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At 11/15/12 01:31 PM, Camarohusky wrote: "Saddly many Christians believe the Bible was written word by word by God itself. Like men never had to interpret is [sic] will and write it down. But on the other hand, many Christians are desenchanted with the current state of the faith and are probably already looking into it."

You realise this as happened in the Christians history right?

Where did I say complete ban? No... I'm talking about Quran current form. There's maybe a time for reform.

Saddly many muslim believe the Quran was written word by word by Allah itself. Like men never had to interpret is will and write it down. But on the other hand, many muslim are desenchanted with the current state of the faith and are probably already looking into it.

Could it be that controled transition from the old Quran to a new one from the most respected figure of today muslim world be the solution?

At 11/14/12 04:38 AM, Dawnslayer wrote:

At 11/14/12 12:30 AM, Ministrel wrote: Have none of you ever read the Quran anyway? Messages of hate are allover the place:

Oh dear, unsourced copypasta. Not exactly the best way to go about accusatively asking people if they've read the Quran. I wanted to go over every quote point-by-point, but I ran out of room, so I'll just cover the biggest screw-ups and make a general statement on the rest

It's ok, yes this is not the translation that fit the real meaning. But anti-muslim are not the only kind to quote the Quran like this, extremist and some imam do quote like this too. They often have hidden agenda. Are the poorly educated follower they have even true muslim anyway, or some wanna be follower of Allah? If only the Quran could be correctly teached without ambiguity all the time, I wouldn't make topic like this one.

Have none of you ever read the Quran anyway? Messages of hate are allover the place:

QurâEUTMan 47:33 âEUoeBelievers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger. Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace.âEU
And any treaties with Infidels can be broken anytime for any reason, they have no meaning.
QurâEUTMan 9:123 âEUoemurder them and treat them harshlyâEU
QurâEUTMan 8:12 cp. 8:60 âEUoeInstill terror into the hearts of the unbelieversâEU; âEUoesmite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off themâEU
QurâEUTMan 2:191 âEUoe...kill the disbelievers wherever we find themâEU
QurâEUTMan 8:55 Surely the vilest of animals in AllahâEUTMs sight are those who disbelieve.
QurâEUTMan 22:19-22 âEUoefight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagemâEU âEUoefor them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rodsâEU
QurâEUTMan 48:13 Those who âEUoebelieve not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!âEU
QurâEUTMan 8:12 âEUoeYour Lord inspired the angels with the message: âEU~I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.âEU
QurâEUTMan 8:7 âEUoeAllah wished to confirm the truth by His words: âEU~Wipe the infidels (non-Muslims) out to the last.âEUTMâEU
QurâEUTMan 8:39 âEUoeSo, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.âEU
QurâEUTMan 8:59 âEUoeThe infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and AllahâEUTMs enemy.âEU
QurâEUTMan 4:101 âEUoeThe unbelievers (non-Muslims) are your inveterate foe.âEU
QurâEUTMan 8:60 âEUoePrepare against them (non-Muslims) whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah (non-Muslims), and others besides them not known to you. Whatever you spend in AllahâEUTMs Cause will be repaid in full, and no wrong will be done to you.âEU
QurâEUTMan 9.29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
QurâEUTMan 47:4 âEUoeStrike off the heads of the disbelieversâEU; and after making a âEUoewide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives.âEU
QurâEUTMan 5:33: âEUoeThe punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and perpetrate mischief [reject Islam or oppose its goals] in the land, is to murder them, to hang them, to mutilate them, or banish them. Such is their disgrace. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.âEU
QurâEUTMan 9:38 âEUoeBelievers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to march forth in the Cause of Allah (i.e., Jihad) you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you march, He will afflict and punish you with a painful torture, and put others in your place. But you cannot harm Him in the least.âEU
QurâEUTMan 4:89 âEUoeThey wish that you would reject Faith, as they have, and thus be on the same footing: Do not be friends with them until they leave their homes in AllahâEUTMs Cause. But if they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them.âEU
QurâEUTMan 9:3 âEUoeAllah is not bound by any contract or treaty with non-Muslims, nor is His Apostle.âEU

I'll stop here or else I will need to post a very large portion of the book. Sure there is part saying they shouldn't kill without a just cause. But a just cause can be spreading the faith for them.

At 11/13/12 11:56 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: So according to the premise of your semantics...

:facepalm:

At 11/13/12 11:30 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Cite quantified legit information before popping off rhetorical propaganda at the mouth please.

You could do some search yourself you know. But here one study if you really need one: https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1u3sMjANgt77g6kaafy7 gBKGFZ-peMaPj-WCRORnMzGo

What he forgot to mention is that a good portion of the Norwegians rapist are Muslim born in Norway.

At 11/13/12 11:11 PM, Entice wrote:

At 11/13/12 11:06 PM, Ministrel wrote: In country where they represent less than 5% of the population they represent the major part of rape agressor

Please give me a statistic that says that Muslims are significant contributors to rape in the United States.

No serious research where done in the Usa about this yet. Only few research statistic from research in Europe can be trusted.

At 11/13/12 09:20 PM, Camarohusky wrote: No the Qur'an shouldn't be banned. It's a beautiful work of poetry as are all the religious texts throughout history. Just because sme crazy assholes choose to rape the words into a call for violence HARDLY means the text is evil or hateful.

In country where they represent less than 5% of the population they represent the major part of rape agressor and justify with what the Quran say. So no, they aren't "some crazy asshole", they are "organized crazy asshole". The Quran is what give them this "hive-mind".

Consider the elements that define hate speech:
Drawing a distinction between oneâEUTMs own identity group and those outside it
Moral comparison based on this distinction
Devaluation or dehumanization of other groups and the personal superiority of one's own
The advocating of different standards of treatment based on identity group membership
A call to violence against members of other groups

The Quran definetly have everything of a hate speech, yet it is not banned. Worst, people pointing out blatant racism from muslim can be arrested for hate speech and racism. There is something very wrong going on.

Shouldn't Quran be banned because the book is hatefull?