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At 1 minute ago, MrFlopz wrote:

At 49 minutes ago, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: the best solution would just bomb the living hell out of the Middle East and all of Northern Africa. And especially Mecca. its a shitty ass religion that has brought nothing but conflict for the last 1400 years.

Problem Solved!

You're right. Let's systematically kill hundreds of millions of people. That will solve everything.

Rednecks.......

lets just blow up the earth. "No man, no problem"-Stalin I think he was onto something

At 6 minutes ago, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

At 9 minutes ago, mhb18 wrote: Muslims discovered algebra....

wrong babylonians then muzzys took over babylon.

set the foundations for chemistry

Egyptians 4000 years ago NICE TRY!

and the theory of evolution

BLASPHEMY THERE IS ONLY ALLAH!

they created the scientific method

once again Egyptians! AWESOME!

..for the most part they didnt force people to convert....they just taxed them for a profit....it was the christians who forced people to convert....

right the Battles of Syria, Persia of course they were peaceful!

Thanks for playing TRY AGAIN!

you should take a history course because all those things are true....take algebra for example it was named after the muslim who discovered it....his name was Al-jebra....

Muslims discovered algebra.... set the foundations for chemistry and the theory of evolution....they created the scientific method...for the most part they didnt force people to convert....they just taxed them for a profit....it was the christians who forced people to convert....

At 12 hours ago, jonathanfis wrote: Why is most muslims angry that you burn their qu'ran when they burn our bibles once or twice a day. Why can they portrait the christian prophet when we can't portrait their? They hit their women will we christians respect our women.

The fuck.

Also Relevant video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRxwa008Nxg&sns=fb

Muslims do not go around burning bibles....
Muslims also do not portrait any christian prophet because they are also muslim prophets and just like Muhammad its against their religion to portray him.....
saying that muslims beat their wives is far to broad of a generalization....some probably do beat their wives as do some christians, some jews, some atheists, etc....

A nuclear Iran would not use nuclear weapons or give them away. Thats just an absurd theory. Iran wants to survive not be destroyed. Nuclear weapons however would give Iran extra defenses because no one will invade a nuclear super power and it would make Iran a regional hegemon.

The main two people who fear a nuclear Iran are Israel and Saudi Arabia. Right now Israel is the only nuclear power in the Middle East and it wants to keep it that way because it will maintain their hegemony. Historically Israel usually used military force to get what it wanted but a nuclear Iran would make the trigger friendly Israeli's have to rethink their strategy.

Saudi Arabia doesn't want a nuclear Iran because Saudi Arabia has been oppressing the people of Bahrain. Most of the people in Bahrain are Shia Muslims while the monarchy of Bahrain is Sunni Muslim. Furthermore the people Bahrain almost overthrew the monarchy during the Arab Spring but then the Saudi's sent their tanks in and they killed them all. Also Iran considers Bahrain as a part of Iran that was cut away and that they want returned. So the Saudi's fear that Iran might try and take back Bahrain.

Lets not forget that Gingrich also said Hispanics don't have children because they love them. They just want anchor babies so that they can stay in the US. He also said Spanish was the language of the ghettos while english was the language of prosperity.

Let's face it, Israel has a history of doing stuff like this all the time, but because most of the powers that be in the Western world has got their back for so long, chances are they will do diddly against them violating due process to a known terrorist, fair or not.

He is being accused of being a a terrorist spokesman. That isnt the same thing as being a terrorist. One is a terrorist while the other may be a terrorist. There is the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

At 7 minutes ago, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: it says on the net he has been on one of the longest hunger strikes recorded if thats the case why hasn't this scum die yet?

Hes on the longest recorded Palestinian hunger strike. I can also tell from your derogatory terminology that your a bigot who doesn't care about the abuse of human rights.

Adnan is accused of being the spokesman of the Palestinian militant group Islamic Jihad, an Iranian-backed organization responsible for killings scores of people in Israel in suicide bombings and rocket attacks. His detention has reached its 63rd day and yet Israel refuses to charge him or release him.

I think he should either be set free or charged with something so that he could have a trial. 63 days is far to long to hold someone who has only been accused of doing or saying something. Its just ridiculous that it has gotten this far.

much of the hostilities that people in the middle east have towards the United States is because of its unconditional support for Israel which in affect means fuck the Palestinians. Along with that the US has supported tyranny in the Middle East for about 30 years. Perhaps if the US wasn't so pro-Israel the region wouldn't be so Anti America.

Along with the whole Jews are rich so they can lobby for things they want. They also have a high voter turn out and live in key electoral states.

"Jews have devoted themselves to politics with almost religious fervor," writes Mitchell Bard, who adds that Jews have the highest percentage voter turnout of any ethnic group. While 2-2.5% of the United States population is Jewish, 94% live in 13 key electoral college states, which combined have enough electors to elect the president.

Crimes are not hereditary. When nations cease to exist, or assimilate into other nations, they are gone.

Mongolia caused China quite a bit of hardship. I'm sure China would be much more powerful today if they didn't have to deal with a constant threat from the north. Let's let China rule Mongolia to compensate them. If we can rewrite our boarders to help the Israelis, we should be able to revise history to compensate every ethnic group that has lost something in history.

There is no logic to your argument. 1. you say modern Jews have a right to Historic Palestine because they descend from the Israelite's. 2. While at the same time saying crimes cannot be hereditary. The truth is that they do not have a right to that land just because they are Jewish and that crimes are not hereditary. The modern day Jewish people are a fusion of many different groups of people. Does that mean we have to also give them chunks of other countries? If we were to follow your logic we would have to destroy just about every country in the world so that their "rightful" owners could take over.

At 6 minutes ago, satanbrain wrote:

At 12 minutes ago, mhb18 wrote: 1. the seventh century was a long time ago and that alone should give them legitimacy to the land. 2. Palestinians are not pure blooded Arabs. Their ancestors include the Arab conquers from the 7th century and the native people who lived there and converted to Islam. Thus their legitimacy goes back farther than the seventh century which alone should be enough.

"Natives" who were exiled from their lands by other empires. Such as babylon and the roman empire.

The settlements are considered illegal by everyone except Israel. More importantly they are considered illegal by the UN and the International Court of Justice which made a ruling on the matter.

Which do not own the land.

The conflict exists because the Palestinians are the indigenous people

Not of israel. They are not the descendants of israelites, who were the sole owners after the canaanites.

who were ethnically cleansed by the Israeli's.

Have you any proof of it?

Israel continues to built on Palestinian land (and Syrian land aka the Golan Heights)

Because they are Israeli. Residing in another's land for some time doesn't make you it's owner.

and continues to deny the Palestinians the right of return which they have a legal right to under international law while at the same time allowing any Jewish person to settle in Israel and in the West Bank.

The palestinians who fled israel did it on their own. An evidence to support this would be the exitence of israeli arabs, they were not exiled. People of the jewish nation have a right to reside in israel, their homeland, if they wish.

I dont know what type of revisionist history you have been reading that says the Palestinians just willfully left their land. If you look at some of the works done by Israeli historians it even says the Palestinians were expelled. Just look at anything by Benny Morris, Avi Shlaim, or any thing by the new historians. Its non sense to say that since jews have some connection to the ancient Israelite that they have a right to that land. That means no modern nation as a right to exist. But any reasonable person would agree that living only in an area for over 1,000 years would make you the native population. The native population isnt a group of people who can trace their ancestry back to some far off land but the people who currently live there.

Just how imperialist is it to repatriate and establish a country in your land? Muslim arabs resided in Israel not before the 7th century.

1. the seventh century was a long time ago and that alone should give them legitimacy to the land. 2. Palestinians are not pure blooded Arabs. Their ancestors include the Arab conquers from the 7th century and the native people who lived there and converted to Islam. Thus their legitimacy goes back farther than the seventh century which alone should be enough.

If Israel stops building illegal settlements on the West Bank

Illegal according to who?

The settlements are considered illegal by everyone except Israel. More importantly they are considered illegal by the UN and the International Court of Justice which made a ruling on the matter.

The conflict exists because the Palestinians are the indigenous people who were ethnically cleansed by the Israeli's. Israel continues to built on Palestinian land (and Syrian land aka the Golan Heights) and continues to deny the Palestinians the right of return which they have a legal right to under international law while at the same time allowing any Jewish person to settle in Israel and in the West Bank.

The dumbest argument that i have ever heard was in Joan Peter's book From Time Immemorial. In that book she argues that Palestinians are not the indigenous of Palestine. Peter's basically says that Palestine was just empty land that the Jewish people began to migrate to in the 1900s. She goes onto say that once the Jewish people began cultivating the land Arabs from the neighboring countries began to move in. She then argues that these are the real ancestors of the Palestinians and that they have no right to historic Palestine because they are not native to the land. Along with that her book was hailed as being one of the best books on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict in the USA. However, once her book was released in Europe it was picked apart by European scholars who said she used biased sources, ignored Arab sources, and ignored Israeli sources that didnt fit her view.