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At 11/17/03 11:01 AM, 70TA wrote: Aw, poor baby doesn't eat meat. What a weak, pathetic, pussy. You can't get guns without meat, and you can't rely on beans or eggs for protein. So have fun with that, pussy. EAT MEAT!

I'm just gonna ingnore you from now on, okay? Have a good ehm.... well let's just call it a life.

At 11/17/03 12:32 AM, BWS wrote: So, what do you think we ought to do? What do you feel the solution is? If our youth does not know more than two lines from the national anthem, like your nation as youve just said, will that be the solution? And are you talking about patriotism?
Just throw me a bone...

If you just give the children the oppertunity to choose weither they want to be patriotic or not, you get a smarter nation with less mindless zombies.

At 11/16/03 06:47 PM, 70TA wrote: And this one is for veggiemeal, what a pussy belief in eating. You'll love this. Hey, I just got back from up north hunting on the opening weekend. Guess what, I killed a real nice 10 point buck with my .30-06. It was great. Now it's gutted and ready for the butcher. You should try venison, it's really good.

I don't give a flying fuck about what you put in your retarded mouth. Enjoy it, redneck. By eating meat you have a bigger chance of getting prostate cancer, and let's see how well you fuck your girlfriend when you're impotent.

Sorry everyone, but this guy is getting on my nerves.

At 11/16/03 06:12 PM, adrshepard wrote: BTW, can you explain why you as a people are called the Dutch, when you live in Holland which is also the Netherlands? Not being an expert in Holland history or culture I don't know these things.

Holland was the most important area in The Netherlands some time ago, it's not the official name for our country. Dutch comes from the word "Diets", wich is a dialect spoken by Germans and Dutch people in the middle ages.

At 11/16/03 09:32 PM, RedSkunk wrote: veggie meal -- I couldnt find the vegetarian crew. i gotsta join that shit. heh

Okay, you're in. Wow! Two members!

At 11/17/03 02:03 AM, punk_disease wrote: Veggiemeal, shouldn't you be more worried about commercial branwashing, aka "advertising"?

That kind of brainwashing is for commercial purposes. The kind I was talking about is political, and that seems a lot more dangerous to me.

At 11/16/03 02:11 PM, 70TA wrote:

At 11/16/03 12:41 PM, Veggiemeal wrote: Little kids in school have to pledge legiance (or how the fuck you spell it) to the flag, the same way young Germans had to say sieg heil to a portrait of Hitler or Iraqi kids had to swear loyalty to a portrait of Saddam.

Oh shut up. It's called tradition. Now this is the kinda shit I'm talking about. Some idiot has to piss and moan about our traditions. They try to get things changed to fit their needs because they don't like it, which doesn't help or prove a damn thing, besides being a goddamned idiot. If you don't like it, leave. Or in your case, don't come here. We don't change our heritgae to form around what you think is "best". That's called ruining our tradition.

So sieg-heiling to Hitler is also just tradition?

Also, in hollywood movies I always see how the children have to play the founding of the US, in which their heads get stuffed full of crap about how great and free America is, while the biggest part of the US was stolen from the Indians and the Mexicans.

What the hell are you talking about? That's how the world turns. Do you think the Romans gave a shit about who they were invading? Look at what they conquered: all of Europe, northern Africa, some of Britain and Spain at one point or another, the middle east. Do you think there was sympathy for all that? Survival of the fittest.

Yeah, and the Dutch people conquered Suriname and Dutch-India and all that stuff, but we don't make children perform in plays about that.

wiped out an entire race.

Not really.

Right, he partially wiped out a race. I guess it's ok then.

When a child has a different opinion and refuses to believe al that crap or does not want to pledge to that stupid flag

"Stupid flag"? I don't appriciate that kinda talk.

Riiiiight, Mr. big patriot starts complaining because I think it's stupid to adore a painted piece of fabric.

A kid even got sewed once for wearing a anti-war T-shirt.

Good. That's what I like to hear.

If that's true than I guess you don't believe in freedom of speech.

Hasn't anyone ever noticed how the youth in the US are being crammed full of nationalism, in a way far beyond any other western country?

Little kids in school have to pledge legiance (or how the fuck you spell it) to the flag, the same way young Germans had to say sieg heil to a portrait of Hitler or Iraqi kids had to swear loyalty to a portrait of Saddam.

Also, in hollywood movies (yes, I know this isn't a very reliable source, so if it isn't true just tell me and I'll shut up) I always see how the children have to play the founding of the US, in which their heads get stuffed full of crap about how great and free America is, while the biggest part of the US was stolen from the Indians and the Mexicans.

The children are being thought how Columbus discovered America in a very soft romantic way, and you even gave that guy a national holiday, while he wiped out an entire race.

When a child has a different opinion and refuses to believe al that crap or does not want to pledge to that stupid flag he could risk detention or other punishment. A kid even got sewed once for wearing a anti-war T-shirt.

I may not be an expert on your culture, but I do know that in the US you guys place such enormous emphasis on nationalism compared to other countries. In my country for instance, most children don't know more than two lines of the national anthem.

I want to import an mp3 file, but when i try, it says"
"one or more files could not be imported because there are problems reading them". I haven't got a clue what this could be. Anyone got any idea how to solve this?

At 6/9/03 12:37 PM, RobG096 wrote: I dont know what else to say. This is a movie/game site. I mean i think its a site for people to show off their work. But I dont understand why this is here. Any1 have any clue?

Because I can't provoke people with my vegetarinism on the programming forum.

You shouldn't try to understand. if you can't even spell politics correctly you'd better stay away from a politics forum.

Colin Powell is actually Mr. Spock!!!

At 6/3/03 10:09 AM, FUNKbrs wrote: Actually I accidentaly went into a Punk club owned by a friend of mine who plays thrash, and lo and behold I found the BIGGEST bunch of wanna-be hardass pussies ever. A bunch of guys throwing punches at the air, and when I actually try to mosh somebody, I was told that "Nobody moshes like that here" and asked to stop. PUNK 5UX0R5

Dude, of course there are losers everywhere. You've got fakers and pretenders and wannabe's in every subculture. When I look around I see kiddo's in pennywise T-shirt who haven't heard more than one song of the damn band. I also see idiots listening to good charlotte and blink 182 and call themselves punk.

Punk stands for resistance against authority and unfair wealth and being different from the stupid mass. You can be different by taking weird haircuts and wear odd clothes, but I don't like doing that so I dress like your everyday skaterboy, because I like such an outfit. Still, I like the the moshing and the punk music and I agree with what it stands for. That makes me punk without looking weird or having thirst to sensationalism. THAT is real punk, my friend.

At 6/2/03 11:37 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: yeah, right. We all know that Punk music came way before people in the military shaving their heads to keep cool during long marches. Sadly, Punk music does NOT predate Fascism. Punk only used sensationalism to promote itself, often relying on socially taboo stylings and images to create press attention. Yeah, Punks arent really racists, but theyre not true skins either.

I listen to punkrock and hardcore, and those band do NOT use ANY sensationalism. Those are all just nice and normal people playing original and way better music than that stupid mass pop crap.

Punk has nothing to do with the way you look. I call myself punk, but i look like every normal guy. You've just shown that you know absolutely nothing about punk.

At 6/3/03 09:47 AM, Shih wrote: Or maybe you just have a different, inferior moral code to those who honor the cycle of life and do eat meat.

Or maybe I am just intelligent enough not to blindly follow the cycle of life and do eat meat, eh?

At 6/2/03 03:28 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: That's someTHING, not someONE. Animals arent people, and they dont have a moral code like people do. It would be different if animals didnt ever eat people, but they do. Crocodiles, Bears, Tigers, Lions, Sharks, have been know to attack and eat humans, and most other animals have no moral compunction about hurting us. By eating meat I only continue a system of natural energy transfer that has existed since before humans climbed down from the trees. To say you are more intelligent than millions of years of evolution is arrogant and willfully ignorant of the natural life cycle.

You are saying that people are higher than animals because they have a moral code. And that's exactly what vegetarianism is: a moral code. So by not eating meat i am by your way of reasoning more human than you. Gnah!

It seems we're never really gonna solve this, but I gotta admit, you have a point. But there are other reasons why I don't eat meat, like the animals and all that stuff. I respect your opinion, so you just have to respect mine. If you want to eat meat, fine, i can't stop you. Enjoy it, because someone died for it.

At 6/1/03 03:54 PM, antiqkk wrote: Well I am alive am I not? I eat meat, bread whatever, and often don't eat vegetables for long. And believe me nothing bad happens to me after two weeks of not eating vegetables (please don't say "but you ARE eating more than just meat", because any person who is a regular meat consumer, also eats bread, eggs and drinks milk. Your posts are mainly targeted against the meat part of the whole diet).
Then again, why should the government only oblige the meat industries to pay. You are playing fair only to your side of the game, which is you stll won't pay more, because you don't eat meat! You are willing to help the starving, but not at your own cost, just like millions of others. As I previously stated in one of my posts, I would cut back on my diet 10% or more per cent, if only I knew this was somehow planned out to really help the poor. I will NOT, on the other hand, cut down just because a bunch of angry vegetarians are telling me that grain, which could have been used to feed the poor, is wasted on rearing my cows and pigs. Because, this grain would NOT have been used to feed the poor. This grain would simply not be produced at all. Therefore, your argument would remain the same today, even if we consumed 50% less meat. The grain supplied would only be suffiecient to produce those 50% less of meat that is in demand. And you would come to me and say I am bad because if I cut down 20% further on my meat diet, the grain that is used to produce it could have been used to feed the poor etc etc and so on and son on.
Unless, the system somehow organises itself for equal distribution of all food at a higher price (extra money collected of course going to the poor, and not anything else) then do not come and accuse me of being the cause of people starving in the world, because I like my steak. Hell, I could tell you that if you stop consuming 50% of your grain you could feed 60 million people. Your argument (angry vegetarians generally) is not realistic and not acceptable in the logic of this this system.

Man, stop telling me i'm only for higher prices because i'm veggie. We've been through that. And I AM going to say you are eating more than just meat, because if you wouldn't you WOULD die. Every idiot knows that eating nothing but meat is lethal. So your previous argument is still crap.

And yes, higher prices wouldn't work in the current system, but LIKE I ALREADY FUCKING TOLD YOU we have to change the system. Stop repeating will ya?

At 6/1/03 03:11 PM, antiqkk wrote: We are omnivores, as such we like eating both meat and vegetables. However, you point out that meat is a luxury to us. Why are not the vegetables? Thousands of people could survive without them easily. Eat their steak every day, drink some artificial vitamins and you're set.
So let's say that the government imposes a tax on every single product, I am sure most of the people won't be happy with it. Even you won't be happy paying the double amount for your veggieburger. There will be strikes and protests everywhere, because people tend to concentrate on their own position rather than the condition of those starving.
Noe, will the government really use the tax revenue to buy food for the starving third world countries instead of spending it on their intelligence and weapons and such crap in pursuit of domination (off subject kinda but still relevant in a way).
The point here is not of the country being filthy rich and helping others, which can be already done on a constant basis, but will you sacrifice a part of your hard earned income on something, which you can't be sure of working out successfully.

A lot of vitamins you can't get from artificial stuff really. If you have a meat-only diet you'd die in two weeks. So that's all crap. But you're absolutley right when you say the government probably wouldn't give that money to the poor countries. Therefore, it should not be the government deciding what happens to that extra money, but an independent non commercial organisation. The government should only oblige the meat inustries to pay a certain amount of money to that organisation. Sure, the chance that this would ever happen is eeny weeny small, but hey, it's always nice to discuss.

At 6/1/03 02:48 PM, Slizor wrote: So you would support not giving fat people treatment? Or alcoholics? Or people who get skin cancer, or lung cancer? They all(or most of them atleast) knew the consequences of their actions. What if the person was ignorant of the consequences?

I really can't feel much pity for the people who smoked and got lung cancer. They chose to smoke, and they get warnings all over the place, on tv, in magazines, even on the darn packages. So don't say you didn't know and start crying and demand millions from the tobacco companies. You've only got yourself to blame. Same thing for alcoholics and fat people.

At 6/1/03 12:59 PM, cannibal7878 wrote:

Sad that you would prolong your daddy's life with cancer, I would euthanize my dad, to relieve him of pain.

Well, that depends on what my dad would think is best. And the pains of cancer are most of the time bearable enought to live through. But if my dad wanted to die, I would let him.

At 6/1/03 01:43 PM, antiqkk wrote: You are drifting away from the point here. Fuel is taxed, that is why the price is high. The revenue is used by the government for subsidies and government spending and welfare here and there.
You are saying that meat should be taxed because you personally don't eat it. Well, what I'm saying is that why not tax everything then. I will tax your vegetables too, you know. You will pay a higher price too for your meal.
You are so pro high prices for meat simply because you eat it and the point you are trying to make here is far from the point I made previously. You are basing your post on your own selfish assumption of other, not you eating that meat, thus you won't have to suffer a high price in case it goes up. Bear in mind also, that when a tax is imposed by the government, both consumers and producers share the tax incidence and thus, the revenue for producers goes down as well, decreasing profits and decreasing the supply.

Dude, you are accusing me of being pro-price raise just because i'm veggie. Of course, I can't denie that's partially true. It would make no difference for me. But there are other reasons why I think meat could be more expensive. Meat is a luxury article. You can survive with less, or even without meat. And with the extra money you can feed the poor countries. Sure, it might not be the best thing to do for the economy, but we are rich enough already compared to other country's.

At 6/1/03 12:36 PM, cannibal7878 wrote: Sure it "may be good" for the environment to recycle...but we smoke, polluting the air, oil refineries pollute the air, we are hacking down the trees in the rainforest, killing off massive amounts of species, overpopulating the world...this planet is a fucking time bomb! *takes a drink* Yeah, wow, have you actually seen the garbage heaps? And have you seen the recycling plants? All the pollution they produce? Sounds kinda contradictory to me. Let me put it to you like this, if your daddy had severe case of cancer, and the doctors all know he is gonna die anyways, would you want to prolong his suffering with chemotherapy? Sure it might prolong his life a few months, hell maybe even a few years, but you know deep down that he's gonna die anyways, and all the treatments just make him more sick...The world is here, it has been infected with a "cancer", sure we recycle, giving it "chemotherapy" knowing deep down that it is gonna perish anyways, we know we only prolong it's pain, and suffering. We extract oil from the earth till it's bone dry, this is the life blood of the earth, look be realistic, why would you help what is already dying? Might as well put it out of it's misery, why make it suffer more?

Whye prolong the earths life because we live on it. The earth itself is not a living thing, and is therefore not suffering, so don't give me any "putting out of it's misery"-crap. Sure, the world is a bit fucked up, but I still love the world, and I still love life. And I am willing to recycle, use both sides of paper (even toilet paper hahahahahaha), be a vegetarian and so on. The world will one day be destroyed, either by a meteorite or something like that, or by our pollution. But we just have to make the best of it, and maybe one day, we might even stop polluting. You just gotta keep up hope. If my dad would have cancer, i'd give him chemotherapy, so he would live longer, and maybe because of some kind of miracle he would cure. That's called optimism.

At 6/1/03 12:15 PM, cannibal7878 wrote:

I was talking about recycling...sure I did mention a little about the planet dying, but I was affirming that A. Recycling isn't gonna save it...B. Why save that which is already dying...So, in keeping with the topic, and please let us stay on topic, please explain why or why not recycle...Can you all do that?

Okay, why recycle? Because it's better for the environment. DUH! Less garbage, less air pollution. Not very diffecult, eh? But the real question i believe was, why recycle if the planet is already doomed anyway right? Well, I don't really think the planet is dying. Sure, we are fucking it up, but it's not too late yet. And if we stop recycling because "it's dying anyway" than it will certainly die. You are just too pessimistic.

At 6/1/03 09:56 AM, SpEeDFiReSrFr wrote: Look, if you don't love America, here's the deal. I will buy you all one way tickets to France, Germany, or whatever hippie-infested nation you want to go to. Once you realize how fucked up their governments are compared to us, you will want to come back.

Dude, that's the biggest crap load of filthy pro-american facistic unclesammy bullshit i've ever read (well, i've probably read worse stuff, but hey, i need to call it something). If you live in a country where the ruling government didn't even get the majority of the votes, where there is corruption all over the fucking place and where your government just goes to war whenever it pleases, you have absolutely no right to call the European governments fucked up. At least our governments are the ones the majority has voted for. Go to the bathroom and jack off with a Captain America picture, stupid Yank!

Uhm, that had to be: I could tell you why the planet is NOT doomed. But this is such a stupid topic i'm not going to waste my time on it explaining. Just think for yourself.

I could tell you why the planet is doomed. But this is such a stupid topic i'm not going to waste my time on it explaining. Just think for yourself.

At 5/31/03 10:23 PM, antiqkk wrote: But I am sure and correct me if I am wrong, hardly anyone will agree to pay higher prices for their meal.

People also don't like to pay higher prices for their gas, but if they have to, it doesn't stop them from driving a car. But some do drive less because of higher prices. So if you raise the meat prices (which is perfectly fine with me, since i'm veggie and i think it's fair too) people will eat less meat, and you have some extra money to give to the starvin marvins out there. Sure, some people will protest, but some people always do. Of course our lame ass governments are too afraid to do such a thing. Especially the donkey-brained conservative <cough>Bush<cough> governments out there.

At 5/27/03 08:48 AM, D2KVirus wrote:

At 5/27/03 08:37 AM, Veggiemeal wrote: I'd say it's Germany! They make the best beer ever!

HERESY!!! It's the Czech Republic that are the Supreme Beer Makers!!!

You have a point, the Czech beer is good too. But i don't know if it overpowers the Germans...

Dude, racism still existst, it has always excisted, and it will keep excisting. Get over it. It's just in our nature to do such things.

I'd say it's Germany! They make the best beer ever!