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You racist pasty-ass mods need to allow us to use our word. As a proud African man, I am tired of this word being banned in so many forums. Taking this word away from us shows how raciest the assholes running this place are. They wish to disenfranchise us from using our native language so they can be content in their ignant racism.

If you are a proud African please post in this thread to show your resistance to the ignant racists runnning newgroujnds today.

:At 11/9/13 11:00 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote:

Mind/body dualism?

Yes.

Meaning, that the human mind is seperate from your body?

No, the belief that the mind is an immaterial abstraction of consciousness.

What we perceive as consciousness is the result of the electric and chemical processes taking place in our physical brains.

So your conscious will to respond to my question in such detail is the result of material processes in the brain? Can intentionality and the effects it has on the body really be described as a material compulsion in the brain?

There has never been an example of a mind existing without a brain.

Tell that to the many neurologists who have had NDEs.

At 11/9/13 08:16 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote:

At 11/9/13 07:51 PM, NickBeard wrote: The only thing efficient enough to cause the universe to come into being from nothing is a god. Paintings require painters, sculptures require sculpters, and a Big Bang (or explosion) requires an exploder.

Then who or what caused God to come into being?

As a personal agent with divine omniscience, God could will himself into being. This only works if you believe in mind/body dualism, however. Do you believe there is a mind/body distinction in human beings? If you do, then that, writ large, is how an omniscient personal Creator could come into being.

The one reason I believe in God is that the Big Bang was an efficient cause of the universe. Efficient causes require something to cause the effect they produce. The only thing efficient enough to cause the universe to come into being from nothing is a god. Paintings require painters, sculptures require sculpters, and a Big Bang (or explosion) requires an exploder.

Gun control is bullshit for one simple reason- guns are easy to make if you have access to a welding rod and metalworking tools.

I could get them if I were a bad person and stole some from the high school right up the road from me.

Boom, I could download some instructions on making guns from some survivalist website and I could make a single-shot handgun. All you need is one shot to kill someone who you know but do not like. Simple.

Gun control nuts think if you get rid of firearms you will stop gun violence, but metal-working proves them retarded. Unless you revive Ned Ludd you are not going to stop people from owning guns and ammunition.

At 11/9/13 05:16 PM, 24901miles wrote:

At 11/9/13 04:47 PM, NickBeard wrote: The laws of mathematics which are closely related to them suggest there's a divine presence behind the universe though.

No, they don't. Again, you haven't read anything you're using to support your flimsy arguments.

The laws of mathematics exist necessarily in the universe as abstract objects. Mathematical equations are creatively designed by people. If they exist necessarily, then they must have been created by the thing that created the Universe. And what has a creative mind and could create the Universe? Oh yeah, God.

At 11/9/13 03:19 PM, Light wrote:

At 11/9/13 10:54 AM, Memorize wrote:

At 11/8/13 08:58 PM, Light wrote:

I'll have to agree with Angry-Hatter in asserting that consistency of the laws of physics isn't direct or indirect evidence of the existence of God(s).

You only say that because that's one area that's inconvenient for you.

lol, the laws of physics have never been inconvenient for me when it comes to denying or accepting the existence of God.

The laws of mathematics which are closely related to them suggest there's a divine presence behind the universe though.

After all, you don't jump out of the woodworks when the opposite claim is made over something we feel is "not fair" or "Chaotic."

"If God exists why does [insert bad thing here] happen?"

I've never used the problem of evil to deny the existence of God. The reason I don't believe in God has nothing to do with the existence of evil in the world. But I will say that the existence of evil in the world effectively refutes the idea that an omnibenevolent and omnipotent God exists.

The problem of evil doesn't refute anything, suffering in the world can bring people closer to God, free-will asnd the freedom to be evil or cause suffering can cause people to reform their lives and become better people.

Average atheist: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3AsVo3x_Fo.

Average theist: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vnjNbe5lyE.

Checkmate atheism.

At 11/8/13 09:31 AM, 24901miles wrote:

At 11/8/13 09:21 AM, NickBeard wrote: Immoral Libertarian: "the supernatural is bullshit"
"the Universe exploded from nothing"

Lol at atheists.

Agreed. All religion is obviously flawed, I don't know why atheists even waste their time going through the motions in these arguments anymore.

Whatever. I believe in God creating everything, you believe in a magical explosion creating everything from nothing.

The second option determining wehere eveyrything comes from is more illogical than the first.

Immoral Libertarian: "the supernatural is bullshit"
"the Universe exploded from nothing"

Lol at atheists.

At 11/7/13 01:54 PM, ImmoralLibertarian wrote:

At 11/7/13 12:44 PM, NickBeard wrote:

At 11/7/13 11:56 AM, ImmoralLibertarian wrote:

At 11/7/13 09:34 AM, NickBeard wrote: Would any of the atheists here like to provide some valid arguments against the existence of God? I am an agnostic, I'm willing to be convinced either way about whether God exists.

Gladly. But first you must define God.

I define my God as Yahweh, as revealed through the teachings Jesus Christ.

Okay dokey. But I still need more than that. Is Yahweh supernatural and is he the creator of all of existence?

Yahweh is a supernatural being because he is defined as outside of time and space in the Bible. Yes I believe he created everything, I believe the fine-tuning of the cosmos is evidence for that.

At 11/7/13 11:56 AM, ImmoralLibertarian wrote:

At 11/7/13 09:34 AM, NickBeard wrote: Would any of the atheists here like to provide some valid arguments against the existence of God? I am an agnostic, I'm willing to be convinced either way about whether God exists.

Gladly. But first you must define God.

I define my God as Yahweh, as revealed through the teachings Jesus Christ.

At 11/7/13 11:33 AM, Makakaov wrote: Buck Angel

*searches Buck Angel on google images*
*cries*

At 11/7/13 09:44 AM, 24901miles wrote:

At 11/7/13 09:32 AM, NickBeard wrote: Both things lack physical evidence supporting their existence and should be thought of as improbable on an atheistic materialist world-view.

From a mathematical perspective, we can say things are likely or not likely to exist using functional evidence.

...and you can use logic (the foundation of mathematics) to argue for God, too. You can look some of these deductive arguments on Wikipedia or in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.

Life is likely to exist elsewhere because life exists here and the conditions which caused life here also exist elsewhere.

There is no sacientifically supported theory explaining how life came to exist here. The seeding theory of life seems plausible in my view, but that was a very specific event, specific to our solar system.

However, the primary reason for acceptance of God's existence is a social one

Genetic fallacy, so what if you acquire belief in God through social factors, that doesn't disprove the belief any more than the belief in the Earth being round originating from reading a comic book would prove/disprove that belief.

with no functional evidence to support it

Seems you're ignorant of the philosophy supporting God's existence.

:and overwhelming evidence which contradicts religious beliefs.

No-one has seen all of the universe and so no-one can disprove the belief in God. There is no such thing.

Would any of the atheists here like to provide some valid arguments against the existence of God? I am an agnostic, I'm willing to be convinced either way about whether God exists.

At 11/7/13 06:26 AM, 24901miles wrote:

At 11/7/13 04:48 AM, NickBeard wrote:

At 11/6/13 08:48 PM, Ganon-Dorf wrote: The Drake Equation is pretty relevant here, if you think it holds water.

Oh here we go.

Psst… you're not going to get a good conversation about this by trolling with memes. You have to actually put effort into tour thoughts here. The most you'll get otherwise is some bored fellow pretending to take the bait.

That isn't bait, it's a fact that it's nonsensical to say God doesn't exist because there is no plausible evidence ofr him, hile at the same time believing aliens exist.

Both things lack physical evidence supporting their existence and should be thought of as improbable on an atheistic materialist world-view.

In 6000 years of recorded history, the African has invented nothing except for living in it's own shit and chucking spears.

Enjoy ur retarded baby.

At 11/6/13 08:48 PM, Ganon-Dorf wrote: The Drake Equation is pretty relevant here, if you think it holds water.

Oh here we go.

One thing I don't get about the KKK is that they're avowed anti-semites and avowed Christians. They have to worship the thing that they hate.

At 11/6/13 03:12 PM, Bishe wrote: Pimp will be dead before he hits level 61.

Based on the account's activity, I doubt there's just one person behind it.

At 11/6/13 01:39 AM, Sense-Offender wrote: Take allergy meds and switch to vaporizing.

This, lemonparty.org sells some really nice vaporizers.

At 11/6/13 02:24 PM, Supermonkeydude8888 wrote: "Yet, I can't find a way to stop it from happening."

>hasn't considered stopping smoking

le meme arrows outside of le 4chins xD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0DT6uljSbg&lc=3ECC75_henYmqMK_T9B7ws84GyNh2pP60oZ_s-k58ig.

At 11/6/13 04:00 AM, Sense-Offender wrote: Surely, nobody actually believes you can't have morality without religion...right?

No, nobody is saying that. What we are saying is that objective moral duties towards fellow human beings are irrelevant under an atheistic world-view that believes that morals are merely based upon culture or evolutionary instincts and that this causes problems for society.

At 11/5/13 07:34 PM, Xiicubed wrote: Why are they so evil and neo-colonialist? Why must they always have their hands on everything?

Loaded question.

At 11/5/13 03:11 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote:

At 11/5/13 02:51 PM, Memorize wrote: Which is exactly why I hate it just a little more when atheists preach to me than when religious people do.

At least religious people have a reason (even if half baked) to do it; atheists on the other hand, have none.

Why would you think that? Just because someone holds ideas and beliefs that didn't originate from the presumption of a caring universe or supernatural being doesn't mean they have any less reason to proselytize than someone whose ideas and beliefs did.

What reason do atheists have to ask people to believe their dogma? Their dogma is one of illogical materialism, which leaves no room for the soul or for any reason for a person to be alive.

It would be cool if there were some other forms of primordial life there, so we could find out more about our own origins.

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At 11/5/13 02:42 PM, Dr-Worm wrote:

:I mean, obviously it can't have anything to do with the loose regulation and wide availability of the actual lethal weapons used in all of these crimes.

Yeah we should ban all guns and all ammo and then we will never have another massacre ever again, just like peaceful gun-free Europe.