2,229 Forum Posts by "leanlifter1"
At 12/1/12 06:43 PM, morefngdbs wrote:At 12/1/12 05:54 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Actually if you read my post I caught onto when you were trying to bait me if you didn't notice. I did however not write anything in "THe BRICS Nations forming a co-op" paragraph that was all you.I believe the BRICS nations trade agreements were something I wrote in one of the other threads.
http://www.caseyresearch.com/articles/so-long-us-dollar
But the only way you wouldn't have heard about it, is if all you use for a news service is American Mainstream services !
I don't pay attention to any news that involves frivolous politics, consumerism/materialism and bullshit finance and econ. I do however subscribe to various Philosophers and Intellectuals including but not limited to the likes of Stefan Molyneux, Storm Clouds Gathering, Jacque Fresco, Peter Joseph, and even LondonReal and Joe Rogan Podcast.
That article "So Long, US Dollar" was a good read thanx for the link.
At 12/1/12 04:52 PM, JMHX wrote:At 12/1/12 03:56 PM, theburningliberal wrote:It's a collection of every quote I can find of Leanlifter. No wonder he's busy agreeing with himself above.At 12/1/12 01:56 PM, JMHX wrote: A lot of stuff sounding exactly like leanlifter1Either you are baiting him or that isn't you, it just doesn't sound like you. =/
Actually if you read my post I caught onto when you were trying to bait me if you didn't notice. I did however not write anything in "THe BRICS Nations forming a co-op" paragraph that was all you.
At 12/1/12 02:29 PM, Revo357912 wrote: On that note, MSNBC is biased too, but at least they tone it down and have more rationality. (Of course, there's that one guy in their show who is clearly more on the extreme side of things, but many things in life have that one guy)
It's not a question of left or right biased as what matters is which ideals are closest to morally correct.
At 12/1/12 03:23 PM, SenatorJohnDean wrote:
Typical fallacy of the completely misinformed friggin arrogant prick society President above me that he mistakes a joke for a political viewpoint
Ah but did he pass the onus of his "lunch bill" onto the American people ?
At 12/1/12 03:21 PM, science-is-fun wrote:- What is your general view on social policy?educate to the standard needed for a voter not to vote in a tyranny, eliminate poverty but no luxuries
Great man that's good to hear :-) Just out of curiosity what would you define as "Luxuries" ?
At 12/1/12 02:55 PM, Elfer wrote:
Collaborating on a global energy strategy would obviously be better for humanity as a whole, but that's not a stable system, because individual parties to the agreement have an incentive to defect for their own interests.
This is why Government and monetary economics needs to be outlawed and seen for what it is an archaic system of mass manipulation of the many by the few for the purpose of greedy and ego. I think if we oust this oligarchy cock suckers, leeches and parasites that everyone on this planet can live a decent life relatively speaking of course and have there basic needs met at a minimum.
At 7/15/12 05:55 AM, Feoric wrote:
the federal government of the united states is the sovereign issuer of a fiat currency.
Correct.Will add to that Debased worthless Fiat currency to boot.
they can literally never default on any obligations they have denominated in us dollars.
Perhaps but what happens when other countries start to cut off the US ?
we can literally stop 'increasing the debt' by voting not to
LOL not under a Republic as you choose Obama to make that call for you. You gave up the right to have a voice when you voted in your Republic.
and still continue with business as usual by simply making deposits into bank accounts.
Actually the only way to stop inflation is if everyone pulled out there money from there bank accounts and investments etc. This would be seen as a public awakening and a peaceful resistance to the oppressive oligarchy.
the reason why this is a bad idea is that us government debt is not a liability: it's an asset to millions of people in the form of pensions and treasury investments.
Might be true for the baby boomers but what about the rest ?
apparently it's a very popular one, too, since people have been buying bonds with interest rates at an all time low for the last 3 years.
People are also very stupid as they are basing there security on fiat and governmental IOUs not mathematically sound guarantees.
At 12/1/12 02:41 PM, Feoric wrote:At 12/1/12 02:36 PM, JMHX wrote: We call those Treasury Bonds, and they're amazing.@Iron-Hampster: I've gone more indepth about this here and the post directly below it.
We will see how on point you are profligate !
At 12/1/12 02:36 PM, JMHX wrote:At 12/1/12 02:34 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: You mean the IOUs the government writes up to "The Fed" with the onus essentially being placed onto the tax paying, voting, working public ?We call those Treasury Bonds, and they're amazing.
They are as good as an IOU written on a napkin only on fancy paper. Also they are as good as economic enslavement of the masses but hey give a guy an iphone5, Car, roof over head, Cheeseburger and steak once and a while, a vacation, etc... and the illusion of freedom that all that entails and he will turn into a fairly highly productive slave for 30 to 40+ years.
At 12/1/12 02:27 PM, Feoric wrote:At 12/1/12 02:26 PM, Iron-Hampster wrote: I hope that's just some form of sarcasm.No. It's not. It's literally how the federal government handles finances.
You mean the IOUs the government writes up to "The Fed" with the onus essentially being placed onto the tax paying, voting, working public ?
At 12/1/12 02:21 PM, science-is-fun wrote: Gold is no longer a good investment, it crashed in September 2011 and has been stagnant and erratic ever since. You can only make money from it if you happen to be an expert investor and can predict whether the next dip is a trough or a slope.
So in other words if your not in tight with "the old boys network" then you are hooped.
You are better off looking for other investments, or investing in water filtration equipment, a wood gas generator or whatever if you're a conspiracy theorist.
I would not call investing into self sufficiency away from institution a bad thing by any stretch and I would defiantly not call it a conspiracy theory I would say it is just a smart plan of action.
At 12/1/12 01:56 PM, JMHX wrote: 28 years ago a Zim dollar traded on par with the british pound ! Hyperinflation did the rest.
I bought a pound today, paid over 4.25 cents for it, bought eggs as well cost 3.96 for a dozen, both over 10 times the cost.
Look at todays car cost $ over 26,000 dollars look at the median home cost todayhttp://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/18/study-average-car-co sts-22-1-weeks-of-median-family-income-ave/
inflation is still going strong the dollar is weakening.
Exactly as worker value and productivity is not increasing, while wages are frozen and more hrs are worked and the cost of living is on the rise the people are getting pumped up the ass by big Corporation colluded Government. Of course the flip side to this is to just rise workers wages to combat the higher cost of living however this is a vicious cycle as worker value, training and productivity did not increase to warrant a pay increase creating large scale economic imbalance and further debasing of currency along with postponed and inevitable debt that will ultimately end in economic depression.
The US federal reserve note is only still where it is because its the petro dollar.
Very true !
THe BRICS Nations forming a co-op where they trade without converting to US dollars, China & Austrailia's 40 billion dollar dollar/yuan trade swap where goods are traded between them in their currencies no US dollar involved, China, India, & others buying oil from Iran for gold, weapons, commodities . Writings on the wall if you take your dark glasses off & choose to look . Denial won't change any of this.
I am not doubting what you are stating is true and a brutal reality. The question I would like to entertain is what is hypothetically going to happen to the US if and when they get completely ousted from the global economic structure and how will it affect the rest of the world ?
Whats the point when money has been turned into fiat and not actual wealth like it is supposed to be. In essence paying taxes is just paying back money to the people that gave it to you which so happens to be the same people that created debt.
I am being baited here LOL ?....
At 12/1/12 01:26 PM, Korriken wrote:
1. can we all agree to simply never reply to leanlifter? ever? He might go away if we simply NEVER respond to him.
Cause that will make the Fed dissolve and bring back the power and freedoms to the people.
At 12/1/12 12:41 PM, theburningliberal wrote:At 12/1/12 11:46 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:Debt based fiat currency and fractional reserve lending is how the american government controls/governs and herds in it's sheep.
Do you not understand the concept of free market economics?
The "Free Market" model of Economics is a haphazard, unscientific anarchy of organization which assumes that any person or group with enough money and hence power will be âEUoeresponsibleâEU in their actions both socially and environmentally. The problem is that the very definition of being "financially responsibleâEU actually means to be socially and environmentally exploitative, manipulative and negligent for the main driver of this system is Inefficiency. The more problems in society in general, the more jobs are created and the more rich the upper 1% become. There is an empirical decoupling from what actually supports life and no alteration of the core configuration of the monetary market Incentive will likely change that.
At 12/1/12 12:16 PM, Feoric wrote:At 12/1/12 11:53 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: Cause the OP/thread is akin to debating on what color to paint a sinking ship !I swear you have 900 posts and all of them say the same thing, all the time.
The problems in society have not changed for years let alone the short time I have been hear.
At 12/1/12 11:40 AM, Korriken wrote:At 11/26/12 05:44 PM, Profanity wrote: Students in Louisiana.pfft. that's the weakest argument yet, not to mention insanely elitist. go fuck yourself. Where I was raised has no bearing on my intelligence, which you cannot judge because you do not know me. Also, my faith has no bearing on my intelligence. if all you have is insults and mockery, then you belong in general forum along with Poxpower.
Yet another example of American Public Education.
Actually geographic location "where you grew up" has much to do with the level of intelligence and what kind and quality of intelligence in what discipline you will ultimately developed touché for the company you keep.
At 12/1/12 11:47 AM, Ravariel wrote: Hey, why don't you all go make a thread in which you can complain about the Fed, fiat currency, and all the eeeeeeeevils of government, and let the rest of us discuss the actual matter posted originally in the OP. This is getting ridiculous.
Cause the OP/thread is akin to debating on what color to paint a sinking ship !
At 12/1/12 11:45 AM, Camarohusky wrote:At 11/30/12 11:17 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: At this point the paralysis of private investment makes me skeptical of this. It seems that now the only thing investors do with their money is lend it back to the federal government.Because government bonds are considered safe, but still have a high enough interest rate to encourage investment.
When the economy stablizes the rate on government bonds will go back to being much lower than other relatively safe options and people will begin to invest elsewhere again.
LOL at an IOU promissory note ROFLMAO at people that trust in corrupted Government owned by the like of the Rockefellers.
At 12/1/12 10:58 AM, theburningliberal wrote:
Okay, so wait, in one post you argue that debt (which is the opposite of profit) is how the US government operates Yet here you argue that the main driving force in American governance is the profit motive... Which is it?
Debt based fiat currency and fractional reserve lending is how the american government controls/governs and herds in it's sheep. Real profit/wealth comes in the form of subjugation of the working "Production" class, "Capital" assets, PMs, and control of natural resource reserves and these are the things your rotten to the core government are after not worthless fiat currency they can print off at will.
Second, if the driving force is the profit motive, I want to know where my dividends are for paying taxes every year. I want my freakin investment income!
I command an invoice from my Government outlining what I am being charged for when they demand payment for no official reason in the form of a tax levy. At leased if I had some sort of an invoice showing me where my hard eared dollars went to then I could at leased say that the money I worked for went to this or that. The sad truth is that all tax dollars go back to paying off the governmental deficit which mathematically can never be paid off.
At 12/1/12 10:39 AM, theburningliberal wrote:At 12/1/12 08:58 AM, morefngdbs wrote:Basically you are arguing that the system of government here in the US is an illusory promise of a democratic system, am I right?An illusion is still an illusion even if you don't realize it .
US is not a democracy it is a Peoples Republic.
When your system consists of an elected body bought & paid for by the controllers big business/Cartel (aka those in power) , that doesn't differ much from the Chinese system where those in power, pick & choose their successors !
True
Once American citizens are summarily executed by the US Army in the streets of New York or Chicago, then you can make that argument. Until then, don't.
WTF ! do you see China's people executed in the streets NO ! The US Army does that shit every fucking day though.
You do realize it is the people within the system who give the people in government their power, right? Kinda hard to hate the people whose votes you need to win re-election, either for yourself or for your party.Never forget that any serving government HATES anyone within the system ,
You seem to be under the illusion that the government is your friend
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who attempts to operate like they do ....
Other governments. There is more than just an american government you know LOL ! There are other countries on this Planet you know. Hello McFly !
What institutions are you saying try to act like the government does?
What you never heard of the term collusion ?
As the largest criminal organization in the country,If you are talking about the fact that the government collects payroll and income taxes, never forget that we, as a nation, consented to that.
You consent to the Tax levy because you have no other choice but incarceration !
The fact that YOU don't like it is irrelevant until you can convince enough people to vote out the parties in power and replace them with people who agree with you.
Still does not mean that illegitimate governmental polices and practices are morally justified despite yours and many others apathy toward positive change and freedom from oppressive subjugation and economic enslavement.
they hate the thought of competition !Again, what competition?
People that have a brain and question the illegitimate government and lying politicians that the sheep unwittingly voted into power for their own subjugation and enslavement.
The bottom line in both US and Chinese government is profit which makes them one and the same the incidental names, labels and political ideologies dammed.
At 12/1/12 10:22 AM, theburningliberal wrote:At 12/1/12 05:25 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:
It's to bad you guy's are obliviousHaha, once again, I stopped reading here.
oblivious... to debt based fiat currency
At 12/1/12 09:01 AM, morefngdbs wrote:
IS that you do not print yer own money ! You allow a privately owned & controled for profit company to print your money, loan it to you at interest THat's the scam dud....that's the why your own government cannot actually be in control, someone outside your government controls your money supply !
Not to mention "Fractional Reserve Lending"
At 12/1/12 08:59 AM, poxpower wrote:At 11/30/12 09:04 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: You believe what you believe and I will believe what I want to.The motto of defeated idiots haha.
No that's part of the foundation of freedom idiot. The only people that are defeated are the ones that drink the "koolaid". When on the "Koolaid" one would be lead to believe that there is absolutely nothing wrong with a private owned debt based fiat currency and fractional reserve lending they will even try and defend it.
At 12/1/12 08:38 AM, morefngdbs wrote:
An illusion is still an illusion even if you don't realize it .
When your system consists of an elected body bought & paid for by the controllers big business/Cartel (aka those in power) , that doesn't differ much from the Chinese system where those in power, pick & choose their successors !Get your political systems straight.
Never forget that any serving government HATES anyone within the system , who attempts to operate like they do .... As the largest criminal organization in the country, they hate the thought of competition !
I agree though the bottom line in both US and Chinese government is profit which makes them one and the same the incidental names, labels and political ideologies dammed.
At 12/1/12 01:26 AM, Jmayer20 wrote: To theburningliberal
I must say it is refreshing to listen to some one who does there research.
It's to bad you guy's are oblivious to debt based fiat currency otherwise your tone might change. Also don't bother doing to much research into a system akin to a sinking ship.
At 11/30/12 11:26 PM, thegarbear14 wrote: leanlifter i have watched you argue the intent behind firearms and go through all this bullshit.
Whats your point ? My standing is that firearms are designed for killing living entities but some people think they were built for there own personal amusement and collection.
You're really just a troll if you're going to change your arguement from intent to lethality.
So because I believe that guns are designed to Kill that makes me a troll ? It does not matter what ones intent is when they shoot a gun as the intended purpose of guns is to kill people and animals and practice makes perfect right.
Not that i didn't think you're a troll in the first place.
Seems like a personal issue which has no weight in proving guns are not designed for killing.
But my opinions are going to be bullshit anyway since soon you'll reveal to the world how i am a facist or some bs.
More personal BS.
At 11/30/12 10:37 PM, thegarbear14 wrote:At 11/30/12 09:12 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:ak-47 this ak-47 that ak-47 do the thing.At 11/30/12 09:03 PM, RacistBassist wrote:Original design and intents change over time.That doesn't change that fact of reality that Guns are designed and engineered with the purpose of efficiently killing living biological entities. You can play with words all you want but guns are not toys they are designed to kill point blank and period that was the intended purpose and reason that the engineers that design guns had in mind unless it is one of them triathlon type sport guns but AK47 etc.. is a killing machine.
blah blah ak-47 killing machine.
ak's changed to semi auto and intended for sporting...
Oh so going from full auto to semi renders the gun non lethal got it LOL.
the intent has been changed on those models. When they build ak's and they don't build them as military hardware but as hunting rifles and target shooting rifles how are they still made for war as you are basically saying.
What are you talking about ? AK47 is an Fully Automatic Assault Rifle employed by various Militarily's and murders around the world. Thats not to say that there are not some Gun nuts out there that like to collect and brandish the AK47 and shoot it at the shooting range.
Wouldn't removing the main idea of modern military small arms (full auto fire) remove the idea that it is meant to be for killing people? Kalashnikovs made with the idea to be in war and kill/maim others are made to be full auto. The ones here in the u.s. aren't made as full auto.
Semi auto is more accurate and save ammo. Where you under the impression that Semi Auto was any less lethal LOL.
At 11/30/12 10:39 PM, Feoric wrote:At 11/30/12 05:07 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: You do not really understand how debt based monetary econ works.So many people, including myself, have gone to great lengths to explain things to you, and you just don't take any of it in. You just continue posting the same exact stuff. It's amazing.
You fail to see that attempting to explain how a broken system works is redundant. I suppose you are among the many that uphold the monetary system and are under the delusion that it is infallible. Did you know that every dollar put into circulation has a debt attached to it ? Do you know who pays that synthetic debt ? If you know the answer to these two questions then you understand why and how the whole monetary system is a scam. I don't particularly agree with Ron Paul but one thing he got right was that the Fed must be stopped.
At 11/30/12 10:06 PM, Feoric wrote:At 11/30/12 09:51 PM, Iron-Hampster wrote: one side will cave. This is really a decision of forcing Americans to pay off the credit card that the government is maxing out against their will, and putting even more money on the credit card first. lose lose.We don't have a credit card. We can print our own money.
You can't print money but your profligate's and slave masters do and here in lye the problem.
At 11/30/12 09:35 PM, Elfer wrote:At 11/22/12 09:09 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:I'm saying that it's the system that's in place and it's currently a stable equilibrium.At 11/22/12 09:05 PM, Elfer wrote:There are US military deployments all over the world to ensure US energy securitye them?Yet you have no idea how Fascist statement sounds ?
Stealing resources by way of the gun is not even close to stable or equal by any stretch. Do you know that it takes much more Oil to sustain a war than if they just stopped stealing Oil and instead become a part of the global interdependent economy. There's no I in team but there's a U in Cunt.
US energy independence has uncertain implications in terms of international military/political dynamics.
