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At 1/30/08 11:06 AM, FATKERNELGO wrote:

Excuse me? Did you forget about the Vietnam War while you were typing that one? Money and technology have little meaning in war - the Viet Cong had neither, but beat the US, and the Nazis had better weapons, technology and more money going into Russia, but got forced out and all the way back to the front door of Hitler's bunker when that one didn't pay off.

Well hang on there cowboy. You see now, your winners there, the vietcong. They had 800,000 KIA, and 300,000 MIA. While the US "only" had 58,209 KIA and 1,948 MIA. While they didnt see the war through, they did stop the spread of communism to countries like Cambodia, Thailand, Indonesia etc. And c'mon, where is the Vietcong now? gone.

And about the germans in russia. Russia is a really big place, with a shit load of people. Germany had a significant lower death toll. Tactically the Germans had won some resounding victories and occupied some of the most important economic areas of the country. They where unable to mount more attacks on the soviet-german front. They underestimated the russians. While they invaded in the summer, as soon as winter came the germans where not prepared, and the harsh weather made getting supplies to the battle hard. While the germans didnt take all of russia, it wasnt because they didnt have the tech, its because they lacked manpower, and got cocky.

The stats you posted were the country's whole populations there, not military losses. It is a typing error. Next, the Germans had great weapons, but as in the case of the king tiger tank, they only had 600 of them which they had to spread across a whole continent. The Russians won the war by sheer manpower and nature on their side. Next, the Americans don't have the same situation because many years of relative peace, coupled with fabulous wealth, have allowed the U.S. Army and Marines to stockpile and purchase these necessary weapons like the Abrams tank. The U.S. Navy is the largest and most powerful by ships, guns (which is not saying much since guns are now obsolete), missiles, submarines, and counterattack measures. The U.S. Air Force is the world's largest, plus it has capabilities unmatched by anyone in terms of stealth, technology, bombers, fighters, and their special fuel which is extremely powerful and lets planes go around the world once without having to refuel. So, the U.S. Military wins, and the example of Germany is erroneous.

Finally, the U.S. did not lose to the Vietcong. They fought the Vietnamese to a stalemate, then they declared peace. The U.S. was ultimately on the losing side, but that was due to Congress' refusal to send aid to the South Vietnamese when the North made their final invasion. U.S. technology was, however, of no use in this fight.