At 4/22/01 12:51 PM, traekwon wrote:
>>I could refer to the whole of America as pitifully stupid - a "great" nation who not only make a balls up of their election, they take over six weeks to sort the problem out.
I'm not so candid though.
And I'm not so candid to say that I could refer to Britain as pitifully stupid -- for feeding their animals their own body parts and spreading Mad Cow disease, or being so lax in thier farm practices they have a huge outbreak of Foot & Mouth disease which spreads to other countries, almost destroying their economy.. give me a botched election any day.
I saw the post you made, "Shame on you UK..", and let it go, seeing as you couldn't be bothered to express your own opinion (you'd copied and pasted three completely unrelated articles), as you did with the Ramones article you posted.
Now you've taken a quote from me completely out of context with this post (obviously in some sort of attempt to humiliate me). Why, I don't know. The only reason I can deduce is that you've got some sort of problem with the fact that I ended up as user of the day for so long. Yet that'd be a stupid reason, as I, nor anyone other than the people working for Newgrounds, have any sort of control over who gets to be user of the day.
Perhaps you didn't get the point I was trying to make in the post containing the "Candid" statement, which was "it's dangerous to apply stereotypes, as they're very often wrong."
However, going back to what you've said about Foot and Mouth, BSE and in your "shame on you UK" post (which, in addition to the farming issues in this post, contained a pop at the British transportation system), you clearly haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
In the article you posted, it mentioned "The British Government should have done more to contain the outbreak" (etc). True. They should have done. However, containment of Foot and Mouth disease isn't as straightforward as people often think. Foot and Mouth disease is a "clever" disease - it's one of these diseases that can survive outside of its host. Not only can it survive out of its host, it can attach itself to just about anything - which includes (but is not restricted to) cars, birds.... everything that moves. That is why this outbreak of Foot and Mouth disease is known as an "outbreak". It's very difficult to contain, even on quick diagnosis, so that is why it spreads so quickly. Preventing exports of meat did little to kerb the spread of the virus abroad, as people most likely carried it over. It's ironic that France should complain about the spread of the disease, as it's just as likely some French people touring the UK could have taken the disease back over with them as it is UK people and the exports that got through to France did.
BSE is a completely different disease to Foot and Mouth, both in how it attacks the beasts it infects and how it it passed on to different animals. BSE attacks the nervous system of the animals and sends them... Well.... Mad. (Note that foot and mouth, whilst extremely contageous, is neither life threatening to the animals, or harmful to humans: it just causes small blisters to form on the animals' hooves and mouths).
The "feeding animals their own body parts" is partly true: Offel contains all sorts of stuff I'd rather not know about. But you'd be obtuse to think that the feeding of offel to cattle is restricted to the UK. It's practised all over the world (and I'd be surprised if there weren't parts of America that did the same thing). I read an article somewhere that the French actually fed their cattle on treated sewage (though I can't remember where).
Mad cow disease doesn't typically "spread" as you've mistakenly written. Unlike foot and mouth disease, that can spread via just about anything that moves, mad cow disease is contracted by the animals via what is fed to them (and CJD is contracted by humans after consumption of infected meat), so unless other countries were feeding their animals with offel, they would not be affected by the disease. However, like BSE, Foot and Mouth can also be spread through what is fed to the animals, and in the case of this particular outbreak, it's believed that the source was meat from abroad destined for a Chinese Restaurant (which makes you wonder how safe meat humans are eating is (and meat that has not just come from the UK)).
To say that Farming practices are "lax" is also incorrect - more so that the journalists in the UK are extremely vigilant, and cases such as foot and mouth are often on the front page of the tabloids before they've been brought to the attention of the Government or respective farming bodies.
The French (and I think it was the French agriculture minister you quoted in your post) were pretty funny in how they handled BSE there. When the UK announced that they had a problem, sales of UK beef were banned in France and they put out a message, "Eat French beef - it's safer than British and BSE free." Shortly after, someone turned round and asked them if they had actually tested their livestock to see whether or not it was infected. It turns out that they were.
Don't think that I'm sticking up for the UK Government here by the way, because I'm not. One of the articles that you posted stated that the British Transport system was an embarrasment to the rest of Europe. I couldn't agree more, and I'm fortunate enough to have my own car.
However, it can't be all bad. To quote Tom (taken from http://www.newgrounds.com/lit/adventures.html):
"After spending nine days using the London Underground, a fine public transportation system that actually arrives on schedule, my hatred for SEPTA is at an all time high. I can't just blame SEPTA, either. It's the people who use it. The people who urinate on it and even defecate on occasion. I thought this was standard practice until I went to London and found no urine or defecation in site. It boggles the mind!"
Alright. I'm done with what turns out to be a lenghty reply now. :)