2,229 Forum Posts by "leanlifter1"
At 10/6/12 01:11 PM, 24901miles wrote: No.
Lean Lifter, I have an interest in the subject and the facts of the matter. I have no interest in reading the typo-ridden verbal dribble of a hypocrital thinker who makes extreme judgements without any information. Either shape up your game or get off the court.
So attacking the person and there typos in your eyes makes there message erroneous or irrelevant LOL ok. Hey speaking of typos you misspelled hypocritical so by way of virtue as the age old adage goes "Practice what you preach" renders your own message one of as you said "typo-ridden verbal dribble". I suggest you add something valuable or at least enlightening to this topic or any other or just don't bother posting please if all you do is attack people that you disagree with on really what amounts to trivial matters of opinion :-)
At 10/6/12 12:53 PM, Memorize wrote:
Oh, I know who you are.
Really do you ?
You're what I call a fake "lefty". Someone who pretends to care about certain issues, but when push comes to shove, we all know who you'll pull the lever for.
I am not a label "left" or "right" I am a Human Being and one that does not support politics and or voting heck I haven't even payed taxes since the war on Afghanistan began years ago.
It amuses me how you talk about fascism, only to run around demanding people not wear certain things because it "offends" you.
IMO the classroom should be a place of learning where it is comfortable & relaxed environment for all students and teachers as well Opinions, Egos, and questionable attire should be checked at the door for the benefit and comfort of all students and teachers. How is advocating a neutral, safe, and balanced learning environment to be considered fascist ?
Dumbass.
Ad hominem attack = irrelevant and signifies you may have personal issues you need to take care of. May Peace be onto my brother :-)
At 10/6/12 12:09 PM, 24901miles wrote:
Worst nutcase on the video game website's political subforum, 2012.
Ad hominem attacking - is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or unrelated belief of the person supporting it. AKA a "Logical Fallacy"
If you want to debate do so in an intelligent manor however all you have accomplished here is name calling which I might add was not called for and not even close to being anything based on fact.
At 10/6/12 10:39 AM, Memorize wrote:At 10/6/12 07:46 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:WHat is painful is how quick and easy some people are to believe and eat up some propaganda from a mainstream news network on an issue that in reality may or may not have actually taken place and the actual underling circumstances that were involved again if any.Lol, the shear irony in that statement.
It's always funny when Barack "Bush 3rd term" Obama's supporters actually think he's any different than Romney when all they have to do is a simple review of his record to realize he's almost identical.
Who voted to bail out the banks and auto industry like Bush did? Obama
Who passed a stimulus bill in an attempt to "revive" the economy like Bush did? Obama
Who extended the patriot act that Bush signed into law? Obama
Who expanded the wars in the middle east started by Bush (well, Clinton really)? Obama
Who increased drone strikes into Pakistan that Bush started? Obama
You talk about how stupid the kid is for wearing a Romney shirt in class... you might want to look in the mirror you useless, little dipshit.
What are you on about LOL I literally advocate neither Romney, Obamney and defiantly never advocated Bush for day one in any way shape or form. I also agree that it's as they say "Business as usual" and that as you say the similarities between candidates far out way the trivial differences. Know who you are talking to before popping off next time please :-)
At 10/6/12 10:14 AM, 24901miles wrote:At 10/6/12 08:00 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: That kid should not have been wearing that shirt and her parents should be held accountable because you know for a fact they are the ones whom brainwashed there child into supporting a specific "Politician".You don't know that at all. That could be the dumbest thing you've written.
Please think yourself through before posting that sort of nonsense.
You know for a fact her whole family was sitting around the idiot box or rather TV soaking up all the propaganda and rhetoric possible from there favorite puppet. Out of the whole comment that's all you pulled from it is ": You don't know that at all" and called me a name LOL sure bud come again without the use of personal attacks otherwise don't even bother. YOU don't know just as much as I DON'T know what really went on and we are bickering over unsubstantiated sensationalized news rhetoric so lets leave it at that :-)
At 10/6/12 05:19 AM, 24901miles wrote:At 10/6/12 04:39 AM, TheKlown wrote:Teaching is a highly specialized field, good luck convincing any competent Principal that she/he should ruin a teacher's life because that teacher had an emotional response to someone's political T-Shirt during campaign season. I believe the only reason a Principal would fire a teacher is overwhelming pressure from the community or broken guidelines. There's a real reason the teacher's name isn't printed on these press releases and news stories.At 10/6/12 04:13 AM, 24901miles wrote: The teacher doesn't need to be fired over this. Although she will lose her job if Romney wins this election, after he slashes the education budget.I hope she is the first one who loses her job then. Get rid of the idiots who don't deserve to be teachers, and leave the good teachers.
Both of my parents are teachers, and they have to go through strict background checks and testing, take new classes, and verify all sorts of information throughout the year. The pressure from the Government, the DOE, the Faculty, and their students is often overwhelming, and they have no energy left to do anything when they get home. I can absolutely sympathize with a teacher losing her cool during class when something like this happens, especially if the student in question is a troublemaker.
The best teachers that I have ever had were the ones that would loose their cool every now and again because at leased then you know they are human but you know what they were always justified and they always had a point they were making to "Teach" a real life lesson with real human emotion and consequence. It's ridiculous for a teacher to be reprimanded for teaching even if a little bit of god forbid "Emotion" was in the air. That kid should not have been wearing that shirt and her parents should be held accountable because you know for a fact they are the ones whom brainwashed there child into supporting a specific "Politician". Did the kid know her teacher did not support Romney before the incident ? Do we actually know the gravity of the situation ? Could this be some sick campaigning PR for Romney ? If I was a teacher and a kid walked into my classroom brandishing any controversial attire I would have gave the student a piece of my and sent her to the Principles office as well.
At 10/6/12 04:12 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Ok...just going to step round some of the cow flop here, and get back to the main issue:
This is appalling. Full disclosure? The Romney/Ryan ticket is not something I support in anyway, shape, or form. They are totally against my beliefs, and it makes me almost ill when I see people supporting it. That being said, that's MY reaction. That's MY hang up, and I need to deal with it. Either through statement of such like I just did, shutting up, or just the simple action I will take in not voting for them.
What it is NOT ok for me to do, is use any sort of position of trust or power I may hold (and I can't think of much of such a position I have outside of maybe this site) to bash, harass, or force others to conform to my views. What this teacher did is beyond shameful, inappropriate, unprofessional, and a gross violation of the trust placed in her. If even HALF of what has been alleged is true, then yes, she does need to be fired and never allowed back into a classroom. I can't see where in any way that shirt would violated any reasonable or sane school dress code, so there's absolutely no reason to say a word about it just because it gives the teacher some personal offense. Dismissal, absofuckinlutely.
WHat is painful is how quick and easy some people are to believe and eat up some propaganda from a mainstream news network on an issue that in reality may or may not have actually taken place and the actual underling circumstances that were involved again if any.
At 10/6/12 05:52 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: nah.. leanlifter1 seems more like a OWS supporter than anything with all the shit he is spewing.
You seem like a parrot repeating what the statuesque requires you to repeat. Your logic is so failed and non existence it hurts for you pop off with unfounded misinformation just with the intent to attempt to create an atmosphere to disfranchise and mitigate the gravity and seriousness of our collective reality. To you I recommend to pull your head out of the sand and give it a shake :-) If you want to actually develop an intelligent ideal explaining and refuting the many or some of the points I have made I encourage you to do so in dignified as it is welcome but all I have seen so far from you guy's is ad hominem attacks and pre approved catch words and phrases that have been made available to you through your propaganda news network including but not limited to CNN, and Fox etc ... to demonize and mitigate spreaders of the truth. Anytime a person or group brings some detrimental social, political or environmental consequence of this system to the forefront, pejorative distinctions are usually branded upon their forehead to stifle such concern and frighten other detractors - such as being called an "OWS hippie" or âEUoeSocialistâEU or âEUoeCommunistâEU etc ... "He's speaking to much truth oh must be one of them "OWS hippies" or a "Communist" or a "terrorist etc ..." LOL which is complete bollocks as I am just like you in more ways than not ;-) Just because of some large and non related movement does that really justify and render what is going on in various levels of Corporation, Government and Wall Street as a vehicle to the betterment of society as a whole ?
At 10/6/12 03:24 AM, Pride wrote:
The argument being made in this thread was that it is not the high-school teacher's place to be humiliating a student for expressing a different political viewpoint nor was it right for her to use hate to validate her opinion. Likening the KKK to the Republican Party is obviously an extremely offensive analogy and it should be relatively obvious that it is extremely inappropriate. If you believe contrary, then I am worried.
You just displayed extreme "StrawMan" tactics just like a true fascist rendering you post irrelevant in invalid. Obama and Romney both display textbook theistic fascist traits.
At 10/6/12 02:48 AM, Pride wrote:
You've not made the case for such an argument nor have you provided any relevant details to support such a claim. Don't be glib.
The idea that somehow people whose viewpoints "are contrary to your own" are somehow not worth engaging and should be ridiculed is quite misguided. This teacher was not being paid to promote political ideology, her duty was to teach students a high-school curriculum. Whether the student was wearing an Obama or Romney shirt, the teacher had no right to make fun of the student or assert that the student was a fool for her political beliefs. Regrettably, there are people out there like this and one of them even tried to harm a family member of mine recently because of something so trivial as a political bumper-sticker (a non-offensive one, I might add). Unfortunately it seems this election is stirring up a lot of pent up emotions in some people and a situation like this doesn't surprise me.
Read my post called "What is Fascism ?" in the thread "13 key signifiers of Fascism." More specifically to this instance read and watch the subsection "- Religion and ruling elite tied together at the hip" as this will explain in detail my exact position on the dangers that Romney presents to your freedoms that you still have or rather the ones that Bush and Obama have not taken away yet by way of directly violating and stripping your constitutional rights.
At 10/6/12 02:05 AM, BloodPact wrote:
And I suppose you would have handled it well if a teacher made fun of your beliefs? If she had been wearing an Obama shirt, she probably would have been praised by the teacher and maybe gotten an A on her report card too. If that teacher had done what he did to her if she was wearing an Obama shirt, ACLU would step in a he'd be labeled a racist, and probably blacklisted from ever teaching again. Yet it's okay to criticize the right and not expect backlash? Oh, that's right, the media will cover for him, no worries.
I would have used my Semantics and rhetoric to make the teacher look like a real fool only in this case if I was a student in that classroom I would have agreed with the Teacher and in fact I would have stepped in and took the heat for the teacher and ridiculed that student for being so retarded as to wear a dumb shirt with the picture or a archaic wrinkled old man with on it.
At 10/6/12 02:11 AM, Korriken wrote:
General Forum is that way
this is the grownups side of the pool.
Keep drinking the koolaid my friend.
At 10/6/12 02:20 AM, BloodPact wrote:At 10/4/12 06:11 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:Please listen to a audio clip of Rush Limbaugh and then an audio clip of Bill Maher, and after you compare the two, please try to present the evidence you're insinuating with this to show that this country does indeed have a controlled mass media.
5. A controlled mass media
And I'm not saying you have to be a fan of either one. But listen to their opinions and then you tell me that the media is all on the same page here.
The media will sell you on whatever is going to get them paid just like politician work's for the same interests MONEY. You have to consider that behind all the words and hype and brands and divisions left or right, packers vs 49ers etc there is only one common denominator and ruler and that is "the market" it's the one thing that controls it all and people worship it without question and without knowing just what it really is and how it actually works MONEY.
At 10/6/12 02:01 AM, BloodPact wrote:At 10/6/12 01:52 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:You must not have gotten the message that the moderator posted when he locked up your last thread, which this one is EXACTLY COPYING. And let me ask you what I asked in my last post in that thread: Have you ever been to a country where people aren't even allowed to vote? I suggest you take a trip, because the people in those countries are oppressed by tyrannical dictators and they escape the oppression for freedom. Hence why voting allows us to choose our freedom. That is the God given right bestowed upon us as citizens of the US.At 10/5/12 07:00 PM, CrazyKat wrote: ^This guy is kind of like the drug dealer at my school. He's not content to fuck himself up, has to fuck everyone else up in the process. The worse the decision the more intensely he clings to it. There is nothing anyone will ever be able to say that will change his mind.Why would I be interested in anything but the truth. DO you even know what the truth is ? You should be banned for displaying such a dumb post. It's not entirely your fault as you are a byproduct of a failing educational system which I might add is failing by design so that the next generations are to dumb to identify the problems but just smart enough to work redundant life sucking jobs, pay taxes and vote without asking to many questions.
If you don't like voting, why don't you leave this country, it would probably put less stress on you.
I have the freedom to not be a part of the problem therefore I choose not to vote and not to pay taxes as I am a free will sentient Human being not a byproduct of environmental conditioning and nationalistic fervor. This video sums up how nationalistic, theistic based textbook fascism will take your country away from you as it is not even currently operating under constitutional laws as it is and it will just get worse not better unless we wake up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-VIhFQPo8o
At 10/5/12 07:00 PM, CrazyKat wrote: ^This guy is kind of like the drug dealer at my school. He's not content to fuck himself up, has to fuck everyone else up in the process. The worse the decision the more intensely he clings to it. There is nothing anyone will ever be able to say that will change his mind.
Why would I be interested in anything but the truth. DO you even know what the truth is ? You should be banned for displaying such a dumb post. It's not entirely your fault as you are a byproduct of a failing educational system which I might add is failing by design so that the next generations are to dumb to identify the problems but just smart enough to work redundant life sucking jobs, pay taxes and vote without asking to many questions.
At 10/6/12 12:46 AM, TheKlown wrote: This teacher deserves to lose their job.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/teacher-ridicules-student-romn ey-t-155305823.html
Sick of this crap, we shouldn't let bad teacher harass students like this. [B]Teachers are suppose to be adults, so why don't they start acting like Adults? [/B]
Good for the Teacher as Romney is a dumb ass and even worse he is an extremely dangerous idiot with extremely Fascists beliefs. That teacher most likly understand allot more than you and that teacher had good reason to scold and inform that child about why Romney is a dangerous man to freedom as we know it.
At 10/5/12 10:41 PM, Warforger wrote:At 10/5/12 07:51 PM, Th-e wrote:At 10/5/12 07:32 PM, Warforger wrote:
He started the Iraq War.
What !!!!! Bush did not start the war on Iraq Bush started the War on Terrorism and the War on Afghanistan which transcended his regime and spilled over into Obamneys lap. Obamney then proceeded to LIE about his Campaigning cornerstone that "He will bring the troops home from Afghanistan and end the War on Terrorism". As wee all know that was bull shit propaganda to get his ass in power Obama then proceeded to send more and more troops to war then moved the war to Iraq. Obamney continued right were Bush left off as a war monger and profiteer and sadly most people it seems are to dumb to see it.
What is Fascism ? IMO expressed below is a comperhensive list outlying some consistent regularities shared between all Fasist regimes of past and present.
- Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism
Prominent displays of national flags and lapel pins. catchy slogans, pride in military, suspicion and hate of many things of foreign nature often bordering on Xenophobia.
- Disdain for importance of Human rights
The American fascist Regime view's are brought to accept these Crimes Against Humanity by way of marginalizing , demonizing, and persecuting those being targeted.When Crimes Against Humanity and other abuses are blatantly obvious, the tactics used is to engage in secrecy, denial, Propaganda and disinformation by way of big corporate owned centrally controlled Mass Media Cartels.
-Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause
Scapegoating as a means to divert the people's attention from other issues to shift blame for failures and to chanle frustration in contolled directions. Presently it's the Islamic Terrorist threat. Today, in America, a true patriot and freedom lover might actually be labeled "the terrorist"
- The supremacy of the military/ avid militarism
Fasict nations always identify with the Military Industrial Complex. A disproportionate share of national and monetary resources are allocated to the military, even when domestic basic needs are not being met and home are being foreclosed on in the home front etc ... Today, the US spends more on "Defense" and locking up Criminals on the homefront than all other countries combined.
- A controlled mass media
The result is success in keeping the general public in the dark of the Fascist regiems and illegal policy ratifications. Today, all "major" media happens to be spewing propaganda and misinformation including but not limited to such firms as CBS, ABC, FOX, CNN, NYTimes, Washington Post and many others such as radio stations, magazines, Cable TV, Internet and even Hollywood is untouched.
- Obsession with national security
Inevitably, a national security apparatus is under control of the ruling elite. It is an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints. It's actions are justified under the guise of enhancing "national security" and questioning it's activities is considered to be unpatriotic and even treasonous.
- Religion and ruling elite tied together at the hip
Unlike communist regimes, the fascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by their opponents. Most of the Fasict regimes attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country and times and choose to portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-fbcy1tRoA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-VIhFQPo8o
- Power of corporations protected
The ability of large corporations to operate (WITH IMPUNITY) in relative freedom will never be compromised or questioned by the people or authority.
- Power of labor suppressed or eliminated
As labour unions are busted so are there jobs being shipped overseas, and the lower and middle classes wages have dropped or been frozen significantly in recent years as the cost of living dramatically increases with the price of oil in short order.
- Obsession with crime and punishment
Many of these Fasict regimes maintain a archaic systems of criminal justic with huge prison populations "America" has the largest prison poulation in the world. The police are often glorify and had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse and coercion tactics.
- Rampant cronyism and corruption
Those in business circles and close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves at the cost of the many. This corruption worked both ways, the power elite would receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well for example, by stealing national resources like Oil from Canadian Oil tar sands project and heroin from the Middle East and the Arab owned Oil of course.
- Fraudulent elections
Common methods include maintaining control over the election machinery, intimidating and mitigating opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and as a last resort turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite. In the US both Democratic and Republican parties are owned by the same money. Americans are given a choice between two candidates in the hands of the elite.
- Denial and outright disdain of any or all of the above
Or could it be that Fascism is all a matter of personal opinion and is really not a big deal at all for reason being some countries and people are just naturally superior and more entitled to others in the world ? Let me know what your guy's opinions are in a civil, intelligent, unbiased manor :-)
At 10/5/12 01:21 PM, Light wrote:At 10/5/12 12:57 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:None of the evidence I cite or will cite is circumstantial. The U.S. doesn't fit the definition of a fascist state. It's just that simple.At 10/5/12 12:44 PM, Light wrote:The U.S., by definition, is not fascist. It's not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact.A fact with no circumstantial evidence is no fact at all.
It's like calling Sweden a communist state because it's a socialist state.
That's in your opinion that the US does not fit the typical Fasict profile. Many experts and people disagree with you including one Pulitzer prize winning writer and author of "American Fascists." Chris Hedges.
At 10/5/12 12:44 PM, Light wrote:
The U.S., by definition, is not fascist. It's not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact.
A fact with no circumstantial evidence is no fact at all.
At 10/5/12 11:50 AM, Camarohusky wrote: In a world of 100% voting and not apathy, MAYBE this would work. However, in our world of rampant apathy toward politics and voting, not voting appears to most as little more than a statistic of those who do not care.
Think of it like boycotting your bad boss by not going to work. Nobody but you is going to see it like that. Everyone else, (including the boss, your target person) will think you're just being lazy or apathetic.
Like my mother used to always tell me: "It's NOT about what you say. It's about what others think you mean." In this case when you are making a strong and valid point, all everyone else hears is that you just do not care.
Politicians are not problem solvers they create more problems when have they actually fixed them and made less ? Politicians have no means training, skills or knowledge of how to actually create solutions so perhaps that is why you find rising rampant apathy toward politics and civil unrest. Politicians work for Wall Street and the Banking Cartels so until they don't there is no need to be rewarding them for there bad behavior by way of voting.
At 10/5/12 09:19 AM, 24901miles wrote:At 10/5/12 05:56 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: Guess thats why he took more vacation time than any other President in History cause he was so occupied doing his job RIGHT ...Do you really think RightWingGamer has a concept of time and scheduling larger than the number of hours between meals? I really doubt it. He's evaluating Bush's presidency from an apologetic and emotional perspective.
Also if he don't have time to have a look into reality then he should give his head a shake for sure and definitely not be posting about stuff he knows absolutely nothing about more than the propaganda that CNN, and Fox feed him.
At 10/5/12 09:19 AM, 24901miles wrote:At 10/5/12 05:56 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: Guess thats why he took more vacation time than any other President in History cause he was so occupied doing his job RIGHT ...Do you really think RightWingGamer has a concept of time and scheduling larger than the number of hours between meals? I really doubt it. He's evaluating Bush's presidency from an apologetic and emotional perspective.
Making light of the travesty that was the Bush Admin should be a crime as morally it is a crime. He can shed a tear for a tyrant but I for one shed a tear for the innocent children and babies and family homes that are still being rendered collateral damage of the War Machine that is the US&A. GW Bush should be tried for "Crimes Against Humanity" and imprisoned for a time no less than the rest of his natural born life on this planet in an Iraqi or Afghani Prison as American Jail is to good for that piece of scum.
At 10/5/12 05:49 AM, RightWingGamer wrote: Bush wasn't really a great president, but he gave it his damndest. Hell, the man was dealt one of the worst hands in presidential history, and had to contend with the worst terrorist attack we've ever faced, two wars, a natural disaster, a plummeting economy, and conspiracy theories that arose every time he took a piss.
He dun good, considering all the shit he was up against.
Guess thats why he took more vacation time than any other President in History cause he was so occupied doing his job RIGHT ...
At 10/5/12 05:27 AM, TheCrimsonWidow wrote: I have to agree with you on everything you said, bush was a great man. Everyone I know shits on his reputation because everyone else is. Why did we give him a second term then? Just to see what he will do? And to be honest, I believe Obama is having the same problem Bush had, with all the hate for no reason and such.
Can't understand how there is so many unwitting fascists are on here makes me sick to my stomach.
At 10/5/12 05:23 AM, Halberd wrote: he who speaks well will lead well
obama articulated himself horribly and i think that is a reflection of his terrible ideas and intelligence.
romney on the other hand is a brilliant speeker and he fucking pwned the shit out of obama seriously. obama doesn't have any idea what he is doing.
He who speakes well will lead you into subservience and economic slavery SHEEP pull your head out of the sand and give your head a shake.
At 10/4/12 11:06 PM, DawnOfDusk wrote:At 10/4/12 07:40 PM, Iron-Hampster wrote: but most libertarians are just Atheist conservatives.I'm christian... and libertarian...
makes no damn sense to me.
What does Christianity have to do with anything. Ones chosen faith should be as private as ones underwear.
At 10/5/12 04:34 AM, Fierce-Deity wrote: So boycotting the vote protests the issues that you personally believe to be important? Uh.
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Bush is a war profiteering gangsta dictator with no business to be a head of a country not to mention Cheney and Halliburton and Obamney Saddam Hussein is no better they are all business as usual puppets in a larger plan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwIr_dsuyCs&list=UUEHsSWvrGVS IA63OV3J6vhA&index=6&feature=plcp
What do you guy's think ? I think to boycott voting is a sure fire way to get the message across to government that we the people will not put up with crap such as but not limited to war profiteering, lobbying, fiat currency, debt based currency, private owned federal reserve banking cartel, Wall Street and crony capitalism.
