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I don't exactly believe what you are a talking about, but I do agree that women don't want to be seen as equals, just not be seen as stereotypes. Unfortunately, as long as women keep living up to stereotypes and dressing like whores, this isn't going to happen.

<sarcasm/truth>We like being different, we use our tits and ass to manipulate men. Why would we want to jeopardize that?</sarcasm/truth>

On a more serious note, I find it strange that it's okay for men to like lesbian porn and girls say "Well duh, guys like girls on girls". However, if a girl were to say to another girl "Gay porn is so hot" they'd be looked at as either a lesbian and just plain gross. I've seen it more with girls than I've seen it with men.

At 8/30/06 03:37 PM, sweede wrote: first thing first, I don't hate USA, but Im pretty annoyed...
here's some reasons:
1. You call yourself america, though you don't even have a third of the continents people or landsize.

We may be guilty of that sometimes, but that's because other countries refer to us as "stupid Americans". It caught on.

2. USA refer europe many times as a single country, often even as a single place.

That's pretty fucking unfair. I don't remember referring to europe as a single country. You think Americans are that stupid? You are pretty naive my friend. Any smart American knows that Europe is a continent, not a single country. We do go to school here.

3. All stupid wars.

That's pretty fucking stupid. We aren't the only country to get involved in a stupid war.

4. the fact that america has couped many democraticly chosen leaders becouse they were left-wing.

Um...okay?

5. All stupid hollywood crap.

Yet people for other countries except the hollywood crap and get excited when a celebrity visits their country. You must have living under a rock for the last couple of decades.

6. the very annoying patriotism.

I guess if we are proud our country, it makes us douchebags. You're argument is getting more idiotic by the second.

7. the fact that USA:s citizens think their ancestors invented democracy and all freedoms it gives.

We know where how the States were originally founded. That's because we don't originate from here but from Europe. So yes, our ancestors did invent democracy and all freedom.

8. All stupid mainstream crap music.

Oh give me a fucking break. This is mainstream music that Europeans and other people from other countries listen to. Cut the bullshit. The music industry gets as much money for foreign countries as they do the States. Not to mention that the UK itself is responsible for the demon spawns that are known as the Spice Girls. I wasted my life for three years listening. THREE FUCKING YEARS!

9. The extreme ignorance of other countries and cultures.

Possiblity. But including the whole population of the US in that statement is pretty close-minded. If you notice, the US itself is a muddle. We have all different cultures and religions that migrate here ever so often. It's impossible to be extremely ignorant about other countries and cultures when other cultures are so apparent here. Some stupid bigots like white and black nationalists may think that way.

10. the fact that USA produces 55% of all air pollution.

This is first time I've heard of this. Where do you get your information from?

Not saying nothing good comes from america, love Burger king!

Actually, Burger King is one of the bad things about the United States. And you made a mistake in saying America. Don't you mean US?

Because she won't share her pancake recipe with the public.

And women that don't share their pancake recipes with the public are evil bitches and I don't trust evil bitches.

At 8/30/06 11:03 AM, Togukawa wrote: I'd have to agree that the ten commandments don't have much to do with science vs religion... I might as well start describing the Nielsen-Bohr atomic model, or start quoting one gospel or the other. The ten commandments don't have anything to do with evolution, or creation for that matter.

Someone used the ten commandments as an attempt to make me feel stupid (I suppose either someone who just joined the conversation) and they completely failed it. And they gave me a lecture on how god wouldn't appreciate me saying those words (mockingly). Bringing the ten commandments into a conversation because someone who considers themselves Christian said "GODDAMN" or "FUCK" is not only a stupid attempt at a low blow, it completely leads away from the argument at hand. Someone cursing and the ten commandments as Togukawa mentioned, is not directly related to Creation or Evolution.

To just basically cop out this thing, the old testament itself shouldn't be a guide one minute and shouldn't be picked apart only when it's convient. This is why anything in the old testament is completely ignored due to the new one. This is why we classify the religion Christianity as Christianity. Everything that the son of God, Jesus, preached and talked about in the New Testament is how Christianity supposedly began. Christianity didn't begin when Moses got the ten commandments. It began after a disciple of Jesus decided to go off and bring a new belief group together over the many years after his death. Some "Christians" like to focus in completely on the Old Testament. With this move, they might as well convert to Judism. This is why the torah is based off of most parts of the Old Testament.

So if you are going to immaturely decide to mock Christian religion and take parts of the bible to therefore "enforce" your argument, at least do it from the New Testament. I'd advise you not to even bring up The Bible argument with me, because I will say it again: The Bible has been written, re-written, edited (although it says clearly not to do this), and mostly re-written again by man. It's lost it's credibility as the word of God a long time ago.

"but as it is they account for 70 percent of our prison population and 80 percent of the murder rate witch by the way is on there own people."

With stereotypical views of many Americans like trouble, if it did come to an election for a minority as a president, it would be very unlikely. They would'nt make it to nomination. Please don't say our country is less discriminatory. We can just hide it a lot better than other countries.

At 8/30/06 01:37 AM, troubles1 wrote: Biased things that don't matter.

I don't blame troops for the government is doing. Iraq didn't really want any help and now that they have it, well some people are going to be dependent on it and some people are still going to hate the US for it. Innocent people, sons, daughters, mothers, fathers are dying and fighting for something they aren't sure of. Could you honestly say that you are aware of the real reason that the army is there?

At 8/30/06 01:55 AM, AbsurdRandomness wrote: Hurricane time! The winds have begun.

Actually its tropical storm time. Not hurricane. Enjoy your two days off from school:)

At 8/30/06 01:49 AM, VigilanteNighthawk wrote: I agree with you there. I'm just sick of the companies. Of course, I'm also looking at a minimum of $300 for flash, which could be obsolete in less than 6 months anyway, so I'm not in the best of moods about the piracy issue.

If you are a student, you could get Macromedia Studio 8 for about 299.98 (tax included). I don't know if you would like invest in that, because it includes other things that you might not want.

At 8/30/06 01:37 AM, troubles1 wrote: LOL OIL, We are not there for oil hell our gas prices have trippled since the start. And if you realy had a friend who died why would you make it so meaninless? we are not there for oil.

blinks a couple of times

Our oil prices trippled because of the trouble of obtaining from a country we are invading. Don't forget the breakage in Alaska. There have been reports about it, not to mention Bush still hasn't made a clear statement as to why he sent armed forces to Iraq. First he claimed it was because of Osama Bin Laden, then said it wasn't because of Osama Bin Laden. Then he claimed that Saddam had committed international crimes and that he had so called weapons of destruction when there isn't any proof.

Please explain to us that if we aren't there for oil, why does Bush still have troops over there.

Hmm?

At 8/30/06 01:29 AM, VigilanteNighthawk wrote: HOLY SHIT, and I just heard that there is chocolate icecream. I mean, I've had vanilla before, but chocolate! I have got to try some of that.

NO
FUCKING
WAY

How come I just found out about this?!?!

At 8/30/06 01:17 AM, o_r_i_g_i_n_a_l wrote: I have a copy of this thesis.

It’s actually a really lovely recipe for pancakes.

I will cut you if you don't give to me. I DEMAND YOU SURRENDER THE PANCAKE RECIPE!

At 8/30/06 01:04 AM, troubles1 wrote: LOOK Sorry my spelling and grammer is not the best, but back to the subject if you remember sadam was I think a sunni and was killing the sheits it may have been the other way around. But it was Genoside thosands died and they will keep on killing each other if somebody does not stop them. and by the way that guy ORIGANAL yea your from scotland yourpeople dont help anybody you just bitch about things your to afraid to act on PUSSY!!!

I've learn the hard way that on this forum if you can't say some in an intelligent and non angry way that you are going to be attacked for many things. Get your point across. But calling someone a "PUSSY" because they aren't American and don't agree with your views is going to get you flamed like you have never been flamed before.

It's people like you that give other people from other countries their negative views on Americans.

At 8/30/06 01:04 AM, o_r_i_g_i_n_a_l wrote: But to put forward a candidate simply because of their race or sex is downright discriminatory.

It be like the worst case of Affirmative action yet. Just so people can prove to foreigners that Americans aren't racist or sexist. ViolentAJ (I think some of you remember him as the black dude who thought no black man can ever get japanese woman because all races are disgusted by blacks) made a good point. To some point, we are racist whether we realize it. Even to point, we can be sexist without realizing it. This includes Black Americans.

Doing it because of sex or race would be a very bad idea.

At 8/30/06 12:58 AM, o_r_i_g_i_n_a_l wrote: What do you guys think will come first? A Black president or a Hispanic one?

A white female president. As long as hip hop, rap, ghettos, hoes, pimps, "dancing", destruction of the human language are connected to all Black Americans or Hispanic Americans, there will never be a president elected or even nominated for the US.

Clear and simple: Telling someone that you pray that they won't go to hell is insinuating that they actually did something so horrible to go to hell. You use Christianity as a way to justify insulting someone because they're a liberal.

It's offensive.

At 8/30/06 12:14 AM, positively_negative wrote:

At 8/29/06 11:12 PM, Bubba_Phat wrote: That's 74,999 copies too many sold.

Well Paris brought 74, 999 of them.

I was wondering how Paris sold that many copies, assuming so many people dislike her high pitchy voice. Some of the beats are mediocre. This has to be reason why even this many copies were sold.

I mean, look at the meaningful lyrics of Fighting Over Me

Everytime I turn around, the boys fighting over me
Everytime I step out the house, they wanna fight over me
Maybe cuz I'm hot 'till death and I'm so so so sexy
All the boys, all the silly boys, they wanna fight over me

At 8/30/06 12:24 AM, KingCharles wrote: Ok, normally I try to stay middle-of-the-road when it comes to politics. However, Hillary Clinton scares the CRAP out of me. Basically, I see her as Nixon, except more power-hungry and less clever.

She a bit two faced. She rolls with the punch instead of staying with one opinion or one view. i'd say Nixon is a really good comparison

The reason I post this thread is to tell an interesting fact about Hillary's not-discussed college years. No, this isn't some mudslinging anecdote, its a valid fact.

Hillary Clinton (then known as Hillary Rodham) attended Wellsley College, a girls school in New Hampshire. Wellsley College requires a Thesis project from every student in order to graduate. Failure to do so means no diploma. It is also a policy that every thesis ever submitted will be open to access in the school archives.

Here's where it gets strange. You cannot find Hillary's thesis. She definitely did one, but you cannot find it in the archives. You can find everybody elses' theses, but not Hillary's. I wonder why......

I have my own theory about this odd fact, but I will reserve it until this thread has progressed somewhat.

FYI, I don't want anybody responding with dumbass answers like "maybe it was lost" or "maybe she really didn't do one."

I'm being serious when I say this sounds like the classic cover-up. She could have possibly wrote something so offense or so off that something was done by either the secret service and her own resources. It could have possibly been covered up after Bill Clinton was elected for office, way before she started getting as immensely involved as she is in politics. Maybe she took some action when she realized that one day she might run for president and anything that could seriously damage her credibility as just that.

Maybe it was a negative thesis on homosexuals? She seems to be extremely involved with gay rights now and I don't remember her ever even caring about it until maybe one of two years ago.

I would really appreciate it if everyone would leave me be at this point in this topic. I'm getting really annoyed because everyone is repeating the same thing over and over and over again, when I have stated over and over and over again that I completely understand and I'm not some drooling idiot.

I'm sick and tired of being quoted from in a negative insulting way when I never attacked one person before I was insulted. It's getting to the point where I'm told "you weren't attacked because you believe you were Christian" Yet I get statements like "You're ignorant" and "Oh look at the stupid Christian that just broke one the commandments" . You all get angry and frustrated me because I say (and I quote):

* Both the creation theory and evolution theory has holes.

*Scientific theories have some solid valid points and facts.

* The bible is an incomplete and unbelievable book written a thousand years ago by man and man alone, therefore can not be referred to as "Word of God".

* Scientists have been known to make very incorrect theories as well as new ones

*In my post, when I apologize to KingCharles, I admit that I was wrong in my outburst and that I was a bit naive about science because I'm more interested in art.

*Christians shouldn't be insulted because of something they believe in, no matter how irrational it may sound to you

When I made the last statement, this is all you zero in on. Forget my other statements about the debate. I chose to remain objective and when I didn't choose a side I was shot down. I keep getting told the theories have been proven. Here is are different definitions on theories for people who seem to misunderstand

the·o·ry n
1. the body of rules, ideas, principles, and techniques that applies to a particular subject, especially when seen as distinct from actual "practice"
2. abstract "thought" or "contemplation"
3. an idea of or belief about something arrived at through "speculation" or "conjecture"
4. a set of circumstances or principles that is "hypothetical"
5. a set of facts, propositions, or principles "analyzed" in their relation to one another and used, especially in science, to explain phenomena

Notice that I have quoted words that associates with thoughts and practicing. You can have a set of facts in a theory and still be completely wrong about it. I'm not entirely ruling out the possibility of Evolution, I just said I don't fully believe in it because of the holes it contains. I mentioned the Big Bang as an example that many atheists use as well and that it, itself, just like Evolution, has many proven facts and principles within it, but is still not a proven fact within itself. I don't like the idea of being derived from an ape or being referred to as. Personally, I've been called one before because of my skin color (half-black) and this is another reason why I am even more unsure about the theory of Evolution.

When I include the thought of theories, I also mean Christian theories. Now let me give my view on creationism, so you won't think I'm completely against science (as I've been accused of). Creationism has way more holes in than Evolution due to the fact that the theory itself was taken from the Christian Bible and never scientifically proven. It seems more like a fairy tale and many Catholics and Christians (including the Pope, as a poster so dearly pointed out in the page before this) have also realized that Evolution can be a possibility. Being made out of clay just isn't cutting it anymore. That doesn't mean I can't hold on to small ounce of me that believes that there is possibly a higher being out there that might have actually acheived this impossible feat. Call me unrealistic, yes. But I like the possiblity of heaven and hell. False hope or not, it's hope that keeps me going and always have. I find spiritual peace and comfort in this. Is it so wrong, as long as I don't put down other people for who there are and try remain a decent person?

I don't like to see skin color and get made fun of by family members for doing so (instead of my mother). I don't see why gays can't married because they deserve love. I don't understand why people make such a big deal out of curse words that usually just slips of the tongues. And I don't understand why I'm being judged because of my religion. Aren't Christians accused of doing the same thing?

Point being: You've made a good argument, but harassing me more is not going to solve anything.

Peace out doods!

At 8/29/06 09:51 PM, Freemind wrote:

At 8/28/06 09:15 PM, LMHMorales wrote:

Don't support scientists, support science. Scientists can say whatever they want, it's all bullshit unless they provide evidence for it. Decide for yourself if it makes sense.

I guess you missed everything else I said about believing most scientific discoveries and theories, so the point of me trying to explain this to you would be futile.

No, an idiot is an idiot no matter what they say they believe in, it is a persons arguement that sets people apart.

I was called ignorant for being a Christian. I do believe that some can be an "idiot" not matter who they are. Again, you obviously didn't understand what I was angry about so I'm not going to bother.

At 8/28/06 08:59 PM, LMHMorales wrote:

Wow, I bet god is loving this post. Lets see, you broke the third commandment twice, and I am pretty sure the big guy isn't a huge fan of the F word.

Wow, if you would know that I have mentioned a couple of times that I'm not the "model" Christian, then you would know that I also apologized for my language. I never claimed to be perfect and I never claimed to have an higher than thou attitude on everything, something you obviously do. Please quote from me, like many of you love doing, that I said once that I believe in everything the bible has to say. Read my posts and you'll discover that your close-minded view of things I said while I was angry is kind of unfair. Also, bringing up the commandments is kind of dumb, considering just about everybody lie's when it's convient for them, even Christians. No one can say they never broke a commandment, (from the Old Testament, by the way, a book that advises you that in order to be forgiven you have to kill a goat and sacrifice it).

I suppose you're making an attempt at mocking me. You really failed there, sorry to tell you. Was I supposed to offended by your lame attempt of an insult? I explained I behaved irrationally. If you want to pick at the posts before my apologetic post, go on and take the "high" road.

At 8/28/06 08:53 PM, LMHMorales wrote:

No, racists who happened to also be scientists tried to pass off his beliefs as fact with fake evidence. Naturally, it didn't catch on because the shit he said didn't make sense, and guess how, thats right, SCIENTIFICALLY. Other professions happened to have racists in their ranks as well. Why don't you make a list of professions we should hate because one of them might make a racist joke, or even say the N word on occasion.

Oh please, this wasn't about one stupid racist scientist. There was no "trying to pass on beliefs" that had already been set for years before. These were theories that were praised by most of the scientific community before the mid-1900's. This wasn't viewed as racism, it was viewed as "naturally and scientifically true". This was mostly because of what they were raised and taught to think. They strongly believed in these theories and facts about superiority of the white race and inferiority to other races. They have done studies and research on how these races were genetically inferior based purely on their opinions. I was trying to point out the scientific studies aren't always to be trusted. I suppose you're going to accuse me of being a black person who calls every white person racist? These studies weren't just on blacks, they were on hispanics and other non-white cultures.

I just think people like to naturally attack people that don't believe everything science has to say on the world. I'll say it again: I would be quoted and picked apart if I would have taken the side of Draconian instead of trying to remain objective (until the very end). If I'm going to be viewed as an idiot for being different and having an open mind towards the possibility that Evolution is only one theory from science and that there might actually be others that haven't been discovered as of yet, than I'm a stone idiot.

There's a thick line between being a mother and smacking your daughter for being a smart ass with a nasty mouth and a drunk father who wants his daughter's password so he could be a pedophile.

I hope that bastard rots in jail over the fucking password he just needed to have.

Fuck XBox360 and claims that PS3 cost six hundred dollars.

If it heals the sick it is obviously much better. I guess I'm going to have to sell my mother.

At 8/23/06 06:44 PM, GorillaUnit485 wrote: http://news.yahoo.co..60823/en_tv_eo/19833


I actually lol'd

Is this funny to anyone else?

It's so fucking obvious that it isn't racist. But people are still going to complain and tune in. CBS television is sinking into a deep shithole and so they needed something as controversial as segregation to boost up their ratings. No one should watch, just for the fact that the CBS has just proved that they are a bunch of attention whores.

At 8/29/06 03:41 PM, Moose1015 wrote: I really see nothing sexist/racist about it. Just because it has 2 black and white women doesn't mean it's sexist. Sexist would be "If you buy a PSP, hot women will have sex with you and cook you meals".

Though I have to say, I don't see what the ad has to do with a hand held gaming system. Hell, the talking chipmunks aren't half bad compared to this.

You have a strange view of sexism. Although sexism is commonly viewed as "the hatred of women" it's also about the poor image of women. It's just not about women being used as sex objects and household items. It's about viewing a woman as a stereotype.

Why am I the only one who notices the way they have their hands clawed at each other? Please don't tell me that it doesn't mean catfight, because I'm thinking Sony meant to portray it just as that. When you see men fight do you automatically think catfight. No, because it's term usually associated with a female fight. I also believe that this ad was especially meant for men and not meant for women.

That's thing. It has nothing to do with the PSP themselves. Sony is just being an attention whore company and they are really bad at.

This is a moronic topic. Although I don't agree with the emo lifestyle, I think it's pretty much a"sheep activity" that you are doing here. This is nothing original, therefore not funny.

At 8/29/06 12:20 PM, SlipperyMooseCakes wrote: Well isn't that an oxymoron.

A Christian camp where slutty 15 year old girls leave bras in bags and give blowjobs.

Sounds like a really prude place. Good for him though. Except for the fact that he was caught.

It has nothing to do with being prude. Their kids who thinks except to just do anything with anybody. Parents send their kids off to camp hoping they have good clean fun, Christian camp or not. This little girl could have herpes or syphilis and could have transferred it to him. Especially if the girl is slutty.

Both of them are pretty stupid and they pretty much got what they deserved.

At 8/29/06 02:19 PM, emmytee wrote:

I really dont think the cause of the hatred of america comes from people being offended by American culture, it comes from American foreign policy. Maybe it is the american government and not the people, but the soldiers are 'the people', Bush was elected by 'the people'(arguably), americans made the bombs and planes, americans work for the oil companies and banks that are the reason for so much of the suffering in the middle east and the world. Maybe you dont agree with it, but many americans do and the only reason that bush gets away with everything he has done is because americans let him. So yes, people do hate america, and considering that you live in a democracy, are not opreessed and as you said can say anything you want, they have every right to.

We don't have as much freedom as you assume we have. Freedom of speech is a biggy and if you aren't gay you are free to marry whoever you want. But of course if you are a women marrying outside of your race you are viewed as either a traitor or a slut.

Why is that you assume that it is just America doing all these things? What about Britian? I see no mention of the prime minister unable to keep his nose out of Iraq's foreign affairs. And most of us, the lower middle class and poor people, don't have control over the rich people do. In this country, if you aren't at least middle class and don't live in ghettos, you are viewed as the great example of the good American individual.

Americans don't let Bush do anything. We've complained, we've protested, hell even celebrities have spoken out against Bush. We've tried to play a huge part in getting our girls and boys back from a place they don't belong. But that fact is that even now are freedom is limited to the point where we can say we are against, but can't do a damn thing about it. Oh and about Bush winning:

It's obvious Jeb Bush played a huge part in voting mix up. Very obvious. People like to blame Floridians for counting the ballots wrong, but I still hold a firm belief little brother Bush was scratching big brother Bush's back. A lot of people are still angry about the election. We were royally fucked in having to accept Bush as a president.

At 8/29/06 02:27 PM, A_Carrot_By_Dr_Riot wrote:

At 8/29/06 01:19 PM, -Fudge- wrote: There is another one where the black woman is in the dominent postition...
But of course no-one picks up on that. I can't even find it on google images.

But until there is an ad where they are on equal footing is created it's still racist. You definitely will not find it, even if you do a google search for "Sony psp ad"

Please look above. I found the picture. Here's the third one where they have equal footing (but it didn't make it to the final ad cut)

At 8/29/06 02:22 PM, -Fudge- wrote:

At 8/29/06 02:03 PM, LMHMorales wrote: Why it might be considered as sexist?

1) Catfight

Would you have a problem if it was two men fighting?

It depends. Are the men scantily-clad and have their "claws" out to insinuate clawing? To tell you the truth, it would probably be a problem because then it would be a black man and a white man fighting. People would be just as offended (in the wrong way). If men were put in this ad with their fists and their shirts off while they sweat and wrestle on the ground, it would be just as sexist (in my opinion).1

2) Why is it two women (!?!) in black and white and not just the video game system itself?

Why does any advert have anything other than the product itself? What's wrong with having women in adverts?

Why can't it be about the product itself? This could have been done different and lot better (I think expertly drawn black and white dragons would have been a lot more nicer looking). It's bad taste not only because of the positions the women are in, but also because Sony wanted people to either be offended or intrigued by its racy imagery.

I understand the ying and yang thing are trying to get across. The pictures are beautiful taken. But I can't get it out of my mind how both men and women are used in such stereotypical view. If the women would be in different fighting poses (without their hands in a claw position) and the "white psp" was dressed a little bit more approriately, then I wouldn't see a big problem with it.

At 8/29/06 10:44 AM, Dragon_Smaug wrote:

At 8/29/06 08:12 AM, LMHMorales wrote: Looseness about religion

Too many different religions. I've also seen a couple of Muslims get angry about people making fun of their religion. Muslims take their religion much more seriously than others. If a holy war is called out in US, you can expect some major shit to start happening.

I would like to point out that you are wrong in saying that, “Muslims take their religion much more seriously than others.” There are people of every religion who take their religion extremely seriously. There may be a larger number of Muslims who fall into this category (in part due to the size of Islam in the world), and more visibly, but they are by far not the only religious people on the planet.

I don't doubt that every religion has extremely serious religious followers. But in the point of Muslims, they have a lot of pent up anger about the way the US views their religion. Plus, let's not forget that if a holy war is called on upon any country that Muslims don't ignore this. This is dangerous. I'm not downgrading the Muslim religion or any other religion, but too many times have I seen the US media make Iraq look like an disgusting uncivilized country where people burn American flags. People assume from an outside point of view that the US isn't respectable of any religion (except for maybe Christianity). I

And I'm the one to blame and the American people are the one to blame that our government does messed up shit? Do you think we agree with it? Like we have a choice in what our government? YOU need to stop blaming AMERICANS for things OUR GOVERNMENT does.

Sadly, in the perfect democracy, an American would be able to say proudly that his government accurately represents him and his wishes.

Thank you. I'm sick of tired about people viewing American people as rednecks. They forget that being of country of a lot of different beliefs and cultures means that everyone thinks different. And they speak about us being close-minded.

Here's the other one.

Why it might be considered as sexist?

1) Catfight
2) Why is it two women (!?!) in black and white and not just the video game system itself?

I really hope you aren't referring to me posting this post about "Americans making this a big deal". It's been real controversial this week and I was just wondering what everyone thought of the ads personally.

I think I asked to "keep the conversation civil". Attacking Americans (again) is not only unfair, it's really stupid.