2,229 Forum Posts by "leanlifter1"
At 10/5/12 01:35 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: sounds like something some right wing tea party nut.
I don't know about that.
At 10/5/12 01:16 AM, Camarohusky wrote: What's your goal here?
To open minds and restore the constitutional rights to freedom, prosperity, and truth 100% back to the American people and the world.
At 10/5/12 12:19 AM, Light wrote:At 10/5/12 12:01 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:At 10/4/12 11:21 PM, Light wrote:At 10/4/12 06:11 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: 13 points to identify that you may live in a Fascist Nation !
I'm familiar with the aspects of fascism and most of them aren't possessed by the U.S. at this point in time.
Well that is a matter of opinion weather or not America is a fascist nation however I will provide more clarification in another post as to why I believe America to be highly Fascist even though I agree with you that the way America was founded was not Fascist but times have changed sadly.
At 10/4/12 11:21 PM, Light wrote:At 10/4/12 06:11 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: 13 points to identify that you may live in a Fascist Nation !
I'm just going to assume that this thread is implying the U.S. is a fascist nation.
Examining the displays of nationalism in fascist states, I can safely say that nothing of that sort exists in the U.S. Americans don't attend military parades because they don't occur here. They don't swear allegiance to the President or to values that most would find objectionable. Instead, Americans often pledge allegiance to the ideals of justice and liberty. Hardly fascist.
I see you are a young man just out of or still in high school so I will break it down for you as high school is an indoctrination camp with much propaganda to desensitize, dumb down and disorient the youth so this is why I will break it down just for you in another post on this thread and please read it with an open mind before damming it :-)
At 10/4/12 10:05 PM, Jmayer20 wrote: What you said happens in every system of government. Fascism, Communism, Monarchy, Oligarchy, Representative Democracy, and even a true Democracy.
Keep drinking the koolaid.
At 10/4/12 10:05 PM, Jmayer20 wrote:
You did not answer the question. How does not voting make anything better? Do you really think not voting would cause a system to be formed that did not kill people in foreign lands or try to trick its public?
What you said happens in every system of government. Fascism, Communism, Monarchy, Oligarchy, Representative Democracy, and even a true Democracy.
The truth is that our system may not be perfect but looking at all the other systems out there I can safely say the other systems are worse. So until you come up with a realistic system that is better and explain how it is better I have no reason to believe that you know what you are talking about.
Keep driving the koolaid while it lasts.
13 points to identify that you may live in a Fascist Nation !
1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause
4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism
5. A controlled mass media
6. Obsession with national security
7. Religion and ruling elite tied together
8. Power of corporations protected
9. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated
10. Obsession with crime and punishment
11. Rampant cronyism and corruption
12. Fraudulent elections
13. Denial of any or all of the above
At 10/4/12 05:35 PM, Jmayer20 wrote: So how does not voting at all change any of this or make anything better? Sitting around on your ass just hoping that things will get better is not going to help. Really I don't see a point in his message. Even if what he says is true how does not voting make it better. It almost sounds like he wants anarchy. This system my not be perfect but it is the best system out there so unless you can come up with a better system then I suggest that you sit down and shut the fuck up!
I can see you have your ego bound towards voting kinda like how a sports fan has there ego tied to there team. The best system out there would not be one that KILLS for profit and to sustain ignorant people on the home front.
At 10/4/12 03:06 PM, Pygmaelion wrote: to get rid of the Department of Education is so that they can teach Creationism to our children.
Discuss.
In all honesty that would be an improvement on the failed education system that is in America.
At 10/4/12 02:44 PM, CrazyKat wrote: Would it be fair to say that you oppose democracy entirely, or just the United States version of it? If it is the latter, what would you do to improve it?
The question I would like to ask you is for you to give me as many solid reasons as you can on why everyone should vote and the benefits that will come short and long tearm as a voter.
At 10/4/12 08:43 AM, morefngdbs wrote: OP , at least your system allows you to write in a candidate.
or vote for a third party who may be on the ballet.
by voting outside of usual 2 choices of Twiddle Dee or Twiddle Dum ,you at least show the political Parties that there is a desenting faction & if that faction grows large enough both of them can lose.
I personally find it unconscionable not to vote, even if as it is here in my country , sometimes no one is running that I would trust to pick empty coffee cups up off the streets. I go & vote .
I have to spoil my ballot, but I still exercise my right to vote.
I have a friend I went to school with who's family is politically connected, past elected family members, leaders of their political Party etc. He told me that when a person gets elected they have a record of all the eligible voters in their district & whether you have voted or not. they don't know how you voted, just that you do & if you write or call them with a concern etc. You are more likely to see attention paid to your concern as a voter than an apathetic nonvoter.
Until people understand how the game is played then they have no right to be talking about or voting on topics that they think they understand. The people that Vote are sheep that do not understand for if they did they would not vote. Voting is a tantamount to accepting your roll in subservience and irresponsibility to take matters into your own hands. Why pass the buck.
At 10/4/12 08:03 AM, CrazyKat wrote:At 10/4/12 02:03 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:At 10/4/12 01:17 AM, Camarohusky wrote:
If your idea is correct, explain me this. Every year since 1960 between 36-51% of the population doesn't vote in presidential elections. The percentage of people not voting is much higher for lower office. According to your logic the government should have been getting the message that the greater population has no confidence in it in every election for the past 50 years. I haven't seen any major positive change along the lines that you are referring to. If anything it has gotten worse.
Not everyone is eligible and informed enough to vote in society in the first place in fact most people are not therefore highlighting the inefficiency and invalidity of the voting system.
The idea that you can make a positive change by sitting and your hands is ridiculous when you consider that those who support the opposite position are actively pursuing their own agenda. Case in point, many states have passed laws that actually reduce the amount of people who can vote in elections.
There is no opposition only the illusion of it. "many states have passed laws that actually reduce the amount of people who can vote" If true that is a case in point of the inefficiency and invalidity of the voting system.
You state that there is no chance for a third party to win, but history does not exactly bear that out. There have been many successful third party candidates. Ross Perot won 19% of the vote. George Wallace won 14% of the vote. Robert LaFollette won 17% of the vote. Theodore Roosevelt won 27% of the vote. Those are just four examples in the last hundred years.
To my understanding that is not a majority win now is it. All parties are an illusion as they will all play ball with the Banking cartels, Wall Street, the Rockefellers, etc ... or they will go down in history as a victim.
While none of these candidates won, many of them would all have been in striking distance if more of the voting public had come out to vote for them. Additionally, I think the reason some of these individuals did not win is because much of the American public possesses the same view that you do. They think a third party cannot win so they make it so. The only thing stopping a third party candidate from winning is the American people's reticence to vote for one.
That is a matter of opinion ^ .
It is also worth noting that we have not always had the two parties that now occupy most political offices. The parties in power have changed over time or disappeared according to the wants and needs of the voting public. Some examples are parties that once held executive power, but no longer exist are: Democratic-Republican, Federalist, National Republican, and Whig. The early years of the republic were much more dynamic as far as new parties then they are today. That shows that there is a precedent, not only for third parties, but for third parties becoming majority parties.
Once you learn that there is only "the market" then you will realize how futile it is to vote.
At 10/4/12 02:48 AM, BloodPact wrote: When has either side kept their word? The problem that we have is that these two parties have been usurped by career politicians on both ends of the spectrum. How can these Senators keep their jobs for 40-50 years? It is a cycle that goes back and forth, and will continue to go back and forth until Judgment Day. Next thing you know World War III is going to happen, I think by then it'll be survival of the fittest. Now I understand why people are wanting that zombie apocalypse now.
:"Judment Day, WWIII, survival of the fittest, people are wanting that zombie apocalypse now": BOLLOCKS LOL
At 10/4/12 02:43 AM, BloodPact wrote:At 10/4/12 02:03 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:At 10/4/12 01:17 AM, Camarohusky wrote:
If you are so pissed about the two party system, why are you not out there advocating for a third party? In order to rid us of the corruption that goes on within these two parties, it is best to insert an idea that everybody can identify with, not the one side that each party stands for. The Founding Fathers in establishing this country GAVE this one right granted to us as American citizens, and it is through this that we rid ourselves of the corruption of these two parties that has been sucking us dry all these years. If you don't want to vote, you can always leave the country, have a nice election.
I am not pissed off just disappointed in the collective ignorance and lack of critical thinking that surrounds me day to day. There is only two parties which are one party with the illusion of two that are chosen to uphold the proverbial statuesque "business as usual" as they say this is just how it works as they are backed by the Media, banks, Military Industrial Complex, Federal and State Police, the church, and many ultra rich and influential people like the Rockefellers. I don't understand why people think that voting is actively making a change LOL when in fact all you are essentially doing is picking your dictator for the next tearm of 4 years or whatever it may be and giving up your right to have a voice as you voluntarily gave that right away when you voted and this is how the government sees it. I think in the states to some degree the more logical and fruitful voting would be done on the most local levels however why paint a sinking ship is all I am saying on the topic of Obamney and romney.
At 10/4/12 01:42 AM, Camarohusky wrote:At 10/4/12 01:26 AM, wwwyzzerdd wrote: So the consensus is that Mitt Romney won the debate because he attacked the President more. In my years of studying and competing in debates, this is NOT how you win a debate per se,Debates are not won by what is said, rather by how it is said. Romney looked more comfortable and ready than Obama.
The only real thing people can do now is to peacefully, legally and Actively resist by way of not voting to really show in numbers that the people will not put up with things such as but not limited to war profiteering, lobbying, fiat currency, debt based currency, private owned federal reserve banking cartel, and crony capitalism. By way of not voting it is a very real and direct action in the eyes of the government that shows them that you actively and positively do not support the issues aforementioned. Do you really believe for a minute that the issues previously denoted will change with a vote ? I guarantee these issues will change no matter who the figure head in power at any given time your vote be dammed as your country will continually deteriorate by way of self enable collective international ignorance and disregard for the gravity and critical seriousness of the issues that are faced not only on the national level but global alike.
At 10/4/12 01:17 AM, Camarohusky wrote: Well, you can sit there and bitch about it. Why do anything real when you can get a pumpkin spice latte and ssmoke weed?
I don't drink Starbucks/Koolaid or smoke. The only real thing people can do now is to peacefully, legally and Actively resist by way of not voting to really show in numbers that the people will not put up with things such as but not limited to war profiteering, lobbying, fiat currency, debt based currency, private owned federal reserve banking cartel, and crony capitalism. By way of not voting it is a very real and direct action in the eyes of the government that shows them that you actively and positively do not support the issues aforementioned. By way of not voting is a vote for no confidence in the system and if one has confidence in this system they are truly deluded and or are running a hidden agenda.
At 10/4/12 01:06 AM, AnonymousOfCali wrote:At 10/4/12 12:00 AM, CrazyKat wrote:implying any third party has a chanceAt 10/3/12 11:37 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwIr_dsuyCs&feature=plcpWell this is stupid and pointless. If you don't want to vote for either the Republicans or the Democrats vote for a third party.
This is correct as we live in a two party system which transcends the total number of campaigning parties.
At 10/4/12 12:00 AM, CrazyKat wrote:At 10/3/12 11:37 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwIr_dsuyCs&feature=plcpWell this is stupid and pointless. If you don't want to vote for either the Republicans or the Democrats vote for a third party. There are many third parties in the US and if you can't find a candidate among then, write one in. Not voting is just limited your own speech. You aren't sending a message to anyone by not voting. Both sides would rather you not vote then vote for their opponent. Additionally, almost half the country doesn't vote already.
You missed the message and vaguely misunderstood. It is a two party system with the illusion of choice as voting in and of itself is a lost cause and history has proven this fact as the system continues to degrade year after year as crime as poverty and debt are at all times highs not to mention war budgets and profiting.
At 10/3/12 11:34 PM, naronic wrote:At 10/3/12 11:23 PM, mothballs wrote:
Yeah, I most liked the part where Romney cut the moderator off, vaguely told the audience what they wanted to hear while not being able to articulate his policy to lower taxes without hellishly raising costs for middle class families.
Another step to eliminate the middle class good thing he was unable to effectively articulate his rhetoric on that one as the sheep will follow if it sounds good as history has proven time and time again.
At 10/3/12 11:12 PM, TheKlown wrote: The President looked really bad tonight, I'm not sure who is going to win the election now.
At 10/3/12 11:17 PM, ZJ wrote: I tried watching the debate with my mom and dad but ended up falling asleep towards the end as Obama and Romney ignored the moderator and did whatever the Hell they wanted. The only really concrete thing I got from all of this was that Romney doesn't like Big Bird and that Obama just wants 5 more goddamn seconds to talk.
#CANTWAITFORTHISSHITTOEND
"Obama and Romney ignored the moderator and did whatever the Hell they wanted." A preview of business as usual on;y when the get in power they ignore the people and not some inane "moderator".
At 10/3/12 11:05 PM, DawnOfDusk wrote:At 10/3/12 10:59 PM, berthon wrote:Wow, this is pitiful. This forum board is full of Leftists who think Obama didn't get his ass handed to him.ha! that's it in a nutshell.
Romney: IM GOING TO DO THIS AND THIS AND REPEAL THIS AND THIS AND THAT
Moderator: your time is u---
Romney: NO IM NOT FINISHED FUCK YOU! AND IM GOING TO...
Moderator: your time is up sir. Obama take the floor.
Obama: So how are you going to do this?
Romney: uhhh... IM JUST GOING TO DO IT ALRIGHT!
Even Worse! Is then stepping up and saying that the debates don't matter
blah propaganda blahBill Clinton & George W. Bush won their Presidency based off of their debates. Romney dominated this debate.
Bush is a war mongering profiteer not to mention Dick Cheney/Halliburton. Obama won on the premise that he would help fix Bushes many fuck ups as be that as it mayt Obama is working for Wall Streets interests and could give a shit about ending wars so long as the profit keeps rolling in and the debt is on your shoulders not his.
At 10/3/12 11:01 PM, Travis wrote:At 10/3/12 10:55 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: We truly are fucked if we think that debating over rhetorical propaganda campaigning is going to make a positive and tangible difference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwIr_dsuyCs&feature=g-user-u
Dude, I understand that corporations and shit lobby the government, but it's my right to say "fuck you" to that guy who made the video and vote because there ARE things that either one of the candidates can do that WILL effect me.
Just because the kooloaid tastes good does not mean it is good for you. Ignorance is bliss to some and death for others.
At 10/3/12 10:49 PM, Travis wrote:At 10/3/12 10:41 PM, RightWingGamer wrote: Everyone's biased.Is indifference biased?
We truly are fucked if we think that debating over rhetorical propaganda campaigning is going to make a positive and tangible difference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwIr_dsuyCs&feature=g-user-u
At 10/3/12 10:30 PM, Travis wrote: So, throughout this entire debate a friend and I decided to satirize the entire debate through facebook comments.
At 10/3/12 10:06 PM, RandomRoarness wrote:At 10/3/12 09:56 PM, Xxf3nxX wrote: I'm sick of Ritt Momney's voice.That's not much of an valid reason
Please don't vote for that weirdo guys.
At 10/3/12 10:19 PM, naronic wrote:At 10/3/12 10:07 PM, TheKlown wrote:Your sarcasm detector needs repair badly...At 10/3/12 09:56 PM, Xxf3nxX wrote: I'm sick of Ritt Momney's voice.That is the perfect reason not to vote for a Candidate because the way they look or sound.
Please don't vote for that weirdo guys.
At 10/3/12 10:07 PM, TheKlown wrote:At 10/3/12 09:56 PM, Xxf3nxX wrote: I'm sick of Ritt Momney's voice.That is the perfect reason not to vote for a Candidate because the way they look or sound.
Please don't vote for that weirdo guys.
Guess you guy's never heard of a two party system. Insanity: "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Einstein. Voting = doing the same thing over and over every election and expecting a different result.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwIr_dsuyCs&feature=plcp
At 10/3/12 01:59 AM, 24901miles wrote:At 10/3/12 01:33 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: copy pasted wall of textWe don't like sloppy seconds here. GTFO.
Regardless of what was posted whats your take on Capitalism ?
