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How about not saying the damn pledge at all. It's sick.

At 12/18/03 08:57 PM, Dagodevas wrote: I don’t see how any of this justifies violence and terrorism. Doesn’t anyone believe in non-violent protest anymore or getting involved in politics? The only way ELF confronts their problems is with violence. Their “quest to protect the planet” is just an excuse for them to threaten other people and destroy their businesses that they’ve worked so hard to construct.

Well, after 9-11 the US reacted with violence and that seemed OK, so why can't these people react with violence against inhuman cruelty towards animals? You can non-violent protest all you want, but the government does not listen to it, and the media doesn't find it interesting enough to cover it. Getting into politics? Pfah, the people don't see the environment problem as a direct threat, so they don't vote for it. And those poor people with their "businesses that they’ve worked so hard to construct" are assholes and deserve nothing less for what they are doing to innocent animals. I hope they burn in hell.

At 12/20/03 02:41 PM, Oyster_Clock wrote: Im sick of you fucking homophobes!!!!!!!!!! Just because some one has a mental illness you say they should'nt be able to marry. And you can't say that my mental illness theroy is bullshit because I have facts to back me up as you don't have eny and you would'nt know unless you are indeed, a gay man.

Dude, what the hell? You're saying you are mentally ill when you like someone the same sex as you? Gay people are just as normal as you and me, they just have different sexual preferences. Who's the fucking homophobe here?

George Dubya Bush, your friend and mine, and known for being against abortion and for violating constitutional rights has found a way to combine those two:

Since Dubya can't outlaw abortion in his own country, since it's against the constitution, he just go's on and tries to get it outlawed in Africa. How? Well, first of all, he cut of all fundings given to African hospitals that give abortions to women who really need one, because they already have a gazillion children to feed. Second he imitates his good friend the pope, by sending people to Africa to preach on how evil abortion and birth control is. and the christian people in Africa even believe that shit. Consequenses: Even higher populations and more poverty in already dirt poor country's. Why? Because God seems to like it that way.

So basically, what Bush is thinking: I can't violate the constitution here, so let's do it in Africa. Clever thinking. I'm sure God is grateful.

At 12/20/03 07:50 PM, heyitsjohn wrote: not that i'm advocating going to war with everyone else (im no republican), just saying how kick ass america's army is.

Yeah, and because of that, you don't have a social system in your dumbass country.

At 12/21/03 12:05 AM, Forgat wrote: What does Sadam's capture actually mean? To me, all it means is that the US-led coalition army bravely captured a bearded old man who was viciously armed with a suitcase filled with $750,000.

Hey, he had a gun too!

But seriously, it could work two ways: His followers could get pissed off and get even more violent, like you said. Or they lose their spirit because of the capture and humiliation of their leader, and quit. But that only goes for the saddam-terrorists in Iraq. A major part of the attacks is led by terrorists from abroad. So the attacks won't stop with this.

At 12/19/03 05:13 PM, Eskimo_Joe wrote: P.S. Good Charlotte rules!

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Sure, but who gets to decide who's a rabid dog? You? Or perhaps a jury, made out of some angry town people?

I doubt you would have reacted the same way if the cartoon was about Howard Dean.

At 12/19/03 12:51 PM, IceWraith15 wrote:

NO IT ISN'T!! Remember Afghanistan? It was an Anarchy, and a brutal group of terrorists took over without any resistance from an organized government! All you Anarchists who write these dumbass posts preaching about how government is evil don't know any more about REAL politics, then you do about FORNICATING. You should all live in an Anarchist country and see how oppressive an poverty stricken it truly is.

YOU should learn about politics before bashing someone with stupid stuff. In Aghanistan they had something called a dictatorship. That's a supressing, undemocratic form of a GOVERNMENT, so that is NOT an anarchy.

You know what anarchy really is? It's an excuse for stupid Good Charlotte-listening kids to draw A's on evertything because it looks so cool.

Well, what argument is there really for the death penalty, apart from that you have your nice bloodthirsty revenge?

At 12/19/03 10:32 AM, NEMESiSZ wrote:

You mean the country every administration has deemed a threat since 1990?

Every American administration and perhaps some buttkissers. Just because the US government says it's a threat doesn't mean it actually is.

:The country whose leader's removal was made policy by President Clinton in 1998?

I rest my case.

:The country which tried to assassinate not one but two US Presidents?

Well, what would you do, if someone tried to kill YOU? Wouldn't you try to kill your killer?

You're right, Iraq was no threat, and Bush was clearly the only one who felt it was.

Oh, he didn't either. He just said it was, and enough moronic Yanks (let's not give away any names) believed him.

Fun fact: Yesterday I was watching CNN for an hour or so, and all I saw was Saddam's medical check over and over again, and some Iraqi's who were cheering and shooting in the air.
Then I watch a Dutch news program, and see, apart from Saddam's medial check and some cheering Iraqi's a lot of Iraqi men, women and children saying they love Saddam and shouting he should be set free and they will give their hearts and souls for him, and so on. For some reason, CNN did not think this was interesting enough to broadcast.

So much for America's freedom of press...

jay! I'm not banned anymore!

I've managed to make a sketch of what the guy looks like:

At 12/3/03 10:20 AM, Peter90688 wrote: Hey. Most of the people who criticize America and its government, almost NEVER come up with a solution! All they do is complain, yet no they never say what would be the better way to do it! That isnt intelligent comments, thats just jibba jabba, foo!

Yeah, but the only thing you're doing is saying how great the US is. That's not very intelligent either huh?

If you aren't able to criticize your country then you don't have freedom of speech and that means your country sucks. You can say all you want about the greatness of the US, but if the US wouldn't tolerate people who think differently, it wouldn't be that great, now would it?

There. Intelligent enough for ya?

At 12/3/03 10:10 AM, Damien3003 wrote: I'm like walking irony here...i stand against gays, and stand up for gay rights. :)

Why do you stand against gays? Lots of people say its unnatural, but do you know animals can be gay too? And how can someone be gay if not by natural causes? Do you think society makes them gay? I'd be more urged to say the opposite.

At 12/2/03 10:26 PM, heyitsjohn wrote: burning a pic of the president, in protest, should not be a crime. read my posts from before for defenses of not burning the flag. i see your point with the soiled flag burning, 'cause old flags, beat up, dirty flags are burnt. i still say it defiles your credibility and makes you a hippocrit to burn a flag, again, it is the people in charge who are destroying our fundamental rights as americans, not the flag. *also* burning a pic of bush is different that taking a shot at him, or even saying you will take a shot at him or something along those lines.

You are a hippocrite when you want to punish someone for burning the flag. I mean, you say you love the freedom that the flag stands for, but the next moment you put someone in jail for practising his freedom of speech by burning that flag. Now them's hippocrite.

By the way, you shouldn't burn a picture of Bush, you should whipe your ass with it. But make sure the ink is dry before you start whiping, or you'll have a picture of bush on your ass for a few days.

I would not be to sure about Bush losing the elections. It depends on the stupidity of the American people. I mean, he doesn't have much support right now with Iraq and everything, but when he pulls back the troops before the elections he can say "I've liberated them from Saddam, and you all said we had to send our troops home, so I've done what you wanted" and the people of the US might be stupid enough to believe him and get that primate re-elected. Or he just steals the elections again, like he did last time.

At 11/20/03 02:19 PM, diazepim wrote: Kill them dead.

You should be a writer.

I love this guy so much that I'm dedicating this topic to him. Join me and tell me your favourite quote from this rare specimen.

Mine is:

"Aw, poor baby doesn't eat meat. What a weak, pathetic, pussy. You can't get guns without meat, and you can't rely on beans or eggs for protein. So have fun with that, pussy. EAT MEAT!"

At 12/1/03 11:30 AM, 70TA wrote: Well, dumbass, look at what they say.

Well, there's lots of Americans hear, and they all have different things to say. Some smart, some stupid.

Let's play beat the shit out of people named Veggiemeal.

Nah, let's beat his parents instead, for stealing my nickname and using it on their son.

What? You piece of shit? No, I'm worth more than you, you die instead.

Sure, nutcases like you are very valuable for scientific research.

At 12/2/03 02:10 PM, 70TA wrote: Newsflash dipshit, it isn't 1990 anymore!

Wow, I'm impressed you managed to figure that one out on your own.

At 12/2/03 01:35 PM, Lyddiechu wrote: Really man, there is nothing wrong with nationalism, just the way you are doing it.

Depends on how strong it is, I think.

At 12/1/03 01:38 PM, 70TA wrote: YOU WILL BURN IN HELL for burning the flag. What kind of question is that? Are you that stupid that you can't figure it out? Yeah, you are.

I fucking love this guy! He's hilarious! They should make a cartoon about him!

Okay, but seriously: You think you will burn in hell for burning a flag. So I take it you believe in God. Well, don't you think God believes in freedom of speech? You think God is going to send you to hell for expressing your opinion? If the Christian God is like that I'm glad I'm an Atheïst.

Besides, Burning the flag does not break any of the ten commandments. In fact, when you worship a flag like a god you do break one of them! Doesn't one of the ten commandments say you shouldn't worship a statue or stuff like that? So let's be good Christians and burn that stupid flag!

And now 70TA, start calling me names and stuff! I love it when you do that!

At 11/30/03 10:34 PM, Jimsween wrote: Unembarassing stuff is stuff that makes you interesting/cool.

I think our drugs policy makes our country very, very cool.

I think Stalin. Statistically, he killed more people than Hitler, and at least Hitler did some good things for his country's economy while Stalin completely messed up his. Sure, we owe a major part of our liberation in WO II to Stalin, but I can't say the situation improved much for the countries that felt under Sovjet control after WO II.

At 11/30/03 01:14 PM, Chaoslight wrote: Also, why is it that the United States iw the only first world country in which the capital city qualifies as Third World?

Same reason why in the US a pizza can reach you faster than an ambulance: It's a stupid country.

Like every one else has said: populair rap is stupid and is all about money and has nothing to do with music (like all other pop music actually). Just look at the clips: All you see is some black people, overloaded with gold, telling how great their sex life is, while slapping naked women on the butt.

Underground rap, like atmosphere or looptroop is real stuff (Fun fact: The only reason I even know those artists is only because I am a punkrocker, since those artists are found on the latest punk-o-rama album. Ironic isn't it?). Sometimes I even like it.

I agree, that's all I can say. Especially regarding the American millitary budget. It's bigger than those of Brittain, France and Germany combined.