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At 1/14/14 06:33 PM, WallofYawn wrote:

At 1/14/14 03:44 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 1/14/14 03:20 PM, WallofYawn wrote:

At 1/14/14 03:16 PM, WallofYawn wrote: Well, unlike most people in this thread I've actually read the damn thing.

It's poetic, more like a group of verses than an actual "book" perse.(comparing it to the Christian bible of course)

All mention of "infidels" or "violence" is extreme, but it is saved for god(allah), and not man.

In other words god punishes people by burning their nostrils, etc. so man shouldn't worry, as he knows god will enact vengeance upon those who do bad. Al Quaida is more about controlling people then salvation or religion. They're like the Nazis, in that they take symbols, ideas, and faith, and twist it to control, and manipulate people. They hate us because we hate them controlling and manipulating people, even though our own government controls and manipulates people.

Rather USA is about Subjugation and Oppression of people and the banks control them all Subjugators, Oppressors, and the masses alike. Al Quaida is propaganda just like other words that were thrown into your mind via mass media mind manipulation whom are once again controlled by the banks.

Y'know, it's funny cause I'm taking business law at the moment and I will say this is false. The banks CAN be a problem, but really if you let your bank fuck you over that's YOUR fault. I take it you're against banks due to the housing crisis, which they and wallstreet helped create, and I agree that whole thing was a scam, but it was a forseeable and avoidable scam.

Notice how it didn't seem to affect or hurt rich people? Is it because they are rich? No, it's because they know where and how to invest, and have the money to actually invest. Compare this to us who can't afford a good education typically, have a $8.00 job and most probably couldn't handle our own finances to save our lives.

There are things you can invest in such as 401k's and all sorts of investments and tax free income you can tap into, you just need to actually have a little income to invest.

The problem with banks and corporations/government in general is the fees and taxes. They have a fee for this, a fee for that, interest rates which rise every year. Everyone on top is taking a giant bite out of the pie, and leaving crumbs for us, who can't afford anything because most of us fall under a tax bracket which forces us to pay higher interest rates vs. say, mitt Romney who falls under a 15% bracket, because he makes more, companies charge him lower interest rates and because we have less, we get taxed to death.

What's the point of all this? The more bread you have, the less shit you gotta eat. That, my friend is the issue. I would say it's less about control, or oppressing people and all about profit. Money. America is a giant pie and all the haves are taking away the have-nots bread crumbs.

And that is how the cookie crumbles. ;)

It goes allot deeper than the Bank's but the Banking cartel scam is among the top of the heap. There are a few people that control all the strings at the very top but that's another topic all together. Could go as far to say that the history books have already been written but then that's fuel for troll's LOL.

ROTHSCHILDS BROS. OF LONDON
"Those few who can understand the system (check book money and credit) will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on it favors, that there will be little opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear it's burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."

Rothschild's created the birth of the modern day Banking cartel scam. Funny how you never hear of money maniacs, banksters and economists praise and uphold that POS family they call the Rothschilds.

Just read a good post.

"Believe whatever you want, but if you believe an omnipotent magic wizard created the universe and then transformed into a human with testicles so He could suffer on a cross because that's the only way He could grant eternal life to god-deluded buffoons who believe this ridiculous story, you're no ordinary idiot; you're are a christ-psychotic imbecile!"

By,
Jesus. F Christ

At 1/14/14 05:14 PM, lapis wrote:

At 1/14/14 04:55 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 1/14/14 04:44 PM, lapis wrote:

At 1/14/14 04:34 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 1/14/14 04:24 PM, lapis wrote: 35:36
"And for those who disbelieve (from the verb 'kafara', i.e., being a kâfir) will be the fire of Hell. [Death] is not decreed for them so they may die, nor will its torment be lightened for them. Thus do we recompense every ungrateful one."

"Their children shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes! There houses spoiled, and their wives raped...Dash the young men to pieces...have no pity on the fruit of the womb, the children shall not be spared" -- Isa 13:16-18

King James version

That's a prophecy, you dolt, and deals with what God will make the Medes do to Babylon. That should even be in the quote you claim to be giving (it's in 13:17), but I guess that it got lost in the conveniently placed dots you placed between 'raped' and 'dash'.

Look up the definition of prophecy LOL. That fact that the passage even exists in the Bible just goes to show how immoral and plain psycho the bloody thing really is.

It's just an awful comparison. The part you quoted is from one of the books of Nevi'im which are (in Christianity, but even in Judaism) nothing more than chronicles.

The Old Testament is a Christian term for a collection of religious writings by ancient Israelites. Jewish, Muslim, Christian and many other religious texts are all based on the same bullshit but use different words, dialects and languages to say in essence the same dam things. Just like how you try and use different words for the same meaning like Chronicle which in religious terms means the Old Testament/s or when you said prophecy which means what was told by God's profits and recorded in the religious scriptures. The bibles are a Chronicle and it was told by profits so the bible is in fact a chronicle written by why of prophecy.

The way you quoted it ("dash them pieces! have no pity!") makes it sound like some sort of divine commandment, similar to the "fight the kuffar that are near to you and let them find harshness in you" of verse 9:123 of the Qur'an, but it is not. It is what a specific prophet prophecised about a specific event in bronze age history. It has no meaning beyond that.

If you say so. But still weather or not it was taken out of context such evil should not even be in a scripture coined "the good book". There is much more evil in the so called good books that is not as you claim a foretold event.

Does the Bible contain contain gory stuff? Sure.

Gory is a non issue rather I have a problem with the hypocrisy, hate and just down right evil that is littered between the covers of these writings they call the good books.

Does the Bible say God does gory stuff to people?

Once again gory and evil are not the same thing's. Slaughtering a pig is gory but slaughtering a whole village or city of innocents because of chosen faith or lack thereof is down right evil and unmoral.

Naturally. Does the Bible even have gory commandments? Yes, like killing witches or stoning homosexuals and to death in the Torah. But in modern times, no one except a few deranged zealots believes that those commandments have any sort of relevance; Christians believe them to be abrogated by Christ and the New Testament, Jews believe those commandments to be nuanced to death by the exegetic discussions in the Talmud.

God sakes LOL gore is not evil. Gore is a generalized term and means nothing.

What you're trying to do is disingenuous. Give me any number of horrid quotes from the Bible, but unless you're making a relevant point it's just a red herring and I will not further respond to those. You're largely a troll anyway, so I'm sure you'll be happy with having the last word.

The Bible's are all as you say "red herring" and really when it comes down to it you can't say I am wrong because religion is based on faith not fact. Another fact is that Religion has caused more wars and death/destruction than anything else in this world so with that we can irrefutably confirm that religion causes more harm than it does good.

At 1/14/14 04:44 PM, lapis wrote:

At 1/14/14 04:34 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 1/14/14 04:24 PM, lapis wrote: 35:36
"And for those who disbelieve (from the verb 'kafara', i.e., being a kâfir) will be the fire of Hell. [Death] is not decreed for them so they may die, nor will its torment be lightened for them. Thus do we recompense every ungrateful one."

"Their children shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes! There houses spoiled, and their wives raped...Dash the young men to pieces...have no pity on the fruit of the womb, the children shall not be spared" -- Isa 13:16-18

King James version

That's a prophecy, you dolt, and deals with what God will make the Medes do to Babylon. That should even be in the quote you claim to be giving (it's in 13:17), but I guess that it got lost in the conveniently placed dots you placed between 'raped' and 'dash'.

LOL you just dug yourself a deeper hole LOL.

See, I will stir up against them the Medes,who do not care forsilver and have no delight in gold. a deeper hole LOL. 13:16-18

10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. Timothy 6:10

At 1/14/14 04:44 PM, lapis wrote:

At 1/14/14 04:34 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 1/14/14 04:24 PM, lapis wrote: 35:36
"And for those who disbelieve (from the verb 'kafara', i.e., being a kâfir) will be the fire of Hell. [Death] is not decreed for them so they may die, nor will its torment be lightened for them. Thus do we recompense every ungrateful one."

"Their children shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes! There houses spoiled, and their wives raped...Dash the young men to pieces...have no pity on the fruit of the womb, the children shall not be spared" -- Isa 13:16-18

King James version

That's a prophecy, you dolt, and deals with what God will make the Medes do to Babylon. That should even be in the quote you claim to be giving (it's in 13:17), but I guess that it got lost in the conveniently placed dots you placed between 'raped' and 'dash'.

Look up the definition of prophecy LOL. That fact that the passage even exists in the Bible just goes to show how immoral and plain psycho the bloody thing really is. The old Testament was a book of hate and fear not love and respect for ones self and for other beings etc. The King James Version is a terrible book that preaches hate, subservience, war, death, destruction and mayhem. In fact the real Christianity is just down right evil and dark. Would you like me to post the many hundreds possible 1000 s of other hate literature that plagues the old testament ?

At 1/14/14 04:24 PM, lapis wrote: 35:36
"And for those who disbelieve (from the verb 'kafara', i.e., being a kâfir) will be the fire of Hell. [Death] is not decreed for them so they may die, nor will its torment be lightened for them. Thus do we recompense every ungrateful one."

"Their children shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes! There houses spoiled, and their wives raped...Dash the young men to pieces...have no pity on the fruit of the womb, the children shall not be spared" -- Isa 13:16-18

King James version

At 1/14/14 03:20 PM, WallofYawn wrote:

At 1/14/14 03:16 PM, WallofYawn wrote: Well, unlike most people in this thread I've actually read the damn thing.

It's poetic, more like a group of verses than an actual "book" perse.(comparing it to the Christian bible of course)

All mention of "infidels" or "violence" is extreme, but it is saved for god(allah), and not man.

In other words god punishes people by burning their nostrils, etc. so man shouldn't worry, as he knows god will enact vengeance upon those who do bad. Al Quaida is more about controlling people then salvation or religion. They're like the Nazis, in that they take symbols, ideas, and faith, and twist it to control, and manipulate people. They hate us because we hate them controlling and manipulating people, even though our own government controls and manipulates people.

Rather USA is about Subjugation and Oppression of people and the banks control them all Subjugators, Oppressors, and the masses alike. Al Quaida is propaganda just like other words that were thrown into your mind via mass media mind manipulation whom are once again controlled by the banks.

At 1/12/14 06:59 PM, BrianEtrius wrote:

At 1/12/14 06:07 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: So let's go back and highlight my point in that the focus was Government in debt with Banks like the people are...

The government doesn't owe a debt to the banks. It's public debt, paid out to people (most whom happen to be in the financial industry). Nothing shady here. You want to own public debt? Go ahead! Invest in it! Not going to make a lot on the return, but it's a fairly stable interest rate.

In so many words you admit that the issuance of Federal Reserve Notes is tantamount to the issuance of debt.

Apparently I understand more about the truth than you do. You were propagandized to believe that Bankers monetary policy and in turn currency is to be honored and upheld without question just like God LOL.

So your response is: "Haha I have no idea what to say to this, I've done no research, so I must insult you."

Yeah, that flies really well.

It does make perfect sense for even the Fed uses Religion as a scape goat "In God We Trust" LOL.

Oh the Fed does not create currency Federal Reserve Notes are not currency just a derivative of nothing aka a magic piece of paper called a bond LOL.

All it means is that it is accepted by the Federal Reserve Bank as a unit of currency for a bond. And yes, technically speaking, all money is a derivative, that's what the definition of an interest rate is and his you derive them. It's because of these interests rates that people invest too.

So once again illegitimate debt based fiat currency thanks for understanding this fact. Pouring gasoline on the fire does not help anything rather it's short term gain in exchange for long term problems.

And again, you've yet to say what bad about this. All you've done is stomp your feet but you haven't said why.

Again you have really not disagree with anything I have posted here rather in your opinion an immoral system is ripe for the plucking or so it would seem.

Oh so you just replaced the word inflation with expansion how convenient LOL.

Yes, because as any economist worth their salt would know, the Philips curve says there's a trade off between inflation and unemployment., the Fed can do something about that in the short term.

Giving people a raise to offset a decreases in buying power due to inflation does not help anything as it does not increase production. Increased training and in turn production needs to scale 1:1 with inflation in order for the economy to not slide into recession or worse.

97% the value of the dollar before the fed took over in 1913.

I've heard that number before, but that's in terms of the price of gold. What you don't realize is that one of the reasons for the declining value of the dollar versus gold is well, no one uses the gold standard any more, for a wide variety of reasons I've already stated.

Well basing a currency in debt instead of something tangible is a big mistake that we will have to live through the consequences of soon enough.

The value of the dollar is just fine. Can you go out and pay for your groceries? Yes? Then the value of the currency is fine!

That's not value. That's ignorance and apathy of the masses to realize that this will all come to and end in a bad way if we don't stop the banksters.

Not how I act and I am doing fine. Timothy 6:10 "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." King James Version.

Pulling the "holier than thou" approach? For someone I thought was atheist, surely you can do better.

I am not an infidel as I believe in something of a high power and order in the universe. Some call it God but me I know it's something else call it nature if you will I don't care LOL.

Hey I don't see you getting off your computer: your computer is a form of money if you want to think about it. At least a tool of money, you can't debate that. Guess your not as holy as you thought.

Fuck buttcoin LOL. The crypyocurrency market has been molested and corrupted by the very same problems we are discussing here.

ROTHSCHILDS BROS. OF LONDON
"Those few who can understand the system (check book money and credit) will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on it favors, that there will be little opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear it burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."

Actually, if you wanted to classify me (which would be hilarious in itself) you'd shoved me with the rich elites, because if anything I myself am proof that the system works just fine. You want to understand how the market works? Study it! If you study markets, you're going to naturally take advantage of the situation. Are you going to fault academics for that?

No I fault the charlatans that started this shit. Just because you can learn some of their tricks through the very educational system they sponsor and command does not make it moral or just.

At 1/12/14 05:27 PM, BrianEtrius wrote:

Fed doesn't run a debt. It runs a balance sheet, like every other company. I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

So let's go back and highlight my point in that the focus was Government in debt with Banks like the people are...

They stopped using monetary policy as fiscal policy is what happened and handed it off to a central bank (which, is presumedly run by your smartest bankers in which you can appoint up but ultimately have not much power over the day to day stuff because hey, what the hell do you know about the economy?)

Apparently I understand more about the truth than you do. You were propagandized to believe that Bankers monetary policy and in turn currency is to be honored and upheld without question just like God LOL.

You can say it was for this reason or that that the Fed took over monetary creation and issuance

They don't create money, how many times do we have to say this? They can issue bonds to sell for cash (liquidity) and then holds on to that cash. If they want to do the opposite they buy bonds with that cash.

Oh the Fed does not create currency Federal Reserve Notes are not currency just a derivative of nothing aka a magic piece of paper called a bond LOL.

There's no create or issuance of money. Just expansion.

Oh so you just replaced the word inflation with expansion how convenient LOL.

Where are you getting that number? Devalued 97% in terms of what? What measurement are you holding that number to? Its a shady number to me.

97% the value of the dollar before the fed took over in 1913.

People get motivated by wealth. And why not? It's a great motivator. And when it's all said and done, that's how people are ultimately going to act.

Not how I act and I am doing fine. Timothy 6:10 "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." King James Version.

Stop trying to be mysterious and deep. It's not that complicated.

Guess you did not know that was a quote from some ass "ROTHSCHILD" dude. You might have heard about before.

ROTHSCHILDS BROS. OF LONDON
"Those few who can understand the system (check book money and credit) will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on it favors, that there will be little opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear it burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."

At 1/12/14 04:47 PM, BrianEtrius wrote:

At 1/12/14 03:59 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Ok so let us examine how many banks finance every country in the world. The we can dial down the issue to the Banks that issue currency and people that own/manage the currencies.

In which we realize banks/governments have effectively financed everything that has every happened in the history of the world,

Let's get one thing straight the Government is every bit in Debt with the Banks as the people it was supposed to protect. Government stopped the regulation of currency when the Fed took over in the early 1900s. You can say it was for this reason or that that the Fed took over monetary creation and issuance however since then the American Dollar has devalued over 97%. Once again whom ever has the power to control and create currency has the power to subjugate and oppress whole nations.

At 1/12/14 04:22 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

Actually, that is very much incorrect. Only the hardest of creationists and Intelligent Designers believe that every change was hand picked by God. The more common combination of religion and evolution is that evolution exists as stated, yet the seeds of it were planted by God.

You have a terrible tendency to speak of absolutes in this area and are very much off the mark. Not only has evolution not been definitively proven (though it has been close) many people believe in a more Deistic approach to a combination between cretionism and evolution.

Just because you believe you are preaching to the choir is no reason to be sloppy.

Oh God lets not go here. Educated people understand the Bible for what it is a bunch of parables and astrotheological personifications dating back to the the Zodiac.

At 1/12/14 04:24 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 1/12/14 11:38 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: Don't watch it for me watch it to enlighten you brain. Basically it outlines that a change in values must be accomplished before we can move into a higher state of being and efficiency.

Or you could spend the 3-4 minutes it would take to syntesize the video into a couple paragraphs of text, so we can all see where you're coming from.

You're the one who is misusing specific terms here. The onus is definitely upon you to rephrase yourself.

Everything has always been said better by somebody else so please listen to the original messenger instead of asking a third party to simplify things for you to pick apart LOL. I already truncated the message for you in another post but please don't ask me to server you from a silver platter LOL.

At 1/12/14 03:52 PM, orangebomb wrote:

At 1/12/14 01:14 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Let us face the music http://www.usdebtclock.org/

And what does this has to do with your point? Other countries that are less capitalist than we are in just as deep debt as we are.

Ok so let us examine how many banks finance every country in the world. The we can dial down the issue to the Banks that issue currency and people that own/manage the currencies.

At 1/12/14 03:35 PM, Razefan wrote:

If not, isn't that one of the main arguments for theistic evolution?

Religion is fucked cause it preaches faith not Science. That's not to say that the people of the Church do not enjoy the fruits of Scientific evolution every min of every day. You can see the hypocrisy of religion can't you I am sure.

At 1/12/14 12:57 PM, BrianEtrius wrote:

Here, let me summarize your arguments so far.

"Hi, I'm BrianEtrius . I use ad hominem attacks to try and argue a failed archaic system of debt based economics . I also like painting sinking ships and beating dead horses."

Let us face the music http://www.usdebtclock.org/

They used to ban all kinds of things in Nazi Germany including but not limited to unapproved religious texts. USA is a Melting Pot so in order to uphold your own constitution USA you must permit maximum freedom of speech so long as it is not hurting others or interfering with others pursuit of happiness.

At 1/12/14 11:58 AM, i-am-ghey wrote:

At 1/12/14 11:55 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: Mutation is caused by sick and diseased DNA but evolution is caused by healthy DNA that changes over time to adapt to ones environment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation#Beneficial_mutations

you need to re-take your science classes.

Just like homosexuality is a recessive gen in the gay case being a testosterone gen. They make a testosterone patch just like a nicotine patch to curb gay thoughts.

At 1/12/14 11:45 AM, i-am-ghey wrote:

mutation leads to genetic diversity. those with favorable charactersitics are more likely to survive. over time, the proportion of these species increases and those favorable traits become dominant. mutation gives rise to evolution.

Mutation is caused by sick and diseased DNA but evolution is caused by healthy DNA that changes over time to adapt to ones environment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation#Beneficial_mutations

At 1/12/14 11:29 AM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 1/11/14 11:41 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: http://www.singularityweblog.com/jacque-fresco-the-venus-project/

I'm not watching a 1.16 hour long video for you. Describe it.

Don't watch it for me watch it to enlighten you brain. Basically it outlines that a change in values must be accomplished before we can move into a higher state of being and efficiency.

At 1/12/14 11:24 AM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 1/11/14 10:38 PM, Saen wrote: Mutation accounts for less than .1% of all evolution not only because mutation is highly infrequent, but also because when mutation does occur it is negated by redundancy in the genetic code. Mutation very very rarely results in a beneficial trait, but rather is largely results in death.

Then what process causes evolution?

Evolution is quality enhancements in the genetic code over time. Mutation is caused by damaged DNA usually over and far shorter span than evolution caused by environmental variables including nuclear power plant meltdowns and depleted uranium etc.

Ban the Quran you would have to Ban the Internet.

At 1/12/14 01:45 AM, AJ wrote:

At 1/12/14 01:29 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 1/12/14 01:05 AM, AJ wrote: Shut up leanlifter.

Oh so your mind can't comprehend that Lobbying in Politics is the reality here. You need ad hominem attacks to try and stifle anyone that goes against The Fascist States of North America. Come back when you have something real.

No, lobbying in politics is absolutely a thing. I'm more than happy to talk to you about it in threads that are actually about the US.

This thread is about the US. You can't tell me that the War on Iraq was not to profit the Banks that financed the whole shot. Just like you can't tell me that Politics/War is not about making money for the Banks.

At 1/12/14 01:05 AM, AJ wrote: Shut up leanlifter.

Oh so your mind can't comprehend that Lobbying in Politics is the reality here. You need ad hominem attacks to try and stifle anyone that goes against The Fascist States of North America. Come back when you have something real.

At 1/12/14 12:14 AM, i-am-ghey wrote:

At 1/12/14 12:11 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:

Religion has been falsified. The Evolution of the Peppered Moth theory has been proven and substantiated.

you mean the whole religion has been proven wrong experimetally?

i am speechless.

Mathematically and astrologically yes it has been proven to be little more than a personification of the Stars and the Sun not Son of God. But anyway that's another topic.

At 1/12/14 12:07 AM, i-am-ghey wrote:

in my opinion, evolution can be considered a "fact" too if it has been observed directly. but others may have different definition of "fact".

i am also aware that religion is based on faith. i choose to use the word "believe" to describe the act of taking something for granted without having the ability to falsify the claim.

all in all, it depends on how things are defined from your perspective.

Religion has been falsified. The Evolution of the Peppered Moth theory has been proven and substantiated.

At 1/11/14 11:58 PM, Saen wrote:

Evolution is scientific theory I explained this in an earlier post. The problem is most people do not understand what scientific theory actually is and misuse the term.

If theory means fact then I guess you are correct.

At 1/11/14 11:42 PM, i-am-ghey wrote: No one "believes" in evolution, or any other scientific theories. You either accept the evidence or you don't. Science is not religion.

Religion is not Science nor is it even considered fact because religion is largely based on faith but Science is based on a hypothesis and then the hypothesis is proven wrong or quantified with replicable fact. No one believes in religion they just have faith that it is true. Evolution is not a theory it has been proven time and time again and is considered quantified fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth

At 1/11/14 11:13 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 1/11/14 03:53 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Oh so Mathematics is not a branch of Science ?

Seriously? You just like to throw around terms because they sound like what you want to mean without actually knowing what you're talking about...

The scientific method is a VERY SPECIFIC thing regarding the process of creating a hypothesis, testing it, observing the results, and using those results to reflect upon the hypothesis. It only has as much to do with math as the testing and reflecting requires math. It is a method of research, NOT a method of apportionment.

Try again.

http://www.singularityweblog.com/jacque-fresco-the-venus-project/

At 1/11/14 10:28 PM, Razefan wrote:

At 1/11/14 10:25 PM, Saen wrote:

At 1/11/14 09:56 PM, Razefan wrote: So many people in this thread "believe" in evolution but don't even realize it

Humans are not evolving anymore lol
No. Seriously we aren't.

Let me explain evolution really quick.

Whenever a new spawn is born he will have random mutations as a result of errors in the genetic code

these can be good, bad, or just do nothing

if its good the baby is more likely to survive and pass on the genes with the mutation. That's evolution, having random mutations that just randomly become beneficial.

This process started with wherever the first cells came from and randomly divided for millions of years until today.

The thing is that Humans aren't fighting for survival anymore. A baby can be born and be completely unfit for survival in the wild but since its a human can grow up to be a total whore and release its genes everywhere.

Human evolution isn't going to be improved because having kids is no longer based off of how well you'd survive.

Another huge misconception of evolution, mutation is not a driving or major factor of evolution. A perfect example of someone who "believes in" evolution and no clue about the actually process and driving forces of evolution.

Less than .1% of all evolution throughout all species has occurred due to mutation. Mutation is rarely responsible for the development of a new species. Evolution occurs primarily and most effectively through natural selection while smaller populations have a stronger influence from genetic drift.

Both natural selection and genetic drift occur through recombination of genes (sex) that are already present in all organisms. Recombination of genes produces the variety outside and within species we observe (i.e. humans) while natural selection determines which genes succeed to the next generation.

Humans all evolving, all species on this earth are evolving in some degree.

mu·ta·tion
myo͞oˈtāSHən/Submit
noun
1.
the action or process of mutating.
"the mutation of ethnic politics into nationalist politics"
synonyms: alteration, change, variation, modification, transformation, metamorphosis, transmutation; More
2.
the changing of the structure of a gene, resulting in a variant form that may be transmitted to subsequent generations, caused by the alteration of single base units in DNA, or the deletion, insertion, or rearrangement of larger sections of genes or chromosomes.
synonyms: alteration, change, variation, modification, transformation, metamorphosis, transmutation; More

As we have sex and offspring, they get random MUTATIONS from genetic code
the random mutations that help them survive longer

AKA natural selection get spread on

That's evolution. and that's exactly what I said in my previous post….

Mutation and evolution are not the same thing at all. Genetic Mutation is like what is happening to the new born's in the Middle East due to the spent Depleted Uranium ammunition lying around everywhere. Genetic Mutation is caused from Damaged DNA whereas Genetic Evolution is not caused by damaged DNA.

Genetic Evolution is something that is very specific and beneficial to the survival of a species for example the peppered moths coloration going from light to dark to better blend into it's surroundings and provide cover from predators.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution

At 1/11/14 09:56 PM, Razefan wrote: So many people in this thread "believe" in evolution but don't even realize it

Humans are not evolving anymore lol
No. Seriously we aren't.

Evolve - to change or develop slowly often into a better, more complex, or more advanced state
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evolve
Indeed we are evolving. Well most of us are.

Evolution - a theory that the differences between modern plants and animals are because of changes that happened by a natural process over a very long time.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evolution?show=0&t=1389495641

Evolution takes a long long long time. We can't say that the Human race is no longer evolving as none of us have been or will be around long enough to witness biological evolution.