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At 12/30/14 09:38 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 12/29/14 10:21 PM, naronic wrote: rense.com?
Are you really this much of a fucking idiot?

http://www.rense.com/general77/chinsec.htm

It's the first one I googled. here's another.

Here's my advice to you,

Quit falling in love with the first google searched source to agree with you and start applying skepticism to the things that you decide to cite. That will help you avoid citing things like rense.com in the future. Is the source from an institute/journal you can trust? If you looking up news articles try to find out where they're getting their sources since news articles are not studies or reports.

It's not my fault you're too fucking lazy to look into things on your own.

I gave your source the benefit of the doubt despite it being a press release and not a study and having popups all over the place and tried to find the original report from the "SA Institute of Race Relations" which the article you cited didn't cite itself.

Here is a quote said to be from the original report-
Although it was difficult to say whether the figure was correct without further analysis of the statistics, it appeared to be “about correct”.
"Said De Wet: “These figures, not confirmed or disqualified, would suggest the trend in South African society of crimes being under-reported.”"

This essentially is an open admission. The ideas in this "report", aren't confirmed and need further testing.

Here is what a real report looks like

"Because the collection of police crime data largely depends on the public to report offences, it
is unrealistic to expect the police to have information about all crime that occurs in a particular
place.Crime types that are particularly affected by low levels of reporting are the less serious
property crimes such as petty theft, as well as other crimes like fraud, corruption, sexual
assault and crimes against children. Victim surveys — which ask a representative sample of
people in a particular area what crimes they have experienced over a specific time period —
can supplement police data to fill many of the gaps in crime information."

"The national Victims of Crime survey of 1998 did however ask whether victims reported the
most recent incident of victimisation to the police. This information indicates which crimes are
more likely to be reported and thus which aspects of police data are most valid. The survey
showed that broadly, reporting patterns were similar to those in other countries. Most victims
reported serious property crimes and some serious violent crimes such as car hijacking,
vehicle theft, burglary and murder. Less serious property crimes and personal violent crimes
such as attempted burglary, theft of a bicycle, mugging, assault and sexual offences, were
reported by less than half the victims."

"Based on the committee’s findings and other ISS research, the status of police crime
statistics in terms of reliability is that broad trends are reliable — especially national,
provincial and area trends (because the numbers are large enough to ‘absorb’ a few
mistakes)."

This information is from the Institute for Security Studies, a regional partner of the UN Office of Drugs and Crime. If you want reliable information check there first.

edit
Here is a more recent source:
http://www.issafrica.org/uploads/ISS-crime-statistics-factsheet-2013-2014.pdf

It calls homicide "the most reliable crime statistic".
It goes on to say that in the last 2 years there's been a slight uptick in homicide, however "For the first time in 20 years the number of murders and the murder rate has increased for a second consecutive year"

At 12/29/14 11:40 PM, X-Gary-Gigax-X wrote:

At 12/29/14 11:16 PM, naronic wrote:

At 12/29/14 10:41 PM, X-Gary-Gigax-X wrote:

The source is clearly unreliable about the historical profile of Hitler, I'll give you that, but that does not by default automatically make them a horse shit factory about every thing. The article about South Africa was a valid source.

Says who? You?
What are the credentials of Rense? Does it employ any standards of quality control with it's articles? If so, why is it so clogged with bull crap?

At 12/29/14 10:41 PM, X-Gary-Gigax-X wrote:

At 12/29/14 08:47 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 12/28/14 02:07 PM, naronic wrote:

http://www.rense.com/general39/reose.htm

rense.com?
Are you really this much of a fucking idiot?

http://www.rense.com/general77/chinsec.htm

Just because rense has one questionable article does not mean everything they produce is garbage. This is the ad homina fallacy. The website's prior, unrelated stories have no bearing on their honesty in this current story.

http://rense.com/general77/histor.htm
http://www.rense.com/general78/ilumm.htm
http://www.rense.com/general58/suspre.htm
http://www.rense.com/general50/itle.htm

And no, it is not an ad hominem. Don't be ridiculous.
It's not an ad hominem to ask for decent non-lazy sourcing, it's something I shouldn't even have to ask of a debater in the first place.

It doesn't matter if SadisticMonkey "backs what he says with sources" where those sources come from and how reliable they are MATTERS. A forum post could be used as a source for goodness sake would you cite one in the middle of an important debate?

At 12/29/14 08:47 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 12/28/14 02:07 PM, naronic wrote:

http://www.rense.com/general39/reose.htm

rense.com?
Are you really this much of a fucking idiot?

http://www.rense.com/general77/chinsec.htm

At 12/28/14 07:00 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 12/28/14 03:11 AM, Korriken wrote:

At 12/27/14 09:35 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

Well European rule saw an almost entirely empty and undeveloped country turned into one of the most prosperous countries in Africa and a first-world country in many respects. Black rule has seen south africa go from the safest country in africa to the murder capital of the world

Apartheid ended in 1994.

South Africa's "crime surge" started in the 1980's and 1970's and modern data has shown that in most places violent crime has been steadily dropping from 2004 to now.
http://www.saps.gov.za/resource_centre/publications/statistics/crimestats/2014/crime_stats.php
http://www.csvr.org.za/index.php/publications/1518-crime-trends-in-south-africa-1985-1998.html

Also the "prosperous, beautiful growth" of South Africa during apartheid is mostly an illusion. It was mostly the "prosperous, beautiful growth" of a single small demographic of Afrikaners whom mostly had representation and power during that period thanks to the National Party.

I encourage everyone to approach SadisticMonkey's daily drivel with heavy skepticism. Ask for sources and review the sources he chooses to use. Don't take what he says at face value because most of it's probably false. It's a track record sort of thing.

At 12/25/14 02:05 PM, Ranger2 wrote: 7: Check your sources. If you wouldn't use a source in a graded essay, don't use it here.

^This
Someone should make this their signature.

Other than that you pretty much hit the nail on the head.
If I were to add anything on to this list it would be to not make your reply look like BBS post equivalent of a zebra.

Don't break up a post and attempt to reply to every quote nervously and hastily moments after you see the reply, it creates messy looking patchwork posts that nobody feels compelled to read through and increases your chances of making mistakes or missing key points in your opponents argument.

If someone replies to you post, take a breather, collect your thoughts and attempt to understand theirs. Once you have a good grasp on what they're saying, refute them in bulk. Choose specific lines and/or paragraphs you want to respond to, place them neatly in once spot and begin to type your rebuttal in essay format underneath.

Much more pleasing to both take part in, look at, and read.

At 12/18/14 08:20 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 12/14/14 01:24 PM, naronic wrote:

The study shows that when accounting for the difference in behavior of the races, the disparity between black drug users and arrests is actually only 13%, much lower than most progressives claim. This value doesn't take into account the different rates of criminality between races and it also admits that this value is assumes accurate survey results regarding drug use and that this is not necessarily a valid assumption. Which means that the 13% value is in all likelihood even lower

The source actually says that although the rates of drug use denial among criminally active persons is not accounted for,
blacks and whites were equally as likely to be drug use deniers upon arrest.
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rdusda.pdf
The source itself is skeptical that this can explain the 13% difference. The only thing we know for sure now is that there IS a significant difference.

Unless of course, you have a source to claim that it CAN explain it.

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I want to point you to a post you made earlier in this thread.

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1378800/2#bbspost25328193_post_text

The fact that white people receive less jail times than blacks is literally claimed to be an example of white privilege (even though the gap is non-existent when you control for previous crimes).

And once again, blacks commit more violent crime than anyone so receive more police attention,

Again I can literally refute you with your own source
http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/25/race-and-justice-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/

"There is good data that police stop blacks more often, both on the road and in neighborhoods. Studies conflict over whether the extra stops are justifiable; likely this varies by jurisdiction. Extra neighborhood stops are most likely neighborhood-related effects rather than race-related per se, but the neighborhood effects do disproportionately target black people."

"Blacks appear to be arrested for drug use at a rate four times that of whites. Adjusting for known confounds reduces their rate to twice that of whites."

"Most recent studies suggest a racial sentencing disparity of about 15%, contradicting previous studies that showed lower or no disparity. Changes in sentencing guidelines are one possible explanation; poorly understood methodological differences are a second. Capital punishment still sucks."

"There seems to be a strong racial bias in capital punishment and a moderate racial bias in sentence length and decision to jail.

There is ambiguity over the level of racial bias, depending on whose studies you want to believe and how strictly you define “racial bias”, in police stops, police shootings in certain jurisdictions, and arrests for minor drug offenses."

Here's what we know so far from the studies we've cited:
Excluding violent crime, blacks receive more police attention when you control for different behaviors.
The justice system gives harsher sentences to blacks.

This goes on top of the stuff that I have already cited previously
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374804/

None of these studies actually refute the color of crime itself,

Yes they do.
http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html
If the conclusion of the color of crime is "Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities", and we can repeatedly show that they are in certain respects, the entire study can get called into question.

You're crawling up an a ball with this whole "IT USEZ FBI STATISTIKS" when there are lots of ways to use, abuse and interpret statistics. Simply using surveys and statistics doesn't really say much about the validity of this study, especially when an overwhelming number of other better studies have used a lot of the same kinds of data sets to come to opposite conclusions.

Why isn't this study peer reviewed or in any reputable journal?
Because the entire peer review system is somehow biased against it's position?
Give me a break.

The color of crime was never a hot button source, it was never peer reviewed or published in any journal of merit.
Doing a google scholar search you'd be hard pressed to even find a copy of the original article.
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=color+of+crime&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C47&as_sdtp=

It was originally featured on American Renaissance, making any and every claim that it makes is no more valid coming from it than if it came from a buzzfeed article.
The fact that it uses FBI statistics makes no difference, most of the studies used here use national or federal statistics or studies of some sort.

http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/rd_sentencing_review.pdf
^This uses studies from the US department of justice

Even Tim Wise can use national or federal level studies to refute the color of crime
http://www.timwise.org/2004/11/race-crime-and-sloppy-social-science/
United States Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, Criminal Victimization in the United States, 2002, Statistical Tables, (U.S. Department of Justice, 2004)
United States Department of Justice, FBI Uniform Crime Reports, “Hate Crime Statistics,” (various years, 1995-2000), and calculations by the author.
United States Department of Justice, FBI Uniform Crime Reports, 2002, “Hate Crime Statistics, 2001

I told you to read my previous post.
I'll just put this here-
Now the broad category of "blacks" being referred to do commit more crimes on average. I'm not going to lie, there are large problems with the culture that certain African Americans surround themselves with- however what were looking at here is more of a feedback loop with extra variables. Different treatment by authorities coupled with different cultures surrounding blacks generally feed into the different behaviors that may, in turn, cause the different treatment. I don't think we should absolve either side.

Once again you're being really rude to people while simultaneously not knowing what you're talking about. Your latest posts contain no citations, so I'm going to wrap this up soon.

If your next posts don't contain anything in the way of a peer reviewed source or even a decent source, I'm going to head out, this is turning into a futile exercise.

OR...
we could all simply collectively be patient and wait for synthetic implants and direct genetic engineering.

At 12/14/14 05:46 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 12/14/14 03:49 AM, naronic wrote:

None of which provide a jot of evidence to dispute the claim that black people don't commit more violent crime per capita than whites when controlling for socio-economic factors :^)

Read my post again.
please take the time.

At 12/14/14 05:46 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 12/14/14 03:49 AM, naronic wrote:

At 12/14/14 05:46 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 12/14/14 03:49 AM, naronic wrote:

So, not what I was talking about?

You cited the source more than 2 times and how it's key findings are not a part of your argument?

Outside of what amounts to blog posts you're actually giving me sources to use against you.

The blog post you citeddoesn't even agree with your source that the justice system isn't biased against minorities.
"There is good data that police stop blacks more often, both on the road and in neighborhoods. Studies conflict over whether the extra stops are justifiable; likely this varies by jurisdiction. Extra neighborhood stops are most likely neighborhood-related effects rather than race-related per se, but the neighborhood effects do disproportionately target black people."

citation of the very study cited in the blog, I suggest you take the time to read all of it
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rdusda.pdf

"Most recent studies suggest a racial sentencing disparity of about 15%, contradicting previous studies that showed lower or no disparity."

"There seems to be a strong racial bias in capital punishment and a moderate racial bias in sentence length and decision to jail. "

And the blog itself relies too much on outdated sources from the 70's and early 80's for certain conclusions it wants to make and it acknowledges this.
http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1982-24517-001
https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/abstractdb/AbstractDBDetails.aspx?id=53887
https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/abstractdb/AbstractDBDetails.aspx?id=41735

You do realize that most of what you're citing disagrees with you, right?
It's crucial that you understand this.

At 12/13/14 10:59 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 12/12/14 06:55 PM, naronic wrote:

The report controls for crime rates on the basis of income, education and employment and blacks still commit disproportionate amounts of crime so this criticism is complete garbage.
Peer-reviewed journals would never publish such findings regardless of their statistical validity.

Here's the crux of the issue laid out on the table
among the color of crime's "major findings" was that "Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities"

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1985377
"Using rich data linking federal cases from arrest through sentencing, we assess the contribution of prosecutors' initial charging decisions to large observed black-white disparities in sentence length. Pre-charge characteristics, including arrest offense and criminal history, can explain about 80% of these disparities, but substantial gaps remain across the distribution. On average, blacks receive almost 10% longer sentences than comparable whites arrested for the same crimes. At least half this gap can be explained by initial charging choices, particularly the filing of charges carrying mandatory minimum sentences. Prosecutors are, ceteris paribus, almost twice as likely to file such charges against blacks"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374804/
"Persons of color compose 60% of the incarcerated population. In 1996, Blacks constituted 62.6% of drug offenders in state prisons. Nationwide, the rate of persons admitted to prison on drug charges for Black men is 13 times that for White men, and in 10 states, the rates are 26 to 57 times those for White men. People of color are not more likely to do drugs; Black men do not have an abnormal predilection for intoxication. They are, however, more likely to be arrested and prosecuted for their use."

publication in political science quarterly
double blind peer reviewed
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.2307/2658075/abstract
link to the full pdf can be found here:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?cluster=4632062625105229990&hl=en&as_sdt=0,47
Professor Cathy Schnieder of International Service at American University notes that in 1989, African Americans, representing 12-15 percent of all drug use in the United States, made up 41 percent of all arrests for drug related offenses. That is a noted increase from 38 percent in 1988. Whites were 47 percent of those in state-funded treatment centers and made up less than 10 percent of those committed to prison for drug related offenses

http://www.americanbarfoundation.org/uploads/cms/documents/correll.park.judd.wittenbrink.sadler.keesee.2007.pdf
Also can be found in the APA.
"Police officers were compared with community members in terms of the speed and accuracy with which
they made simulated decisions to shoot (or not shoot) Black and White targets. Both samples exhibited
robust racial bias in response speed. Officers outperformed community members on a number of
measures, including overall speed and accuracy. Moreover, although community respondents set the
decision criterion lower for Black targets than for White targets (indicating bias), police officers did not.
The authors suggest that training may not affect the speed with which stereotype-incongruent targets are
processed but that it does affect the ultimate decision (particularly the placement of the decision
criterion). Findings from a study in which a college sample received training support this conclusion."

http://faculty.washington.edu/agg/pdf/GO%26H.JESP.2003.pdf
also available at science direct and the apa
"Rapid actions to persons holding weapons were simulated using desktop virtual reality. Subjects responded to simulated (a)
criminals, by pointing the computers mouse at them and left-clicking (simulated shooting), (b) fellow police officers, by pressing the spacebar (safety signal), and (c) citizens, by inaction. In one of two tasks Black males holding guns were police officers while White males holding guns were criminals. In the other, Whites with guns were police and Blacks with guns were criminals. In both tasks Blacks or Whites holding harmless objects were citizens. Signal detection analyses revealed two race effects that led to Blacks being incorrectly shot at more than Whites: a perceptual sensitivity effect (when held by Blacks guns were less distinguishable from harmless objects) and a response bias effect (objects held by Blacks were more likely to be treated as guns)."

I'm not trying to attack you here, I'm trying to help you understand how to argue better. So everytime I scroll down the page I don't see paragraphs of unsupported statements, bad sourcing, with rude ad-hominems folded and sandwiched in between. It's really an eye sore.

As for your source, it really doesn't prove much of anything. You're clinging to one source out of many, better sources that disagree with it (and that I can cite just as easily),
you can personally believe what it says but that's about it.

Now the broad category of "blacks" being referred to do commit more crimes on average. I'm not going to lie, there are large problems with the culture that certain African Americans surround themselves with- however what were looking at here is more of a feedback loop with extra variables. Different treatment by authorities coupled with different cultures surrounding blacks generally feed into the different behaviors that may, in turn, cause the different treatment. I don't think we should absolve either side.

At 12/12/14 06:55 PM, naronic wrote:

At 12/11/14 10:39 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 12/11/14 08:45 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:

SO ARE BLACK PEOPLE, that's the fucking point.

http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html

The color of crime is a booklet (not a study and most certainly not peer-reviewed or published in any journal of merit as places like Ncjrs are just reference services ) that was produced by Jared Taylor and has come under heavy criticism from everyone from Cambrage University to the Southern Poverty law center.

here I accidentally minced sources.
I can't find color of crime in any peer reviewed journal of merit at all.

At 12/11/14 10:39 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 12/11/14 08:45 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:

SO ARE BLACK PEOPLE, that's the fucking point.

http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html

The color of crime is a booklet (not a study and most certainly not peer-reviewed or published in any journal of merit as places like Ncjrs are just reference services ) that was produced by Jared Taylor and has come under heavy criticism from everyone from Cambrage University to the Southern Poverty law center.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Century_Foundation#Criticism

It's not a source I'd throw my money behind.

instead try and sample from peer reviewed journals

At 12/11/14 12:55 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 12/11/14 12:43 AM, naronic wrote:

At 12/10/14 08:52 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: The fact that white people receive less jail times than blacks is literally claimed to be an example of white privilege (even though the gap is non-existent when you control for previous crimes).

source?

Look at the prison system and what races dominate the prisons.

SadisticMonkey's key claim " (even though the gap is non-existent when you control for previous crimes)"

At 12/10/14 08:52 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: The fact that white people receive less jail times than blacks is literally claimed to be an example of white privilege (even though the gap is non-existent when you control for previous crimes).

source?

At 11/11/14 06:31 PM, 24901miles wrote: What do you usually do on your birthday?

How would you prefer to spend your birthdays?

Do you follow any rituals for celebrating other peoples' birthdays?

Birthday blumpkin

jk

You scare pretty easy don't you?

At 11/5/14 08:17 PM, X-Gary-Gigax-X wrote:

At 11/5/14 08:15 PM, naronic wrote:

At 11/5/14 08:09 PM, Slint wrote:

At 11/5/14 04:01 PM, Wegra wrote:

At 11/5/14 03:54 PM, orangebomb wrote:

1984?

I was going to say the fight for gay rights or the fight to legalize drugs but I think that fits too.

At 11/5/14 08:09 PM, Slint wrote:

At 11/5/14 04:01 PM, Wegra wrote:

At 11/5/14 03:54 PM, orangebomb wrote:

You people are the cancer of society.

urr durr as long as it doesn't hurt anyone

There's laws to abide to, and they exist for a reason,

Hmm, where is that familiar...

At 11/5/14 03:12 PM, Kel-chan wrote:

At 11/5/14 02:09 PM, Profanity wrote:
Yep, BLAH BLAH BLAH I'm a hardcore marxist and I don't even know it and I like repeating what I hear on MSNBC

God Bless the Grand Old Party.

I guess you missed the part where I said Both parties are tards....

Why don't you try putting what grey matter you have on an exercise bike and actually read profanity's post.

The mafia's moving online???
The mafia's moving online!!!

black

At 9/10/14 08:32 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: These findings regarding expression don't necessarily imply that racial IQ differences would have no genetic component.

We don't even know if IQ objectively measures intelligence.
We can use it to measure aptitudes in certain 1st world socio-economic systems but whether or not low intelligence is a characteristic of a certain population group will be settled along the lines of molecular genetic studies.

At 9/10/14 08:18 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 9/10/14 03:16 PM, naronic wrote: Our brains

This doesn't prove what you seem to think it does.

explain

What we found when doing a "racial comparison"

http://biostat.jhsph.edu/~jleek/papers/carlosbrain.pdf
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v478/n7370/abs/nature10524.html

Our brains are all made of the same stuff. Despite individual and ethnic genetic diversity, our prefrontal cortex shows a consistent molecular architecture. For example, overall differences in the genetic code (“genetic distance”) between African -Americans (AA) and caucasians (cauc) showed no effect on their overall difference in expressed transcripts (“transcriptional distance”). The vertical span of color-coded areas is about the same, indicating that our brains all share the same tissue at a molecular level, despite distinct DNA differences on the horizontal axis. Each dot represents a comparison between two individuals. The AA::AA comparisons (blue) generally show more genetic diversity than cauc::cauc comparisons (yellow), because caucasians are descended from a relatively small subset of ancestors who migrated from Africa, while African Americans are descended from a more diverse gene pool among the much larger population that remained in Africa. AA::cauc comparisons (green) differed most across their genomes as a whole, but this had no effect on their transcriptomes as a whole.

At 9/10/14 05:29 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 9/5/14 11:56 AM, ChloeFlora wrote: Sorry pal, that were not facts! That was your personal attitude!

Are you denying that the avergae IQs of african-american and hispanics (for whatever reason) are lower than that of whites and north-east asians?

So let me put it this way

gene expression studies have already been made concerning this particular topic measuring the very Transcription and expression of genes to get a comprehensive look at how each SNP effects gene expression.

What can the transcriptome tell us?
http://www.genome.gov/13014330
"The sequence of an RNA mirrors the sequence of the DNA from which it was transcribed. Consequently, by analyzing the entire collection of RNAs (transcriptome) in a cell, researchers can determine when and where each gene is turned on or off in the cells and tissues of an organism.

Depending on the technique used, it is often possible to count the number of transcripts to determine the amount of gene activity, also called gene expression, in a certain cell or tissue type."

This is what we did for the prefrontal cortex, (the most recently evolved part of our brains)

http://www.nih.gov/news/health/oct2011/nimh-26.htm
"Having at our fingertips detailed information about when and where specific gene products are expressed in the brain brings new hope for understanding how this process can go awry in schizophrenia, autism and other brain disorders," said NIMH Director Thomas R. Insel, M.D.

Both studies measured messenger RNAs (mrna)or transcripts. These intermediate products carry the message from DNA, the genetic blueprint, to create proteins and differentiated brain tissue. Each gene can make several transcripts, which are expressed in patterns influenced by a subset of the approximately 1.5 million DNA variations unique to each of us. This unique set of transcripts is called our transcriptome " a molecular signature that is unique to every individual. The transcriptome is a measure of the diverse functional potential that exists in the brain."

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v478/n7370/abs/nature10524.html
http://biostat.jhsph.edu/~jleek/papers/carlosbrain.pdf

"To explore the relationship between the genome as a whole and the
PFC transcriptome as a whole, we compared genetic distance and
transcriptional distance in all possible pairwise subject comparisons
(Fig. 4). Although individual SNPs clearly have an impact on the
expression of individual genes (Fig. 3 and Supplementary Table 6)
globally, there is no association of genetic distance between individual
humans with the similarity of their prefrontal transcriptional profiles
(Fig. 4, R2 5 0.002)"

Global comparison of genetic and transcriptional differences between subjects.
Each point represents a comparison of two subjects in the collection. Genetic
distance between subjects is depicted on the x axis as the number of differing
alleles over the portion of the genome interrogated. Transcriptional distance is
shown on the y axis as 1 minus the correlation across all gene expression values
from the subjects (as used in Fig. 1c). Each subject comparison is coloured to
indicate the races (AA, African American; Cauc., Caucasian) of the two
individuals involved in the comparison. The thick black curve is an estimate of
the local mean (loess, span 5 0.25) of transcriptional distance as it varies across
genetic distance. The thin black curves depict fits to the residuals around this
mean. Only African American and Caucasian sample comparisons are
visualized here (.96% of the collection)."

If you want an idea of how many SNP you can get in a Microarray study
"DNA resources and analysis. DNAfor genotyping was obtained from the cerebella
of 266 of the total 269 samples in the collection and applied to either Illumina
Infinium II 650K or Illumina Infinium HD Gemini 1M Duo BeadChips according
to manufacturer"s protocols. Only genotypes common to both platforms are
analysed here. Genotypes were called using BeadExpress software. SNPs were
removed if the call rate was ,98% (mean call rate for this study .99%), if not in
Hardy"Weinberg equilibrium (P , 0.001) within Caucasian and within African
American races separately, or not polymorphic (MAF ,0.01). The total number
of SNPs remaining in the analysis was
625,439 (96.2%)"

almost every SNP polymorphic for the human prefrontal cortex

There are other gene expression studies using Microarrays as well that repeat this process using race or ethnicity as a variable and they have similar findings.

http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/mp2013197a.html

"Large-scale association studies with cortical thickness in adolescents
Given that left-right asymmetry of the brain is a well-known phenomenon35,36 that may be triggered by left-right differential gene expression,37,38 we analyzed each hemisphere separately. Highest associations with left cortical thickness were found for SNPs on chromosome 15 (Figure 2a, Table 2 and Supplementary Figure 1), with one SNP, rs7171755 (^6;=W22;0.01973; P=1.12 " 10W22;7), passing the threshold of Bonferroni-corrected significance (the Bonferroni-adjusted significance threshold for association with the selected 54R01;837 SNPs, on the left and right hemispheres, was P=4.56 " 10W22;7). In the right hemisphere, highest associations with cortical thickness were found on chromosome 11 (Supplementary Figure 2); however, none remained significant after Bonferroni correction for multiple testing. rs7171755 was associated with right cortical thickness at P=3.22 " 10W22;4 (^6;=W22;0.0134; Table 2). Neither handedness nor ethnicity influenced this association. It is worth pointing out that our gene selection procedure resulted in significant gene enrichment: estimation of the variance explained by the SNPs using Genome-wide Complex Trait Analysis27 indicated that the 59R01;643 selected SNPs explain 13.3% (s.e.=0.093, P=0.02) of the total variance in left cortical thickness, a fivefold enrichment relative to the 22.2% (s.e.=0.195, P=0.03) variance explained by considering all 506R01;932 genotyped SNPs simultaneously."

https://www.eva.mpg.de/fileadmin/content_files/staff/paabo/pdf/Weickert_Transcriptome_MolPsych_2009.pdf
http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v14/n6/abs/mp20095a.html

race, pH and postmortem interval (PMI) counted for only
< 2% of variance while gender accounted for ~8%

In light of this information I have to ask you do you have any microarray gene expression data that shows that races diverge significantly in terms of gene expression in the brain?

-ls in mexico.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/mexicos-cartel-fighting-vigilantes-get-closer-texas-border-n151441
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2014/05/mexicos-vigilantes/100734/
http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-vigilantes-20140602-story.html
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/139462/patricio-asfura-heim-and-ralph-h-espach/the-rise-of-mexicos-self-defense-forces

"The men were members of a self-defense group, one of a growing number of vigilante organizations aiming to restore order to Mexican communities. “We have besieged the municipality,” said a spokesperson for the group, “because here criminals operate with impunity in broad daylight.”

Mexico has suffered staggering levels of violence and crime during the country’s seven-year-long war against the cartels. The fighting has killed 90,000 people so far, a death toll larger, as of this writing, than that of the civil war in Syria. Homicide rates have tripled since 2007. In an effort to stem the carnage, Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto announced last December that the federal government, having struggled to defeat the cartels using corrupt local police and an inadequate military, would create an elite national police force of 10,000 officers by the end of this year.

Many Mexicans are unwilling to wait. In communities across the country, groups of men have donned masks, picked up rifles and machetes, and begun patrolling their neighborhoods and farmland. As in the Tierra Colorada incident, their behavior is not always pretty. Several months ago, another such group in the state of Guerrero detained 54 people for over six weeks, accusing them of crimes ranging from stealing cattle to murder. After a series of unofficial trials, they handed 20 of them over to local prosecutors and let the rest go free."

Any thoughts on this?
How do you think this might effect the drug war and drug cartels in mexico?
More importantly how do you think this will effect the US in terms of involvement in Mexico?
What do you think this says about Mexican law enforcement?

I really think we should wait at least 3 to 6 months after blowups like this and trayvon to create official threads. Better more complete information to go off of then.

At 8/17/14 04:16 PM, Sensationalism wrote: That whole continent can just sink into the ocean and we'll all be better off.

If we're lucky they'll all kill each other thus eliminating the disease.

I'M SORRY THAT I'M WILLING TO GET RID OF A FEW THOUSAND PEOPLE TO DESTROY A DISEASE THAT KILLS 970,000 OUT OF A MILLION

There, have we all gotten that out of our system?

It took place in a slum where people are a little bit edgy about their own government
"Distrust of government runs high in West Point, with rumors regularly circulating that the government plans to clear the slum out entirely."

people there seem to not be all that educated, and I do support lethal force for the armed troublemakers.
Liberia really needs to send some more soldiers down there.

once in 2013,
very surreal like a city suspended on water, where you can walk for a minute to an arcade, walk another minute to get to a buffet and then walk for another minute to get to a nightclub or a hot tub outside while its raining.