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At 1/11/13 11:36 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 1/11/13 10:48 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 1/10/13 09:38 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: and they say guns only cause violence, it prevents it to!

You don't know the particulars of the situation. She could have left the doors unlocked etc which means it's her fault for putting her children at risk and traumatizing them.

Right, because an intruder is going to be deterred by locked doors.

"Ah, damn, it's locked. Oh, well, I'll just be on my way, then."

And if you took the time to read that incredibly short quasi-article, you'd have noticed the part that says "forced his way in". If he merely turned the handle and opened an unlocked door, I don't think it would have said that.

I had a problem with the area I lived so I moved from a big city to a small one. Stop being a douche. Also there are high quality doors you can buy if you live in a high risk area so the onus is on the person to use proactive measures. Guns are not the answer.

At 1/11/13 12:15 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

China is lying through their crumbling teeth.

America is dieing through there teeth byproduct of to much greed and arrogance.

At 1/10/13 09:38 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: and they say guns only cause violence, it prevents it to!

You don't know the particulars of the situation. She could have left the doors unlocked etc which means it's her fault for putting her children at risk and traumatizing them.

At 1/10/13 06:14 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

At 1/10/13 06:07 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: AHHHH

THE PRODIGAL SON RETURNS!

Stop adjusting what you quote of my post please !

All WMDs including but not limited to bombs, Guns, Tanks, Helicopters, planes, ships, subs, etc etc etc should all be removed from each person, machine, city, country, continent and world as there are far better and more efficient, intelligent and humane methods of oppressing and correcting would be shit disturbers.

At 1/8/13 06:56 PM, SenatorJohnDean wrote: I have nothing in common with the trailer trash that usually upholds the viewpoint of the NRA. However, I can agree with their paranoia about the government.

Stopped reading right there.

At 12/14/12 07:03 PM, JMHX wrote:

Systems and structures maintain themselves not by being absolutely good, but by being substantially better than alternatives.

Americanism, European,Asian, Aussie, Indian etc ... lifestyles are not sustainable at all and if you need proof I suggest you consider peak Oil pricing for you "Monetary Economically" minded. Socioeconomic oppression holds back innovation and prosperity for all.

At 12/14/12 06:52 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

At 12/14/12 06:47 PM, JMHX wrote: In seriousness, can I get us to agree that the current lack of registration, mental health screening and background checking in the gun market now is a serious problem that needs to be fixed?

mental health maybe but thats a social issue that cause gun violence not guns themselves.

What a sociopathic why to mitigate responsibility of gun ownership. Gun Ownership is not an inherent "natural right" it is a "legal right" imposed and upheld by the same legal system that can legally throw you into a fema camp just under suspicion.

At 12/14/12 05:01 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

Succumbing to coercion is a choice. You have the choice of doing what the coercer wants or the choice of disobeying and facing the consequences.

You are thinking to far into the extremes. If you quite your job or mess up you income you will starve and be homeless in time simple as that. You have no choice but to work a job or create if you are so lucky to be in that position to uphold the status quo which means in essence cyclical consumption of useless China made junk that you get ripped off on each and every day.

At 12/14/12 06:32 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

you could ask any cop or service member here if they were order to fire on civilians they would disobey it. they swore to uphold the constitution and protect the people.

Oath keeping is bull shit propaganda as most Cops will "Do as they are ordered" in order to collect a "pay check" that will ensure the safety and property of there own family/Children. A Cops Oath is to his family and Children first and he needs that "Pay Check" in order to protect his family. A few Cops will disobey but not many and that's why they have a screening process for Police members so as to ensure that they will obey at any cost.

At 12/14/12 06:16 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

yeah but at heart they are good people that dont want to be treaded upon.

LOL.

They already have you will never defeat the Government/Police/Military not to mention the Hells Angels which are primary upholders of the statuesque.

fun fact 1/2 of the armed forces and police would fire on unarmed civilians WHICH IS A DOCUMENTED FACT. BUT WATCH OUT FOR DEM HELLS ANGELS!

That's unquantified wishful thinking I would say. Also it's not the HA that are the problem it's the people they control that you have to worry about.

At 12/14/12 02:20 PM, poxpower wrote:

If you ban guns, criminals will just get them illegally! And we'll be defenseless!

High power professional criminal organizations like the Hells Angels and affiliates will always have access to all kinds of firepower but you know what it's not them I am worried about no it's the armed and ignorant rednecks that I am worried about. Not saying all rednecks are armed or ignorant but many are both and it's really the armed and ignorant part I am worried about and you don't need to be a redneck to be armed and or ignorant.

If you disarm people, then the government will take over.

They already have you will never defeat the Government/Police/Military not to mention the Hells Angels which are primary upholders of the statuesque.

Funny if they guy had no access to guns this would have never happened.

At 12/14/12 01:36 PM, JMHX wrote:

At 12/14/12 01:19 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Coercion is not by choice and that is kind of the idea behind Coercion to get people to do what they do not normally choose.

You just said coercion is not a choice by defining it as the most salient (by force) of other choices.

Sigh.

What you tried to say did not make any sense.

Coercion is not by choice and that is kind of the idea behind Coercion to get people to do what they do not normally choose.

At 12/14/12 12:35 AM, RacistBassist wrote:

1. The military would not be some magically unified fighting force against the general populace
2. Guerilla tactics really put a rain on the parade of any uniform fighting force, let alone one that would be fragmented
3. You don't need that much training to be able to hit and run
4. Our gun owners VASTLY outnumber the US Military
5. The US military would just not be able to handle controlling a population our size
6. Seriously. 3 million troops tops, and that's assuming 100% of them would stick with the army in this scenario, vs the 45 million plus gun owners.

American Civilians are some of the fattest and laziest in the world. You can't put an average Xbox playing weed smoking beer slugging American in the same league as a trained and physically fit professional killer. What do you do for a living every day I bet it's not training and learning better ways of how to subdue the public and kill people.

At 12/14/12 12:13 AM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 12/13/12 08:08 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: I did it had a picture of the American flag.

I think your internet is broken.

It's the same one you got LOL.

At 12/13/12 10:06 PM, Ceratisa wrote:

At 12/13/12 10:00 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 12/13/12 09:36 PM, Revo357912 wrote:

At 12/13/12 04:46 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

sort of leveling the playing field.

sorry, but that might of been true in times of old, but now, I don't think it applies.

To level the playing field now in days every household in North America would have to have a Leopard2 Tank parked in there driveway LOL.

The Lep 2 is a four man tank. Giving everyone a RPG and training on home made bombs is much more realistic.

LOL I was purely joking about the tank. What your suggesting is futile and cannot ever work unless the mass public can train in weapons and tactics and martial arts everyday all day like the Military and specialized Police forces do. You will never win against the Military and Police forces head to head. The only way the people win is by way of using there intelligence for if an archaic physical war were to happen the general populous would get ravaged as they are not trained, they don;t have the funds, they are unorganized, and are lazy and pampered by institution. Decadent immoral western filth.

At 12/13/12 09:36 PM, Revo357912 wrote:

At 12/13/12 04:46 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

sort of leveling the playing field.

sorry, but that might of been true in times of old, but now, I don't think it applies.

To level the playing field now in days every household in North America would have to have a Leopard2 Tank parked in there driveway LOL.

At 12/13/12 04:46 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

At 12/13/12 02:11 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: "America will be a Civil war zone because most Americans are not level headed and many own guns. I don't need
guns around me or my family when in public so save your ego based non sense for the sheep cause your trying to mess with the wrong one here. I am not the enemy the enemy is the ideal that people can paint a sinking ship with weapons. Weapons I will add that are supposed to be for protection from evil corrupt Government not each other. Something needs to change and guns are not the answer."

It's only fair and safe that I have something of equal power.

sort of leveling the playing field.

You will never own anything near the level of firepower the government commands. In fact you could combine all the private owned firepower in all of North America and it would still pale in comparison to what the American War machine and Police state has command over. The only way to beat tyranny is to disarm everyone including Military's world wide.

At 12/12/12 09:08 PM, LemonCrush wrote:

At 12/10/12 03:38 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:

Less Fascist and more skinny !

Look up fascism

I did it had a picture of the American flag.

"America will be a Civil war zone because most Americans are not level headed and many own guns. I don't need
guns around me or my family when in public so save your ego based non sense for the sheep cause your trying to mess with the wrong one here. I am not the enemy the enemy is the ideal that people can paint a sinking ship with weapons. Weapons I will add that are supposed to be for protection from evil corrupt Government not each other. Something needs to change and guns are not the answer."

At 12/12/12 03:59 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 12/12/12 02:27 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Wow now only around 17.8Trillion until people are out of the hole.

Your numbers are meaningless. It's all just fiat crapsh anyway.

Not my numbers thee numbers and they represent mass failure and economic collapse. See it's inflation that is creating the illusion of sovereignty and prosperity.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

At 12/12/12 02:29 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

At 12/12/12 02:12 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: and when that fails the US just sends in the goons under false and often manufactured pretenses.

you say false pretenses we say "loopholes".

No they are completely false often completely made up.

Wow now only around 17.8Trillion until people are out of the hole.

At 12/12/12 01:23 PM, Jmayer20 wrote: There has not been any war between 2 or more first world nations for decades. (The cold war doesn't count. I am referring to a hot war.)

There are many theories as to why this is. Some say that it is because of good trade relations. Some say it is because of nukes and these countries are afraid that the war would become a nuclear war. Some say itâEUTMs because our culture has become more civilized. Some say itâEUTMs because life is better for the average person in these countries and people are to busy trying to live the good life.

So what do you think the reason or reasons are? Feel free to add a theory that I have not posted.

Because all so called first World countries understand is profit margin. Clearly they can get more fat by way of screwing smaller countries around and dealing with the devil.

At 12/12/12 01:27 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: maybe because we are civilized? we can buy and screw over developing countries for resources or services.

and when that fails the US just sends in the goons under false and often manufactured pretenses.

At 12/10/12 02:18 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

At 12/10/12 02:12 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 12/10/12 01:41 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

At 12/10/12 10:54 AM, Ceratisa wrote: To protect him from illegally smuggled guns from other countries that fall into the hands of thugs of course.

my 30 tags for thugs aren't going to fill themselves!

30 tags ?

Yeah like hunting (you need a tag from the DNR to hunt deer within season) but instead of deer its thugs. Then I take them home string them up and turn them to jerky

To be quite honest it would not surprise me if the US invented "Death Tags" in which enables you a "Free Pass" to take a human life for a price of course $10,000 enabled rich people would literally acquire a monopoly on Human lives.

At 12/10/12 01:41 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

At 12/10/12 10:54 AM, Ceratisa wrote: To protect him from illegally smuggled guns from other countries that fall into the hands of thugs of course.

my 30 tags for thugs aren't going to fill themselves!

30 tags ?

At 12/10/12 10:54 AM, Ceratisa wrote:

At 12/10/12 03:37 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 12/10/12 12:27 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: just saving up some money to buy a Remington 870.

what do you guys think?

Whats the purpose ?

To protect him from illegally smuggled guns from other countries that fall into the hands of thugs of course.

Um you guy's make it sound like America is a third world country where rag tag street gangs and 12 years old boys run the street with guns. I have never even seen a gun in public on the street in my life "30 years" unless it was strapped to an officers hip or locked down in their cruiser. Neat how that works though well with no guns on the street and all bringing with it very low gun crime.