At 12/4/09 05:26 AM, ZStriefel wrote:

At 12/4/09 05:14 AM, nathanallenpinard wrote: It was about a year ago if I recall.

Btw, Michael Jackson died too..

Wow.. thats super lame.
umm..Earth to Nathan MJ died a long time ago :P

HAHA, I said that one time after hearing about it:

"Hey did you hear MJ died?"

"WTF?"

"Yeah....30 years ago"

It was about a year ago if I recall.

Btw, Michael Jackson died too..

At 12/3/09 07:11 PM, RKthrilla wrote: What is the best (free) way of converting your voice to sound like a movie announcer?

You talking about Don LaFontaine (rip) and that guys voice is natural, as well as others. There is no artifact free way to do it that I know of.

Or...grow huge nuts.

And insult to your work...I'm not even going to start.

Anyway OP, we can't recreate the song exactly, but we can create something similar in style.

No, it hasn't really died. Just not every genre maxes the settings anymore.

It really isn't a bad idea actually, assuming they would be sub genres. But it would be tough to categorize as not everyone would have the same feeling.

Autotune may fix pitch, but it doesn't fix other things like tone, breath support, and annunciation, which are all traits of good singing. It doesn't fix inconsistent vibrato either.

I'd probably recommend looking at Novation products if you are looking for a MIDI controller. CME makes decent stuff too. There there are the favorites such as Korg, Yamaha, etc.

It can take up to 9 months just to get royalties, fyi.

Muse wakes me up all the damned time, and doesn't even give me a courtesy fuck.

I mean...seriously.

At 12/3/09 02:32 AM, nal1200 wrote: Corporations are bad, mmkay?

Speaking of which, what about your deal with Holness?

If you don't mind me asking. No details needed.

First I go to a bar where chicks are looking for black guys.

Now I go to NG where a dude is looking for black guys.

FML.

Anyway, pitching down will sound horrible. Don't do that. Especially if your voice is in the tenor range.

At 12/3/09 01:48 AM, Quarl wrote:

At 12/3/09 01:45 AM, nathanallenpinard wrote:

Today in the music industry, honestly there's a lot of stuff that's getting better. Our worst time ever had to be the 80s. We had so many good artists, but we also had a truck load of one-suck wonders.

haha, my roommate would kill you over that statement. He's a fan of 80's one hit wonder songs :P

There are quite a few that are remember today, but a ton that were forgotten.

Which goes to show the music industry now-a-days is complete bullshit, you don't make money from the music, you make it from imagery and how you present it. Sure, some people are truly lucky and make it with talent, but by no means will you make it anywhere just from that.

I can see that, but honestly it' s been that way always. Presentation is always important, always has been. You make money from a combination of talent. And regardless what you might think, even the music you consider really crappy, took a great deal of effort and talent to do.

Today in the music industry, honestly there's a lot of stuff that's getting better. Our worst time ever had to be the 80s. We had so many good artists, but we also had a truck load of one-suck wonders.

On that Oxhorn Christmas for Geeks album, I used Melodyne, which is another brand of pitch correction (Auto-tune is just a brand0

Here's what interesting about the initial design of auto-tune:

Auto-Tune was initially created by Andy Hildebrand, an engineer working for Exxon. Hildebrand developed methods for interpreting seismic data, and subsequently realized that the technology could be used to detect, analyze, and modify pitch.[2]

At 12/3/09 12:57 AM, Kirbyfemur wrote:

At 12/3/09 12:53 AM, nathanallenpinard wrote: Auto-tune is used in almost every project, mainly to save time.

For instance, your comment about learning how to sing. How you sang in a studio before with expensive high quality mics? It's worlds different than the stage or your home studio. You may have nailed the most perfect take except one note that was slightly bad. What to do?

Auto-tune.

Also auto-tune helps with making background vocals much smoother. Especially when it comes to sync'ing your S's and T's.

Well i guess I've learned wrong... I kinda feel like a dick. I'm just wondering what people would of had to do without auto tune. 'Cause there was a time where people had to just gut it out and do it all on one take.

Well, mutiple takes, just more time consuming. The engineer would have to manually punch in record to fix any parts. Basically the vocal would sing with their already recorded vocals, and the engineer would "punch in" and then "punch out" to fix something.

To get the autotune effect, there was talk boxes back in the day. Such as what Peter Frampton used, as well as a number of other artists. Background vocals were usually chorused to make them sound smoother. In the 80s just about anything was chorused, including the main vocals.

Also, today we have digital recording and high quality mics that will pick up your stomach growling, let along a bad note in your singing.

Auto-tune is used in almost every project, mainly to save time.

For instance, your comment about learning how to sing. How you sang in a studio before with expensive high quality mics? It's worlds different than the stage or your home studio. You may have nailed the most perfect take except one note that was slightly bad. What to do?

Auto-tune.

Also auto-tune helps with making background vocals much smoother. Especially when it comes to sync'ing your S's and T's.

This is how record labels work:

Essentially it's a huge loan given to you after you sign. You are given a certain amount for the produced music (you studio of choice usually) and they pay for all the promotion materials, lawyer fees, etc. Lots of lots of cash goes into you before you even release the album.

When the album is released, you have to sell X number of copies to PAY BACK the loan. After that you begin to recieve cash. If the album goes platinum, you make tons of it. Royalties can add up, especially with a hit album.

If you don't make enough, basically your done and the record company finds someone else. You usually don't have to pay back a cent, even if you fail. This is course varies from contract to contract (which people should read carefully, and have a lawyer look at it)

It sounds like the article writer simply didn't sell enough. 300,000 isn't enough. Usually with a major label, you have to sell 1 million before you see a cent.

Today things vary a bit more than they used to however, so it depends on the deal. For instance, if you get featured in a film, that's much more cash. If you wrote the song, that can equal more cash as well.

The Disney project I was a part of, was so low budget that royalties usually come in full value, however the split was so much that it won't be enough to make a living. Not to mention the album could bomb.

It was also used in Portal for the voice of GlaDOS.

The act of torrenting is not illegal. It depends what you are downloading that's illegal.

At 12/3/09 12:19 AM, MazinMark wrote: Many people don't like auto-tune, becuase it takes less skill. You may think I am crazy, but I personally just like the sound of it. I'm just curious, what do you think of auto-tune?

Auto-tune can be used to sound transparent and not as noticeable. The effect your talking about is an overkill setting. Before that, there was talk boxes.

WTF

Round and round she goes...

"Since than I have been able to make Orchestrated music. (Just in case you wanted to know, my first orchestrated song after listening to them perform is on my profile, its called Team of 3 demo, my second is Paladins Ride.)"

Did you put the newer one we did up?

Dude this happens to everybody. To me twice....
Just try to think about the things you do have in life.

It's worse when they cheat on you, leave you, then they are across the street everyday...

You want your song to peak at -0.3 db (or somewhere around there). This is because when you convert to various format it can leave artifacts if you peak at 0db.

At 12/1/09 09:33 PM, jarrydn wrote: What the fuck was that?

That was literally the shittest thing I have ever heard in my life. Don't give up your dayjob, you aren't the next Aaron Spectre.

Not to conform to the OP, but I have to admit, that's an odd way to program percussion. It's abrasive to the ears, but I believe that was the point.

Actually, he's talking about pitches which cause a resonating body to create resonation patterns in a medium, such as sand, salt or a viscous body. It's an interesting aspect of sound and science, but not the Holy Grail of compositional theory as Cala supports and quantifies all composers.

That sounds to be more the science of sound itself, not music.

I really just don't see now classics verses music today are truely different. We can talk about way-over-my-head-btw stuff all you want. But really, isn't this argument really just a comparison of those to play/compose by ear, and those that play/compose using theory and logic? Because it's a mix of both today.

Is that really what we're talking about here?

They are making their songs peak at probably -0.3db, and using a limiter or compressor to reduce the dynamic range.

Also, the dynamic range of a song also varies from genre to genre. Some genre never go below -4db, some go as low as -60db (orchestral)