At 10/5/08 10:13 PM, acerose wrote:
I don't think that extremists in any religion are an accurate gauge of anyone. I know a ton of muslims and none of them think that people should be killed for not beieving in Islam. Anyone who would hypocrisize (improvised word :]) their teachings to "remove" or "purify" "threats" or "infidels" shouldn't be considered a person of that religion.
Ah, I'm glad you brought this up. You know the Al Qaeda and the Abu Sayyaf? They kill for and in the name of Allah. They do horrible things for their god, because it's what they think is meant to be done. Just like long ago when the Spanish was all powerful, they forced they're religion on everyone and killed anyone who opposed it. Puritans-hung everyone that even sneezed. 'WWWIITTTCCCHH!!!' *snicker* It entertains me reading about certain stupidities of humans. People totally disregard some of the most important things in religion 'Though shall not kill' 'Love thy neighbor as yourself' etc. Who knows though. Perhaps the gods meant for us to kill each other in the name of themselves. =/
I agree on your point "Science can't disprove faith, and faith can't disprove science", for the most part. Hoever, I do disagree with it to an extent. There is science is religions (or the ones I have attempted to study at least [Christianity and Catholicism]), just as there is faith in Atheism. The science in faith, you should look at my other post, since I don't want to write it again, and the faith in science is that they accept the fact that the universe created itself completely on faith the way we (religious people) accept that god is infinite.
Meh, there is 'faith in science' and 'faith in atheism' but they don't see it as faith. They see it as they're right and intellectually superior. It think saying that there's fact in science is a more accurate wording.
Agnosticism as far as I can tell is based on the complete LACK of faith. If nothing else it is more scientific than Atheism. The refuse to take anything on faith alone, and some of the greatest minds ever have been Agnostic.
Complete lack of faith? How do you figure? I'd think that they're on the borderline between having faith and having none whereas atheists have none.
The main problem I see with trying to reason out God is this. Reason does not apply to the controller. It is the same as a lucid dream. If God (to quote PSY_JACK) "want(s) a dog, with the head of the President, dancing with a scuba diver. . . (he) makes it." (the book was talking about a lucid dreamer, not God)
So you're saying we're in control of our own world basically. Exactly. We don't see God helping us really. He doesn't help all those people starving in Africa. He doesn't stop the evil in humans from making us stupid. He doesn't do anything we can see if he does do anything at all. We pray, and hope he will answer our prayers. Sure, most of the time he 'answers'. Coincidence of not, we'll never know until we die.
Personally, I think its better not to get preachy and annoying. I just let people live their lives, and tell them what they want to know if they ask. Works for me, and people don't hate me (as far as religion goes. . .).
Exactly. Religion and beliefs shouldn't be expressed because there are too many intolerant people out there. Best thing to do is just believe stongly in what you believe in and respect others beliefs.
A point of question for you preachy Atheists and Agnostics out there, people tend to try to live a good life when they follow a religion, so why is it a problem? I can understand someone getting preachy about religion out of sympathy for the others well being in the long run, but being preachy about NOT believing? Why is it a problem if somone believes in God?
Human stupidity.
I say, we put this whole thing behind us, because people get angry about religion frequently, and anger is no fun.
Meh, impossible. Anger will live on forever and ever.