2,229 Forum Posts by "leanlifter1"
At 11/30/12 04:58 PM, LemonCrush wrote:At 11/30/12 04:54 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:Strap guns on a plane and the guns kill people not the plane.Exactly
Then why the fuck are you trying to play with words and just make this into an asinine mess.
Airplanes are not made for killing.
True
Nor are guns.
False all guns are designed and engineered to kill unless it is a practice target shooting gun but an AK47 and the like is most definitely engineered for killing living beings.
As I said, I've used guns. Never on a person.
Same can be said for training Guns in a Military installation and it still does not mitigate the purpose of any gun training dummy targets or otherwise guns are made to kill living beings.
In fact, my 2 best friends work at a gun store. No one working there has used guns on a person.
Same as above this does not change or mitigate the nature and purpose of a gun and this just outlines the jaded sociopathy of the majority of people in America.
As you said, planes are not engineered to kill, but have the potential for killing. Same EXACT thing with a gun.
That's what you said not me as I said "planes are not engendered to kill people" which is absolutely not up for debate. If you put poison in broccoli that does not make food poison as the poison is poison and the food is broccoli.
At 11/30/12 05:05 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: My guess is that tax hikes are always going to be more noticeable than tax cuts, especially if people end up taking whatever monetary gains they get from the taxes and end up losing it on other things, like gasoline and health care.
Ya it's called inflation.
At 11/30/12 03:56 PM, theburningliberal wrote:
Not really. And see my last post in this thread, it contains some helpful hints for trolls like you. Now go away and let the adults talk.
You do not really understand how debt based monetary econ works. Everything in econ is based on inflation and deflation when in inflation like we are now all that happening is the illusion that things are ok when they are not as the value of the dollar is further being debased as the national and public debt continues to disproportionately rise at to aggressive a rate. During deflation people will starve, peoples careers and jobs will be lost along with their homes as they try to understand why/how the country went to shit because they are ignorant to the fact of how inflation and a debt based fiat currency will rot a country from the inside out.
At 11/30/12 04:50 PM, LemonCrush wrote:At 11/30/12 04:47 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:Obviously the airplane and automobile are not as you tried to erroneously state "Engineered for killing people".They can be. Or they can not be. Same with a gun. I use guns. My friends have guns. None of use has ever killed anyone.
Are you sure airplanes can't be engineered to kill people??
That why in post #15 to you I wrote "Cars and airplanes are not engineered to kill people that is the difference until the government/Military puts guns on cars and airplanes and than it's called genocide" An airplane is not engineered to kill but guns are see the difference. Strap guns on a plane and the guns kill people not the plane.
At 11/30/12 12:49 PM, Revo357912 wrote:At 11/30/12 08:32 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:At 11/30/12 07:59 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:well no shit we do but its mostly idiots or criminals on the coasts. Japan doesn't need guns because its been knocked into them for 4 generations. but US firearm violence and violence has gone down in general in the last 8 years. and its a known fact in the US places with little gun control have less firearm violence (Midwest Some parts of the south) and places with gun control (Cali, Chicago, East Coast) have it higher.I have a gun.
I also live in Texas.
I can tell you gun related deaths are still pretty high here, at least higher than what they could be.
This is the post on where you messed up and put my words in with some "Tony-DarkGrave" ! please make sure you qute things proper before you hit post.
At 11/30/12 01:41 PM, LemonCrush wrote:At 11/30/12 01:18 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: It's kinda hard to fly when your dead so .....Kinda hard to drive, or shoot when you're dead as well...what is your point?
Obviously the airplane and automobile are not as you tried to erroneously state "Engineered for killing people".
At 11/30/12 01:14 PM, LemonCrush wrote:
Airplanes most certainly have been engineered to kill people.
It's kinda hard to fly when your dead so .....
At 11/30/12 01:07 PM, Feoric wrote: We really don't need 2 gun control threads. 1 is bad enough.
1st thread is full of flag waving, gun toting, nationalistic, fascists, so yes there is a need for a second thread to outline the fact that there is in fact a yin to the yang.
At 11/30/12 01:00 PM, LemonCrush wrote: I never understood anti-gun people.
Guns are bad, because they potentially kill people. But cars and airplanes are okay? Someone please explain this to me.
Cars and airplanes are not engineered to kill people that is the difference until the government/Military puts guns on cars and airplanes and than it's called genocide and the American people are ok with that so long as it is not them that the gun is pointed toward and they get to maintain thy cheese burgers, debt based fiat/economic enslavement, ignorance and guns etc ...
At 11/30/12 08:32 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:
I have a gun.
I also live in Texas.
I can tell you gun related deaths are still pretty high here, at least higher than what they could be.
Don't put my name in place of some nonsensical fascist, nationalistic, sociopath whom is living in a dream world.
At 11/30/12 11:44 AM, theburningliberal wrote:At 11/23/12 10:37 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:Also US is a Republic just like China.Vast difference in US system of government and the Chinese system of government. The US system is based on democratic ideals (even if we aren't so much the supporters of direct democracy, the ideals embedded in direct democracy still exist in American governance). The chinese government has for a long time been a totalitarian communist regime, but with recent trade zone expansions and the rise of some capitalist principles, it is now more fascist than communist, and certainly not the same kind of republic/representative democracy that we have in the US. Get your political systems straight.
Republic overrules any sort of choice by the way of the popular majority of the collective populous inherent to a so called democracy as in a Republic you choose what amounts to a dictator of sorts to voice you opinion for you for a set amount of time typically 4 years term.
At 11/30/12 11:20 AM, JMHX wrote:
The relevance is that both our annual operating deficit and our long-term debt is growing, and as the amount of money we collect in taxes declines, we're less and less able to pay off our obligations. Even as the economy grows and individuals make more money, the declining percentage of tax receipts by the government strains our ability to pay down deficits while still providing a consistent level of service.
It's called inflation and there is absolutely no way to stop it unless you absolutely get rid of fiat/debt based currency all together.
At 6/14/07 10:16 AM, Stridestrikes wrote:At 6/13/07 04:05 PM, altanese-mistress wrote: To put it simply: We Americans loves our guns. LOVES our guns! The whole defense for having the second amendment is to be ready to topple the government if it ever became tyranical, and damnit we're more than willing to give up free speech, free press, public trial, etc. to have them.GOOD ON YA MATE CHEERS THATS WHAT IM TALKIN ABOUT
The stupid part is that you guy's don't even see the ironic illegitimacy here it is quite funny really.
At 11/30/12 10:45 AM, JMHX wrote:At 11/30/12 10:36 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: Whats the point when money has been turned into fiat and not actual wealth like it is supposed to be. In essence paying taxes is just paying back money to the people that gave it to you which so happens to be the same people that created debt.I had the sneaking suspicion you'd be both the first commenter and the first one to try and derail this from a thread about tax policy over the decades. I'd kindly ask other commenters to pass right over Leanlifter and focus on the actual points raised in the article and the post.
Why make a big stink about taxation when it is illegitimate to begin with is all I am saying. If you can prove that fiat currency and taxation is legitimate then you have something here but until then we need to highlight the fundamental illegitimacy of the monetary system and taxation rater than just complain about the incidental fallacy's of the monetary and taxation system in question.
Whats the point when money has been turned into fiat and not actual wealth like it is supposed to be. In essence paying taxes is just paying back money to the people that gave it to you which so happens to be the same people that created debt.
At 11/30/12 09:02 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:
bullshit you say? HA you know nothing about american politics. the Midwest have the loosest gun laws in america compared to California/LA, Chicago, East Coast/NYC and the population density may be a 2:1 but my point stands, plus the population of lega..
The facts and statistics are not on your side is all I am saying.
At 11/30/12 08:32 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:
its a known fact in the US places with little gun control have less firearm violence (Midwest Some parts of the south) and places with gun control (Cali, Chicago, East Coast) have it higher.
That's a bullshit copout and you now it because places like California/LA, Chicago, East Coast/NYC have some of the highest population in North America whereas the "Midwest Some parts of the south" are mostly full of small towns, Villages and small cities. Higher crime rate and homicides in high(er) density population areas are systemic of the respective indoctrinated socioeconomic mindset inherent to that respective geographic area and easy access to guns will just make it easier to kill in these areas further driving up crime and homicide rate.
At 11/30/12 08:27 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:
plus loosing up a few more laws for the general public.
That will indeed bump up the gun related homicide rate for sure and being it's already at the highest perhaps it;s time to take another look at restricting firearms. I suggest that all bullets sold have the register owners firearm license number machined into each bullet and shell casing. I am not against shooting guns at an official of non official designated firearms shooting range for fun so long as it is not run by a bunch of assclowns. Myself I rather hunt food with a Bow as I can target practice online in BFBC2 anytime I want.
At 11/30/12 07:44 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:
no we don't because: one its against the rules unless it gets locked, Two we have completely debunked that gun control actually works hell since GW Bush got elected and gun rights got wider gun violence has gone done and now committed higher in certain areas and in extreme cases isolated incidents. the rest of your statement on sociopaths and fascists is completely moronic.
You have proved nothing at all that loose fun regulation is a good thing. The facts still state that the US has the highest gun related homicide in the world and Japan has the toughest gun control in the world and the lowest gun related homicide. Funny how that works make guns hard to get and gun related homicide goes down.
At 11/30/12 07:47 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: good news, new firearm laws increasing gun lobby efforts will come into legislation for 2013!
Wow so you are proud to increase the US already largest murder rate in the world ?
At 11/30/12 01:47 AM, Gustavos wrote:
Moreover, we have an entire thread to discuss gun control. Check it out while yours is deleted.
We need another thread that is not filled with gun toting, flag waving, nationalists and fascists and boarder line sociopaths.
At 11/30/12 07:07 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: we have a gun control thread. and FYI Gun Control doesn't work.
That stats irrefutably prove you wrong.
"587 Americans were killed just by guns that had discharged accidentally."
In 2008, the U.S. had over 12 thousand firearm-related homicides. All of Japan experienced only 11
At 11/28/12 11:26 AM, Jmayer20 wrote:At 11/28/12 04:20 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: The funny thing is that you naysayers never have any solid proof against things that go against your personal ideal norm will just end in terrible travesty. One thing is for certain in that the current monetary system will end the USA and that is a mathematical fact and you can just consider the combined public and national debt if you need a wake up call to reality.Funny how you say that leanlifer1 considering that you never give any solid proof to anything that you say. In fact you just said that "current monetary system will end the USA" but you did not provide any solid proof of this. Now you probably wont provide any proof. Knowing you, you'll just say LOL, your stupid, and your a fascist. Because you just expect us to just mindlessly follow every word you say and never question you.
I suggest to consider the public and national debt as reason enough to suggest that the US is finished. Warren Buffet said that you should tax the rich people @ 30% so lets say we did that which would amount to just over 3 Billion dollars a year and that would take over 514 years just to pay off Obamas 2012 deficit. As I say mathematically it's all over and the sooner you guy's understand this the better off we all will be.
At 11/28/12 12:23 AM, Jmayer20 wrote:
Politically, the communist idea of a stateless society has the same problems as any form of anarchy, which I also do not advocate.That's pretty much the point I was trying to get across. Thank you for telling me your point of view on this. Well we both made it clear what we think about Communism but what do you think about Socialism?
The funny thing is that you naysayers never have any solid proof against things that go against your personal ideal norm will just end in terrible travesty. One thing is for certain in that the current monetary system will end the USA and that is a mathematical fact and you can just consider the combined public and national debt if you need a wake up call to reality.
At 11/27/12 01:24 PM, Jmayer20 wrote:At 11/27/12 12:22 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:Monkey see monkey do applies to copying what someone else does. In this case the baby just wants the ball. Usually the baby will just hold on to the ball for a little while then discard it like they don't care about it any more. If you take the ball again they will care about it again.
That's because infants learn by example "monkey see monkey do" this has nothing to do with greed and everything to do with how you raise your child.
That's completely up for debate and I would even go as far as to saying a matter of opinion and as well circumstantial.
At 11/27/12 11:02 AM, Jmayer20 wrote:
Also you can see it in even baby's. Lets say a baby has a ball. Then baby shows no interest in it. Then you take the ball and start playing with it. Suddenly the baby wants the ball even though it did not care about it before. Its just human nature and you are not going to change that by getting ride of a few products from the market.
That's because infants learn by example "monkey see monkey do" this has nothing to do with greed and everything to do with how you raise your child.
At 11/26/12 10:32 PM, Jmayer20 wrote: Most human beings are greedy by nature.
Without the manufacturing of greed Americanism would fall. There comes a point when the material possessions you own start to become a real bane.
At 11/26/12 10:32 PM, Jmayer20 wrote: The reason Communism will never work is because it defy's human nature. Most human beings are greedy by nature.
For Communism to work no one could be greedy, every ones ambitions could not be great, every one would have to think in terms of lets share and share a like, every one would have to act like the smurfs and sing la la la la, and every one would have to think in terms of I will work as hard as I can all for the good of ever one else. Regardless of the fact that I receive the exact same as everybody else. Even if I work harder and accomplish more.
Can you honestly say that every single person you've meet is like that? Hell can you say that most people you've meet are like that? If your answer is yes then you are a liar.
That's the same old flawed cop out logic dar "humans are greedy" there fore equality will never work LOL. Well when you consider that greed is not an inherent faculty of any human being it is a learned behavior and you can unlearn bullshit. Also good thing the vehicle that is your human body is not greedy otherwise you would be in a world of hurt on the contrary the healthy Human body is the pinnacle of how a harmonious balance works.
At 11/26/12 05:51 PM, LemonCrush wrote:
Yeah. I'm sure the Chinese, people who grew up in the USSR, N. Koreans, and Cubans would love to hear you espouse the greatness of communism.
True Communism has no Government as well there has never been real Communism in history ever it has always been a corrupted form of Quasi something or other under the guise of Communism.
At 11/26/12 04:07 PM, LemonCrush wrote:
It is their CHOICE to work for him! They know the pay sucks, they know the job sucks. They CHOOSE to do it, 100% by their own free will.
It's one shit job or the next they are all the same and many of those people have no other choice but to work a shit job because of intellect, skill or rather lack of skill, mental and or physical retardation's etc.
Just as his consumers made a CHOICE to buy his pizza, which he has turned into wealth.
No papa johns employes created the value that in turn created un proportionate wealth for the few not the many. The employees own the value collectively not papa john and to think he does is tantamount to modern slavery.
This is the problem with you communists. You have no concept or understanding of the human mind's desire to choose for themselves.
Pure Communism would enable more freedoms and choice for the many not more choice and freedoms for the few as in today's society you are only as free as your bank account allows you to be. It is only the very very few ultra rich that stand to loose in a true Communist society and world and the one thing they would have to forgo is greed. In a true Communist society you and I "The People" would enjoy so much more freedoms and tangible wealth than would otherwise ever be mathematically possible in today's realm of illegitimate monetary based economics. When the Pure Communist Euphoria is attained this planet will become a beacon of enlightenment and joy beyond our wildest dreams.
