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At 3/16/08 07:13 AM, am-WEE wrote:

At 3/16/08 05:45 AM, MobilnaReakcija wrote:

Im not sure where or what kind of footage you saw, but please dont base your opinion on American's on spurious stereotypes. Most Americans are nice and helpful people. They may be headstrong and proud, but thats what enables and drives us to help those in need. In regards to Bush, I hate him too, as he is a shitty representation of America. Furthermore, you cant really blame America for "Americanizing" your own country. We did not force our values upon your country. They were just very useful and freely adopted.

Just footage of Australians asking American's where certain countries and landmarks were...and they had no idea. Heard of CNNNN or Chaser's War on Everything? Look em up on YouTube. The Americans where totally ignorant to the world around them. I don't base my opinion on these stereotypes but it would be easier for me to understand what american's where really like if i actually went to America...although i suppose each state is different. Also the amount of religious prejuduce that seems to be apparent...Obama's votes going down because he was accused of being Islamic!!

Every rose has its thorns. I dont really hate the American people more for refusing to vote for Obama because of their assumption that he was Muslim. I hate Obama himself more. That is because when those "accusations" came about, he denied being a Muslim vehemently and denied every being one. The way he denied it gave me the hint that he loathed being considered a Muslim and hated even when it was spoken. He could have denied it with much more respect, such as saying: Even if i was Muslim, that would not matter to me in this race. Im here to represent the people of the US. Something like that. Goes to show what candidates are willing to do to secure a vote. They would sell their souls if need be. All in all, you are right about one thing about the American people: They can be disrespectful of others views, and they live in genuine fear of Islam. That does equal discrimination, as I am Muslim myself and have taken flak for it here. I have to say its unfair, but its the disillusionment that gnaws at the American conscience. Otherwise, they are decent folk. In addition, Im from Bosnia, so I blend in easily. Maybe if i was Arab I would have gotten more shit. No one knows. Regardless, Americans just need to grow out of this one silly superstition and they should be alright for the most part.

At 3/16/08 04:51 AM, am-WEE wrote: I don't hate American's
I wish i knew what American's where really like
in Australia they're stereotyped as ignorant, arrogant, idiotic etc..
I don't know any American's so i can't agree with this
but i've seen shit loads of footage of Americans proving these stereotypes are true
i don't like the fact that you have so much power. everything here is americanised.
that's what i dislike.
plus i hate BUSH
haha

Im not sure where or what kind of footage you saw, but please dont base your opinion on American's on spurious stereotypes. Most Americans are nice and helpful people. They may be headstrong and proud, but thats what enables and drives us to help those in need. In regards to Bush, I hate him too, as he is a shitty representation of America. Furthermore, you cant really blame America for "Americanizing" your own country. We did not force our values upon your country. They were just very useful and freely adopted.

At 3/15/08 09:36 PM, thedo12 wrote: .

It seems you're pulling an Imperator. After losing arguments you roll around the forums talking about me instead of talking to me about the actual topics that got you bitter in the first place. All for some sense of revenge.

lol, its funny how you think i would get upset over something on a forum like it has any real meaning.

With all due respect, this is a political forum for the discussion of politics. SERIOUS discussion of politics. Now, I will admit that cellardoor usually does attempt to prove people wrong all the time, but then again thats really what its all about here. If he disagrees with you, he will voice it and attempt to provide a valid argument. Since most people here try to make sense of everything they say, people who do not argue their point effectively will be ousted from a debate. It does not warrant you making crude and vague assumptions or getting mad at the person who proved you wrong. Please, when you see someone like cellardoor (or any one like him around) either dont post or be prepared to run a gauntlet of links, proofs and good arguments. Notwithstanding, this does not mean that cellardoor cannot be proven wrong. There is always something out there that can and will stump him. You just have to spend the time to find it if you want to argue. He puts the effort and sweat into it and barely tolerated non-sense, like most people here.

At 3/15/08 07:29 PM, LazyDrunk wrote:

:sports which actually need more than an inflated pig bladder and open ground to play on.

If soccer didnt mean anything, it would not be played by every single country in the world and have the largest fan base of any sport on Earth. Sorry man, but American football just isnt good enough to compete...

Thats all fine and good, but you dont want the result of over-emphasis on knowledge to be the under-emphasis of wisdom. America as a whole is known for its critical thinking skills, and is the polar opposite of Japan for example, which focuses primarily on knowledge and reduces the significance of critical thinking and wisdom. Success first comes from the fact that one has to make the decision to be successful, and pursue the knowledge as necessary.

This is a simple question of whether people really hate the US or not. There is no need to reenact another cliche religious flame war. Keep it civil. Anyways, the people who boast of America's wrongs and not of America's rights can kiss ass and jump off a bridge for all I care. Just ignore. Even better, if you are a moderator, you get the lock the thread! Oh man, I envy you....

At 3/15/08 02:50 PM, thedo12 wrote:

The irony amazes me.

lol, what cellardoor dosent realize is that in every arguement iv ever had with him, i spend 30 seconds at most trying to come up with the best bullshit i can come up with, and then when he reacts so seriously its funny as hell.

Yeah haha. cellardoor is tha man! :)

@ Imperator

Of course. The attacks were cunningly calculated. Brains mixed with fanaticism gets results, albeit terrible ones. The targets of 9/11 were specifically chosen to damage not only our sense of security, but to damage, as you mentioned, each section of our prosperity (economy, military, and political). It was also to cause as many casualties while sticking to the main goal. My guess would be that the main point of the attack was not to kill people....I think it was just to scare the hell out of America and make them fear the sudden unpredictability of their enemies. However, I do not think that it had the entirety of the intended effects, as you see the American people forgot and went on with their lives within a few weeks of the incident. It did not crush us.

cellardoor6 pretty much summed it all up, but just in more depth then I bother to go into. haha. Basically, America keeps a leash on the ambitious powers of the world and keeps them from bullying small countries. I dont see China or Russia, both members of the Security Council, lending military help where its needed without first complaining like little bitches. The US has always been the tip of the spear in fighting the world's common enemies. Many countries and special interest groups would pay to see the US disappear all of a sudden, because that would mean the only obstacle with enough balls to challenge their ambitions has gone poof!

At 3/15/08 01:21 AM, thedo12 wrote:

At 3/14/08 07:46 PM, MobilnaReakcija wrote: Yep. I got a feeling that this is the entry challenge of the 21st century for America. We entered the century downhill, and its only going to get worse as we go on if action is not taken. As you said as well, if America goes, the world goes with it.

i disagree with that statement ,
america is a part of the world yes and its a important part, but its not like if america dissaperd tomorrow we would be in chaos.

the same with any country really

You really disagree that the world would not be a scarred place without American presence? That is a really irrational position you are taking. One might blame the world's problems on American intervention, but if you take a look at history and today, the US has contributed enormous amounts of assistance to the world. Every countries stock market depends on the US doing well. As you may have noticed, Japan's market goes downhill if the American stock market loses footing. Thats only one example. A few reasons here why the world would be turmoil without America and Americans:

First of all, the garrison at the 38th Parallel would disappear, leaving North Korea to invade South Korea freely.

Next, all other peacekeeping forces of American origin would disappear, making it impossible to protect civilians in many world hotspots where rebels have taken root.

Furthermore, the only thing keeping bastard extremists at bay is the will of the US Military at most. They are the one's most devoted to protecting the world from our enemies. It might be slow progress, but it keeps terrorists on their feet and makes it hard for them to organize homefront attacks. What many countries do not realize is that America not only fights to protect itself, but to protect all of its allies everywhere in the world, with hardly a thanks or a pat on the back for encouragement.

Maybe the world would be able to recover if the US suddenly disappeared, but I can tell you that for the first few decades following the event, this world would see chaos unlike any in history.

This is not by any means to boast the greatness of America itself. I only point out the relevant things and what would most likely happen should this event take place.

At 3/14/08 11:16 PM, riemannSum wrote:

At 3/14/08 11:08 PM, MobilnaReakcija wrote:

At 3/14/08 10:41 PM, riemannSum wrote: Waste of a thread.

Write to your Senator if you would like a change, otherwise shut your hole!

That's ridiculous. One of these types of threads comes up at least once a day. Judging by your lack of insight and your horrible insults, I'm going to take a wild guess and place you at 13. Tell me if I'm right.

They say that the age at which a person can read and write in the US is at 15, so I could not possibly be 13. Guess again. However, if you feel that this thread is a waste of time, why dont you just ignore it instead of starting a shoving contest? Saves you and other people...LOTS of trouble.

At 3/14/08 10:41 PM, riemannSum wrote: Waste of a thread.

Write to your Senator if you would like a change, otherwise shut your hole!

Obama

Yep. I got a feeling that this is the entry challenge of the 21st century for America. We entered the century downhill, and its only going to get worse as we go on if action is not taken. As you said as well, if America goes, the world goes with it.

At 3/14/08 01:45 PM, thedo12 wrote: hopefully youre new president will be able to bring things back on their feet, i hate to see the u.s. going into such bad times.

I concur. Its been going downhill really since the last few presidents. The US might be a bitch in one sense, but its a giver in another. Hopefully things will improve.

At 3/13/08 03:40 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: The fact that they are using women are bombers makes me wonder how many suicide bombers there are left, i mean... it's not like they have an unlimited stock of morons.

You might be surprised. Its not hard to buy children from families in the entire Middle East. Osama offers $30,000 for a couple children and the father and mother are more than happy to oblige...they usually got 5-6 others. You might also be surprised what people are willing to go when they are backed into a corner.

At 2/6/08 11:29 PM, PantyWipe wrote:

At 2/3/08 04:04 AM, TheRoyalEnglishman wrote:

At 2/2/08 11:07 PM, PantyWipe wrote: I cant til Israel just says "Fuck it" and settles all the beef in the middle east with their army.

Well...Iraq already is occupied, so what can Israel do about that?

Besides, if they did 'settle all the beef in the Middle East', then all Muslims would protest and there'd be so many bombings in Israel that it would just collapse.

I disagree... a lot of countries, America included would join Israel if they went to war, IMO.

LOL. You really think that the US, with its current overstretched military, would suddenly join Israel in the New Crusade to "settle all the beef"? Omg...use something other than CNN for a change to at least comprehend with your puny brain that that is something which will not happen.

There is no legitimate answer to your question man. Like Rumsfeld said: "Its an unknown unknown"

George Dubya! The greatest president in history!

That why you got dollar stores.

At 3/12/08 12:44 AM, JackPhantasm wrote: What if I jack off and my semen evolve into a tiny civilization that worships me.

Exactly what happens in the process of making children...

At 3/11/08 04:57 PM, reviewer-general wrote:

At 3/11/08 04:55 PM, reviewer-general wrote: But, wait. Didn't you just say, Getting RID OFF the income taz and THEN adding a 25% sales tax..."?

* But, wait. Didn't you just say, "Getting RID OF the income tax and THEN adding a 25% sales tax..."?

OUCHY. TYPOS ARE TEH BAD THINGS.

;

Easy...

The argument against is a very good argument. Athletes HAVE been always used as proxies in intergovernmental battles between countries. If you take a look at history, you can see how athletes have trained for years for this one event then it suddenly doesnt take place. Wouldnt you be pissed off at that? In addition, there is no time to set up a new venue somewhere else. It just is not going to happen. It takes years (excluding athletes) to prepare the stadiums and clean up the country. Its not fair to the sports representatives of the nations of the world.

Bush has no brilliance whatsoever. We know NK has nukes, but we do not know Iran has any...and guess what? Bush wants to invade Iran with no proof rather than deal with NK somehow where we have proof they have missiles. Its almost paradoxical.

Huckabee wanted to get rid of income tax and impose a 25% sales tax. I say: Fuck you asswipe! Good thing he was knocked out of the race...he had some radical ideas that even extreme right wing people were nervous about.

Oh well. Whatever happened, happened. Maybe we can get some lessons on how to handle diplomatic negotiations next time. Whatever Kennedy did worked, not mentioning how dangerous it was. Khrushchev was just as edgy as Kennedy, and he was just as responsible for this fiasco that threatened the world as Kennedy. Im not really trying to argue with you, because its true what you say, but im saying that there were negotiations, no matter how short or ineffectual. Events like this have defined who we are as a human race, and has shown what we can do together when faced with mutual issues. The only reason the Union and America did not destroy each other was that both had that hidden humanity in them which thought beyond itself. It thought about the people. It thought about future generations. That crisis had a simple solution that was staring everyone in the eyes, but staring through an impenetrable fog of distrust.

Well, I just wanted to get the fact out there that Kennedy did not just blow off all negotiations. However, maybe he could have done more, yes. In retrospect, maybe Kennedy's intent was to push Khrushchev to the wall. If that was the intent, he picked a damned good method because it worked in making the Kremlin submit to Washington's demand. Regardless however, we should be thankful that it did not escalate beyond where it went.

Sack the penny! Aint no meaning to it anyway. In addition, money is lost every time a new batch of pennies is made.

At 3/11/08 12:30 AM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote:

At 3/10/08 11:36 PM, MobilnaReakcija wrote: Right, he didnt lead American into Nuke Annihilation, but in fact led us OUT of it. It would not have been as we see it today had it not been for his actions.

Actually, we where never in a state of Nuclear Annihilation. Two Japanese cities where at one point in a state of Nuclear Annihilation, but Kennedy never really helped out with that.

Was Kennedy president back then? NO! It was Truman. Check your facts.

You have to give him that credit. Usually, presidents are assassinated for a reason. It usually proves they were influential in some way.

Yeah. Like Mussolini.

You have an easy time comparing a President to a Dictator. Congratulations. Thank you.

At 3/11/08 12:15 AM, TheMason wrote:
Secondly, a president should not start a blockade (oops...quarantine) as a first option. JFK jumped straight to one of many military options first, before giving diplomacy a chance. He did not try to present the evidence to the Soviets and say "What the hell?" and give them a chance to respond. Instead he committed an act of war. JFK did this...and publicly. This pushed the Kremlin's back against the wall which made it exceptionally difficult for them to maneuver diplomatically.

Ill challenge you on that and give you this http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/archives/col c.html

As you can see, there was more than a week of intense debating between the US Administration and Russian diplomats, where the Russians were stubborn and kept denying there were missiles in Cuba, despite the proof give by U-2 spy planes and other recon aircraft. The reason why Kennedy initiated the blockade was because while the Russians were wasting time denying the presence of missiles, they were putting more and more of them in there. The blockade was the only options short of invasion. During the negotiations, the Soviet Union was an old dog that just could not learn any new tricks.