648 Forum Posts by "MarkyX"
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Yes I am the same guy.
http://video.google...5140276&hl=en-CA
This is a counter-video of the famous "Loose Change 2nd Edition". Using their own video and words, "Screw Loose Change" debunks the theories and statements made in Loose Change 2nd Edition.
This new edition features urls to sources and longer rebuttals.
The buildings fell at Free-fall speed. Free-fall, no resistance. Nothing. That is a physical imposibility given the explanation of the fire. I've read the commision report, and even though there are scattered errors in it (i.e. saying no black-boxes were recovered from the planes were there clearly were) I found it accurate enough.
Debris fell faster then the towers, therefore no free fall.
the bin laden confession tape had him wearing a gold ring which is forbidden in the islam religion
You need appraisers to look at a ring in order to tell if it's real gold or not. Yet you tell me by looking at a grainy video with poor directional lighting that it's real. Real good job there kid.
he was writing with his right hand when he is left handed
Islamic culture. Left hand unclean, right hand for social gestures, including writing.
of course him personaly wouldn't just do this their is no real profit for him like that. He was put into office by oil companies to commit this heinous crime to make a prempt to war with the middle east for his precious oil line.
http://www.eia.doe.g../current/import.html
Canada is your biggest supplier of oil, numbnuts.
That's it for now. It was fun owning you all.
about 10 minutes before the crash, the data of 400 hard drives within the twin towers were transfeered to computers in germany at very large quantities at a time.
No source.
Gold (worth over $100 billion) that had been under the twin towers for decades and a couple of hours before the attack there were trucks underground taking out the gold, the place was heavily guarded with armed cops when usually that area was empty.
100 billion eh? All in one truck?
http://www.pbs.org/a..ing_property_01.html
6 weeks before the event, the man who owned the twin towers signed an insurance policy promising him billions in cash if the towers were ever destroyed.
1995, 1993. Insurance against terrorism was the norm.
Planes have special recording boxes with a steel case so tough that any explosions keep it intact and one has never been destroyed, ever
None of them were crushed with billions of pounds worth of skyscraper debris crashing down on them before either. You should be a farmer, since you enjoy cherry picking so much.
How can 3 absolutely indestructable boxes like this be destroyed for the time in history and a passport not be damaged at all.
Ask about the chairs or pieces of paper as well.
http://www.911myths...sport_recovered.html
The phone calls recorded couldn't have been made because the transmission from calling on a cell phone on the plane is so bad as it's not on ground.
They used air phones you idiot.
When a hostess said she's being attacked there was no screaming in the background.
It's called remaining calm.
The steel engineers said that the stell put in the twin towers has a melting point of 3000 degrees and takes a few hours to melt, but fire from a jet fuel only reaches as
high as 2000 degrees so how could have the steel melted from the fire?
Because it didn't. It only had to warp and lose their structual strength. You are attacking a strawman.
one plane from a while ago had a security raid which took 2 1/2 hours with 60 people and a suspected planeof a terrorist that was security checked only took 12 minutes with 200 people, it was obviously a show.
I hope you don't have kids.
1. wtc 7's collapse is not at all mentioned in the 911 commission report.
WTC7 was collateral damage.
2. 20 members of bin laden's family living in the US was allowed safe passage back to saudi arabia upon Bush's orders, even when all other planes were grounded
This is a well known lie and to suggest that all Bin Ladens are with Osama is nothing but racism. All ARABS must be terrorists, right?
3. the planes beacons were lost on all 4 planes ranging in times of 20-45 minutes.
And? All you have to do is turn the knob to switch off the signal.
4. the pilot who "supposedly" flew flight 77 was a retired navy vet who worked as a special advisor for the pentagon up until his "death."
Right..no source.
5. half of the 10 911 commission members have business ties to either American Airlines, United Airlines, Boeing, or Lockheed Martin...every member of the commission (including the staff) has some sort of conflict of interest.
What the hell? Are you saying that the plane companies should be not involved?!
6. the latest tapes prove norad(North American Aerospace Defense Command) was ordered to stand down on 911.
You didn't listen to the tapes at all. Nothing was stood down, because they scrambled jets. The tapes don't talk about drones, missiles, or anything like that. If anything, they go against your theories. They were merely incompetent.
7. flight 77's passenger manifest didnt list any of the alleged hijackers.
Victim list.
8. bush admitted in 2 seperated interviews that he saw the 1st plane hit the north tower live and then the secret service told him about the 2nd plane hitting the south tower--no one saw the 1st plane hit live, it wasnt shown on TV until much later in the night, and on some news channels, the next day.
Red herring.
9. the fbi has admitted that they have no proof of the hijackers identities because their identities may have been stolen.
2001
10. no member of Al Qaeda is wanted for 911 by the FBI, in fact, no one is.
Confessions cannot be used against someone in a trial.
11.Larry Silverstein, owner of the buildings, purchased an insurance policy 3 weeks before 9/11 specifically covering "terrorist attacks". He is now a billionaire.
Hardly. He paid 120 million a year rent to rebuild the WTC7, which opened up a few months ago.
But structural steel, even with its strength halved (at 650°C), still can support two to three times the stress imposed to it (which is why is used in the construction of such huge buildings).
Uh you might forgot the billions of pounds of the skyscrapper going downwards because of gravity.
But out of no where... people hear explosions, and random plumes of smoke can be seen bursting out of the building moving upwards (exactly as seen in any controlled demolition of a building). Just watch a video of the demolition and watch closely, you can see them yourself.
Those "squibs" are air. If you know a real demolition, the sound makes very loud noises that can be heard miles away. If this was truly a controlled demolition, everyone would've heard it both in and outside the building.
How is it possible for everything in the building to be completely demolished into dust without the use of cutter charges?
No explosives in the world destroy concrete. Show me a controlled demolition that has the exact same aftermath of the the two towers.
why there was molten steel on the site of ground zero
No proof that it's steel. If you are suggesting thermite, thermite burns holes and drys up quickly. The fact that molten metal is even found WEEKS after destroys the possibilities of thermite, because thermite drys quickly.
. Steven Jones, BYU physicist tested ground zero, and it came positive for thermite. Not just thermite though, the
military used compound thermAte, (which explains all of the sulfer found on ground zero by researchers.)
Jones was not peer reviewed by material or structual engineers. SULFUR COMES FROM DRYWALL.
Oh yea.. and wtc7 fell that day even though no plane hit it. It was demolished by it's owner, Larry Silverstein.
No plane hit, but a part of the towers did, leaving a 20-story hole in the SW corner of the building. The firefighters saw it wobbling and setup a collapse zone.
as for the molten steel the WTC's were supposedly made of;
barely any investigation was taken into the wtc rubble, it was all wisked about to demolition before any real investigation could be done. It's not that hard to forge pictures and blueprints etc. If you throw away whats left of the wreckage then just slip in some false documents- bam, you got yourself "proof" that something was that it wasnt.
WRONG.
http://xbehome.com/s..Blanchard_8-8-06.pdf
This is a letter written by a demolition firm who was actually at ground zero.
And the significance of this? It only tells you that there is no truth in the identity of the hijackers and linking them to Al Queada that justified the invasion of afganistan.
I can't believe you are using 2001 evidence that the Hijackers are alive.
http://www.911myths...tml/still_alive.html
How about the blast points on the towers? How about the engineers of the towers saying they engineered them to take MULTIPLE commercial aircrafts and still stand. How about fire fighters and janitors saying they heard explosions ? It was clearly a controled demolition that takes days to set up.
Actually setting up a demolition takes weeks. The Landmark Tower, 30 storys, took 3 months.
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/14122036.htm
Your multiple aircraft story is also BS, because the lead structual engineer of the WTC says the buildings were meant to withstand a 707 going at approuch speeds. However, the kinetic energy on that day was 7 times more then the original designs.
http://tinyurl.com/gb746
"The buildings survived the impact of the Boeing 767 aircraft, an impact very much greater than had been contemplated in our design (a slow-flying Boeing 707 lost in the fog and seeking a landing field). Therefore, the robustness of the towers was exemplary. At the same time, the fires raging in the inner reaches of the buildings undermined their strength. In time, the unimaginable happened . . . wounded by the impact of the aircraft and bleeding from the fires, both of the towers of the World Trade Center collapsed."
And how about 7 of the supposed hijackers being found alive in the middle east and giving BBC interviews?
2001 idiot. Welcome to 5 years later.
Pakistani ISI Chief Gen. Ahmad orders an aide to wire transfer $100,000 to Mohammed Atta who was, according to the FBI, the lead terrorist in the suicide hijackings
Like the Dubai myth, this was not sourced. However, if you want a more deeper description...
http://mckinneysucks..rchive.html#78639317
While Marvin Bush was head of security on the World Trade center on 9/11 (his last day coincidentaly)
Wrong, he left in June 2000.
Bush Senior was at the Ritz Carlton with the head of the Bin Laden family, who was flown out to Saudi Arabia 3 days after the attack with another 160 members of the Bin Laden family.
Not all Bin Ladens are terrorists. Some live in the States..
Now if you think "Oh the governent would never do something like this." then read operation northwoods (link below- you need acrobat reader to view it )
Sorry but Operation Northwoods was about drone planes being blown out of the sky and news stories about hijackings. No one was to die.
Especialy considering the fact that Bin Laden was trained by the CIA in the early 70's and he was code named Tim Osman.
Another lie. The only thing the CIA did was fund and gave weapons to Osama when he formed with Palestine militant Abdullah Yusuf Azzam. At the time, they were called Maktab al-Khadamat (Office of Services, MAK).
This is from the man's mouth, back in 2002.
http://archives.cnn...ranscript/index.html
We have one religion, one God, one book, one prophet, one nation. Our book teaches us to be brothers of a faith. All the Muslims are brothers. The name "al Qaeda" was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al Qaeda [meaning "the base" in English]. And the name stayed. We speak about the conscience of the nation; we are the sons of the nation. We brothers in Islam from the Middle East, Philippines, Malaysia, India, Pakistan and as far as Mauritania.
there were several skyscrapers more lowly engineered and older than the twin towers, which had from 4 to 10 floors burning from 9 to 24 hours, but they did not collapse. The twin towers were burning for approximately 54 minutes and both buildings collapsed.
You are forgetting the fact of two huge 255,000 pound missiles giong 500 MPH into the building with 10k gallons of fuel. Ninjas to Lemons here.
proffesional pilots and aircrafters say that a commercial airliner would not be accurate enough or fast enough to crash into the towers like that.
Wrong.
http://www.911myths.com/Another_Expert.pdf
- A document written by a pilot.
http://www.salon.com..lot186/index_np.html
- And another one.
People who had a good look at the plane said it was black with no windows, the only conclusion would have been a us military plane.
Wrong again.
http://littlegreenfo..ight77-Witnesses.pdf
flight 77, who's aircraft was made by rolls royce, took the turbo engines from the pentagon crash and say it's no engine that rolls royce engineer has made or seen, ever.
Wrong.
http://www.aerospace..nspiracy/q0265.shtml
all footage from the security cameras during the attack of the pentagon were convescated by the fbi and not shown to the public.
I am glad you don't run investigations. You wouldn't even collect evidence.
a man wrote of his experience of the 9/11 stated victims of the attack were visited by fbi and were told to "take the money and shut up"
Jim Marrs, right? Strange that no one else talks about this. The person Jim Marrs talks about is actually disguisted by Loose Change and Jim Marrs.
security seceratery condelleza rice warned a few officials not to take any flights on that date, before the attack
Not sourced. It was airport security. Food for thought though; if they knew what planes were going to be hijacked, couldn't they have just chosen other planes that weren't going to be hijacked? Damn logic strikes again.
1. Because of a "strange coincidence" the whole NSA had scheduled drills precisely at 9 a.m. on 9/11. They were practicing thei counteractions in case a plane crushed in one of the NSA buildings in Washingtone.
Wrong. No such exercise existed. The only exercise that dealt with hijackings was one involving cubans escaping to a small island, which was supposed to be an hour after the hijackings (hence the confusion, they thought it started earlier). The exercises that were being run involved Russian bombers.
2. On 9/11 the whole US territory was lest to be defended by only 7 airbases.
14 jets, 7 bases. That's how NORAD was run.
3. In the period september 2000 - june 2001 the american air defence systems intercepted and escorted to the nearest airports 67 planes, which were suspected to be flying illegaly ("air piracy"). The system is highly effective and fighters are being launched at the slightest suspicion of air piracy. Nothing like that happened on 9/11
Uh huh, why don't you talk about where these scrambles were? It wasn't in the US border, but outside, where NORAD was meant to do.
4. At 8.20 the NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command) suspects that Flight 11 was hijacked. At 8.40 p.m. NORAD is informed about the hijacking. None of the defence instistutions reacts properly to the news and everyone remains passive. 6 minutes later the plane crashes into the WTC.
It takes around 5 minutes to get the scramble order and around 10 minutes to be airborne. Let's not forgot the distance also includes more time. To suggest that a plane can be launched in a situation that it was not meant for within a matter of 2 or 3 minutes is showing how ignorant you are.
5. Bush said that at 8.46 a.m. (when the tragedy happened) he was waiting in front of a classroom and saw the collision on the near TV. The problem is that the crash was shown on the television AFTER the tragedy happened - nobody knew a plane was going to hit the buildings and there were no reporters nor TV cameras at the scene.
And....? This doesn't prove anything. Red herring.
6. Finally, 32 minutes after it all began, fron the airbase in Otis the first fighters (F-15) are being launched. At a speed of 1875 miles per hour, the fighters should have travelled 270 miles in 9 minutes. Nevertheless, they couldn't reach the second plane which was only 100 miles from there.
I thought NORAD stood down. Also, planes don't stay still moron. You have to remember that the hijacked planes were going 500 MPH. You try doing some math here.
7. At 8.56 a.m. FAMA (the Federal Air Marshal Association) contacts with the Pentagon, but noone actually contacts NORAD till 9.24, in brake of the rules. A MD speaker said that they couldn't possibly know about Flight 77 (which crashed in the Pentagon). This is a lie, as since the first reports of air piracy at 8.20, officials in the Pentagon are allarmed and demand quick reactions from NORAD. Still nothing happens.
Again no proof of this and you aren't telling me where they were "intercepted"
8. At 9.38 a.m. Flight 77 collides with the Pentagon - 42 after contact with it was lost and a whole hour after NORAD was informed of the wirst hijacking. This whole time the USA defence systems are like petrified.
They were launched and a C-130 was following the Flight 77.
To relieve yourself of this bullshit, visit these sites
http://www.debunking911.com
http://www.911myths.com
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr
But when a celebrity from Hollywood goes to Rehab, they come out as heroes.
http://video.google...-3657479898431151510
Whether or not you are against the war on Iraq, you should look at this video.
I've talked to the maker of the video so I can hopefully send this out to more places and maybe help him out a bit. This is merely the first version and probably not the final, but it should help those ignorant of the extermist muslim culture.
This is not a type of documentary like Loose Change or Michael Moore. There is hardly any commentary (if any) from the author itself. There is a lot of talking in arabic, but it should give the general idea on how these people work.
Knowledge is power.
At 6/26/06 11:19 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote:At 6/26/06 09:46 PM, FightingForFreedom wrote: I think Buffet is a great guy for doing this but I don't think that $37 billion is really alot of money, in comparison to what governments give to these kind of charities.Correction: He did a nice thing. But it's not a lot in comparison to what the US SHOULD AND COULD DO.
Why not let the private charities do their own thing? The government isn't a charity organization and shouldn't be throwing taxpayer's money allowed.
If people wanted to donate to charity, they don't need the government to do it for them.
So are you saying that he deserved death?
Wow, thank you for hating my country a little bit more.
At 6/26/06 06:25 AM, Laduguer_Fisto wrote:At 6/25/06 12:54 PM, MarkyX wrote: BS, recently a friend's grandfather die of cancerI don't like the idea of a two tier system for one main reason.
WAITING for Chemo Treatment.
I prefer a two-tier system where Canadians have a choice.
As for the army, it's not the size of the army that makes a country peaceful; it's the foreign policy. I hate it when people mix the two up.
It screws up everyone who can't afford to pay for it.
Doctors flock to the private industry and who can blame them, it pays more, with less doctors and equipment it doesn't speed things up, those that can't afford it just wait much longer.
Did you ignore what I said? My friend's grandfather died before without treated because of the bullshit known as "the waiting list"
If he had the OPTION to pay for a doctor, he would still be living today.
He loses my respect though for not being able, or at least being too timid to go through with any of his plans. He has not banned gay marriage, he has not completely abolished the thought of marijuana becoming legal in Canada and he has yet to make any great impact
Two words: Minority Government
At 6/25/06 01:01 PM, AustinR wrote: That's ok the USA still protects Canada so you don't have to worry, so keep makeing that beer of yours and we'll worry about the Military stuff
I think you guys should be worried about protecting your domestic problems before hitting ours. We actually caught our terrorists without passing some sort of patriot act.
At 6/25/06 10:52 AM, morefngdbs wrote:At 6/25/06 10:25 AM, bcdemon wrote:;At 6/25/06 10:03 AM, Shifty55 wrote: you guys get free healthcareNO WE DO NOT GET FREE HEALTHCARE
Some pay for thier healthcare through higher provincial taxes, others pay straight out of pocket for it. I pay $1356 a year (3 people) for healthcare in British Columbia. Please oh please point me to this "free healthcare" you speak of.
How right you are, but a national Health care policy, like we have is better than nothing.
And in an Emergency situation, if you get to a Hospital, you will get help. No questions asked if the emergency is LIFE THREATENING. THey will save your life (if they can) & deal with the paer work later.
THat is truely better than no National system at all
BS, recently a friend's grandfather die of cancer
WAITING for Chemo Treatment.
I prefer a two-tier system where Canadians have a choice.
As for the army, it's not the size of the army that makes a country peaceful; it's the foreign policy. I hate it when people mix the two up.
http://www.eia.doe.g../current/import.html
Wow...Iraq is all the way down there.
At 6/23/06 11:52 PM, -Michael- wrote:At 6/23/06 11:45 PM, MarkyX wrote: To arrest him.Your headline didn't make sense.
But yes, Harper defintely has balls.
My original headline was "Harper calls for Iranian Official's arrest"
But there was a character limit.
To arrest him.
http://www.theglobea..NStory/National/home
Canada's diplomatic battle with Iran reached a new intensity Friday as the federal government said it is seeking the arrest of a senior Iranian official implicated in the death of a Canadian.
The government wants charges brought against Iran's hardline chief prosecutor, who has been tied to the arrest of Zahra Kazemi, a Canadian photojournalist tortured and killed in Tehran in 2003.
Nice to see a prime minister with balls.
At 6/22/06 06:29 AM, Kenzu wrote: He should be idolised because he continued the struggle for socialism even though he became a minister in Cuba.
He gave up his power in the Cuban government to help people in Chile and Angola.
He is a hero
A hero murdering innocent peasents.
The problem with Conspiracy Theories is they tend to manipulate evidence, quote mining, and use non-experts to back up their claims.
The perfect example is Operation Northwoods. Yes, the document does exist over a fake terror plot that would result in no deaths, however...what connection does that have with 9/11? Nothing.
At 6/7/06 07:21 AM, Kenzu wrote:At 6/5/06 03:03 PM, ReiperX wrote: How is democracy dead? He was fairly elected by the people.Castro has also been fairly elected.
Now Cuba, thats not a democracy.
Anyways how does President Bush rig an election in another country?
ROFLCOPTER
At 6/11/06 06:59 AM, sdhonda wrote: Meh, the FLQ were pathetic. They only killed 2 people:A gaurdsman (by accident) and Pierre laport. He was kidnapped from his backyard while playing with his kids.
This plot is impossible. Parliment is pretty secure from a rambo attack. At the first sign of anything, the primeminister would be wisked away to a secret safe room.
Now a truck bomb might work.....
You're a dumbass.
People can easily go close up to the prime minister. Look up "jean chretien pie"
It could be donated.
Just look at the italien police and their Ferrari police car.
At 6/6/06 06:06 PM, fallen_son wrote:At 6/4/06 01:48 PM, -Michael- wrote: Perfect example of an America-hating Canadian. You hate freedom, don't you.wtf are u talking about? canada is way more free than america. ooo we cant have guns... so its safer here.... GOD FORBID IT BE SAFER! gays can get married in canada. anyone can buy beer at the convenience store. they dont card you in the french speaking places.
usa is a slave country, your jsut too stupid to realise it.
I wouldn't say safer if you live in Toronto, although it is dying down fortunately.
As for the french, DO not get me started.
Other than that, I don't see a reason why we have to start monitoring private citizens, without a judge's permission.
You do know the reason why this investigation started was some internet monitoring in a chatroom, right? In 2004 (the time when Paul martin was in power)?
Hey BigBlueBalls, shouldn't you be defending this guy right now?
http://news.yahoo.co..security_canada_dc_5
Allegations include plans for the “storming and bombing of various buildings,” Batasar told reporters. “There’s an allegation apparently that my client personally indicated that he wanted to behead the prime minister of Canada,” Batasar said.
At 6/5/06 10:07 PM, peedee wrote:At 6/5/06 07:23 PM, CadillacClock wrote:Actualy, more then just Toronto was affected. You'd be very naive to think that.
The only people who were scared or effected were residents in Toronto... to be fully honest, Toronto hasn't been the most friendly and joyful neighbour in the last two years. Violence was already on the rise, all the terror attack did was give hateful people an excuse.
And as for the violence... Overall it's been on the decline, but gun crimes have been on the rise.
Mississauga, where some of these muslims were from, has had some violence in the past few days. On sunday at night I witnessed a fight between two black kids and one HUGE muslim at a bus stop. I didn't stick around for long, but one of the glass walls was shattered the next day.
Wish I had a camera to show you how stupid some people are.
At 6/5/06 03:42 PM, BigBlueBalls wrote: Congratulations to Harper on being handed a terrorism card... just like Bush got in his first year in office. Just look at Harper's version of the "beacon of freedom" speech.
"Their alleged target was Canada, Canadian institutions, the Canadian economy, the Canadian people," Harper said. "We are a target because of who we are and how we live, our society, our diversity and our values values such as freedom, democracy and the rule of law. The values that make Canada great, values that Canadians cherish."
Hoooo boy, here we go alright... it has begun.
Terror arrests give novice leader election boost
The arrests will help Harper persuade Canadians that a closer security relationship with the US is necessary, as well as shore up support for the 2000-strong Canadian military presence in Afghanistan.
Yeah, because it's not Osama Bin Laden didn't say anything about going after Canada...
Oh wait, he did. The same Osama that has stated several times that he doesn't like the idea of church and government being seperate and declared Jihad on us.
Whether you like it or not, the reason why Islamic extremists are after us is because it's us.
