08 10:54 PM, EKublai wrote:

At 7/22/08 10:42 PM, Oranzoval wrote:

Oh, we always need hope and change. But basing your entire campaign on those two words is something like the speeches of politicians in cartoons. Sure, it's good to HOPE, but what'll get the gears rolling is ACTION.

Because change is not action?

Oh, change is action. But don't you think it would be a little more convincing if he went into greater detail of that supposed change, rather than just parroting that word over and over and over...

You're right about how it's impractical, but my original point is that Obama has contradicted himself several times with an issue as important as that. First it was "WE NEED TO INVADE IRAN. WE'RE IN THE WRONG PLACE.", then it was, "PULL OUR TROOPS OUT NOW. NOW NOW NOW.", back to, "WELL I CAN'T REALLY SAY WHEN WE CAN PULL OUT. IN FACT, WE MAY SEND TO MORE TROOPS IN BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE WRONG PLACE..."

The closest Obama has come to saying we need to invade Iran was back in 2004 when he said "Missile strikes may be a viable option" but because of the situation in Iraq we couldn't invade Iran.
Otherwise, since then he has been opposed to military action and has even said as president h ewould meet diplomatically with akmedinejad.

For Iraq he has called for a timetable since at least 2005 so I'm pretty sure that all the contradictions you've been hearing are nothing more than the masses of rants thatyou'e been reading online, which can take a toll even on the most filtering minds.

I only chose FDR as who I thought you were targeting because I didn't really expect anyone to be absent-minded enough to compare the words of Obama saying that the world is a mulligen stew of mores to Hitler's definitive explanations of aryan supremacy. What's the difference. The fundamental principle.

Actually, if I remember correctly, at the beginning of his campaign he was saying how we need to pull out of Iraq, only to put troops in Iran. His defense was "we're in the wrong place". I'll see if I can find a source for you.

Funny thing you should mention the Aryan bit. Any idiot could tell you that Obama is a raging racist, especially towards whitey. Just pick up his auto-biography, would you? He's also mentioned Rev. Wright's opinions and how he agreed with them completely before utterly denying he knew anything about the "real" pastor when the media made a big hullabaloo about it.

At 7/22/08 11:10 PM, CIX wrote: This is why socialism fails so hard.

You know, I don't think I could have said it better myself.

At 7/22/08 10:54 PM, EKublai wrote:

At 7/22/08 10:42 PM, Oranzoval wrote: Barack Hussein Obama is the biggest waste of a politician since... ... Well, ever.

And by mentioning his middle name like that, I'm assuming you don't want any respect as I read this

Wait. I'm not allowed to say his full name? I didn't type that with ANY malicious intent; it's his NAME. Would you have given as much of a damn if I said Barack Ed Obama? Jesus.

First of all, he's only been dealing with the federal government for five years. He's INCREDIBLY inexperienced, and one year ago, people would have either laughed you into a corner or have a blank and confused expression on their face if you suggested that Obama would be a good president.

The man has nothing but pretty words. Hope? Change? That's so stereotypically politician that I'm disappointed that some of you people have actually fallen for that shit.

Because if there's one thing in this country we don't need right now it's hope or change.

Oh, we always need hope and change. But basing your entire campaign on those two words is something like the speeches of politicians in cartoons. Sure, it's good to HOPE, but what'll get the gears rolling is ACTION.

Now, I'm no supporter of McCain either, but at least he's just a little bit more realistic. The reason he doesn't have a timetable for withdrawing the troops is because there's just no way to tell at this point when pulling out of Iraq would end in minimal disaster for both regions. Obama has ALREADY revised his plan for the war and contradicted himself several times, and he's not even in OFFICE yet.

I'm really not convinced that a lack of a timetable is reminiscent of some of the best military judgments of all time. But sure let's go with what Kennedy and Johnson did and just keep putting more troops in Vietnam til we've all but made that our new home. In all honesty, Mccain saying that we might be in Iraq for a 100 years is probably the most unrealistic thing I've ever heard (I've heard he REVISED that plan). But no exit plan is the a terrible impractical way of dealing with anything.

You're right about how it's impractical, but my original point is that Obama has contradicted himself several times with an issue as important as that. First it was "WE NEED TO INVADE IRAN. WE'RE IN THE WRONG PLACE.", then it was, "PULL OUR TROOPS OUT NOW. NOW NOW NOW.", back to, "WELL I CAN'T REALLY SAY WHEN WE CAN PULL OUT. IN FACT, WE MAY SEND TO MORE TROOPS IN BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE WRONG PLACE..."

Give it three more months before he's back to pulling out RITENAO. e-e

That's not even going in to detail about Barack's joke of energy and economic "plans". The only advantage Obama has is that he's charismatic, and looking back at a certain influential leader in 1934, it's clear to see that pretty words and a roaring round of applause a good politician does not make.

Please don't tell me you're saying FDR was a bad president. He literally created the America we live in today. Not that I had much at the start to work with, but I seriously don't have any respect for someone who can't appreciate the work of FDR.

Well, I'm not a fan of FDR due to his development of Social Security, but swing and a miss. Wrong guy, sweetie.

At 7/22/08 10:46 PM, TonyTostieno wrote: If that's what he's going for I can understand, I still think biofuels (hemp, corn, sugarcane, etc.) should be heavily researched alongside these, but that's besides the point.

Oh no no no. Biofuels are what's making food prices so high lately. A gallon of gasoline is used to make a gallon of ethanol. So like... I fail to see how pumping more money into that will help us.

At least wind and water are never in shortage. There's always the same amount of each on the planet; it's just redistributed. Corn, however, there ISN'T an unlimited supply of. I think we should stick to the windmills before starving more Americans.

Barack Hussein Obama is the biggest waste of a politician since... ... Well, ever.

First of all, he's only been dealing with the federal government for five years. He's INCREDIBLY inexperienced, and one year ago, people would have either laughed you into a corner or have a blank and confused expression on their face if you suggested that Obama would be a good president.

The man has nothing but pretty words. Hope? Change? That's so stereotypically politician that I'm disappointed that some of you people have actually fallen for that shit.

Now, I'm no supporter of McCain either, but at least he's just a little bit more realistic. The reason he doesn't have a timetable for withdrawing the troops is because there's just no way to tell at this point when pulling out of Iraq would end in minimal disaster for both regions. Obama has ALREADY revised his plan for the war and contradicted himself several times, and he's not even in OFFICE yet.

That's not even going in to detail about Barack's joke of energy and economic "plans". The only advantage Obama has is that he's charismatic, and looking back at a certain influential leader in 1934, it's clear to see that pretty words and a roaring round of applause a good politician does not make.

That's easily the biggest load of crap I've ever heard. And I thought "Don't ask, don't tell" was bad.

Throwing someone out of the army because of their religious beliefs (or, in this case, lack thereof), is such an obvious violation of the First Amendment that it's nothing short of sickening.

Now, as a Roman Catholic, I can honestly say that my religion should have NOTHING to do with whether I can pop a cap in someone's ass in Iraq, or at least, it shouldn't have anything to do with the government determining whether I can or not. That goes for every religion.

Hearing that somebody WAS discriminated against because of that just boils my blood.

At 7/22/08 10:16 PM, slowerthenb4 wrote:

At 7/22/08 09:57 PM, Oranzoval wrote: Well, ignoring the fact that all kinds of race pride in general are fucking stupid, "white" pride is nothing less than sensible. Otherwise, every single anti-racism group out there is hypocritical at best. It's all or nothing, bitches.

clear that up for me oranz...what??

I'm saying that some black, hispanic, what have you groups scream and throw the word "racist" around all the time without realizing that they're doing exactly what a white person is condemned for; showing a little pride for something as uncontrollable as their skin tone.

Like I said, I fine racial pride in general to be stupid as hell, but I'm arguing from the standpoint of that racial pride isn't going to go away any time soon, so it might as well be "equal" and "fair" for everyone.

And fucking lol @ the people saying whitey never contributed anything to society and that they have no actual culture. The MAJORITY of inventions and important discoveries have been made by a dude with less melanin. Airplanes? Democracy? Ice cream cones? Seriously, guys.

they actually were arguing the counter point, which generally is what you just (re)stated.

I'm not quite sure I understand. I just re-stated a counter point of the opposite "side"? What?

Don't say that people should be color blind. It's never been like that, and it's not going to BE like that in the near future. As long as there's BET, there should be a WET. Simple as that.

BET is no testiment to the pride of black america, in fact, BET has been consistently criticized by the NAACP on many things that perpetuate a negative stereotyping of black culture.

I didn't know that NAACP was against BET. I apologize for my ignorance on that part, sorry.

However, you must realize what I'm trying to say here. There are hispanic and black geared scholarships and television stations, so why not white ones?

Wait, you can't be serious.

Just because one region is suffering from overpopulation doesn't mean people should be shuffled around and relocated to an area they don't want to be in because of some lottery. Not only is it illogical, it's an invasion of personal liberty. Famine, war, criminals, overpopulation... Why should somebody else be forced to move somewhere they don't want to be because of that? All those negative situations are for THAT region's people and THAT region's government to figure out, not ANYONE else's.

Well, ignoring the fact that all kinds of race pride in general are fucking stupid, "white" pride is nothing less than sensible. Otherwise, every single anti-racism group out there is hypocritical at best. It's all or nothing, bitches.

And fucking lol @ the people saying whitey never contributed anything to society and that they have no actual culture. The MAJORITY of inventions and important discoveries have been made by a dude with less melanin. Airplanes? Democracy? Ice cream cones? Seriously, guys.

Don't say that people should be color blind. It's never been like that, and it's not going to BE like that in the near future. As long as there's BET, there should be a WET. Simple as that.